18:02:52 johnmark: howdidly...
18:03:11 Joe_CoT: hola!
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18:03:16 johnmark: hola!
18:03:24 SevenIron: Yeah, I got mIRC, too!
18:03:27 SevenIron: Heh heh
18:03:28 Pici: I was expecting a few more people to be here
18:03:46 johnmark: well, it's more than last week
18:04:08 johnmark: I'll give people a couple of minutes... but I don't have long today, so I'll have to be brief
18:04:20 Joe_CoT: oh, right. irc meeting. hmm
18:04:24 johnmark: ha
18:04:44 johnmark: yeah, it's an interesting way to try to get stuff done
18:04:58 SevenIron: Brief's even better for me, too ... would like to talk about the installfest
18:05:01 wastrel: "ubucon"
18:05:13 johnmark: cool... sounds good
18:05:18 Joe_CoT: i actually just turned my pc on to check my aim 
but alright, i'm here
18:05:28 johnmark: but first I have a couple of brief updates
18:06:04 johnmark: 1. Google will let us film stuff. It's all up to us we'll have ot provide the cameras, etc. email me if you would lik eto volunteer, or you know someone who could
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18:07:01 wastrel: i have a camera, but i've never used it & don't really know how to work it
18:07:08 johnmark: haha...
18:07:14 johnmark: 2. Our office is located at 76 9th Avenue in Chelsea, Manhattan, between 8th and 9th Avenue and 15th and 16th Street. Please enter the building on the northwest side (16th Street & 9th Avenue). A Google representative will be on hand to greet you, provide you with a building badge, and direct you to the 8th floor.
18:07:27 johnmark: that's straight from a Googler helping us out
18:07:55 n8k99_: hi what did i miss?
18:08:11 johnmark: n8k99: not much 
18:08:26 johnmark: did you see points 1 and 2 above?
18:08:34 n8k99_: yes
18:08:41 johnmark: ah, ok
18:09:23 johnmark: 3. we have confirmations from Bradley Kuhn, of the Software Freedom Law Center, and Jay Sulzberger, of NYLUG, and they have agreed to speak
18:09:32 n8k99_: is there something else I can do this week?
18:09:39 johnmark: and 4. Nathan did a great flyer
18:09:49 n8k99_: thank you
18:10:01 johnmark: n8k99: heh... at htis point, I just want to make sure we've hit all the college LUG's
18:10:14 wastrel: what about a printable directions and instructions and schedule thingy
18:10:26 Joe_CoT: njit's hit, i'm trying to get some of the cs people i know to go
18:10:37 johnmark: joe_cot: thanks
18:10:43 Joe_CoT: crap, anyone tell rutger's lug?
18:10:51 johnmark: wastrel: that would be good
18:11:12 johnmark: joe_cot: good question
18:11:13 Pici: I incidentally just checked on rslug's website, nothing there about ubucon
18:11:46 johnmark: pici: ok. if you guys happen to contact a LUG, please send me a note so that I know who's in the fold and who's not
18:11:54 johnmark: and no one duplicates effort
18:12:02 Joe_CoT: i just popped into their irc. it's #ruslug
18:12:10 johnmark: in fact, a better idea would be to create a grid on the wiki so that we can identify roups we can contact
18:12:24 n8k99_: anyone get farmingdale?
18:12:42 johnmark: and check off ones that have already been contacted I'll create the grid and send a note to the list
18:12:51 n8k99_: and lilug?
18:12:52 Pici: Good idea
18:13:07 johnmark: and speaking of the wiki, we're at the point where we need to start creating wiki pages for some of the session planning
18:13:31 johnmark: installfest in particular again, I can create the shell page for the installfest and give volunteers a means of signing up there
18:14:06 Joe_CoT: has anyone volunteered to be installed? I don't picture many people lugging desktops to nyc :/ how'd it go last year?
18:14:07 johnmark: now that Jay S. and Bradley Kuhn have agreed to speak, I'll give them an opportunity to put their stuff on the wiki, as well
18:14:31 johnmark: joe_cot: that'sa good point. what happened in mountain view is that a lot of people brought laptops
18:14:42 johnmark: and they had a ton of questions about niggling stuff that wasn't working right
18:14:58 johnmark: so I kind of wished that I had set aside a separate room just for that
18:15:03 Pici: Will Google be providing wired/wireless access?
18:15:05 johnmark: which I'm doing this time
18:15:14 johnmark: pici: ah yes, thanks for asking
18:15:16 Joe_CoT: yeah, which is a problem. if support is iffy at this point, it's on the laptop end
18:15:30 GNu_Joe: How many talks and how many round tables?
18:15:31 johnmark: joe_cot: yeah, no one's expecting miracles
18:15:51 johnmark: pici: there will be wireless at least in the main auditorium
18:16:02 wastrel: time to learn how to hibernate/suspend :]
18:16:02 johnmark: the breakout rooms will probably only have wired access
18:16:04 johnmark: haha
18:16:44 Joe_CoT: okay. if we have internet access, I'll do some of the installfest work. should i be bringing install CDs, or are we good on that? laptops many times need the alternate install one to work
18:16:53 johnmark: GNu_Joe: the so for talks / round table breakdown...
18:17:03 johnmark: I'm assuming it will end up being about half and half
18:17:27 johnmark: joe_cot: we're good on CD's. Some Ubuntu folks are bringing a bunch with them
18:18:01 johnmark: joe_cot: but good poitn re: alternate CD's. Please bring a couple just ot make sure we can burn more if needed
18:18:20 GNu_Joe: BTW where is the flyer, I want to get it out, we have our lug meeting this comeing Wed.
18:18:35 johnmark: GNu_Joe: oh duh... I meant to send that out
18:18:45 johnmark: n8k99: can you give us the URL?
18:18:59 Joe_CoT: yeah, i'll bring a couple of each just in case. btw, what do we do about ppl that are looking to dualboot? do we tell them to install windows themselves first?
18:19:39 johnmark: http://eckenrodehouse.net/kubuntu/flyer11.pdf
18:19:46 johnmark: check out the flyer
18:20:00 johnmark: dl it, email it, print it, have your way with it :@)
18:20:08 johnmark: joe_cot: thanks
18:20:44 n8k99_: oop sorry
18:20:56 * n8k99_ was caught up in colbert report
18:21:07 Joe_CoT: i'm caught up in dinner 
18:21:53 johnmark: so for round tables, so far I can see round tables on "laptops and other small devices"... "software freedom and digital rights"... and "Future of Ubuntu"
18:22:26 johnmark: I know we'll have plenty for the latter two, but I need to make sure there are enough knowledgeable folks for a laptop / small devices round table
18:22:45 wastrel: extension cords
18:22:45 johnmark: if you can think of more, please send the idea to the list
18:22:55 johnmark: wastrel: I think google will provide
18:23:07 johnmark: joe_cot: missed your question re: dual boot
18:23:41 johnmark: joe_cot: for something like that, we obviously can't help them install windows first, but assuming they already have it, which is most likely, we can help withth erest
18:24:17 johnmark: so for talks... I'd like to get as many desktopcentric talks as possible
18:24:46 johnmark: Mako is coming, so he can probably give a multimedia or graphicscentered talk
18:25:03 johnmark: someone last week discussed doing a video or graphics talk, although I can't remember who
18:25:11 johnmark: it was in the IRC session
18:26:10 johnmark: what are some talks you would like to see? at least 4 Ubuntu folks will be there, including a couple from Canonical corporate what sort of things would you like to see from them?
18:26:37 GNu_Joe: I'm doing a minitalk (1015minutes) on Beryl and gDesklets if others can come up with a few more we could do a desktop thing
18:26:40 johnmark: what we had in Mountain View was someone talking about their roadmap for Ubuntu, which was hugely popular
18:27:03 johnmark: GNu_Joe: awesome. we could combine that into a desktop round table, or some such
18:27:22 johnmark: does anyone here have a lot of experience with launchpad or any of the other Ubuntu tools?
18:27:46 johnmark: I can probably find someone, but I was hoping to see what everyone in this session can do
18:28:04 GNu_Joe: johnmark, desktop shootout? we do that, each person gets 10 minutes and it's lot's of fun ( an funny as we heckle each other)
18:28:14 johnmark: haha
18:28:33 johnmark: how would it work?
18:28:34 Joe_CoT: desktop shootout? o.O
18:28:53 johnmark: 10 minutes to talk about their krad desktop?
18:29:28 wastrel: a gnucash tutorial would be pretty cool
18:29:28 GNu_Joe: ya, each person pick a desktop aka KDE Gnome etc and we have a smack down, it's very entertaining and educational
18:29:47 wastrel: that proggy has an intimidating learning curve
18:29:52 johnmark: haha... yeah, that's exactly the kind of fun session that would encourage participation
18:30:22 johnmark: or perhaps we make it between kubuntu and ubuntu? tha tmight be fun
18:30:30 johnmark: I know there are definitely kubuntu folks coming ing
18:30:52 johnmark: anybody here know xubuntu very well?
18:30:57 GNu_Joe: dude... should have been there when we did the editor smackdown with emacs vs VI it was hysterical!
18:31:03 johnmark: haha!
18:31:33 johnmark: GNu_Joe: ok, tell me how this would work and put it on the wiki. that would be awesome
18:31:51 wastrel: vi
18:32:11 johnmark: wastrel: missed your gnucash idea yeah, lots of people don't even know that it exists
18:32:30 Joe_CoT: johnmark: sort of. The closest i've got is my enlightenment experience from my gentoo days. i've got fluxbox installed, but gnome is fine for me
18:32:31 johnmark: I can see hours and hours of fun just presenting interesting desktop apps that nobody knows about
18:32:42 johnmark: joe_cot: ok
18:32:50 SevenIron: (Gotta goooo ... I'll read the transcripts & follow up privately).
18:32:59 johnmark: seven_iron: thanks!
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18:33:10 johnmark: ok... I've got 10 more minutes
18:33:51 johnmark: joe_cot: it's probably enough to have kubuntu vs. ubuntu. most people recognize xubuntu as being for older hardware at least that's how I've interpreted it
18:33:51 GNu_Joe: Well I think we need a roadmap talk... to make it a true "con"
18:34:10 johnmark: yeah, that will be taken care of by someone straight from canonical
18:34:14 johnmark: so we're covered there
18:34:19 wastrel: inkscape is good
18:34:25 wastrel: not as well known as gimp
18:34:32 GNu_Joe: what about a keysigning party like the fedora fokes did?
18:34:57 johnmark: wastrel: good point. and scribus... and lyx... and many others. I gotta think about how to fit that all in. send your ideas to the list
18:35:03 johnmark: gnu_joe: definitely want a keysigning
18:35:23 johnmark: perhaps we could do that in the same room as the installfest? how many people did that at fudcon?
18:36:00 Joe_CoT: bip and bitlbee. that's how i got disconnected 15 minutes ago and no one noticed
18:36:32 GNu_Joe: If you can lure Jono B. to come, then he could talk about Jokosher
18:36:55 Joe_CoT: isn't he in england?
18:37:13 johnmark: gnu_joe: unfortunately, he will be in Ireland at the time. Yeah, I was bummed 
18:37:26 GNu_Joe: dang
18:37:38 johnmark: gnu_joe: what's jokosher?
18:38:21 Joe_CoT: nonlinear music editing studio
18:38:40 johnmark: joe_cot: oh very nice
18:38:56 GNu_Joe: johnmark, His's baby => http://www.jokosher.org/ one of the crown jewels of feisty
18:38:59 Joe_CoT: right? i only know what i gather from the planet
18:39:32 johnmark: gnu_joe: ok. I'll check it out. great thing about doing app sessions is taht you don't necessarily need to be the author of tha tsoftware
18:40:41 GNu_Joe: it should give garage band a run for the money
18:41:23 GNu_Joe: Well, I'm of I'll keep and eye on the list, let me know what you need, Still have yet to hear back from John about the Blender talk...
18:41:30 GNu_Joe: of=off
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18:44:25 wastrel: a talk to introduce ubuntuforums and wiki.ubuntu.com might be good
18:44:55 johnmark: wastrel: absolutely
18:44:59 Joe_CoT: lol, well if they're there, i hope they've seen the wiki ;D
18:45:12 johnmark: gnu_joe: thanks for checking
18:45:15 johnmark: haha!
18:46:26 johnmark: wastrel: in general, a great session last time was all about using the Ubuntu community online tools
18:46:56 johnmark: Jordan Mantha gave a talk about that at the last ubucon. I'll see if I can grab his presentation somewhere
18:47:05 johnmark: that's a must have session
18:47:22 johnmark: ok... gah, wehre did the time go. I have to run. iwll send some updates to the list
18:47:40 johnmark: and let's shoot for Friday next week what time is best for everyone?
18:48:14 Joe_CoT: eh, i can't make it next week. if stuff needs brought, put it on the mailing list and i'll see what i can do
18:48:23 Joe_CoT: try not to run yourself ragged
18:48:32 johnmark: haha... ok
18:49:47 johnmark: ok... cya
18:50:01 Joe_CoT: later