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##(see the SpecSpec for an explanation) == Realtime ==
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''Please check the status of this specification in Launchpad before editing it. If it is Approved, contact the Assignee or another knowledgeable person before making changes.'' '''Basic introduction is available at:'''<<BR>>
[[https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel]]
<<BR>><<BR>>
For a more in-depth look at kernels, please see:
[[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev]] <<BR>><<BR>>
'''News:''' <<BR>>
The -preempt and -rt kernels are no longer being developed due to lack of support. Focus has instead turned to the -lowlatency and -realtime kernels, particularly for the the release of Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal. The long-term goal is to have -lowlatency in the official Ubuntu repositories, while maintaining -realtime in a dedicated PPA.<<BR>><<BR>>
As of this writing, there are no alternative kernels (including -realtime and -lowlatency) available for Maverick Meerkat in either the official repositories or any Ubuntu Studio recommended repositories (such as that maintained by [[LaunchpadHome:abogani|Alessio Igor Bogani]]). It is recommended that you use the default -generic kernel with Maverick.
<<BR>><<BR>>If you wish to see work continued on -preempt or -rt, you are encouraged to volunteer. To do so, join the Ubuntu Studio Developers e-mail list (see [[http://ubuntustudio.org/|Ubuntu Studio]]).
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## * '''Launchpad entry''': https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/realtime
 * '''Created''': [[Date(2007-01-09T17:28:06Z)]] by AlessioIgorBogani
 * '''Contributors''': AlessioIgorBogani
 * '''Packages affected''': linux-source-2.6.20
'''Make-up of the team and roles officially assigned:'''
||<-7 #cccccc :> '''Kernel Responsibility Matrix''' ||
||<#eeeeee> '''Kernels''' ||<#eeeeee> '''Code & Packaging''' ||<#eeeeee> '''Upstream Relations''' ||<#eeeeee> '''Bug Triage''' ||<#eeeeee> '''Kernel/DKMS External Driver Upload''' ||<#eeeeee> '''Testing''' ||<#eeeeee> '''Video Driver Testing''' ||
||<#eeeeee> '''Lucid -realtime i386''' ||<#FFFFCC> none ||<#FFFFCC> none ||<#FFFFCC> none ||<#FFFFCC> none ||<#CCFFCC> Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen/Erik Rasmussen/Brian David ||<#CCFFCC> Brian David(fglrx)/Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia) (nvidia) ||
||<#eeeeee> '''Lucid -realtime amd64''' ||<#FFFFCC> none ||<#CCFFCC> Tim Cook ||<#FFFFCC> none ||<#FFFFCC> none ||<#CCFFCC> Laurent Bellegarde/Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen ||<#CCFFCC> holstein(nvidia) / Laurent Bellegarde(fglrx)/Jeremy Jongepier (nvidia)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia) ||
||<#eeeeee> '''Natty -lowlatency i386''' ||<#CCFFCC> Luke Yelavich / Scott Lavender / Ronan Jouchet ||<#CCFFCC> Scott Lavender ||<#CCFFCC> Scott Lavender / Ronan Jouchet ||<#CCFFCC> Luke Yelavich ||<#CCFFCC> Scott Lavender / Ronan Jouchet/Asmo Koskinen/Brian David ||<#CCFFCC> Ronan Jouchet (fglrx), Luke Yelavich (NVIDIA)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia)/Brian David (fglrx)/ ailo(nvidia) ||
||<#eeeeee> '''Natty -lowlatency amd64''' ||<#CCFFCC> Luke Yelavich / Janne Jokitalo ||<#CCFFCC> Janne Jokitalo ||<#CCFFCC> Janne Jokitalo ||<#CCFFCC> Luke Yelavich ||<#CCFFCC> Janne Jokitalo/Asmo Koskinen ||<#CCFFCC> Luke Yelavich (NVIDIA)/ Janne Jokitalo (NVIDIA)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia)/ ailo(nvidia) ||
||<#eeeeee> '''Natty -realtime i386''' ||<#CCFFCC> Alessio Igor Bogani ||<#CCFFCC> Alessio Igor Bogani ||<#CCFFCC> Alessio Igor Bogani ||<#FFFFCC> none ||<#CCFFCC> Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen/Erik Rasmussen/Brian David ||<#CCFFCC> Jeremy Jongepier (nvidia)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia)/Brian David (fglrx)/ ailo(nvidia) ||
||<#eeeeee> '''Natty -realtime amd64''' ||<#CCFFCC> Alessio Igor Bogani ||<#CCFFCC> Alessio Igor Bogani ||<#CCFFCC> Alessio Igor Bogani ||<#FFFFCC> none ||<#CCFFCC> Tim Cook/Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen ||<#CCFFCC> holstein(nvidia)/Jeremy Jongepier (nvidia)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia)/ ailo(nvidia)||
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== Summary == '''Work in progress:''' <<BR>>
Nvidia on -realtime kernel at Alessio's PPA: testers? <<BR>>
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This specification details the plan to add hard real time support in Ubuntu.
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== Rationale == '''Known issues:''' <<BR>>
Missing a decent FAQ section <<BR>>
Firewire audio devices: again volunteers? --
<<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--[[LaunchpadHome:autostatic]] (Jeremy Jongepier): I'm willing to volunteer, I'm using several FireWire soundcards on a daily basis.
<<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--[[LaunchpadHome:beejunk]] (Brian David): I also use firewire devices and can help here. As usual, mostly with testing.
<<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--[[LaunchpadHome:rlameiro]] (Ricardo Lameiro): I can help on testing too. I have a Edirol FA-101. Also I can try to speak directly with FFADO devs if needed.<<BR>>
<<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;--[[LaunchpadHome:asmok]] (Asmo Koskinen): I can help on testing. I have an Echo AudioFire4.<<BR>>
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In some contexts (i.e. industrial automation, robotics and telco) the low-latency support is insufficient. In order to push Ubuntu in these contexts is necessary the support for high resolution timers and the full preemption in the Linux kernel. These features have been implemented by Thomas Gleixner and Ingo Molnar (http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/). '''FAQ:''' <<BR>>
Q: What is the difference between an -rt kernel and a -realtime kernel?
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We want also a valid FLOSS alternative to SLERT (http://www.novell.com/products/realtime/). A: From a technical point of view, -rt and -realtime are the same kernel. They are both based on the PREEMPT_RT patchset, although the version may be different. The main difference is that the -rt kernel should be based on the Ubuntu source tree (and therefore can use the same features, patches, enabled hardware, security fixes and so on) and should offer the same services that the Ubuntu default -generic kernel offers. For example, it should be compatible with closed video drivers (nvidia and fglrx), any external DKMS drivers, and have available backport packages. The goal of an -rt kernel is to obtain a real time variant of the Ubuntu kernel that is aligned with the -generic kernel.
<<BR>><<BR>>
On the other hand, the -realtime kernel is a PREEMPT_RT patched kernel based on the vanilla source tree (not the Ubuntu source). This kernel will be missing Ubuntu specific code, patches or security fixes and it isn't guaranteed to be compatible with any external software (low level utilities, DKMS drivers and so on). It does not use the same Linux kernel version as the -generic kernel, and so these two kernels are not aligned. It is a working, upstream real-time kernel that is being used on Ubuntu. No more no less.
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== Use cases == {{{#!wiki comment
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Alex is developing an application software (SCADA type) for a customer and he would be very happy to use Linux and Ubuntu for the deployment. -lowlatency == -generic + more aggressive low latency kernel configuration
It can offers all things that Ubuntu offer with -generic so -backport
modules, video closed drivers and so on. It is very solid and oriented
to "soft" users. Trade-off between low latency and power consumption.
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== Scope == In less words: if you need of closed video drivers, external DKMS
kernel modules, linux-backports-* you should probably start to use
-lowlatency (when it will be available through Ubuntu repos). Instead
if you really need of an real-time system you should avoid all above
or trying to make those working alone.
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This specification cover the linux kernel in Ubuntu.
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== Design == To put it simply: -lowlatency all the way! It delivers impressive
results for maintenance requirements way lower than -realtime (or -rt
even more), meaning less work for maintainers and new kernel candy for
users.
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== Implementation == Life is a trade-off: someone want a very hard real-time system without
adopt other hardware architectures than pc (MCU, FPGA/ASIC, and so
on), others want use normal and cheap pc, others want use also
accelerated drivers also, others want a real-system which take care of
they laptop's batteries too. And at the end we have limited
resources(*) for give an answer on these needs (we are all
volunteers).
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We hope to add a linux-image-realtime package in universe repositary (the same place of the linux-image-lowlatency package). }}}
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=== Code ===
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=== Data preservation and migration === === Ancient stuff ===
These wiki pages covers hard real time support in Ubuntu.
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== Unresolved issues == [[RealTime/Feisty|RealTime Feisty]] <<BR>>
[[RealTime/Gutsy|RealTime Gutsy]] <<BR>>
[[RealTime/Hardy|RealTime Hardy]] <<BR>>
[[RealTime/Intrepid|RealTime Intrepid]] <<BR>>
[[RealTime/Jaunty|RealTime Jaunty]] <<BR>>
[[RealTime/Karmic|RealTime Karmic]] <<BR>>
[[RealTime/Lucid|RealTime Lucid]]
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== BoF agenda and discussion ==

----
CategorySpec CategorySpec
The RT kernel is still around! If you can help by describing it's current state, please do so. In the mean time see the official [[http://rt.wiki.kernel.org|rt.wiki.kernel.org]] and the [[http://ubuntustudio.org/|Ubuntu Studio]] team for more information.

Realtime

Basic introduction is available at:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel

For a more in-depth look at kernels, please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev

News:
The -preempt and -rt kernels are no longer being developed due to lack of support. Focus has instead turned to the -lowlatency and -realtime kernels, particularly for the the release of Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal. The long-term goal is to have -lowlatency in the official Ubuntu repositories, while maintaining -realtime in a dedicated PPA.

As of this writing, there are no alternative kernels (including -realtime and -lowlatency) available for Maverick Meerkat in either the official repositories or any Ubuntu Studio recommended repositories (such as that maintained by Alessio Igor Bogani). It is recommended that you use the default -generic kernel with Maverick.

If you wish to see work continued on -preempt or -rt, you are encouraged to volunteer. To do so, join the Ubuntu Studio Developers e-mail list (see Ubuntu Studio).

Make-up of the team and roles officially assigned:

Kernel Responsibility Matrix

Kernels

Code & Packaging

Upstream Relations

Bug Triage

Kernel/DKMS External Driver Upload

Testing

Video Driver Testing

Lucid -realtime i386

none

none

none

none

Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen/Erik Rasmussen/Brian David

Brian David(fglrx)/Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia) (nvidia)

Lucid -realtime amd64

none

Tim Cook

none

none

Laurent Bellegarde/Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen

holstein(nvidia) / Laurent Bellegarde(fglrx)/Jeremy Jongepier (nvidia)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia)

Natty -lowlatency i386

Luke Yelavich / Scott Lavender / Ronan Jouchet

Scott Lavender

Scott Lavender / Ronan Jouchet

Luke Yelavich

Scott Lavender / Ronan Jouchet/Asmo Koskinen/Brian David

Ronan Jouchet (fglrx), Luke Yelavich (NVIDIA)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia)/Brian David (fglrx)/ ailo(nvidia)

Natty -lowlatency amd64

Luke Yelavich / Janne Jokitalo

Janne Jokitalo

Janne Jokitalo

Luke Yelavich

Janne Jokitalo/Asmo Koskinen

Luke Yelavich (NVIDIA)/ Janne Jokitalo (NVIDIA)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia)/ ailo(nvidia)

Natty -realtime i386

Alessio Igor Bogani

Alessio Igor Bogani

Alessio Igor Bogani

none

Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen/Erik Rasmussen/Brian David

Jeremy Jongepier (nvidia)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia)/Brian David (fglrx)/ ailo(nvidia)

Natty -realtime amd64

Alessio Igor Bogani

Alessio Igor Bogani

Alessio Igor Bogani

none

Tim Cook/Jeremy Jongepier/Asmo Koskinen

holstein(nvidia)/Jeremy Jongepier (nvidia)/Asmo Koskinen (nvidia)/ ailo(nvidia)

Work in progress:
Nvidia on -realtime kernel at Alessio's PPA: testers?

Known issues:
Missing a decent FAQ section
Firewire audio devices: again volunteers? --
    --autostatic (Jeremy Jongepier): I'm willing to volunteer, I'm using several FireWire soundcards on a daily basis.
    --beejunk (Brian David): I also use firewire devices and can help here. As usual, mostly with testing.
    --rlameiro (Ricardo Lameiro): I can help on testing too. I have a Edirol FA-101. Also I can try to speak directly with FFADO devs if needed.

    --asmok (Asmo Koskinen): I can help on testing. I have an Echo AudioFire4.

FAQ:
Q: What is the difference between an -rt kernel and a -realtime kernel?

A: From a technical point of view, -rt and -realtime are the same kernel. They are both based on the PREEMPT_RT patchset, although the version may be different. The main difference is that the -rt kernel should be based on the Ubuntu source tree (and therefore can use the same features, patches, enabled hardware, security fixes and so on) and should offer the same services that the Ubuntu default -generic kernel offers. For example, it should be compatible with closed video drivers (nvidia and fglrx), any external DKMS drivers, and have available backport packages. The goal of an -rt kernel is to obtain a real time variant of the Ubuntu kernel that is aligned with the -generic kernel.

On the other hand, the -realtime kernel is a PREEMPT_RT patched kernel based on the vanilla source tree (not the Ubuntu source). This kernel will be missing Ubuntu specific code, patches or security fixes and it isn't guaranteed to be compatible with any external software (low level utilities, DKMS drivers and so on). It does not use the same Linux kernel version as the -generic kernel, and so these two kernels are not aligned. It is a working, upstream real-time kernel that is being used on Ubuntu. No more no less.

Ancient stuff

These wiki pages covers hard real time support in Ubuntu.

RealTime Feisty
RealTime Gutsy
RealTime Hardy
RealTime Intrepid
RealTime Jaunty
RealTime Karmic
RealTime Lucid

The RT kernel is still around! If you can help by describing it's current state, please do so. In the mean time see the official rt.wiki.kernel.org and the Ubuntu Studio team for more information.

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