Log of meeting on 3/4/09
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1 [00:00:29 ] <bodhizazen> I have other conflicting obligations, so I will be here a short time
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3 [00:00:52] <bodhizazen> :)
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5 [00:00:55] <jamesrfla> :)
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7 [00:01:08] <bodhizazen> So are there any pressing issues from the team ?
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9 [00:01:18] <bodhizazen> If not, I have just one at the moment ...
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11 [00:01:19] <jamesrfla> Pick me
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13 [00:01:37] <bodhizazen> kk, first I would like a few words :)
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15 [00:01:45] <jamesrfla> go ahead bodhizazen
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17 [00:02:00] <bodhizazen> Just to recap from last meeting re: leadership / team goals
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19 [00:02:14] <bodhizazen> The goal of the team is to help new users on the forums
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21 [00:02:29] <bodhizazen> That is our "manifesto"
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23 [00:02:59] <bodhizazen> IMO I think our goals should include helping on LP, wiki, development, and help guide users to the greater Ubuntu Community
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25 [00:03:42] <bodhizazen> I understand we are all volunteers, and if anyone would like to participate on the team more, contribute more, add goals, etc
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27 [00:03:43] <Bodsda> 0/
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29 [00:03:47] <bodhizazen> please come forward :)
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31 [00:04:04] <nhandler> Along those lines, I also have an idea I would like to run past the team
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33 [00:04:08] <Bodsda> have we any documentation detailing how to help on LP?
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35 [00:04:08] <bodhizazen> Bodsda: is your question related to this issue ?
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37 [00:04:13] <Bodsda> yes ^^
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39 [00:04:27] <jamesrfla> bodhizazen: after the 12 I should have tons of time like I had when I joined the team
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41 [00:04:28] <Bodsda> I dont help on LP because i dont know how to use it
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43 [00:04:40] <DrSmall> present
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45 [00:04:43] <sdennie> Forums should always remain our primary focus though. That's who we are.
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47 [00:04:44] <bodhizazen> OK Bodsda we will get you up to speen
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49 [00:04:47] <bodhizazen> *speed
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51 [00:04:49] <bodhizazen> wb DrSmall
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53 [00:04:51] <jamesrfla> DrSmall: !!!!!!
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55 [00:04:52] <Bodsda> cheers bodhizazen
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57 [00:04:52] <bodhizazen> good to see you
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59 [00:04:57] <Bodsda> wb DrSmall
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61 [00:05:06] <DrSmall> And its good to see everyone else :)
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63 [00:05:22] <jamesrfla> +1 Bodsda about LP
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65 [00:05:32] <nhandler> Bodsda: ping me after the meeting re LP
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67 [00:05:38] <bodhizazen> Related to the first issue, I think the team has a lot of potential for growth and am wondering if anyone would like to review / elect people to leadership roles
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69 [00:05:42] <Bodsda> nhandler: will do cheers
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71 [00:05:53] <rraj_be> shall i say one small idea
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73 [00:05:57] * JoshuaRL is back.
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75 [00:06:01] <jamesrfla> +1 sdennie
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77 [00:06:03] <bodhizazen> I would like to know if there is anything anyone would suggest to get some of the FG going stronger ?
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79 [00:06:08] <nhandler> o/
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81 [00:06:11] <rraj_be> Shall we organise classrooms like things weekly for interested persons on interested topics
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83 [00:06:16] <bodhizazen> go nhandler
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85 [00:06:28] <Bodsda> bodhizazen: I'd like to see mentoring in the focus groups a little bit more
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87 [00:06:41] <Vantrax> +1 Bodsda
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89 [00:06:43] <cprofitt> rraj_be, I would love to see organized classes...
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91 [00:06:44] <sdennie> Haha. Go nhandler!
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93 [00:06:45] <Bodsda> rraj_be: thats already being worked on
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95 [00:06:48] <bodhizazen> I think we should do weekly or bi weekly classrooms, even if they start informally and grow from there
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97 [00:07:02] <nhandler> Although I like the idea of having FG leaders run the different FGs, it seems like most of them (including my own) are having a hard time getting regular meetings going. Would anyone object to the team / BT council setting up regular meetings for the FGs?
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99 [00:07:12] <rraj_be> yeah . . . .but when we have it regullarly . .it will eb much usefull
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101 [00:07:13] <cprofitt> I think we need both an wiki/web based part of the course(s) coupled with IRC sessions
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103 [00:07:15] <Vantrax> the problem is people willing to run the classes, I can develop materials np, but running them is hard at best
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105 [00:07:31] <bodhizazen> Vantrax: I can run classroom
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107 [00:07:35] <cprofitt> Yes... I have not had one meeting that was not me and the four walls
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109 [00:07:44] * Vantrax mutters about a pregnant wife
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111 [00:07:44] <bodhizazen> If others are willing to help with materials
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113 [00:07:45] <sdennie> nhandler: No objections from my team.
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115 [00:07:48] <cprofitt> though this weekend forest will make it
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117 [00:07:50] <Bodsda> 0/
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119 [00:08:08] <Joeb454> I have something wrt focus groups
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121 [00:08:13] <bodhizazen> And I would like 2 or 3 people to "shadow" sessions so they can run them in due time :)
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123 [00:08:14] <Vantrax> Ill continue to develop materials on any topics needed.
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125 [00:08:34] <Joeb454> er. I mean o
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127 [00:08:35] <Joeb454> o/
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129 [00:08:46] <bodhizazen> Lets have a meeting on the mentoring classroom FG then
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131 [00:08:51] <cprofitt> the biggest problem we face bodhizazen is that when people do not show in IRC the instructors get a bit depressed
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133 [00:08:51] <bodhizazen> My problem will be time
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135 [00:09:05] <bodhizazen> yea cprofitt , it will need to grow
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137 [00:09:13] <bodhizazen> I think informal and grow from there is best
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139 [00:09:29] <bodhizazen> Topic should be 15 minutes with lots of tiem fo rQ&A
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141 [00:09:33] <Bodsda> I agree with the informalities -- however the main problem is people dont attend
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143 [00:09:46] <bodhizazen> people do not have a 1 hour attention span ;)
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145 [00:09:50] <JoshuaRL> bodhizazen: o/
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147 [00:09:53] * Joeb454 waits his turn
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149 [00:09:55] <Joeb454> JoshuaRL: no pushing
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151 [00:09:58] <bodhizazen> Bodsda: I think it wil grow
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153 [00:10:03] <Bodsda> no, i mean they dont turn up, we need to advertise more somehow
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155 [00:10:03] * JoshuaRL waits behind Joeb454
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157 [00:10:03] <bodhizazen> go JoshuaRL :)
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159 [00:10:12] <JoshuaRL> bodhizazen: no, Joeb454 first
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161 [00:10:21] <bodhizazen> Bodsda: sticky on forms will help
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163 [00:10:24] <cprofitt> I think having tutorials on the forums and wikis coupled with question and answer sessions on IRC would generate interest
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165 [00:10:28] <bodhizazen> Joeb454: go for it :)
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167 [00:10:36] <bodhizazen> +1 cprofitt
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169 [00:10:38] <Vantrax> Maybe there is another way bodhi, if we have a list of instructors who can teach listed and the 'classes' are 10 min, we could do them adhoc as requested
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171 [00:10:48] * jamesrfla waits behind Joeb454
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173 [00:10:58] <Vantrax> people just ping one of the trainers to see if they are free
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175 [00:10:59] <JoshuaRL> jamesrfla: me first foo :)
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177 [00:11:00] <bodhizazen> Good idea
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179 [00:11:03] <ibuclaw> Bodsda: am I still here?
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181 [00:11:09] <Bodsda> ibuclaw: yes
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183 [00:11:12] <Joeb454> oh
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185 [00:11:14] <jamesrfla> lol
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187 [00:11:16] <bodhizazen> I think we should have a separate meeting to discuss mentoring
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189 [00:11:17] <Joeb454> Erm, well...
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191 [00:11:17] <cprofitt> Vantrax, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Proposals
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193 [00:11:28] <Vantrax> he he, ok cp
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195 [00:11:29] <ibuclaw> Bodsda: lol ... I had a dodgy connection for a minute there :P
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197 [00:11:30] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Instructors
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199 [00:11:40] <ibuclaw> Bodsda: I posted that 15 minutes ago
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201 [00:11:45] <bodhizazen> Those are my issues :)
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203 [00:12:01] <Bodsda> hah, ok ibuclaw we have been discussing classes and LP
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205 [00:12:04] <bodhizazen> go JoshuaRL :)
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207 [00:12:12] <Joeb454> as some of you know, I'm (supposed) to be a joint-fg lead with ajmorris on the IRC focus group. We really need to get it kickstarted. But I don't have the time to give to get it going again, so I'd like to offer the place to another member
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209 [00:12:15] <Vantrax> cprofitt, more so they dont have scheduled times, more approximate availabilities that they are willing to teach during.
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211 [00:12:34] <ibuclaw> Classes++
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213 [00:12:47] <cprofitt> Vantrax, that goes with having forum how-tos and Q&A times
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215 [00:12:52] <Bodsda> Joeb454: I have quite a bit of free time atm, would does the job involve?
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217 [00:12:53] <JoshuaRL> bodhizazen: i think that advertising has to me kind of massive. just a sticky probably wont work. as LaRoza said, you can lead a noob to a sticky, but you cant make them read.
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219 [00:12:58] <ibuclaw> I'd like to get involved in some teaching sometime
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221 [00:13:02] <Vantrax> yeah, just thinking more generic and less time and date
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223 [00:13:08] <cprofitt> its kind of like optional lab sessions in which the teacher / grad assistant are there to answer questions
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225 [00:13:15] <Vantrax> maybe we need to have a classroom meeting after?
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227 [00:13:28] <JoshuaRL> id be willing to do some teaching
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229 [00:13:31] <Joeb454> Bodsda: it involves liaising with ajmorris about how to get the damn thing started again :) it may also involve hosting bhb if possible :)
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231 [00:13:38] <bodhizazen> I agree with what you are saying JoshuaRL re: advertising
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233 [00:13:44] <cprofitt> is forest not here?
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235 [00:13:44] <bodhizazen> any other suggestions ?
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237 [00:13:57] * jamesrfla continues to wait
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239 [00:13:59] <nhandler> Joeb454: This is one reason I wanted to have the BT council/members schedule regular meetings for all of the FGs
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241 [00:14:01] <bodhizazen> We can probably connect with some of the LUG for example
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243 [00:14:02] <Bodsda> Joeb454: I can host him, but it would be dodgy lol, i dont have server as such just a desktop with apache
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245 [00:14:12] <Vantrax> maybe let jamesrfla get whatever it is out...
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247 [00:14:20] <Joeb454> Bodsda: it doesn't really need apache, unless you wanted logs
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249 [00:14:22] <bodhizazen> And I can throw together a web page for the team on my server
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251 [00:14:23] <ibuclaw> oh, and Bodsda. I think mentoring should be at the discretion of the padawan. But that is just me saying that.
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253 [00:14:23] <JoshuaRL> Vantrax: +1
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255 [00:14:27] <Joeb454> Bodsda: I can continue to host though
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257 [00:14:30] <cprofitt> forestpixie and Michael have run classes so it would be great if they were here to add to the discussion
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259 [00:14:35] <jamesrfla> +1 Vantrax
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261 [00:14:43] <Joeb454> nhandler: yeah definitely +1 for that.
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263 [00:14:46] <bodhizazen> go jamesrfla
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265 [00:14:52] <jamesrfla> thanks bodhizazen
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267 [00:15:11] <jamesrfla> You guys are talking about classes and wiki kind of stuff right?
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269 [00:15:16] <Vantrax> yes
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271 [00:15:20] <JoshuaRL> jamesrfla: yep
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273 [00:15:20] <Bodsda> uh huh
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275 [00:15:21] <rraj_be> yes
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277 [00:15:32] <ibuclaw> (hey rraj_be :))
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279 [00:15:40] <rraj_be> hello ibuclaw
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281 [00:15:43] <rraj_be> ;)
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283 [00:15:46] <jamesrfla> Maybe attached the wiki there would be a forum thing if somebody has trouble with something
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285 [00:16:03] <cprofitt> jamesrfla, you mean a form?
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287 [00:16:05] <Vantrax> like a regularly pruned thread about each topic?
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289 [00:16:12] <Vantrax> on the ubuntu forums?
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291 [00:16:25] <Bodsda> I dont think we can have forums on the ubuntu wiki... if thats what you mean
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293 [00:16:38] <cprofitt> we have this page -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education/Resources
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295 [00:16:39] <JoshuaRL> jamesrfla: good idea, but then we'd be locked into checking those a lot
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297 [00:16:43] <cprofitt> which links people to resources...
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299 [00:16:46] <jamesrfla> yeah like a forums link to some forum. Everybody is creating these wiki guides but what about the people that fallow it but have problems and need help
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301 [00:16:54] <cprofitt> it would be great to have more people adding to the list...
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303 [00:17:17] <Bodsda> jamesrfla: I think this is a good idea, a link to a forum somewhere -- perhaps we can request one from uf?
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305 [00:17:25] <Vantrax> i can host a phpbb on my website if neccessary
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307 [00:17:27] <cprofitt> My goal jamesrfla would be for people that have issues with the wiki guide to be able to attend an IRC session and get help
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309 [00:17:40] <JoshuaRL> jamesrfla: that is what ABF and GH is for. if they have issues, they can post. thats how i feel TBH
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311 [00:17:44] <jamesrfla> that is also good too cprofitt
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313 [00:17:53] <cprofitt> but having a place to post of the forums would make it easier for people in different timezones
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315 [00:18:06] <Vantrax> cprofitt, that tends to be the issue
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317 [00:18:10] <jamesrfla> +1 cprofitt
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319 [00:18:25] <Vantrax> its why I have a hard time running classes myself
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321 [00:18:31] <jamesrfla> my other thing does the team have like a todo list or something?
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323 [00:18:40] * cprofitt ponders that UFBT Help Desk
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325 [00:18:41] <JoshuaRL> i still feel that is better left to UF. if they have an issue, they can post what step gave them problems
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327 [00:19:16] <cprofitt> JoshuaRL, the issue with forums is that the responses can often be from people who do not know the answer... but try
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329 [00:19:17] <Vantrax> i agree JoshuaRL but having a sub forum on UF dedicated to it, with a thread related to each program would be nice
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331 [00:19:30] <bodhizazen> kk, any other suggestions for mentoring ?
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333 [00:19:33] <cprofitt> it would be nice to have a nice 'clean' way for a question and an answer
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335 [00:19:45] <ibuclaw> cprofitt: Launchpad Answers
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337 [00:19:47] <cprofitt> when we say mentoring -- can we define that better bodhizazen ?
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339 [00:19:47] <Bodsda> not really a todo list but here is our mission statement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/MissionStatement
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341 [00:19:52] <bodhizazen> I would also suggest perhaps bi-weekly meeting rather then monthly ?
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343 [00:19:59] <jamesrfla> have some kind of permissions to allow only certain people to be able to respond
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345 [00:20:02] <bodhizazen> cprofitt: sorry
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347 [00:20:04] <nhandler> bodhizazen: For the team?
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349 [00:20:07] <rraj_be> +1 bodhizazen
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351 [00:20:09] <Vantrax> thats a good point ibuclaw we can set up a project for that with an answers section...
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353 [00:20:09] <Bodsda> bodhizazen: I agree, monthly is too long, people will forget
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355 [00:20:12] <bodhizazen> mentoring meaning running sessions on classroom
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357 [00:20:13] <jgoguen> +1 bodhizazen
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359 [00:20:36] <JoshuaRL> cprofitt: i agree in theory, but isnt that what UF is based on? it doesnt have to be Mr Linus Torvalds answering you
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361 [00:20:56] <cprofitt> bodhizazen, mentoring -- that is 'assisting prospective members to become members and members to take on additional activities in the Ubuntu community" -- is that a good definition?
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363 [00:20:57] <Joeb454> bodhizazen: I think bi-weekly meetings are good, because chances are if you can't make one of them, it's not as big a deal as missing a monthly meeting
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365 [00:20:59] <Vantrax> long as its the right answer JoshuaRL, not a wrong one
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367 [00:21:07] <Bodsda> JoshuaRL: ubuntu forums is about the operating system in its entirity, we would be about our classes primarily
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369 [00:21:20] <JoshuaRL> which are about Ubuntu
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371 [00:21:25] <ibuclaw> Vantrax: there's already one in place. It's like a formal forum. little to no trolls, and all answers are written straight and to the point.
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373 [00:21:37] <Vantrax> works for me
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375 [00:21:47] <ibuclaw> Vantrax: https://answers.launchpad.net/
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377 [00:21:58] <Bodsda> JoshuaRL: throw a fish into the see it is unlikely to find its mother, put it in a pond it will find its mother
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379 [00:22:17] <cprofitt> is that the definition for everyone? or is mentoring more?
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381 [00:22:19] <Vantrax> ibuclaw, i spend a fair bit of time there... i ment having a project on launchpad for our answers specifically
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383 [00:22:30] <JoshuaRL> im not saying we drop it like its hot and leave. but we cant assume all questions can go only to us. we're just dudes that want to help, not some ruling class.
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385 [00:22:37] <cprofitt> mentoring for me is for members and prospective members... classes are for everyone
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387 [00:22:41] <bodhizazen> Let us try to have more frequent meetings then
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389 [00:22:50] <Vantrax> im with cprofitt on that one
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391 [00:23:02] <bodhizazen> The other thing , we need to make sure the membership process is not overwhelming
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393 [00:23:04] <nhandler> I think we really need to move on right now. We can discuss this topic more later
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395 [00:23:05] <cprofitt> given that...
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397 [00:23:07] <Bodsda> JoshuaRL: no but we could be a first port of call when a problem is with our instruction (eg classes)
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399 [00:23:14] <bodhizazen> I would like to drop the requirement for a "quiz"
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401 [00:23:21] <Rocket2DMn> o/
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403 [00:23:26] <Vantrax> bodhizazen, can we still do it for fun?
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405 [00:23:27] <cprofitt> mentoring of prospective members -- is that for the Masters or for all of us to take on?
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407 [00:23:28] <ibuclaw> JoshuaRL: yes, but we can also ask active forum users to consider joining the team too...
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409 [00:23:30] <nhandler> I don't think a lot of recent members got quized bodhizazen
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411 [00:23:31] <bodhizazen> But keep the requirement that they make a wiki page and we get to know them
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413 [00:23:38] <Bodsda> +1 nhandler
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415 [00:23:51] <bodhizazen> Yes Vantrax , but I get the feeling the quiz is over kill
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417 [00:23:52] <JoshuaRL> ibuclaw: we already do, thats how we recuit
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419 [00:23:58] <ibuclaw> I've seen at least 4 or 5 likely candidates that are very active.
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421 [00:24:08] <bodhizazen> I think a wiki page + nomination form an existing member
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423 [00:24:13] * cprofitt raises hand
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425 [00:24:15] <Vantrax> can be, but its a good indicator of technical proficiency
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427 [00:24:23] <bodhizazen> We can do quiz too
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429 [00:24:36] <bodhizazen> but make it optional ?
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431 [00:24:39] <Vantrax> or just quiz people were not sure on?
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433 [00:24:39] <Bodsda> bodhizazen: that limits membership to friends/aquaintances of the team to begin with...
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435 [00:24:40] <bodhizazen> the dark path ?
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437 [00:24:42] <JoshuaRL> bodhizazen: do we still vote on new members?
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439 [00:24:42] <bodhizazen> go cprofitt
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441 [00:24:43] <ibuclaw> bodhizazen: there must always be a quiz >:)
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443 [00:24:47] <jamesrfla> quiz with funny laggy Votebot
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445 [00:24:50] <bodhizazen> yes
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447 [00:24:51] <jgoguen> bodhizazen: I understand this may not be the general impression, but I learnt a lot just from the quiz...even if it's not a requirement, I'm not convinced it should be done away with entirely
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449 [00:24:57] <cprofitt> I just want to clarify the mentoring a bit further...
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451 [00:25:05] <bodhizazen> OK, ok, I give in
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453 [00:25:10] <cprofitt> and would like people to follow this with me... for a minute
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455 [00:25:11] <JoshuaRL> jgoguen: i agree, me too
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457 [00:25:19] <bodhizazen> we can continue the quiz, for educational purposes :)
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459 [00:25:28] * jamesrfla raises hand for a team question
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461 [00:25:28] <Vantrax> cprofitt, there is alot more on that o be discussed, maybe after everything else... we could go on for a fair while...
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463 [00:25:30] <cprofitt> we have it established that classes are for everyone....
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465 [00:25:38] <JoshuaRL> i got most of the test wrong anyway
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467 [00:25:54] <cprofitt> and mentoring is broken in to two areas -- members - helping them do more
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469 [00:26:03] <Rocket2DMn> Sorry, I've missed a bunch of this convo, but if you want to increase attendance at classroom sessions, why not schedule them for an hour before or right after our team meetings to start with. People are already around then.
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471 [00:26:05] <cprofitt> and prospective members - helping them join the team?
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473 [00:26:16] <Vantrax> +1 Rocket2DMn
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475 [00:26:28] <Vantrax> not just about the team tho
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477 [00:26:28] <ibuclaw> Vantrax: ##ubuntu-classroom ?
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479 [00:26:32] <cprofitt> I think we do a good job of getting prospective members, but think we can do more to assist members grow
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481 [00:26:32] <jamesrfla> +1 Rocket2DMn but I have a loco meeting right after this one
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483 [00:26:36] <JoshuaRL> Rocket2DMn: +1. that adds us to the mix. we should be the first to support our outreach.
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485 [00:26:42] <Bodsda> cprofitt: that is master/padawan mentoring, but the classrooms are where people teach a subject to anyone and everyone who attends
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487 [00:27:11] <cprofitt> Bodsda -- yep I said that... but do we also have mentoring for current members...
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489 [00:27:23] <nhandler> Can we please move on? Otherwise, we will run out of time
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491 [00:27:24] <cprofitt> mentoring for bug control, etc...
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493 [00:27:34] <bodhizazen> yes cprofitt
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495 [00:27:39] <Vantrax> cprofitt, I would separate the Master/Padawan mentoring system completely from the public classroom system
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497 [00:27:47] <JoshuaRL> Vantrax: +1
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499 [00:27:49] <cprofitt> Vantrax -- we have
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501 [00:27:49] <bodhizazen> we should (I should) use more precise language
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503 [00:27:52] <Vantrax> they dont really connect, but again, after the meeting we can talk more about that
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505 [00:28:09] <bodhizazen> I think we can mentor team members, and I hope the get on going mentoring in this channel
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507 [00:28:13] <Vantrax> lets get through, then revisit the classroom as its a rather popular topic, and some people have to leave
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509 [00:28:15] <cprofitt> lets move on -- I have obviously done a poor job of communicating the idea
510
511 [00:28:20] <cprofitt> I will take it to the mailing list
512
513 [00:28:26] <bodhizazen> and use classroom for classroom activities :)
514
515 [00:28:35] * cprofitt nods to bodhizazen
516
517 [00:28:38] <Vantrax> +1 bodhizazen
518
519 [00:28:47] <cprofitt> that was what I was trying to say...
520
521 [00:29:00] <Vantrax> just terminology fun eh
522
523 [00:29:29] <Bodsda> bodhizazen: next subject?
524
525 [00:29:32] <cprofitt> not really Vantrax but lets move on
526
527 [00:30:01] <Vantrax> we should really do an agenda for these:P
528
529 [00:30:07] <cprofitt> was the agenda not on the wiki?
530
531 [00:30:13] <nhandler> It is empty
532
533 [00:30:14] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
534
535 [00:30:19] <Bodsda> nothing :)
536
537 [00:30:23] <nhandler> Are there any member nominations that did not get added to the table?
538
539 [00:30:34] <jamesrfla> nhandler: maybe
540
541 [00:30:41] <Bodsda> are they here?
542
543 [00:30:51] <jamesrfla> hear but not at comp
544
545 [00:30:52] <bodhizazen> Can I turn the meeting over to nhandler please ?
546
547 [00:30:57] <jamesrfla> sure bodhizazen
548
549 [00:31:13] <JoshuaRL> bye bodhizazen
550
551 [00:31:14] <bodhizazen> I am franlky distracted by several new developments, you will know some of them in short order
552
553 [00:31:19] <jamesrfla> !ping | zu22
554
555 [00:31:19] <Votebot> zu22: jamesrfla, stop pinging already. We all heard you.
556
557 [00:31:22] <cprofitt> yes bodhizazen
558
559 [00:31:26] <Rocket2DMn> bodhizazen, :)
560
561 [00:31:32] <Bodsda> bodhizazen: have fun
562
563 [00:31:40] <nhandler> Are there any other new member nominations other than zu22 ?
564
565 [00:32:13] <jamesrfla> nhandler: he hasn't quiz but I nominate him
566
567 [00:32:29] <nhandler> jamesrfla: bodhizazen was talking earlier about doing away with the quiz
568
569 [00:32:41] <Vantrax> we have let people in without quiz previously
570
571 [00:32:42] <nhandler> .vote "Do you think we should still quiz new members?"
572
573 [00:32:43] <Votebot> We Are Now Voting On: Do you think we should still quiz new members?
574
575 [00:32:43] <Votebot> Vote with +1, -1, or 0
576
577 [00:32:43] <Votebot> You can also /msg Votebot your vote
578
579 [00:32:49] <Vantrax> +1
580
581 [00:32:53] <ibuclaw> +1
582
583 [00:32:55] <jamesrfla> 0
584
585 [00:32:55] <Bodsda> +1
586
587 [00:32:57] <Rocket2DMn> +1
588
589 [00:32:59] <JoshuaRL> +1
590
591 [00:33:01] <nhandler> 0
592
593 [00:33:04] <cprofitt> who are we voting on?
594
595 [00:33:07] <Joeb454> 0
596
597 [00:33:12] <Bodsda> 00:32] <+nhandler> .vote "Do you think we should still quiz new members?"
598
599 [00:33:14] <jamesrfla> cprofitt: Do you think we should still quiz new members?
600
601 [00:33:18] <Bodsda> cprofitt: ^^
602
603 [00:33:19] <cprofitt> 0
604
605 [00:33:22] <bodhizazen> 0
606
607 [00:33:26] <jamesrfla> lot of 0
608
609 [00:33:28] <nhandler> .vstatus
610
611 [00:33:29] <Votebot> 10 People Have Currently Voted.
612
613 [00:33:34] <jgoguen> +1
614
615 [00:33:38] <nhandler> Any more votes?
616
617 [00:33:42] <rraj_be> 0
618
619 [00:33:53] <nhandler> .vote
620
621 [00:33:53] <Votebot> We Are Done Voting On: Do you think we should still quiz new members?
622
623 [00:33:54] <Votebot> 12 People Voted. 6 People For. 0 People Against. 6 People Neutral.
624
625 [00:34:01] <jamesrfla> lol even
626
627 [00:34:07] <Bodsda> no, +6
628
629 [00:34:07] <rraj_be> :)
630
631 [00:34:12] <nhandler> Well, neutral votes don't block
632
633 [00:34:16] <Vantrax> i also think if two members support it, then we can bypass the vote
634
635 [00:34:28] <jamesrfla> +1 Vantrax
636
637 [00:34:35] <nhandler> I think the vote is good enough to do away with the quiz
638
639 [00:34:39] <jamesrfla> have 2 BT members nominate a new member
640
641 [00:34:53] <Rocket2DMn> Why go and start making exceptions to rules?
642
643 [00:34:56] <Bodsda> It always ends up as the vote decides anyway
644
645 [00:35:00] <Vantrax> true
646
647 [00:35:00] <JoshuaRL> Rocket2DMn: +1
648
649 [00:35:26] <Joeb454> nhandler: if there's time I would like to try and get an idea of who would be interested in IRC fg co-leadership
650
651 [00:35:35] <nhandler> Joeb454: Go ahead
652
653 [00:35:58] <bodhizazen> We shall keep the quiz then, but let us make it educational in it's purpose and not a barrier to membership
654
655 [00:36:02] <Joeb454> I know Bodsda said he may have time, is anybody else interested in it
656
657 [00:36:13] <jamesrfla> +1 bodhizazen
658
659 [00:36:15] <rraj_be> +1 Bod
660
661 [00:36:20] <jgoguen> bodhizazen: you said it better than I was going to :)
662
663 [00:36:21] <rraj_be> +1 bodhizazen
664
665 [00:36:25] <Joeb454> bodhizazen: the quiz can serve to see how soon somebody gets put up for membership imo
666
667 [00:36:31] <nhandler> bodhizazen: I personally would get rid of the quiz. A vote of 0 is not a block
668
669 [00:36:46] <cprofitt> nhandler, bodhizazen is BDFL
670
671 [00:36:53] <nhandler> If we keep it, it should just be used as an informal way to check a person's knowledge
672
673 [00:36:57] <jamesrfla> 0=voted but doesn't count
674
675 [00:36:58] <nhandler> cprofitt: lol
676
677 [00:37:36] <Bodsda> i think we are straying a bitm, we are on the subject of IRC co-lead
678
679 [00:37:50] <nhandler> Ok, Joeb454, go ahead
680
681 [00:38:18] <Joeb454> ok, so I know Bodsda said he may have time, but is there anybody else who would be interested in taking it on
682
683 [00:38:28] <Joeb454> if so let me know, and I'll discuss it with ajmorris :)
684
685 [00:38:48] * rraj_be is sorry for leaving in middle . . .but he's having only another 20 minutes to get out to college . . .
686
687 [00:38:59] <nhandler> I'm about to come onto some new responsibilities, so I can't help out with the IRC fg
688
689 [00:39:12] <Joeb454> no worries :)
690
691 [00:39:48] <JoshuaRL> Joeb454: what does that involve exactly?
692
693 [00:39:58] <bodhizazen> nhandler: congrats re: new responsibilities
694
695 [00:40:11] <Joeb454> JoshuaRL: honestly? I'm not sure
696
697 [00:40:12] * lukjad007 sneaks in late
698
699 [00:40:15] <Vantrax> I would, but aj and I are in the same timezone... id suggest someone from us/europe
700
701 [00:40:16] <nhandler> Thanks bodhizazen. For those of you who don't know: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+poll/tb-nh-2009/+vote-simple
702
703 [00:40:35] <Joeb454> JoshuaRL: Bodsda the plan I have atm is to get a list of people interested, speak to aj about it, and get back to you
704
705 [00:41:16] <JoshuaRL> nhandler: lp wont let me log in
706
707 [00:41:17] <Bodsda> Joeb454: sounds good to me :)
708
709 [00:41:26] <ibuclaw> Joeb454: what's this for?
710
711 [00:41:37] <nhandler> ibuclaw: IRC FG co-leader
712
713 [00:41:38] <JoshuaRL> Joeb454: i guess i am, ive got a little more time on my hands lately
714
715 [00:41:39] <Bodsda> ibuclaw: IRC fg co-lead
716
717 [00:41:40] <Vantrax> nhandler, is up for MOTU Council for anyone that cant get the link
718
719 [00:41:56] <ibuclaw> Joeb454: I may be interested
720
721 [00:41:56] <Bodsda> w00t go nhandler
722
723 [00:41:59] <JoshuaRL> nhandler: nice man!
724
725 [00:42:13] <Joeb454> ok so I have ibuclaw JoshuaRL and Bodsda...anybody else?
726
727 [00:42:16] <Vantrax> was also in the UNW... you guys should really read that...
728
729 [00:42:28] <nhandler> You mean UWN, right Vantrax ;)
730
731 [00:42:35] <JoshuaRL> ?
732
733 [00:42:40] <nhandler> !uwn
734
735 [00:42:41] <Votebot> The Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter may be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
736
737 [00:43:15] <Vantrax> yeah
738
739 [00:43:31] <nhandler> Are there any other topics to discuss?
740
741 [00:43:38] <cprofitt> not from me
742
743 [00:43:51] <Rocket2DMn> Nope...
744
745 [00:43:55] <Joeb454> nope
746
747 [00:43:56] <Bodsda> nope
748
749 [00:44:06] <st33med> nope
750
751 [00:44:16] <nhandler> Any other new members?
752
753 [00:44:28] <Bodsda> zu22: never got back to us
754
755 [00:44:35] <nhandler> Is he the only one?
756
757 [00:44:54] <Bodsda> as far as i know, no one is on the wiki as up for nom
758
759 [00:45:00] <nhandler> And would you like to vote on him even though he is not here? Or should we hold off?
760
761 [00:45:01] <JoshuaRL> swoody?
762
763 [00:45:25] <jamesrfla> Bodsda: yeah I am not sure what happened to him
764
765 [00:45:28] <Vantrax> I would like to see an increased attempt to support launchpad answers as it is generally the first point new users visit as its where the built in query app dumps too...
766
767 [00:45:28] <swoody> Joeb454 ?
768
769 [00:45:36] <Joeb454> swoody: ?
770
771 [00:45:39] <jamesrfla> he sent me a memo but he is here just not at his comp
772
773 [00:45:41] <nhandler> Vantrax: That is on my todo list for the LP fg
774
775 [00:45:49] <jamesrfla> !ping | zu22 again
776
777 [00:45:49] <Votebot> zu22 again: jamesrfla, stop pinging already. We all heard you.
778
779 [00:45:55] <Vantrax> nhandler, ill jump in and help on this one
780
781 [00:46:23] * Bodsda has to run away for a sec bbiab
782
783 [00:46:46] <nhandler> Well, if there is nothing left to discuss...
784
785 [00:46:51] <nhandler> .vote "End meeting early?"
786
787 [00:46:52] <Votebot> We Are Now Voting On: End meeting early?
788
789 [00:46:52] <Votebot> Vote with +1, -1, or 0
790
791 [00:46:52] <Votebot> You can also /msg Votebot your vote
792
793 [00:46:55] <bodhizazen> o?
794
795 [00:46:58] <bodhizazen> o/
796
797 [00:46:59] <st33med> orly?
798
799 [00:47:00] <bodhizazen> lol
800
801 [00:47:01] <nhandler> .vote
802
803 [00:47:02] <jamesrfla> 0
804
805 [00:47:02] <Votebot> We Are Done Voting On: End meeting early?
806
807 [00:47:02] <Votebot> 1 People Voted. 0 People For. 0 People Against. 1 People Neutral.
808
809 [00:47:08] <nhandler> bodhizazen: Go ahead
810
811 [00:47:13] <Rocket2DMn> early? the meetin is over when its over
812
813 [00:47:16] <JoshuaRL> are we not voting then?
814
815 [00:47:18] <bodhizazen> Any ubuntu members here ?
816
817 [00:47:19] * jamesrfla lost his question *****
818
819 [00:47:21] <nhandler> o/
820
821 [00:47:23] <Rocket2DMn> o/
822
823 [00:47:28] <jamesrfla> wants to be one bodhizazen
824
825 [00:47:32] <st33med> jamesrfla, you lost your question password?
826
827 [00:47:38] <st33med> o/
828
829 [00:47:40] <Rocket2DMn> hunter2
830
831 [00:47:41] <bodhizazen> If you wish , take a look at this page
832
833 [00:47:42] <JoshuaRL> st33med: hahaha
834
835 [00:47:43] <bodhizazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BodhiZazen
836
837 [00:47:50] <bodhizazen> At the bottom
838
839 [00:48:00] <jamesrfla> no st33med not sure what happened I will try it later
840
841 [00:48:00] <st33med> Oh Ubuntu members
842
843 [00:48:04] <nhandler> Awesome bodhizazen !
844
845 [00:48:10] * jamesrfla raises hand
846
847 [00:48:28] <nhandler> bodhizazen: When do testimonials need to be added by?
848
849 [00:48:34] <bodhizazen> If any ubuntu members would like to add a comment my understanding is it would be OK
850
851 [00:48:36] <JoshuaRL> wow!
852
853 [00:48:51] <st33med> Wait, what do you mean by Ubuntu members?
854
855 [00:48:55] <bodhizazen> I think it is a serious application though, so Ubuntu Members only please
856
857 [00:49:02] <bodhizazen> Others can add above if you wish
858
859 [00:49:06] <jamesrfla> st33med: can you send me the link so I can sign up for Ubuntu members
860
861 [00:49:13] <nhandler> st33med: @ubuntu.com email address ;)
862
863 [00:49:16] <bodhizazen> Please do not feel comments are in any way required
864
865 [00:49:32] <bodhizazen> :)
866
867 [00:49:39] <nhandler> bodhizazen: When do testimonials need to be added by?
868
869 [00:49:58] <bodhizazen> I do not know nhandler, no rush that I am aware of
870
871 [00:50:11] <nhandler> Ok, I'll get one written up by the end of the week then
872
873 [00:50:17] <bodhizazen> I think the intention was to ask the current staff for comments
874
875 [00:50:43] <bodhizazen> I am just bringing this information to everyone's attention as it is a public wiki page
876
877 [00:51:11] <Joeb454> bodhizazen: I know the page will come under scrutiny of the CC
878
879 [00:51:22] <Joeb454> and if I'm not mistaken isn't sabdfl on the CC?
880
881 [00:51:31] <nhandler> He is Joeb454
882
883 [00:51:36] <cprofitt> Well... I am 1/2 staff as I mod the NY forum area...
884
885 [00:51:38] <cprofitt> I guess...
886
887 [00:51:40] <cprofitt> yeah...
888
889 [00:51:44] <cprofitt> I will go with that
890
891 [00:51:51] <Joeb454> cprofitt: you're an ubuntu member too
892
893 [00:52:04] <Joeb454> if worst comes to worst, they'll just be moved by a current fc member
894
895 [00:52:10] <bodhizazen> Joeb454: yes, I need to update the page a little bit
896
897 [00:52:14] <Joeb454> haha
898
899 [00:52:14] <nhandler> Joeb454: https://edge.launchpad.net/~communitycouncil/+members
900
901 [00:52:55] <Joeb454> nhandler: I had no idea mike was on the CC as well
902
903 [00:53:00] <bodhizazen> I have to run for now
904
905 [00:53:09] <Joeb454> +1 it's nearly 1am
906
907 [00:53:10] <nhandler> Bye bodhizazen, and congrats!
908
909 [00:53:22] <bodhizazen> Thanks nhandler ;0
910
911 [00:53:24] <Joeb454> I need to shave, sleep, and wake up in 6.5 hors
912
913 [00:53:29] <Joeb454> hours as well :|
914
915 [00:53:32] <nhandler> I think now might be a good time to end the meeting (unless there are any other things to discuss)
916
917 [00:53:36] <JoshuaRL> bye Joeb454
918
919 [00:53:43] <ibuclaw> Joeb454: bye
920
921 [00:53:43] <jamesrfla> nhandler: I have one
922
923 [00:53:44] <Vantrax> speaking of, im going to the americas one to apply for membership on friday, finally, if anyone wants to put in a testimonial it would be great
924
925 [00:53:49] <nhandler> Go jamesrfla
926
927 [00:53:58] <Joeb454> later all
928
929 [00:53:59] <nhandler> Vantrax: ping me after the meeting
930
931 [00:54:04] <swoody> JoshuaRL, did you ping me?
932
933 [00:54:05] <Joeb454> Snova: stop reporting things :P
934
935 [00:54:06] <jamesrfla> Anybody have any ideas for my votebot factoid?
936
937 [00:54:31] <Snova> Hmpf. I was going go say something to Joeb454...
938
939 [00:54:34] <st33med> I would want to become an Ubuntu Member, how do i become one...
940
941 [00:54:39] <cprofitt> jamesrfla, I would say -- a man who proves that hard work pays off!
942
943 [00:54:42] <Snova> Speaking of reports, the first one is backwards.
944
945 [00:54:44] <nhandler> !membership | st33med
946
947 [00:54:45] <Votebot> st33med: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
948
949 [00:54:52] <Snova> In case anyone of concern is listening. ;)
950
951 [00:54:53] <Vantrax> st33med, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
952
953 [00:55:04] <JoshuaRL> swoody: you have PM
954
955 [00:55:09] <jamesrfla> good one cprofitt
956
957 [00:56:01] <jamesrfla> anybody else have any ideas for my factiod? Thought it might be best to ask the team because I have no clue
958
959 [00:56:10] <ibuclaw> nhandler: oh, and before I forget !botabuse needs updating :)
960
961 [00:56:15] <cprofitt> well.. after that we could just say...
962
963 [00:56:18] <nhandler> !botabuse
964
965 [00:56:18] <Votebot> Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid".
966
967 [00:56:20] <cprofitt> "I have no clue"
968
969 [00:56:42] <Snova> ibuclaw: :)
970
971 [00:56:46] <ibuclaw> Snova: :D
972
973 [00:56:49] <jamesrfla> Hi Neo_The_User
974
975 [00:56:50] <JoshuaRL> jamesrfla: one for me: He's dead sexy. Your mom thinks so.
976
977 [00:56:56] <Neo_The_User> Hello.
978
979 [00:57:00] <jamesrfla> um.........
980
981 [00:57:04] <jgoguen> o_O
982
983 [00:57:06] <nhandler> .addFactoid jamesrfla|He's dead sexy. Your mom thinks so.
984
985 [00:57:07] <Votebot> Factoid "jamesrfla" with Response "He's dead sexy. Your mom thinks so." Added!
986
987 [00:57:14] <jamesrfla> wait what....
988
989 [00:57:17] <ibuclaw> haha
990
991 [00:57:24] * ibuclaw high fives nhandler
992
993 [00:57:24] <jgoguen> :D
994
995 [00:57:36] <Neo_The_User> I was invited by bodi.zazen
996
997 [00:57:44] <ibuclaw> hey Neo_The_User!
998
999 [00:57:45] <Neo_The_User> *bodhi
1000
1001 [00:57:48] <nhandler> Neo_The_User: Glad you showed up
1002
1003 [00:57:48] <cprofitt> just do not drink the coffee with the 'nutty' flavour
1004
1005 [00:57:50] <jamesrfla> nhandler: A man who proves that hard work pays off!
1006
1007 [00:58:01] <ibuclaw> welcome to the Beginners Team
1008
1009 [00:58:02] <nhandler> Neo_The_User: bodhi wanted us to explain the team to you
1010
1011 [00:58:15] <Neo_The_User> Who is bodhi in this channel if I may ask...
1012
1013 [00:58:16] <nhandler> Someone want to do the honors?
1014
1015 [00:58:24] <Snova> Neo_The_User: He's not here at the moment.
1016
1017 [00:58:24] <jamesrfla> Neo_The_User: he left
1018
1019 [00:58:39] <Bodsda> !bodhi | Neo_The_User
1020
1021 [00:58:39] <Votebot> Neo_The_User: Factoid bodhi not found
1022
1023 [00:58:47] <Bodsda> !bodhizazen
1024
1025 [00:58:47] <lukjad007> Bye all.
1026
1027 [00:58:47] <nhandler> !bodhizazen | Neo_The_User
1028
1029 [00:58:47] <Votebot> The almighty channel master of the Beginners Team.
1030
1031 [00:58:48] <Votebot> Neo_The_User: The almighty channel master of the Beginners Team.
1032
1033 [00:58:48] <ibuclaw> !fail > Bodsda
1034
1035 [00:58:53] <jamesrfla> !jamesrfla
1036
1037 [00:58:54] <Votebot> He's dead sexy. Your mom thinks so.
1038
1039 [00:58:56] <jamesrfla> dam
1040
1041 [00:58:59] <nhandler> .factoids
1042
1043 [00:58:59] <Votebot> Factoids have been disabled.
1044
1045 [00:59:03] <Bodsda> lol
1046
1047 [00:59:07] <jamesrfla> +1 nhandler
1048
1049 [00:59:08] <nhandler> I think we can end the meeting
1050
1051 [00:59:15] <ibuclaw> agreed
1052
1053 [00:59:18] <jamesrfla> sure nhandler
1054
1055 [00:59:20] <nhandler> .vote "End meeting?"
1056
1057 [00:59:21] <Votebot> We Are Now Voting On: End meeting?
1058
1059 [00:59:21] <Votebot> Vote with +1, -1, or 0
1060
1061 [00:59:21] <Votebot> You can also /msg Votebot your vote
1062
1063 [00:59:24] <ibuclaw> +1
1064
1065 [00:59:25] <jamesrfla> I secound the motion
1066
1067 [00:59:25] <Snova> +1
1068
1069 [00:59:29] <st33med> +1
1070
1071 [00:59:34] <Neo_The_User> +1
1072
1073 [00:59:35] <nhandler> +1
1074
1075 [00:59:39] <jgoguen> +1
1076
1077 [00:59:44] <st33med> Anybody think I could join Ubuntu Members?
1078
1079 [00:59:54] <nhandler> st33med: I do
1080
1081 [00:59:56] <jamesrfla> +1 I guess but I want my thing changed nhandler something appropriate
1082
1083 [00:59:57] <ibuclaw> st33med: never :D
1084
1085 [00:59:57] <nhandler> .vstatus
1086
1087 [00:59:58] <Votebot> 5 People Have Currently Voted.
1088
1089 [01:00:03] <jamesrfla> +1
1090
1091 [01:00:04] * st33med slaps ibuclaw
1092
1093 [01:00:11] <nhandler> .vote
1094
1095 [01:00:12] <Votebot> We Are Done Voting On: End meeting?
1096
1097 [01:00:12] <Votebot> 6 People Voted. 6 People For. 0 People Against. 0 People Neutral.
1098
1099 [01:00:17] <ibuclaw> -1
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1101 [01:00:26] <nhandler> What do you want to discuss ibuclaw ?
1102
1103 [01:00:52] <ibuclaw> nhandler: nothing in particular ... just thought I might go on a mutiny
1104
1105 [01:00:54] * jamesrfla can't do the Ubuntu membership :(
1106
1107 [01:01:02] <nhandler> Ok, then this meeting is over