Log for US Teams Meeting on September 9th 2009
21:57 < johnc4510> who's here for the meeting?? 21:57 < tyche> IT'S A JOHN!!!!! 21:57 < johnc4510> +1 21:57 < r2d2rogers> are they knee deep? 21:57 < johnc4510> tyche: hey 21:57 < johnc4510> r2d2rogers: lol 21:57 < johnc4510> pleia2 may be a little late 21:57 < johnc4510> dantalizing: you here? 21:57 < r2d2rogers> will be reading but also doing bedtime stories in a bit 21:58 < johnc4510> cool 22:00 * johnc4510 asks who else is here for the loco meeting? 22:01 < johnc4510> agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams/Meetings 22:01 < tyche> johnc4510: Is -us-az going to have to take over THIS meeting, too? 22:01 < dindatx> I'm here for the meeting 22:02 < johnc4510> dindatx: cool 22:02 < johnc4510> tyche: hope not 22:02 < johnc4510> :) 22:02 < tyche> So do I. :-D 22:02 < johnc4510> pleia2 should be here shortly she had a plug meeting i think 22:02 < johnc4510> bug jam wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam 22:02 < r2d2rogers> I think I just saw my local LUG go back on hiatus 22:05 < johnc4510> ok, we had discussed having a US loco team participation at the jam 22:05 < johnc4510> so far we've set up a wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams/Events/WikiDocDay2009 22:05 < doctormo_> johnc4510: Was jono there? 22:06 < johnc4510> the idea as i remember was to have the loco teams ban together to work on the LoCo wiki pages 22:06 < johnc4510> doctormo_: not sure 22:06 < doctormo_> johnc4510: I was going to respond to his email asking him to come to the meeting, but it turned out that I was not available for the meeting anyway 22:06 < johnc4510> but we need more teams participating and we need to promote our idea 22:06 < johnc4510> ah 22:07 < johnc4510> doctormo_: k 22:07 < pleia2> hello! 22:07 < johnc4510> hey pleia2 22:07 < johnc4510> i sort of got the ball rolling for you 22:07 < doctormo_> johnc4510: I can understand the fustration with the USA's event organisation, but then again, we're not France. 22:07 < johnc4510> doctormo_: true 22:08 < johnc4510> but we should be getting more teams working on these projects too 22:08 < doctormo_> Plus my own personal time organisation demons are killing my teams ability to organise anything. Lack of coordinated tools is a royal pain. 22:08 < johnc4510> it's a great way to build their approval wiki 22:08 < doctormo> True 22:08 < doctormo> I think I'm going to organise several weekly events, things that I personally over see each week. 22:09 < johnc4510> with summer just about over...i'm hoping more teams will start participating again 22:09 < johnc4510> doctormo: nice 22:09 < pleia2> so any thoughts on getting more us teams motivated to do jams? 22:09 < pleia2> I think we can probably each nudge the teams we're mentoring 22:09 < doctormo> Tuesday==Desktop Edu+Support, Wednesday==SysAdmin, Friday==Tools Devel and Some other day will be Advocacy day, where people come and fill in spreadsheets of contact details and send boring emails to everyone. 22:10 < johnc4510> i'm wondering if we need to use the team contact list to email each contact and sort of put a bug in each teams ear?? 22:10 < johnc4510> pleia2: true 22:10 < doctormo> I could argue that the devel day was a jam day :-P 22:10 < pleia2> doctormo: it has to be during the jam weekend to count ;) 22:10 * pleia2 converted a planned mythbuntu event to a jam event 22:11 < doctormo> But to be honest, my team is having too much trouble looking after it's internal administrative functions, so no one in my team is willing to do a Jam day. Which is sad. 22:11 < pleia2> doctormo: aw : 22:11 < doctormo> pleia2: But it would be every week of the year, 22:11 < pleia2> :\ 22:11 < johnc4510> look this isn't like a full week of event 22:11 < johnc4510> it's one day...each team can do what they can, hour wise to help out i think 22:11 < doctormo> johnc4510: I should have added "except for me", damn jono. 22:12 < johnc4510> lol 22:12 < pleia2> hehe 22:12 < johnc4510> and we always need some pre-planning on what pages to attack 22:12 < johnc4510> i think 22:12 < johnc4510> ? 22:13 < pleia2> possibly 22:13 * Irishmanluke lurks 22:13 < pleia2> I think something a lot of the less active teams can do is just remember that they exist, and clean up their docs and get some ideas flowing again 22:13 < pleia2> Irishmanluke :) 22:13 < johnc4510> pleia2: true 22:13 < pleia2> even if they can't get around to planning a physical event 22:14 < doctormo> pleia2: I blame wiki, unstructured, unprompting black hole of time usage. 22:14 < doctormo> If the wiki would just email me about when events are planned. 22:14 < pleia2> doctormo: akgraner had an idea to have a wiki how-to session during UbuntuOpenWeek - and wanted to encourage teams to teach wiki editing 22:14 < johnc4510> and our working on the wiki can be done in irc...you don't necessarily have to have a meetup for teams to participate 22:15 < pleia2> johnc4510: yeah :) 22:15 < doctormo> pleia2: That's treating the symptoms, the problem is that you need to codify the workflow of event organisation and team mannagement. 22:15 < doctormo> I'm not convinced that any of that can be done on the wiki 22:15 < pleia2> doctormo: unfortunately we don't have the power to do much more than treat the symptoms 22:16 < johnc4510> looking at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams/Events/WikiDocDay2009 I'm wondering why teams like Georgia, California, and Ohio aren't listed 22:16 < pleia2> we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/Administriva to remind us (even me!) about all the stuff we need to keep updated 22:16 < johnc4510> nods 22:16 < doctormo> pleia2: Sure we do, FSF is investing time into a project called OpenSocial, some of that is set to codify exactly this kind of event and team management into software. 22:16 < pleia2> johnc4510: I need to nag them more :) 22:16 < pleia2> doctormo: I meant within Ubuntu - a certain toolbox is given to us 22:16 < johnc4510> keeping the wiki's updated is a chore that probably most of us set aside at times 22:17 < doctormo> Point is, we shouldn't have to keep a lot of this stuff up to date, it's a waste of time. 22:17 < johnc4510> pleia2: lol 22:17 < doctormo> johnc4510: I've not edited the wiki in a long time, I refuse. 22:17 < pleia2> doctormo: yeah, I have to admit it sucks 22:17 < johnc4510> lol 22:17 < doctormo> apart from meetings 22:17 < doctormo> Those still go on the wiki 22:17 < dindatx> johnc4510: TX isn't even active online, even though the team has been going strong for 3 years, there's a mismatch btwn online and real world loco activity 22:18 < johnc4510> dindatx: does texas still have city regionsS? 22:18 < johnc4510> Houston, Dallas etc 22:18 < pleia2> dindatx: yeah, I bump into texas people sometimes and it's a real struggle to know where to point them :( 22:18 < dindatx> johnc4510: yes, but Houston is the only active city 22:18 < doctormo> pleia2: But as for the toolbox, the reason I'm going to do the Friday thing is to get some local python devs together to devel our own toolbox. 22:19 < doctormo> I'm perl lazy 22:19 < johnc4510> ok, then we need to start with Houston and get them involved 22:19 < johnc4510> dindatx: do you know the contact for houston? 22:19 < dindatx> johnc4510: dunno, gues what I"m saying is they/we kind of feel they don't need to be part of the larger US/Texas team if they are getting their needs met locally 22:20 < dindatx> johnc4510: that would be me for the larger Ubuntu US loco things but locally, two guys handle all the meetings and stuff on the mailing list 22:20 < doctormo> dindatx: Disconnection is not good, if their activity isn't known and there isn't communication, how can we share skills 22:20 < johnc4510> dindatx: hmmm...not sure i agree with that 22:20 < johnc4510> :( 22:21 < dindatx> johnc4510: dunnor for some reason they all seem to hate IRC 22:21 < dindatx> a better toolset might help 22:22 < johnc4510> ah...ok, they use a mailing list? 22:22 < dindatx> pleia2: what kind of toolbox are you thinking about? 22:23 < pleia2> dindatx: I was talking about all the resources listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/Administriva 22:23 < pleia2> whenever we have an event, we have to update all that stuff so the most possible people know about it 22:24 < pleia2> plus cross-posting to lugs and local tech groups 22:24 < pleia2> it's a chore 22:24 < johnc4510> ok, well i think we need to make an effort to get the other teams involved in this 22:24 < johnc4510> pleia2: yep 22:24 < pleia2> but if we forget to update one, people complain that they never saw it and are sad they missed an event 22:24 < johnc4510> nods 22:26 < dindatx> so a centalized notification system the automatically updates others and even sends emails? 22:27 < pleia2> something like that would be nice, but I don't think it's possible with the current things we have 22:27 < johnc4510> pleia2: how about i try to get in contact with georgia and california...as well as my mentor states about signing on for this?? 22:28 < boredandblogging> signing up for what? 22:28 < pleia2> johnc4510: actually, I'm lurking in the california channel and meeting up with Grantbow later this month, I can handle them :) 22:28 < pleia2> boredandblogging: you! I have a question 22:28 < boredandblogging> pleia2: shoot 22:28 < johnc4510> k, i'll take the others then 22:29 < pleia2> boredandblogging: at the last meeting you had an agenda item about making this team more visible, we discussed it some and one of the things was getting this added to the LoCoTeamList 22:29 < pleia2> however, we aren't a real loco 22:29 < pleia2> so no go for the list, right? 22:29 < johnc4510> boredandblogging: hey...we're trying to get the jam going for the loco teams...wiki editing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams/Events/WikiDocDay2009 22:29 < johnc4510> for our wiki pages 22:29 < johnc4510> sort of like what we did before 22:30 < boredandblogging> pleia2: yes, you are right 22:30 < pleia2> boredandblogging: did you have any thoughts regarding that agenda item? 22:30 < boredandblogging> pleia2: how about it getting added to the planet 22:30 < boredandblogging> the ubuntu solar system 22:30 < pleia2> boredandblogging: yeah, we should do that - rt@ubuntu ? 22:30 < boredandblogging> pleia2: gah, unfortunately, yes 22:31 < pleia2> ok, thanks 22:31 < boredandblogging> pleia2: it would be nice if states could add like a US flag on their wiki header 22:31 < johnc4510> boredandblogging: i was thinking we could be listed on the master team list under a separated category maybe...with our contacts ???? 22:31 < boredandblogging> which maybe linked to ubuntu-us.org 22:31 < boredandblogging> or the US wiki page 22:31 < pleia2> boredandblogging: ah! good idea 22:31 < dindatx> pleia2: California might be having the same kind of problems as TX - several large cities/areas but since 'official' recognition is only at the state level, hard to get a state team organized 22:31 < boredandblogging> johnc4510: if you can persuade someone on that, it would rock 22:31 < Flannel> What? 22:32 < pleia2> dindatx: they seem to actually do ok event-wise, they have events in different cities but they are one central team 22:32 < pleia2> hey Flannel :) 22:32 < johnc4510> boredandblogging: who should i discuss that with?? Jono?? 22:32 < johnc4510> Flannel: hey bud 22:32 < akgraner> hey Flannel 22:32 < dindatx> pleia2: they've got SCALE so a good general Linux infrastructure to build on 22:32 < boredandblogging> johnc4510: i think it would be tough to get all the states listed 22:32 < Flannel> California is participating in the Global Jam, we haven't yet decided what we'll be working on. 22:32 < boredandblogging> johnc4510: you might need a landing page 22:32 < pleia2> Flannel: yay! 22:32 < boredandblogging> johnc4510: so link to somewhere on ubuntu-us.org, which lists the other possibilities 22:33 < pleia2> Flannel: will you guys be part of our doc day too during the jam? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams/Events/WikiDocDay2009 22:33 < Flannel> pleia2: We don't know yet 22:33 < akgraner> pleia2, NC will be.. 22:33 < pleia2> ok 22:33 < johnc4510> boredandblogging: not all the states, they are already listed on the master list...just the US Teams project contact info 22:33 < pleia2> akgraner: yeah, I already voluntelled your team 22:33 < akgraner> ;-) well they agreed.. 22:33 < pleia2> yay 22:33 < johnc4510> akgraner: great 22:33 < johnc4510> :) 22:34 < Flannel> dindatx: If you'd like to discuss how we're doing stuff in CA, I wouldn't mind sitting down and talking with you. 22:34 < Flannel> sorry, totally offtopic now that I read some backscroll. 22:35 < dindatx> Flannel: that would be great 22:35 * Grantbow tries to get off the phone to particpate 22:36 < pleia2> yay, teams sharing ideas :) everyone gets a gold star 22:37 < pleia2> hehe 22:39 < johnc4510> :) 22:39 < pleia2> ok, so I'll email rt@ for the solar system thing, johnc4510 following up on his thing, we all encourage links back to USTeams on our team resources 22:39 < johnc4510> kk 22:39 < boredandblogging> pleia2: link backs on any websites and wiki, right? 22:39 < pleia2> and more people blogging about the WikiDocDay2009 would be good :) 22:40 < pleia2> boredandblogging: right 22:40 < boredandblogging> cool 22:40 < pleia2> maybe we can nag doctormo into making a pretty badge 22:40 < boredandblogging> pleia2: actually... 22:40 < boredandblogging> for a while, get people to put it on their posts 22:40 < doctormo> There is a group of artists now doing those kinds of things, I actually think their better than I 22:40 < boredandblogging> kinda like how I disgustingly put the Atlanta Linux Fest badge on all my posts :-P 22:41 < pleia2> boredandblogging: yeah, and now look what you've done, ALF is going to be overcrowded! ;) 22:41 < johnc4510> lol 22:41 < boredandblogging> pleia2: overcrowded? good problem to have 22:41 < johnc4510> nods 22:41 < akgraner> boredandblogging, yeah you are shameless...got that self promotion down pat...:-) 22:42 < johnc4510> boredandblogging: you have been active blogging lately hee hee 22:42 < johnc4510> he should write a book 22:42 < johnc4510> :) 22:43 < pleia2> hehe 22:43 < johnc4510> ok, i need to run if we're done here ?? 22:43 < pleia2> yeah, I think we got the important things 22:43 < pleia2> thanks johnc4510 :) 22:43 < johnc4510> ok, i'll follow up on my part then 22:43 < johnc4510> np 22:43 < johnc4510> :) 22:45 < akgraner> pleia2, et al, sorry I was so late...I'm still gathering links and working on an article 22:46 < pleia2> no problem 22:47 < boredandblogging> johnc4510: writing a book about self promotion, I like that! 22:47 < pleia2> hehe 22:47 < akgraner> boredandblogging, shameless self promotion..hehe 22:47 < boredandblogging> johnc4510: you don't think people see my mug around enough? 22:47 < johnc4510> boredandblogging: never LOL 22:47 < boredandblogging> :-P 22:49 < johnc4510> later all