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[Tues Jun 2 23:12:41] <bodhi_zazen> Votebot: ready ? [Tues Jun 2 23:13:10] <bodhi_zazen> let us announce on #ubuntu-meeting :) [Tues Jun 2 23:13:24] <Ash_R> okay bodhi_zazen [Tues Jun 2 23:13:25] <nhandler> I can do that bodhizazen [Tues Jun 2 23:13:36] <nhandler> Or you can ;) [Tues Jun 2 23:13:47] <Hellow> lol [Tues Jun 2 23:13:50] <bodhi_zazen> everyone here ? [Tues Jun 2 23:13:52] <Rocket2DMn> are we holding the meeting here? [Tues Jun 2 23:13:54] <Hellow> yep [Tues Jun 2 23:14:0] <Rocket2DMn> ok [Tues Jun 2 23:14:4] <bodhi_zazen> yes Rocket2DMn [Tues Jun 2 23:14:37] <bodhi_zazen> First, I apologize to the team, I have been busy the last few weeks [Tues Jun 2 23:14:53] <bodhi_zazen> Setting up a new server takes time :) [Tues Jun 2 23:14:57] <bodhi_zazen> and I have family too [Tues Jun 2 23:15:17] <thewrath> understandable bodhi [Tues Jun 2 23:15:18] <swoody> No apology needed bodhi_zazen :) [Tues Jun 2 23:15:19] <bodhi_zazen> The new server is mostly done, so I hope to be more available [Tues Jun 2 23:15:32] <nhandler> Glad to hear that bodhi_zazen [Tues Jun 2 23:16:2] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to interject an item for the team to consider :) [Tues Jun 2 23:16:20] <bodhi_zazen> we have been asked to consider changing our name - by members of teh CC [Tues Jun 2 23:16:43] <nhandler> notes that this has been on the BT agenda before [Tues Jun 2 23:16:49] <bodhi_zazen> to something that encompasses the work we do , not only on the forums, but for the greater community [Tues Jun 2 23:16:57] <Vantrax> last time we had this come up we did vote for a change, however the bt council overruled it [Tues Jun 2 23:17:2] <bodhi_zazen> So, let us re-consider [Tues Jun 2 23:17:12] <Hellow> Ubuntu Beginners Team? [Tues Jun 2 23:17:13] <bodhi_zazen> we would need to update LP and wiki pages :) [Tues Jun 2 23:17:16] <Vantrax> we voted to change to UBT [Tues Jun 2 23:17:18] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, did they wnat to take out the Beginners part? [Tues Jun 2 23:17:28] <bodhi_zazen> no, forums Rocket2DMn [Tues Jun 2 23:17:36] <bodhi_zazen> but I want to take out beginners [Tues Jun 2 23:17:42] <swoody> is there any specific name in mind they wanted to change to? Or is that still open to ideas? [Tues Jun 2 23:17:42] <Rocket2DMn> understood [Tues Jun 2 23:17:44] <Ash_R> can we hear the argument for and against please? [Tues Jun 2 23:17:44] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Mentoring team ? [Tues Jun 2 23:17:50] <Vantrax> They felt, and i agree, that the forums part is misleading based on our current role [Tues Jun 2 23:17:54] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: We aren't really mentoring [Tues Jun 2 23:18:3] <Rocket2DMn> I dont think we cn use Mentoring or Learning [Tues Jun 2 23:18:14] <bodhi_zazen> for and aginst what Ash_R ? [Tues Jun 2 23:18:14] <Vantrax> Education is out due to Edubuntu [Tues Jun 2 23:18:17] <nhandler> Maybe consider using the word Help instead of Beginners [Tues Jun 2 23:18:30] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Helping team ? [Tues Jun 2 23:18:31] <Hellow> I say we keep Beginners in our name; it still encompasses our role in the community well [Tues Jun 2 23:18:31] <bodhi_zazen> lol [Tues Jun 2 23:18:34] <Vantrax> +1 nhander [Tues Jun 2 23:18:40] <Vantrax> Ubuntu Help Team:P [Tues Jun 2 23:18:42] <swoody> Ubuntu Tech Support? [Tues Jun 2 23:18:49] <thewrath> Hellow: +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:18:50] <nhandler> swoody: No. We aren't tech support [Tues Jun 2 23:18:52] <Vantrax> oh no... dont go ther [Tues Jun 2 23:18:53] <Rocket2DMn> we do more than help users, too [Tues Jun 2 23:18:58] <Ash_R> I think beginners is what we specialise in helping. it should say so in our name [Tues Jun 2 23:19:0] <nhandler> I also don't like the way Ubuntu Help/Helping team sounds [Tues Jun 2 23:19:12] <Vantrax> I still call for Ubuntu Beginners Team [Tues Jun 2 23:19:16] <nhandler> My vote is for Ubuntu Beginners Team [Tues Jun 2 23:19:18] <Hellow> As do I [Tues Jun 2 23:19:21] <Ash_R> me too [Tues Jun 2 23:19:39] <Rocket2DMn> I don't think we need to decide today, but at least we can hear ideas [Tues Jun 2 23:19:42] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to decide this issue today ? [Tues Jun 2 23:19:49] <Vantrax> that being said, i am and work and have to duck out for 10 min [Tues Jun 2 23:19:54] <bodhi_zazen> or take suggestions and vote later ? [Tues Jun 2 23:20:3] <Ash_R> i have the time to discuss [Tues Jun 2 23:20:9] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: I don't think we have enough people here to make a decission this big [Tues Jun 2 23:20:10] <thewrath> does everyone have their opinion on this or are those here that are undecided? [Tues Jun 2 23:20:13] <Vantrax> its been decided here before bodhi [Tues Jun 2 23:20:16] <bodhi_zazen> +1 nhandler [Tues Jun 2 23:20:24] <thewrath> Vantrax: +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:27] <thewrath> nhandler: +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:20:37] <nhandler> I also think the council should have a meeting about it as well [Tues Jun 2 23:20:43] <Hellow> Discussion for this would be more efficient on the mailing list than in here [Tues Jun 2 23:20:47] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: the last time we decided we went with UFBT [Tues Jun 2 23:20:47] <Rocket2DMn> I am undecided, I need to see some options to choose from [Tues Jun 2 23:21:3] <Ash_R> what if we had a list of options, if we really must change the name? [Tues Jun 2 23:21:21] <Vantrax> no bodhi_zazen the last time we went with UBT, and the council voted to keep UFBT and it stayed the same [Tues Jun 2 23:21:23] <bodhi_zazen> mailing list is OK, so long as it is discussed, otherwise ? wiki page [Tues Jun 2 23:21:31] <Vantrax> the vote by the team was UBT [Tues Jun 2 23:21:31] <swoody> I am in favor of removing the 'Forums' from our name as well. But would be open to see other suggestions as well. [Tues Jun 2 23:21:34] <Rocket2DMn> Let us also consider that this is a request, they aren't telling us to change our name, are they? [Tues Jun 2 23:21:49] <Hellow> Ash_R: I am fairly sure the majority of the team is in support of Ubuntu Beginners Team, but the entire team isnt here to discuss it. [Tues Jun 2 23:21:50] <bodhi_zazen> no Rocket2DMn , it is a request [Tues Jun 2 23:22:8] <bodhi_zazen> I am not so sure I agree Hellow [Tues Jun 2 23:22:13] <Ash_R> what is the motive behind the request bodhi_zazen [Tues Jun 2 23:22:17] <bodhi_zazen> I think the majority of the team prefers UFBT [Tues Jun 2 23:22:24] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: If we had to change our name [Tues Jun 2 23:22:32] <Hellow> I prefer UFBT myself too [Tues Jun 2 23:22:37] <nhandler> Ash_R: Because we are trying to replace other teams and expand, so we are not just forums based [Tues Jun 2 23:22:45] <bodhi_zazen> Ash_R: the motive is to have the name of the team reflect the fact we are active outside of the forums [Tues Jun 2 23:22:57] <Hellow> (which we are) [Tues Jun 2 23:23:2] <Rocket2DMn> I would think that the logical step would be to go with Ubuntu Beginners Team if we do change. If you want something different, then are you also proposing tht we change our team's mission? [Tues Jun 2 23:23:16] <duanedesign> Rocket2DMn: +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:23:26] <Ash_R> +1 Rocket2DMn [Tues Jun 2 23:23:30] <yvan300> Rocket2DMn: that is a good point [Tues Jun 2 23:23:30] <Rocket2DMn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/MissionStatement [Tues Jun 2 23:23:32] <bodhi_zazen> no Rocket2DMn :) [Tues Jun 2 23:23:53] <bodhi_zazen> It is just that I am saying how is it we help beginners ? [Tues Jun 2 23:24:25] <Rocket2DMn> Well, on the forums we focus on the ABT section of the forums [Tues Jun 2 23:24:32] <drs305> Ubuntu Assistance Team [Tues Jun 2 23:24:37] <Rocket2DMn> tht's the idea anyway, though we do cover most areas of the forums in reality [Tues Jun 2 23:24:47] <nhandler> drubin: That might get confused with Accessibility [Tues Jun 2 23:25:11] <nhandler> * drs305 [Tues Jun 2 23:25:11] <bodhi_zazen> NUT [Tues Jun 2 23:25:16] <bodhi_zazen> Uew Users Team [Tues Jun 2 23:25:25] <bodhi_zazen> New Users Team, lol [Tues Jun 2 23:25:28] <Rocket2DMn> Besides, what do we define as a "beginner"? Somebody can have used Ubuntu for years, but if they are new to something else, like a new program, they are a beginner for using that program [Tues Jun 2 23:25:38] <Ash_R> what is the difference between a beginner and a new user? [Tues Jun 2 23:25:42] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: What if the users aren't new, just inexperienced in Linux? [Tues Jun 2 23:25:45] <swoody> bodhi_zazen: I think that may get confused with the now dead New User Network [Tues Jun 2 23:25:54] <duanedesign> continuing education team :) [Tues Jun 2 23:25:55] <bodhi_zazen> New To Ubuntu [Tues Jun 2 23:25:59] <Ash_R> are we just changing words? [Tues Jun 2 23:26:17] <Rocket2DMn> I would -1 changing words [Tues Jun 2 23:26:23] <Ash_R> +1 Rocket2DMn [Tues Jun 2 23:26:27] <Hellow> +1 Rocket2DMn [Tues Jun 2 23:26:49] <Rocket2DMn> We are known throughout the community as the Beginners Team (even without the Forums part of the title). We use this name everything - wiki, lp, forums, mailing lists, etc [Tues Jun 2 23:26:57] <bodhi_zazen> well, that leaves UFBT or UBT or just BT or UT [Tues Jun 2 23:27:10] <Rocket2DMn> UT? [Tues Jun 2 23:27:14] <Hellow> Ubuntu Team? [Tues Jun 2 23:27:17] <Ash_R> i like beginners team. its short and straight to the point [Tues Jun 2 23:27:17] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Team [Tues Jun 2 23:27:22] <drs305> UBT [Tues Jun 2 23:27:24] <swoody> +1 for UBT [Tues Jun 2 23:27:30] <jgoguen> +1 UBT [Tues Jun 2 23:27:32] <Hellow> +1 UBT [Tues Jun 2 23:27:32] <bodhi_zazen> UBN [Tues Jun 2 23:27:33] <Rocket2DMn> I would vote for UBT or just BT [Tues Jun 2 23:27:42] <thewrath> i say UBT [Tues Jun 2 23:27:45] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Beginners Network ? [Tues Jun 2 23:27:47] <thewrath> then they know wat beginner tema it is [Tues Jun 2 23:27:52] <thewrath> bodhi_zazen: +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:28:9] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: Yet we are not a network, we are a team :). [Tues Jun 2 23:28:12] <Rocket2DMn> +1 thewrath , other teams also use Ubuntu in their titles [Tues Jun 2 23:28:19] <swoody> Hellow +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:28:38] <Rocket2DMn> that's a good point Hellow , a network is only loosely connected, we are well organized [Tues Jun 2 23:28:41] <bodhi_zazen> Well we are a netwrok as we coordinate on forums, wiki, LP, etx [Tues Jun 2 23:29:5] <swoody> I think we do 'network' but I think we *are* a team [Tues Jun 2 23:29:15] <bodhi_zazen> UBT is sounding like the winner ;) [Tues Jun 2 23:29:21] <Rocket2DMn> I tend to think of a "network" of individuals as just people who know eachother as contacts, but dont necessarily work together [Tues Jun 2 23:29:30] <Ash_R> i agree with bodhi_zazen , though do not like the idea of network in the name, we are a team at heart [Tues Jun 2 23:29:31] <Rocket2DMn> just my .02 [Tues Jun 2 23:29:43] <duanedesign> Beginners Education Team [Tues Jun 2 23:29:50] <Hellow> A team, in my eyes, is a group of people that focus on a specific topic or many specific topics. A Network is basically like what Rocket2DMn said. [Tues Jun 2 23:30:6] <Hellow> duanedesign: That would be too close to the existing Education Team. [Tues Jun 2 23:30:9] <nhandler> duanedesign: That is more like what our Education FG / UCLP is [Tues Jun 2 23:30:20] <Ash_R> i think in nearly all team names suggested 2 common words keep cropping up. beginners and team [Tues Jun 2 23:30:51] <bodhi_zazen> which leaves us with UBT [Tues Jun 2 23:31:10] <bodhi_zazen> We could be a task force =) [Tues Jun 2 23:31:15] <Hellow> lol [Tues Jun 2 23:31:18] <nhandler> Are there any other suggestions? Or are we just debating whether to stay with UFBT or change to UBT? [Tues Jun 2 23:31:21] <Rocket2DMn> lol bodhi_zazen [Tues Jun 2 23:31:23] <Hellow> "Ubuntu Beginners Task Force" [Tues Jun 2 23:31:29] <Hellow> That would be a fun one [Tues Jun 2 23:31:30] <Vantrax> okies, im back [Tues Jun 2 23:31:42] <thewrath> Hellow: +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:31:45] <Ash_R> what does the community know us as? should we not stick to what they know us as? [Tues Jun 2 23:31:46] <bodhi_zazen> I think the real debase is UFBT vs UTB [Tues Jun 2 23:32:0] <Hellow> We go beyond the forums [Tues Jun 2 23:32:5] <drs305> UBT [Tues Jun 2 23:32:8] <Hellow> Forums should not be a part of our name [Tues Jun 2 23:32:8] <swoody> Squad, Company, Organization, Troop, Outfit, Federation, Crew...? [Tues Jun 2 23:32:15] <Hellow> UBT has my vote [Tues Jun 2 23:32:17] <bodhi_zazen> community knows us as the steam roller Ash_R [Tues Jun 2 23:32:26] <duanedesign> +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:32:27] <Rocket2DMn> lol! [Tues Jun 2 23:32:29] <Ash_R> nice bodhi_zazen :) [Tues Jun 2 23:32:43] <Ash_R> but you understand my point [Tues Jun 2 23:32:45] <Rocket2DMn> we're like goo, we just ooze into other areas of the community [Tues Jun 2 23:33:4] <duanedesign> lol [Tues Jun 2 23:33:41] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to vote on this topic ? [Tues Jun 2 23:33:44] <Rocket2DMn> Should we setup a LP vote or vote now? [Tues Jun 2 23:34:5] <duanedesign> Re-Education Team [Tues Jun 2 23:34:10] <Vantrax> I think we should vote, but the result is pretty clear [Tues Jun 2 23:34:11] <Hellow> I think we may need to discuss this more, not everyone is here, and we need everyone's opinion on this. [Tues Jun 2 23:34:20] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: Do you think we have enough people here to really vote? [Tues Jun 2 23:34:27] <swoody> +1 for a vote, I don't think removing 'Forums' will cause anyone too much distress [Tues Jun 2 23:34:31] <bodhi_zazen> +1 on further discussion, vote in say 2 weeks ? [Tues Jun 2 23:34:31] <Rocket2DMn> I'm ok with delaying a vote or putting it on LP and mailing the list [Tues Jun 2 23:34:44] <Hellow> 2 weeks sounds good [Tues Jun 2 23:35:7] <nhandler> .vote "+1 Vote Now -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks" [Tues Jun 2 23:35:7] <Votebot> We Are Now Voting On: +1 Vote Now -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks [Tues Jun 2 23:35:7] <Votebot> Vote with +1, -1, or 0 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:7] <Votebot> You can also /msg Votebot your vote [Tues Jun 2 23:35:12] <Ash_R> i am happt to vote now, but realise that some members are not present [Tues Jun 2 23:35:15] <Hellow> -1 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:15] <nhandler> -1 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:18] <Rocket2DMn> 0 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:20] <swoody> +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:21] <Ash_R> 0 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:28] <bodhi_zazen> -1 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:30] <ibuclaw> 0 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:35] <drs305> +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:35] <duanedesign> +1 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:43] <yvan300> 0 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:43] <TuxPurple> 0 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:43] <Wiebelhaus1> May I ask what your voting on? [Tues Jun 2 23:35:45] <bodhi_zazen> wants the team to be involved in this decision ;) [Tues Jun 2 23:35:48] <sdennie> 0 [Tues Jun 2 23:35:52] <Hellow> agrees with bodhi [Tues Jun 2 23:35:57] <nhandler> Wiebelhaus1: Whether or not to delay the vote on the name change [Tues Jun 2 23:36:7] <Wiebelhaus1> Thanks mate. [Tues Jun 2 23:36:8] <nhandler> .vote [Tues Jun 2 23:36:8] <Votebot> We Are Done Voting On: +1 Vote Now -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks [Tues Jun 2 23:36:8] <Votebot> 11 People Voted. 3 People For. 3 People Against. 5 People Neutral. [Tues Jun 2 23:36:13] <Hellow> lol [Tues Jun 2 23:36:21] <swoody> haha [Tues Jun 2 23:36:25] <yvan300> draw [Tues Jun 2 23:36:25] <bodhi_zazen> that means bodhi decides :) [Tues Jun 2 23:36:27] <jorgerosa> hello all [Tues Jun 2 23:36:32] <Hellow> I think we should delay it [Tues Jun 2 23:36:33] <jorgerosa> what are you vonting? [Tues Jun 2 23:36:34] <TuxPurple> ubuntu all-rounder team :P [Tues Jun 2 23:36:37] <yvan300> lets do a recount [Tues Jun 2 23:36:37] <bodhi_zazen> I say discuss and vote in 2 weeks [Tues Jun 2 23:36:38] <Ash_R> what does bodhi_zazen think? [Tues Jun 2 23:36:48] <drs305> I will change to delay if you wish. [Tues Jun 2 23:36:55] <bodhi_zazen> I think we need time for suggestions [Tues Jun 2 23:37:1] <duanedesign> if makes a diiference I thought +1 was to delay 2 weeks [Tues Jun 2 23:37:1] <drs305> fine with me, [Tues Jun 2 23:37:2] <Hellow> +1 bodhi_zazen [Tues Jun 2 23:37:15] <Ash_R> where can we post suggestions? [Tues Jun 2 23:37:26] <Vantrax> i think we should make a wiki page for names [Tues Jun 2 23:37:30] <Rocket2DMn> Let's have bodhi_zazen start a mailing list thread [Tues Jun 2 23:37:31] <bodhi_zazen> OK discussion > mailing list | wiki page [Tues Jun 2 23:37:31] <Hellow> Mailing list? I'll get that stared after the meeting if yall wish. [Tues Jun 2 23:37:51] <Rocket2DMn> a wiki page is difficult to deal with for a whole team, i think mailing list + a LP vote is better [Tues Jun 2 23:37:56] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: We decided that the Mailing List should be used for agenda item discussions [Tues Jun 2 23:38:0] <bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn: I like wiki page, people can leave comments, easier to read [Tues Jun 2 23:38:15] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, forums work best for that [Tues Jun 2 23:38:15] <bodhi_zazen> LOL [Tues Jun 2 23:38:38] <bodhi_zazen> mailing list ? [Tues Jun 2 23:38:47] <Hellow> +1 on mailing list [Tues Jun 2 23:39:1] <Hellow> and use the wiki for names suggested [Tues Jun 2 23:39:3] <Rocket2DMn> +1 mailist list [Tues Jun 2 23:39:18] <bodhi_zazen> ok, mailing list it is then :) [Tues Jun 2 23:40:14] <Rocket2DMn> ok, lets move on [Tues Jun 2 23:40:16] <bodhi_zazen> Next item - Python - Hellow [Tues Jun 2 23:40:26] <Hellow> alrighty [Tues Jun 2 23:40:31] <Vantrax> PYTHON!!! [Tues Jun 2 23:40:31] <Votebot> PERL!!! [Tues Jun 2 23:40:44] <duanedesign> lol [Tues Jun 2 23:40:44] <ibuclaw> D!!! >:) [Tues Jun 2 23:40:48] <Hellow> LeAstrale started a sort of "Quest for Python" [Tues Jun 2 23:40:49] <Vantrax> had to be done [Tues Jun 2 23:40:55] <Ash_R> can we please stay on topic? [Tues Jun 2 23:41:48] <Hellow> We are basically helping each other to learn python, using the book "A byte of python" by Swaroop C H. [Tues Jun 2 23:41:51] <bodhi_zazen> Hellow: is this an issue for the team or just an announcement ? [Tues Jun 2 23:41:54] <Hellow> (sorry for the delay) [Tues Jun 2 23:41:57] <Hellow> An announcement [Tues Jun 2 23:42:4] <bodhi_zazen> is the book available on line ? [Tues Jun 2 23:42:6] <jimi_hendrix> whats going on? [Tues Jun 2 23:42:8] <bodhi_zazen> linky ? [Tues Jun 2 23:42:12] <Hellow> Yes, its a free-to-download book [Tues Jun 2 23:42:15] <Hellow> hold on [Tues Jun 2 23:42:47] <ibuclaw> bodhi_zazen, to my understanding, this is going to be revolved around the beginners-dev team. [Tues Jun 2 23:42:59] <JanC> and there are several other free python books on-line... [Tues Jun 2 23:43:12] <bodhi_zazen> Unless there is a need for discussion I say we move on w/ linky to be posted :) [Tues Jun 2 23:43:30] <Ash_R> ibuclaw, thats interesting. i am not planning to join that team yet, though i am still interested [Tues Jun 2 23:43:32] <swoody> Link to book through Google Docs: http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=F.a3b74a68-ecd7-4372-adc2-ab9abbbc1204 [Tues Jun 2 23:43:38] <bodhi_zazen> which bring up .... [Tues Jun 2 23:43:47] <bodhi_zazen> new members ? [Tues Jun 2 23:43:58] <nhandler> Team Report Reflection [Tues Jun 2 23:44:2] <bodhi_zazen> or is there anything to report from the FG ? [Tues Jun 2 23:44:2] <Hellow> I dont think we have any [Tues Jun 2 23:44:38] <bodhi_zazen> swoody: that link is no good :) [Tues Jun 2 23:44:46] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: who is doing team report ? [Tues Jun 2 23:45:0] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: This is a discussion item I would like to bring up [Tues Jun 2 23:45:8] <Vantrax> Edu FG has news doesnt it bodhi... [Tues Jun 2 23:45:36] <swoody> Actual link for 'A Byte of Python': http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/Python [Tues Jun 2 23:45:40] <Hellow> For reference, the book is located here (in HTML): http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/ [Tues Jun 2 23:46:4] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: news from Edu FG ? [Tues Jun 2 23:46:11] <bodhi_zazen> we went b4 the CC today [Tues Jun 2 23:46:23] <bodhi_zazen> to announce our UCLP project [Tues Jun 2 23:46:24] <Vantrax> and they love us:P [Tues Jun 2 23:46:28] <bodhi_zazen> welcome dinda :) [Tues Jun 2 23:46:43] <bodhi_zazen> LOL [Tues Jun 2 23:46:53] <dinda> couldn't find the channel - you mistyped it in the meeting room [Tues Jun 2 23:46:57] <bodhi_zazen> they wanted to know why we were there is more like it [Tues Jun 2 23:47:6] <nhandler> dinda: JanC corrected him shortly after ;) [Tues Jun 2 23:47:7] <bodhi_zazen> Oh, sorry dinda :( [Tues Jun 2 23:47:15] <Hellow> LOL bodhi_zazen [Tues Jun 2 23:47:38] <bodhi_zazen> thought everyone knew this channel =) [Tues Jun 2 23:47:40] <Ash_R> welcome w4ett [Tues Jun 2 23:48:6] <JanC> nhandler: whic hwas the reason why I corrected it publicly ;) [Tues Jun 2 23:48:11] <Vantrax> sorry dinda [Tues Jun 2 23:48:18] <bodhi_zazen> We are going to theme the moodle site, although I may want to change over to apache and mysql [Tues Jun 2 23:48:28] <bodhi_zazen> if anyone has an opinion, talk to me later [Tues Jun 2 23:48:48] <Vantrax> if anyone has mad css/gimp skills see me later:P [Tues Jun 2 23:48:50] <bodhi_zazen> right now I am running lighttp + postgre [Tues Jun 2 23:48:53] <JanC> which wasn't good enough apparently :-/ [Tues Jun 2 23:48:58] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, do you have a link at hand? [Tues Jun 2 23:49:14] <bodhi_zazen> link for what Ash_R ? [Tues Jun 2 23:49:23] <bodhi_zazen> http://learn.ufbt.net/ [Tues Jun 2 23:49:25] <Ash_R> the moodle site [Tues Jun 2 23:49:29] <bodhi_zazen> ^^ [Tues Jun 2 23:49:32] <Ash_R> thank you [Tues Jun 2 23:49:35] <bodhi_zazen> np [Tues Jun 2 23:49:46] <nhandler> o/ [Tues Jun 2 23:49:52] <bodhi_zazen> go nhandler :) [Tues Jun 2 23:49:55] <nhandler> We have been doing team reporting for about a month. I want to get the team's opinions about the stuff that we have been including or about the reports in general. Any suggestions / comments? [Tues Jun 2 23:50:3] <bodhi_zazen> I was going to ask , any other FG ? [Tues Jun 2 23:50:22] <nhandler> has to run to dinner and wanted to get that out there [Tues Jun 2 23:50:26] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: I have not had time to read it, lol [Tues Jun 2 23:50:27] <nhandler> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReports [Tues Jun 2 23:50:39] <bodhi_zazen> Ash_R: log in with openid, use your LP account [Tues Jun 2 23:50:48] <Ash_R> has paul tag said anything about IRC focus group? [Tues Jun 2 23:51:2] <Ash_R> time zones playing havoc and all that [Tues Jun 2 23:51:50] <bodhi_zazen> very nice nhandler :) [Tues Jun 2 23:52:2] <bodhi_zazen> no Ash_R , any news ? [Tues Jun 2 23:52:25] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, for team reports, can you email the list a bit in advance of when reports are due so FGs can update the page? [Tues Jun 2 23:52:41] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, not as such. i know he took over from Joeb454 as a part lead. i was curious to see if i have missed anything [Tues Jun 2 23:52:54] <bodhi_zazen> kk [Tues Jun 2 23:53:29] <bodhi_zazen> the education FG will be looking to add content to the UCLP site in the near future :) [Tues Jun 2 23:53:50] <bodhi_zazen> I think that is about all we have for the meeting this month [Tues Jun 2 23:53:55] <bodhi_zazen> any other issues ? [Tues Jun 2 23:53:58] <bodhi_zazen> questions ? [Tues Jun 2 23:54:44] <bodhi_zazen> I have one final issue then :) [Tues Jun 2 23:54:54] <bodhi_zazen> let us say behavior on this channel [Tues Jun 2 23:55:4] <bodhi_zazen> first, thank you to everyone for improving [Tues Jun 2 23:55:26] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to remind people, we have a diverse group now [Tues Jun 2 23:55:54] <bodhi_zazen> some people ( bodhi_zazen ) are old (farts) and mature [Tues Jun 2 23:55:59] <Vantrax> just wait till compiledkernel shows up [Tues Jun 2 23:56:1] <bodhi_zazen> others are younger [Tues Jun 2 23:56:22] <Hellow> Vantrax: dont say that word :P [Tues Jun 2 23:56:31] <Vantrax> <- some are somewhere in the middle [Tues Jun 2 23:56:36] <bodhi_zazen> I know the younger ones take a little more time sometimes, please direct them to me if then need some guidence [Tues Jun 2 23:56:53] <Hellow> <- and some are the complete opposite of old [Tues Jun 2 23:56:59] <bodhi_zazen> or if there are other members willing to mentor young ones let me know [Tues Jun 2 23:57:9] <yvan300> bodhi_zazen: what's that i hear about younger ones? [Tues Jun 2 23:57:9] <jgoguen> Hellow: youngster :P [Tues Jun 2 23:57:16] <Hellow> jgoguen: yep :P [Tues Jun 2 23:57:16] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: what do you mean by guidance? ;) [Tues Jun 2 23:57:22] <Vantrax> if your in the asia pacific timezone and need a mentor come see me:P [Tues Jun 2 23:57:32] <Ash_R> i would not mind bodhi_zazen , but i do not feel qualified. [Tues Jun 2 23:57:37] <Hellow> is already mentoring someone [Tues Jun 2 23:58:16] <duanedesign> o/I think it is important to resolve issues/differences right away. Dont hold grudges or develop animosity towards each other. [Tues Jun 2 23:58:18] <bodhi_zazen> Sometimes young people, say less then 30, especially less then 20, need a little more education re netiquette [Tues Jun 2 23:58:22] <yvan300> who hear lives in (-4) [Tues Jun 2 23:58:23] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: do you mean mentoring like the masters or something different? [Tues Jun 2 23:58:34] <jgoguen> yvan300: UTC-4? [Tues Jun 2 23:58:48] <yvan300> jgoguen: thats it :) [Tues Jun 2 23:58:50] <bodhi_zazen> no, mentoring in terms of immature behavior in this channel :) [Tues Jun 2 23:59:2] <jgoguen> yvan300: depends on the time of year, I'm either in UTC-3 or UTC-4...right now I'm UTC-3 [Tues Jun 2 23:59:6] <bodhi_zazen> w/o mentioning specific names [Tues Jun 2 23:59:11] <jgoguen> lol [Tues Jun 2 23:59:27] <Ash_R> oh, i can do that...i think anyway [Tues Jun 2 23:59:30] <ibuclaw> JanC, we attract quite a few enthusiasts in their teens, by all means, they mean well. But can be noisey without realising it. :) [Tues Jun 2 23:59:31] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: if people need to learn netiquette, feel free to point them to me ;) [Tues Jun 2 23:59:35] <yvan300> bodhi_zazen: who do you mean, montel, right :) [Tues Jun 2 23:59:36] <bodhi_zazen> awesome Ash_R :) [Tues Jun 2 23:59:36] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: I don't mind taking people and explaining how things work [Tues Jun 2 23:59:44] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, thank you. [Tues Jun 2 23:59:47] <Hellow> ibuclaw: hey! [Tues Jun 2 23:59:51] <Hellow> lol [Tues Jun 2 23:59:56] <bodhi_zazen> speaking of montel, how is he doing ? |
{{{#!IRC [23:12:41] <bodhi_zazen> Votebot: ready ? [23:13:10] <bodhi_zazen> let us announce on #ubuntu-meeting :) [23:13:24] <Ash_R> okay bodhi_zazen [23:13:25] <nhandler> I can do that bodhizazen [23:13:36] <nhandler> Or you can ;) [23:13:47] <Hellow> lol [23:13:50] <bodhi_zazen> everyone here ? [23:13:52] <Rocket2DMn> are we holding the meeting here? [23:13:54] <Hellow> yep [23:14:0] <Rocket2DMn> ok [23:14:4] <bodhi_zazen> yes Rocket2DMn [23:14:37] <bodhi_zazen> First, I apologize to the team, I have been busy the last few weeks [23:14:53] <bodhi_zazen> Setting up a new server takes time :) [23:14:57] <bodhi_zazen> and I have family too [23:15:17] <thewrath> understandable bodhi [23:15:18] <swoody> No apology needed bodhi_zazen :) [23:15:19] <bodhi_zazen> The new server is mostly done, so I hope to be more available [23:15:32] <nhandler> Glad to hear that bodhi_zazen [23:16:2] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to interject an item for the team to consider :) [23:16:20] <bodhi_zazen> we have been asked to consider changing our name - by members of teh CC [23:16:43] <nhandler> notes that this has been on the BT agenda before [23:16:49] <bodhi_zazen> to something that encompasses the work we do , not only on the forums, but for the greater community [23:16:57] <Vantrax> last time we had this come up we did vote for a change, however the bt council overruled it [23:17:2] <bodhi_zazen> So, let us re-consider [23:17:12] <Hellow> Ubuntu Beginners Team? [23:17:13] <bodhi_zazen> we would need to update LP and wiki pages :) [23:17:16] <Vantrax> we voted to change to UBT [23:17:18] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, did they wnat to take out the Beginners part? [23:17:28] <bodhi_zazen> no, forums Rocket2DMn [23:17:36] <bodhi_zazen> but I want to take out beginners [23:17:42] <swoody> is there any specific name in mind they wanted to change to? Or is that still open to ideas? [23:17:42] <Rocket2DMn> understood [23:17:44] <Ash_R> can we hear the argument for and against please? [23:17:44] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Mentoring team ? [23:17:50] <Vantrax> They felt, and i agree, that the forums part is misleading based on our current role [23:17:54] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: We aren't really mentoring [23:18:3] <Rocket2DMn> I dont think we cn use Mentoring or Learning [23:18:14] <bodhi_zazen> for and aginst what Ash_R ? [23:18:14] <Vantrax> Education is out due to Edubuntu [23:18:17] <nhandler> Maybe consider using the word Help instead of Beginners [23:18:30] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Helping team ? [23:18:31] <Hellow> I say we keep Beginners in our name; it still encompasses our role in the community well [23:18:31] <bodhi_zazen> lol [23:18:34] <Vantrax> +1 nhander [23:18:40] <Vantrax> Ubuntu Help Team:P [23:18:42] <swoody> Ubuntu Tech Support? [23:18:49] <thewrath> Hellow: +1 [23:18:50] <nhandler> swoody: No. We aren't tech support [23:18:52] <Vantrax> oh no... dont go ther [23:18:53] <Rocket2DMn> we do more than help users, too [23:18:58] <Ash_R> I think beginners is what we specialise in helping. it should say so in our name [23:19:0] <nhandler> I also don't like the way Ubuntu Help/Helping team sounds [23:19:12] <Vantrax> I still call for Ubuntu Beginners Team [23:19:16] <nhandler> My vote is for Ubuntu Beginners Team [23:19:18] <Hellow> As do I [23:19:21] <Ash_R> me too [23:19:39] <Rocket2DMn> I don't think we need to decide today, but at least we can hear ideas [23:19:42] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to decide this issue today ? [23:19:49] <Vantrax> that being said, i am and work and have to duck out for 10 min [23:19:54] <bodhi_zazen> or take suggestions and vote later ? [23:20:3] <Ash_R> i have the time to discuss [23:20:9] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: I don't think we have enough people here to make a decission this big [23:20:10] <thewrath> does everyone have their opinion on this or are those here that are undecided? [23:20:13] <Vantrax> its been decided here before bodhi [23:20:16] <bodhi_zazen> +1 nhandler [23:20:24] <thewrath> Vantrax: +1 [23:20:27] <thewrath> nhandler: +1 [23:20:37] <nhandler> I also think the council should have a meeting about it as well [23:20:43] <Hellow> Discussion for this would be more efficient on the mailing list than in here [23:20:47] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: the last time we decided we went with UFBT [23:20:47] <Rocket2DMn> I am undecided, I need to see some options to choose from [23:21:3] <Ash_R> what if we had a list of options, if we really must change the name? [23:21:21] <Vantrax> no bodhi_zazen the last time we went with UBT, and the council voted to keep UFBT and it stayed the same [23:21:23] <bodhi_zazen> mailing list is OK, so long as it is discussed, otherwise ? wiki page [23:21:31] <Vantrax> the vote by the team was UBT [23:21:31] <swoody> I am in favor of removing the 'Forums' from our name as well. But would be open to see other suggestions as well. [23:21:34] <Rocket2DMn> Let us also consider that this is a request, they aren't telling us to change our name, are they? [23:21:49] <Hellow> Ash_R: I am fairly sure the majority of the team is in support of Ubuntu Beginners Team, but the entire team isnt here to discuss it. [23:21:50] <bodhi_zazen> no Rocket2DMn , it is a request [23:22:8] <bodhi_zazen> I am not so sure I agree Hellow [23:22:13] <Ash_R> what is the motive behind the request bodhi_zazen [23:22:17] <bodhi_zazen> I think the majority of the team prefers UFBT [23:22:24] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: If we had to change our name [23:22:32] <Hellow> I prefer UFBT myself too [23:22:37] <nhandler> Ash_R: Because we are trying to replace other teams and expand, so we are not just forums based [23:22:45] <bodhi_zazen> Ash_R: the motive is to have the name of the team reflect the fact we are active outside of the forums [23:22:57] <Hellow> (which we are) [23:23:2] <Rocket2DMn> I would think that the logical step would be to go with Ubuntu Beginners Team if we do change. If you want something different, then are you also proposing tht we change our team's mission? [23:23:16] <duanedesign> Rocket2DMn: +1 [23:23:26] <Ash_R> +1 Rocket2DMn [23:23:30] <yvan300> Rocket2DMn: that is a good point [23:23:30] <Rocket2DMn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/MissionStatement [23:23:32] <bodhi_zazen> no Rocket2DMn :) [23:23:53] <bodhi_zazen> It is just that I am saying how is it we help beginners ? [23:24:25] <Rocket2DMn> Well, on the forums we focus on the ABT section of the forums [23:24:32] <drs305> Ubuntu Assistance Team [23:24:37] <Rocket2DMn> tht's the idea anyway, though we do cover most areas of the forums in reality [23:24:47] <nhandler> drubin: That might get confused with Accessibility [23:25:11] <nhandler> * drs305 [23:25:11] <bodhi_zazen> NUT [23:25:16] <bodhi_zazen> Uew Users Team [23:25:25] <bodhi_zazen> New Users Team, lol [23:25:28] <Rocket2DMn> Besides, what do we define as a "beginner"? Somebody can have used Ubuntu for years, but if they are new to something else, like a new program, they are a beginner for using that program [23:25:38] <Ash_R> what is the difference between a beginner and a new user? [23:25:42] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: What if the users aren't new, just inexperienced in Linux? [23:25:45] <swoody> bodhi_zazen: I think that may get confused with the now dead New User Network [23:25:54] <duanedesign> continuing education team :) [23:25:55] <bodhi_zazen> New To Ubuntu [23:25:59] <Ash_R> are we just changing words? [23:26:17] <Rocket2DMn> I would -1 changing words [23:26:23] <Ash_R> +1 Rocket2DMn [23:26:27] <Hellow> +1 Rocket2DMn [23:26:49] <Rocket2DMn> We are known throughout the community as the Beginners Team (even without the Forums part of the title). We use this name everything - wiki, lp, forums, mailing lists, etc [23:26:57] <bodhi_zazen> well, that leaves UFBT or UBT or just BT or UT [23:27:10] <Rocket2DMn> UT? [23:27:14] <Hellow> Ubuntu Team? [23:27:17] <Ash_R> i like beginners team. its short and straight to the point [23:27:17] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Team [23:27:22] <drs305> UBT [23:27:24] <swoody> +1 for UBT [23:27:30] <jgoguen> +1 UBT [23:27:32] <Hellow> +1 UBT [23:27:32] <bodhi_zazen> UBN [23:27:33] <Rocket2DMn> I would vote for UBT or just BT [23:27:42] <thewrath> i say UBT [23:27:45] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Beginners Network ? [23:27:47] <thewrath> then they know wat beginner tema it is [23:27:52] <thewrath> bodhi_zazen: +1 [23:28:9] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: Yet we are not a network, we are a team :). [23:28:12] <Rocket2DMn> +1 thewrath , other teams also use Ubuntu in their titles [23:28:19] <swoody> Hellow +1 [23:28:38] <Rocket2DMn> that's a good point Hellow , a network is only loosely connected, we are well organized [23:28:41] <bodhi_zazen> Well we are a netwrok as we coordinate on forums, wiki, LP, etx [23:29:5] <swoody> I think we do 'network' but I think we *are* a team [23:29:15] <bodhi_zazen> UBT is sounding like the winner ;) [23:29:21] <Rocket2DMn> I tend to think of a "network" of individuals as just people who know eachother as contacts, but dont necessarily work together [23:29:30] <Ash_R> i agree with bodhi_zazen , though do not like the idea of network in the name, we are a team at heart [23:29:31] <Rocket2DMn> just my .02 [23:29:43] <duanedesign> Beginners Education Team [23:29:50] <Hellow> A team, in my eyes, is a group of people that focus on a specific topic or many specific topics. A Network is basically like what Rocket2DMn said. [23:30:6] <Hellow> duanedesign: That would be too close to the existing Education Team. [23:30:9] <nhandler> duanedesign: That is more like what our Education FG / UCLP is [23:30:20] <Ash_R> i think in nearly all team names suggested 2 common words keep cropping up. beginners and team [23:30:51] <bodhi_zazen> which leaves us with UBT [23:31:10] <bodhi_zazen> We could be a task force =) [23:31:15] <Hellow> lol [23:31:18] <nhandler> Are there any other suggestions? Or are we just debating whether to stay with UFBT or change to UBT? [23:31:21] <Rocket2DMn> lol bodhi_zazen [23:31:23] <Hellow> "Ubuntu Beginners Task Force" [23:31:29] <Hellow> That would be a fun one [23:31:30] <Vantrax> okies, im back [23:31:42] <thewrath> Hellow: +1 [23:31:45] <Ash_R> what does the community know us as? should we not stick to what they know us as? [23:31:46] <bodhi_zazen> I think the real debase is UFBT vs UTB [23:32:0] <Hellow> We go beyond the forums [23:32:5] <drs305> UBT [23:32:8] <Hellow> Forums should not be a part of our name [23:32:8] <swoody> Squad, Company, Organization, Troop, Outfit, Federation, Crew...? [23:32:15] <Hellow> UBT has my vote [23:32:17] <bodhi_zazen> community knows us as the steam roller Ash_R [23:32:26] <duanedesign> +1 [23:32:27] <Rocket2DMn> lol! [23:32:29] <Ash_R> nice bodhi_zazen :) [23:32:43] <Ash_R> but you understand my point [23:32:45] <Rocket2DMn> we're like goo, we just ooze into other areas of the community [23:33:4] <duanedesign> lol [23:33:41] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to vote on this topic ? [23:33:44] <Rocket2DMn> Should we setup a LP vote or vote now? [23:34:5] <duanedesign> Re-Education Team [23:34:10] <Vantrax> I think we should vote, but the result is pretty clear [23:34:11] <Hellow> I think we may need to discuss this more, not everyone is here, and we need everyone's opinion on this. [23:34:20] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: Do you think we have enough people here to really vote? [23:34:27] <swoody> +1 for a vote, I don't think removing 'Forums' will cause anyone too much distress [23:34:31] <bodhi_zazen> +1 on further discussion, vote in say 2 weeks ? [23:34:31] <Rocket2DMn> I'm ok with delaying a vote or putting it on LP and mailing the list [23:34:44] <Hellow> 2 weeks sounds good [23:35:7] <nhandler> .vote "+1 Vote Now -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks" [23:35:7] <Votebot> We Are Now Voting On: +1 Vote Now -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks [23:35:7] <Votebot> Vote with +1, -1, or 0 [23:35:7] <Votebot> You can also /msg Votebot your vote [23:35:12] <Ash_R> i am happt to vote now, but realise that some members are not present [23:35:15] <Hellow> -1 [23:35:15] <nhandler> -1 [23:35:18] <Rocket2DMn> 0 [23:35:20] <swoody> +1 [23:35:21] <Ash_R> 0 [23:35:28] <bodhi_zazen> -1 [23:35:30] <ibuclaw> 0 [23:35:35] <drs305> +1 [23:35:35] <duanedesign> +1 [23:35:43] <yvan300> 0 [23:35:43] <TuxPurple> 0 [23:35:43] <Wiebelhaus1> May I ask what your voting on? [23:35:45] <bodhi_zazen> wants the team to be involved in this decision ;) [23:35:48] <sdennie> 0 [23:35:52] <Hellow> agrees with bodhi [23:35:57] <nhandler> Wiebelhaus1: Whether or not to delay the vote on the name change [23:36:7] <Wiebelhaus1> Thanks mate. [23:36:8] <nhandler> .vote [23:36:8] <Votebot> We Are Done Voting On: +1 Vote Now -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks [23:36:8] <Votebot> 11 People Voted. 3 People For. 3 People Against. 5 People Neutral. [23:36:13] <Hellow> lol [23:36:21] <swoody> haha [23:36:25] <yvan300> draw [23:36:25] <bodhi_zazen> that means bodhi decides :) [23:36:27] <jorgerosa> hello all [23:36:32] <Hellow> I think we should delay it [23:36:33] <jorgerosa> what are you vonting? [23:36:34] <TuxPurple> ubuntu all-rounder team :P [23:36:37] <yvan300> lets do a recount [23:36:37] <bodhi_zazen> I say discuss and vote in 2 weeks [23:36:38] <Ash_R> what does bodhi_zazen think? [23:36:48] <drs305> I will change to delay if you wish. [23:36:55] <bodhi_zazen> I think we need time for suggestions [23:37:1] <duanedesign> if makes a diiference I thought +1 was to delay 2 weeks [23:37:1] <drs305> fine with me, [23:37:2] <Hellow> +1 bodhi_zazen [23:37:15] <Ash_R> where can we post suggestions? [23:37:26] <Vantrax> i think we should make a wiki page for names [23:37:30] <Rocket2DMn> Let's have bodhi_zazen start a mailing list thread [23:37:31] <bodhi_zazen> OK discussion > mailing list | wiki page [23:37:31] <Hellow> Mailing list? I'll get that stared after the meeting if yall wish. [23:37:51] <Rocket2DMn> a wiki page is difficult to deal with for a whole team, i think mailing list + a LP vote is better [23:37:56] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: We decided that the Mailing List should be used for agenda item discussions [23:38:0] <bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn: I like wiki page, people can leave comments, easier to read [23:38:15] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, forums work best for that [23:38:15] <bodhi_zazen> LOL [23:38:38] <bodhi_zazen> mailing list ? [23:38:47] <Hellow> +1 on mailing list [23:39:1] <Hellow> and use the wiki for names suggested [23:39:3] <Rocket2DMn> +1 mailist list [23:39:18] <bodhi_zazen> ok, mailing list it is then :) [23:40:14] <Rocket2DMn> ok, lets move on [23:40:16] <bodhi_zazen> Next item - Python - Hellow [23:40:26] <Hellow> alrighty [23:40:31] <Vantrax> PYTHON!!! [23:40:31] <Votebot> PERL!!! [23:40:44] <duanedesign> lol [23:40:44] <ibuclaw> D!!! >:) [23:40:48] <Hellow> LeAstrale started a sort of "Quest for Python" [23:40:49] <Vantrax> had to be done [23:40:55] <Ash_R> can we please stay on topic? [23:41:48] <Hellow> We are basically helping each other to learn python, using the book "A byte of python" by Swaroop C H. [23:41:51] <bodhi_zazen> Hellow: is this an issue for the team or just an announcement ? [23:41:54] <Hellow> (sorry for the delay) [23:41:57] <Hellow> An announcement [23:42:4] <bodhi_zazen> is the book available on line ? [23:42:6] <jimi_hendrix> whats going on? [23:42:8] <bodhi_zazen> linky ? [23:42:12] <Hellow> Yes, its a free-to-download book [23:42:15] <Hellow> hold on [23:42:47] <ibuclaw> bodhi_zazen, to my understanding, this is going to be revolved around the beginners-dev team. [23:42:59] <JanC> and there are several other free python books on-line... [23:43:12] <bodhi_zazen> Unless there is a need for discussion I say we move on w/ linky to be posted :) [23:43:30] <Ash_R> ibuclaw, thats interesting. i am not planning to join that team yet, though i am still interested [23:43:32] <swoody> Link to book through Google Docs: http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=F.a3b74a68-ecd7-4372-adc2-ab9abbbc1204 [23:43:38] <bodhi_zazen> which bring up .... [23:43:47] <bodhi_zazen> new members ? [23:43:58] <nhandler> Team Report Reflection [23:44:2] <bodhi_zazen> or is there anything to report from the FG ? [23:44:2] <Hellow> I dont think we have any [23:44:38] <bodhi_zazen> swoody: that link is no good :) [23:44:46] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: who is doing team report ? [23:45:0] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: This is a discussion item I would like to bring up [23:45:8] <Vantrax> Edu FG has news doesnt it bodhi... [23:45:36] <swoody> Actual link for 'A Byte of Python': http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/Python [23:45:40] <Hellow> For reference, the book is located here (in HTML): http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/ [23:46:4] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: news from Edu FG ? [23:46:11] <bodhi_zazen> we went b4 the CC today [23:46:23] <bodhi_zazen> to announce our UCLP project [23:46:24] <Vantrax> and they love us:P [23:46:28] <bodhi_zazen> welcome dinda :) [23:46:43] <bodhi_zazen> LOL [23:46:53] <dinda> couldn't find the channel - you mistyped it in the meeting room [23:46:57] <bodhi_zazen> they wanted to know why we were there is more like it [23:47:6] <nhandler> dinda: JanC corrected him shortly after ;) [23:47:7] <bodhi_zazen> Oh, sorry dinda :( [23:47:15] <Hellow> LOL bodhi_zazen [23:47:38] <bodhi_zazen> thought everyone knew this channel =) [23:47:40] <Ash_R> welcome w4ett [23:48:6] <JanC> nhandler: whic hwas the reason why I corrected it publicly ;) [23:48:11] <Vantrax> sorry dinda [23:48:18] <bodhi_zazen> We are going to theme the moodle site, although I may want to change over to apache and mysql [23:48:28] <bodhi_zazen> if anyone has an opinion, talk to me later [23:48:48] <Vantrax> if anyone has mad css/gimp skills see me later:P [23:48:50] <bodhi_zazen> right now I am running lighttp + postgre [23:48:53] <JanC> which wasn't good enough apparently :-/ [23:48:58] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, do you have a link at hand? [23:49:14] <bodhi_zazen> link for what Ash_R ? [23:49:23] <bodhi_zazen> http://learn.ufbt.net/ [23:49:25] <Ash_R> the moodle site [23:49:29] <bodhi_zazen> ^^ [23:49:32] <Ash_R> thank you [23:49:35] <bodhi_zazen> np [23:49:46] <nhandler> o/ [23:49:52] <bodhi_zazen> go nhandler :) [23:49:55] <nhandler> We have been doing team reporting for about a month. I want to get the team's opinions about the stuff that we have been including or about the reports in general. Any suggestions / comments? [23:50:3] <bodhi_zazen> I was going to ask , any other FG ? [23:50:22] <nhandler> has to run to dinner and wanted to get that out there [23:50:26] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: I have not had time to read it, lol [23:50:27] <nhandler> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReports [23:50:39] <bodhi_zazen> Ash_R: log in with openid, use your LP account [23:50:48] <Ash_R> has paul tag said anything about IRC focus group? [23:51:2] <Ash_R> time zones playing havoc and all that [23:51:50] <bodhi_zazen> very nice nhandler :) [23:52:2] <bodhi_zazen> no Ash_R , any news ? [23:52:25] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, for team reports, can you email the list a bit in advance of when reports are due so FGs can update the page? [23:52:41] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, not as such. i know he took over from Joeb454 as a part lead. i was curious to see if i have missed anything [23:52:54] <bodhi_zazen> kk [23:53:29] <bodhi_zazen> the education FG will be looking to add content to the UCLP site in the near future :) [23:53:50] <bodhi_zazen> I think that is about all we have for the meeting this month [23:53:55] <bodhi_zazen> any other issues ? [23:53:58] <bodhi_zazen> questions ? [23:54:44] <bodhi_zazen> I have one final issue then :) [23:54:54] <bodhi_zazen> let us say behavior on this channel [23:55:4] <bodhi_zazen> first, thank you to everyone for improving [23:55:26] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to remind people, we have a diverse group now [23:55:54] <bodhi_zazen> some people ( bodhi_zazen ) are old (farts) and mature [23:55:59] <Vantrax> just wait till compiledkernel shows up [23:56:1] <bodhi_zazen> others are younger [23:56:22] <Hellow> Vantrax: dont say that word :P [23:56:31] <Vantrax> <- some are somewhere in the middle [23:56:36] <bodhi_zazen> I know the younger ones take a little more time sometimes, please direct them to me if then need some guidence [23:56:53] <Hellow> <- and some are the complete opposite of old [23:56:59] <bodhi_zazen> or if there are other members willing to mentor young ones let me know [23:57:9] <yvan300> bodhi_zazen: what's that i hear about younger ones? [23:57:9] <jgoguen> Hellow: youngster :P [23:57:16] <Hellow> jgoguen: yep :P [23:57:16] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: what do you mean by guidance? ;) [23:57:22] <Vantrax> if your in the asia pacific timezone and need a mentor come see me:P [23:57:32] <Ash_R> i would not mind bodhi_zazen , but i do not feel qualified. [23:57:37] <Hellow> is already mentoring someone [23:58:16] <duanedesign> o/I think it is important to resolve issues/differences right away. Dont hold grudges or develop animosity towards each other. [23:58:18] <bodhi_zazen> Sometimes young people, say less then 30, especially less then 20, need a little more education re netiquette [23:58:22] <yvan300> who hear lives in (-4) [23:58:23] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: do you mean mentoring like the masters or something different? [23:58:34] <jgoguen> yvan300: UTC-4? [23:58:48] <yvan300> jgoguen: thats it :) [23:58:50] <bodhi_zazen> no, mentoring in terms of immature behavior in this channel :) [23:59:2] <jgoguen> yvan300: depends on the time of year, I'm either in UTC-3 or UTC-4...right now I'm UTC-3 [23:59:6] <bodhi_zazen> w/o mentioning specific names [23:59:11] <jgoguen> lol [23:59:27] <Ash_R> oh, i can do that...i think anyway [23:59:30] <ibuclaw> JanC, we attract quite a few enthusiasts in their teens, by all means, they mean well. But can be noisey without realising it. :) [23:59:31] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: if people need to learn netiquette, feel free to point them to me ;) [23:59:35] <yvan300> bodhi_zazen: who do you mean, montel, right :) [23:59:36] <bodhi_zazen> awesome Ash_R :) [23:59:36] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: I don't mind taking people and explaining how things work [23:59:44] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, thank you. [23:59:47] <Hellow> ibuclaw: hey! [23:59:51] <Hellow> lol [23:59:56] <bodhi_zazen> speaking of montel, how is he doing ? [0:0:6] <Hellow> has no idea on Montel [0:0:7] <duanedesign> lol [0:0:19] <yvan300> he should be online soon [0:0:36] <duanedesign> o/ [0:0:38] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, i have not seen montel since he wiped his blog database or something [0:0:40] <bodhi_zazen> Montel - you can lead noobs to documentation, but you can not make them read :) [0:0:53] <ibuclaw> haha [0:0:57] <bodhi_zazen> moves to end meeting [0:1:2] <Hellow> LOL [0:1:8] <JanC> well, if this channel is going to stay, I'll add it to my auto-join list... [0:1:9] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: sudo aptitude purge $all_packages [0:1:13] <ibuclaw> bodhi_zazen, there was a similar discussion about stickies in the forums [0:1:22] <bodhi_zazen> JanC: you are most welcome to this channel [0:1:35] <jgoguen> ibuclaw: something like the quickest way to get a thread ignored is to sticky it? :) [0:2:5] <bodhi_zazen> naw, I just close threads that have need answered in a sticky [0:2:16] <bodhi_zazen> w/ a message, there is a reason they are a sticky :) [0:2:20] <yvan300> JanC: who are you? [0:2:26] <bodhi_zazen> seems to work w/o causing too much havoc [0:2:47] <ibuclaw> yvan300, a lugwv member, apparently ;) [0:2:51] <bodhi_zazen> any other team issues ? [0:2:54] <Snova> The weird thing about stickies is that I gloss over them, so I never notice when there are new posts. It really is the best way to get people to ignore things. [0:2:56] <Hellow> ibuclaw: OBVIOUSNESS [0:2:56] <bodhi_zazen> or end meeting ? [0:2:58] <Hellow> ;p [0:3:2] <Hellow> lets end it [0:3:18] <Ash_R> i think meeting is over [0:3:25] <bodhi_zazen> .meeting [0:3:25] <Votebot> =-=-=Meeting mode disabled=-=-= }}} |
Log of meeting on 06/02/09
General Agenda Items and Proposals
PLEASE COME TO THE MEETINGS PREPARED.
This means:
- If there is an issue for the team, add it to the agenda.
- Agenda items then should be discussed "informally" on #ubuntufourms-beginners. 90 % of the discussion should have taken place before the meeting. The channel should be enjoyable for everyone, but keep in mind the purpose of the channel is to discuss team functions.
- Ideally, meetings then are for decision making, team votes. Read the agenda and discuss your thoughts before the meeting. 10 % (or less) of the discussion should happen during the meeting.
- Agenda items that require more then 5 minutes of discussion may need to be deferred.
Who |
What |
"A quest for Python" |
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What's in a name ? |
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Team Reports Reflection |
Agenda discussion
Does anyone want to join our "A quest for Python"? Its for people who are either completely new to programming or that just wants to learn the python language we are helping each other through "A byte of python" (a book). We are generally just here to learn python and motivate each other to get things done. Feel free to drop me an email on jesperhen89(at)gmail.com if you want to join. - LeAstrale
Log
1 [23:12:41] <bodhi_zazen> Votebot: ready ?
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3 [23:13:10] <bodhi_zazen> let us announce on #ubuntu-meeting :)
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5 [23:13:24] <Ash_R> okay bodhi_zazen
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7 [23:13:25] <nhandler> I can do that bodhizazen
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9 [23:13:36] <nhandler> Or you can ;)
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11 [23:13:47] <Hellow> lol
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13 [23:13:50] <bodhi_zazen> everyone here ?
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15 [23:13:52] <Rocket2DMn> are we holding the meeting here?
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17 [23:13:54] <Hellow> yep
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19 [23:14:0] <Rocket2DMn> ok
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21 [23:14:4] <bodhi_zazen> yes Rocket2DMn
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23 [23:14:37] <bodhi_zazen> First, I apologize to the team, I have been busy the last few weeks
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25 [23:14:53] <bodhi_zazen> Setting up a new server takes time :)
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27 [23:14:57] <bodhi_zazen> and I have family too
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29 [23:15:17] <thewrath> understandable bodhi
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31 [23:15:18] <swoody> No apology needed bodhi_zazen :)
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33 [23:15:19] <bodhi_zazen> The new server is mostly done, so I hope to be more available
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35 [23:15:32] <nhandler> Glad to hear that bodhi_zazen
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37 [23:16:2] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to interject an item for the team to consider :)
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39 [23:16:20] <bodhi_zazen> we have been asked to consider changing our name - by members of teh CC
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41 [23:16:43] <nhandler> notes that this has been on the BT agenda before
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43 [23:16:49] <bodhi_zazen> to something that encompasses the work we do , not only on the forums, but for the greater community
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45 [23:16:57] <Vantrax> last time we had this come up we did vote for a change, however the bt council overruled it
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47 [23:17:2] <bodhi_zazen> So, let us re-consider
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49 [23:17:12] <Hellow> Ubuntu Beginners Team?
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51 [23:17:13] <bodhi_zazen> we would need to update LP and wiki pages :)
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53 [23:17:16] <Vantrax> we voted to change to UBT
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55 [23:17:18] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, did they wnat to take out the Beginners part?
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57 [23:17:28] <bodhi_zazen> no, forums Rocket2DMn
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59 [23:17:36] <bodhi_zazen> but I want to take out beginners
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61 [23:17:42] <swoody> is there any specific name in mind they wanted to change to? Or is that still open to ideas?
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63 [23:17:42] <Rocket2DMn> understood
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65 [23:17:44] <Ash_R> can we hear the argument for and against please?
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67 [23:17:44] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Mentoring team ?
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69 [23:17:50] <Vantrax> They felt, and i agree, that the forums part is misleading based on our current role
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71 [23:17:54] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: We aren't really mentoring
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73 [23:18:3] <Rocket2DMn> I dont think we cn use Mentoring or Learning
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75 [23:18:14] <bodhi_zazen> for and aginst what Ash_R ?
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77 [23:18:14] <Vantrax> Education is out due to Edubuntu
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79 [23:18:17] <nhandler> Maybe consider using the word Help instead of Beginners
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81 [23:18:30] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Helping team ?
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83 [23:18:31] <Hellow> I say we keep Beginners in our name; it still encompasses our role in the community well
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85 [23:18:31] <bodhi_zazen> lol
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87 [23:18:34] <Vantrax> +1 nhander
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89 [23:18:40] <Vantrax> Ubuntu Help Team:P
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91 [23:18:42] <swoody> Ubuntu Tech Support?
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93 [23:18:49] <thewrath> Hellow: +1
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95 [23:18:50] <nhandler> swoody: No. We aren't tech support
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97 [23:18:52] <Vantrax> oh no... dont go ther
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99 [23:18:53] <Rocket2DMn> we do more than help users, too
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101 [23:18:58] <Ash_R> I think beginners is what we specialise in helping. it should say so in our name
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103 [23:19:0] <nhandler> I also don't like the way Ubuntu Help/Helping team sounds
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105 [23:19:12] <Vantrax> I still call for Ubuntu Beginners Team
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107 [23:19:16] <nhandler> My vote is for Ubuntu Beginners Team
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109 [23:19:18] <Hellow> As do I
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111 [23:19:21] <Ash_R> me too
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113 [23:19:39] <Rocket2DMn> I don't think we need to decide today, but at least we can hear ideas
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115 [23:19:42] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to decide this issue today ?
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117 [23:19:49] <Vantrax> that being said, i am and work and have to duck out for 10 min
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119 [23:19:54] <bodhi_zazen> or take suggestions and vote later ?
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121 [23:20:3] <Ash_R> i have the time to discuss
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123 [23:20:9] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: I don't think we have enough people here to make a decission this big
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125 [23:20:10] <thewrath> does everyone have their opinion on this or are those here that are undecided?
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127 [23:20:13] <Vantrax> its been decided here before bodhi
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129 [23:20:16] <bodhi_zazen> +1 nhandler
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131 [23:20:24] <thewrath> Vantrax: +1
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133 [23:20:27] <thewrath> nhandler: +1
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135 [23:20:37] <nhandler> I also think the council should have a meeting about it as well
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137 [23:20:43] <Hellow> Discussion for this would be more efficient on the mailing list than in here
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139 [23:20:47] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: the last time we decided we went with UFBT
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141 [23:20:47] <Rocket2DMn> I am undecided, I need to see some options to choose from
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143 [23:21:3] <Ash_R> what if we had a list of options, if we really must change the name?
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145 [23:21:21] <Vantrax> no bodhi_zazen the last time we went with UBT, and the council voted to keep UFBT and it stayed the same
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147 [23:21:23] <bodhi_zazen> mailing list is OK, so long as it is discussed, otherwise ? wiki page
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149 [23:21:31] <Vantrax> the vote by the team was UBT
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151 [23:21:31] <swoody> I am in favor of removing the 'Forums' from our name as well. But would be open to see other suggestions as well.
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153 [23:21:34] <Rocket2DMn> Let us also consider that this is a request, they aren't telling us to change our name, are they?
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155 [23:21:49] <Hellow> Ash_R: I am fairly sure the majority of the team is in support of Ubuntu Beginners Team, but the entire team isnt here to discuss it.
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157 [23:21:50] <bodhi_zazen> no Rocket2DMn , it is a request
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159 [23:22:8] <bodhi_zazen> I am not so sure I agree Hellow
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161 [23:22:13] <Ash_R> what is the motive behind the request bodhi_zazen
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163 [23:22:17] <bodhi_zazen> I think the majority of the team prefers UFBT
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165 [23:22:24] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: If we had to change our name
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167 [23:22:32] <Hellow> I prefer UFBT myself too
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169 [23:22:37] <nhandler> Ash_R: Because we are trying to replace other teams and expand, so we are not just forums based
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171 [23:22:45] <bodhi_zazen> Ash_R: the motive is to have the name of the team reflect the fact we are active outside of the forums
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173 [23:22:57] <Hellow> (which we are)
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175 [23:23:2] <Rocket2DMn> I would think that the logical step would be to go with Ubuntu Beginners Team if we do change. If you want something different, then are you also proposing tht we change our team's mission?
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177 [23:23:16] <duanedesign> Rocket2DMn: +1
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179 [23:23:26] <Ash_R> +1 Rocket2DMn
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181 [23:23:30] <yvan300> Rocket2DMn: that is a good point
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183 [23:23:30] <Rocket2DMn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/MissionStatement
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185 [23:23:32] <bodhi_zazen> no Rocket2DMn :)
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187 [23:23:53] <bodhi_zazen> It is just that I am saying how is it we help beginners ?
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189 [23:24:25] <Rocket2DMn> Well, on the forums we focus on the ABT section of the forums
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191 [23:24:32] <drs305> Ubuntu Assistance Team
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193 [23:24:37] <Rocket2DMn> tht's the idea anyway, though we do cover most areas of the forums in reality
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195 [23:24:47] <nhandler> drubin: That might get confused with Accessibility
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197 [23:25:11] <nhandler> * drs305
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199 [23:25:11] <bodhi_zazen> NUT
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201 [23:25:16] <bodhi_zazen> Uew Users Team
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203 [23:25:25] <bodhi_zazen> New Users Team, lol
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205 [23:25:28] <Rocket2DMn> Besides, what do we define as a "beginner"? Somebody can have used Ubuntu for years, but if they are new to something else, like a new program, they are a beginner for using that program
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207 [23:25:38] <Ash_R> what is the difference between a beginner and a new user?
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209 [23:25:42] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: What if the users aren't new, just inexperienced in Linux?
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211 [23:25:45] <swoody> bodhi_zazen: I think that may get confused with the now dead New User Network
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213 [23:25:54] <duanedesign> continuing education team :)
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215 [23:25:55] <bodhi_zazen> New To Ubuntu
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217 [23:25:59] <Ash_R> are we just changing words?
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219 [23:26:17] <Rocket2DMn> I would -1 changing words
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221 [23:26:23] <Ash_R> +1 Rocket2DMn
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223 [23:26:27] <Hellow> +1 Rocket2DMn
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225 [23:26:49] <Rocket2DMn> We are known throughout the community as the Beginners Team (even without the Forums part of the title). We use this name everything - wiki, lp, forums, mailing lists, etc
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227 [23:26:57] <bodhi_zazen> well, that leaves UFBT or UBT or just BT or UT
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229 [23:27:10] <Rocket2DMn> UT?
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231 [23:27:14] <Hellow> Ubuntu Team?
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233 [23:27:17] <Ash_R> i like beginners team. its short and straight to the point
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235 [23:27:17] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Team
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237 [23:27:22] <drs305> UBT
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239 [23:27:24] <swoody> +1 for UBT
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241 [23:27:30] <jgoguen> +1 UBT
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243 [23:27:32] <Hellow> +1 UBT
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245 [23:27:32] <bodhi_zazen> UBN
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247 [23:27:33] <Rocket2DMn> I would vote for UBT or just BT
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249 [23:27:42] <thewrath> i say UBT
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251 [23:27:45] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu Beginners Network ?
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253 [23:27:47] <thewrath> then they know wat beginner tema it is
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255 [23:27:52] <thewrath> bodhi_zazen: +1
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257 [23:28:9] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen: Yet we are not a network, we are a team :).
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259 [23:28:12] <Rocket2DMn> +1 thewrath , other teams also use Ubuntu in their titles
260
261 [23:28:19] <swoody> Hellow +1
262
263 [23:28:38] <Rocket2DMn> that's a good point Hellow , a network is only loosely connected, we are well organized
264
265 [23:28:41] <bodhi_zazen> Well we are a netwrok as we coordinate on forums, wiki, LP, etx
266
267 [23:29:5] <swoody> I think we do 'network' but I think we *are* a team
268
269 [23:29:15] <bodhi_zazen> UBT is sounding like the winner ;)
270
271 [23:29:21] <Rocket2DMn> I tend to think of a "network" of individuals as just people who know eachother as contacts, but dont necessarily work together
272
273 [23:29:30] <Ash_R> i agree with bodhi_zazen , though do not like the idea of network in the name, we are a team at heart
274
275 [23:29:31] <Rocket2DMn> just my .02
276
277 [23:29:43] <duanedesign> Beginners Education Team
278
279 [23:29:50] <Hellow> A team, in my eyes, is a group of people that focus on a specific topic or many specific topics. A Network is basically like what Rocket2DMn said.
280
281 [23:30:6] <Hellow> duanedesign: That would be too close to the existing Education Team.
282
283 [23:30:9] <nhandler> duanedesign: That is more like what our Education FG / UCLP is
284
285 [23:30:20] <Ash_R> i think in nearly all team names suggested 2 common words keep cropping up. beginners and team
286
287 [23:30:51] <bodhi_zazen> which leaves us with UBT
288
289 [23:31:10] <bodhi_zazen> We could be a task force =)
290
291 [23:31:15] <Hellow> lol
292
293 [23:31:18] <nhandler> Are there any other suggestions? Or are we just debating whether to stay with UFBT or change to UBT?
294
295 [23:31:21] <Rocket2DMn> lol bodhi_zazen
296
297 [23:31:23] <Hellow> "Ubuntu Beginners Task Force"
298
299 [23:31:29] <Hellow> That would be a fun one
300
301 [23:31:30] <Vantrax> okies, im back
302
303 [23:31:42] <thewrath> Hellow: +1
304
305 [23:31:45] <Ash_R> what does the community know us as? should we not stick to what they know us as?
306
307 [23:31:46] <bodhi_zazen> I think the real debase is UFBT vs UTB
308
309 [23:32:0] <Hellow> We go beyond the forums
310
311 [23:32:5] <drs305> UBT
312
313 [23:32:8] <Hellow> Forums should not be a part of our name
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315 [23:32:8] <swoody> Squad, Company, Organization, Troop, Outfit, Federation, Crew...?
316
317 [23:32:15] <Hellow> UBT has my vote
318
319 [23:32:17] <bodhi_zazen> community knows us as the steam roller Ash_R
320
321 [23:32:26] <duanedesign> +1
322
323 [23:32:27] <Rocket2DMn> lol!
324
325 [23:32:29] <Ash_R> nice bodhi_zazen :)
326
327 [23:32:43] <Ash_R> but you understand my point
328
329 [23:32:45] <Rocket2DMn> we're like goo, we just ooze into other areas of the community
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331 [23:33:4] <duanedesign> lol
332
333 [23:33:41] <bodhi_zazen> do we want to vote on this topic ?
334
335 [23:33:44] <Rocket2DMn> Should we setup a LP vote or vote now?
336
337 [23:34:5] <duanedesign> Re-Education Team
338
339 [23:34:10] <Vantrax> I think we should vote, but the result is pretty clear
340
341 [23:34:11] <Hellow> I think we may need to discuss this more, not everyone is here, and we need everyone's opinion on this.
342
343 [23:34:20] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: Do you think we have enough people here to really vote?
344
345 [23:34:27] <swoody> +1 for a vote, I don't think removing 'Forums' will cause anyone too much distress
346
347 [23:34:31] <bodhi_zazen> +1 on further discussion, vote in say 2 weeks ?
348
349 [23:34:31] <Rocket2DMn> I'm ok with delaying a vote or putting it on LP and mailing the list
350
351 [23:34:44] <Hellow> 2 weeks sounds good
352
353 [23:35:7] <nhandler> .vote "+1 Vote Now -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks"
354
355 [23:35:7] <Votebot> We Are Now Voting On: +1 Vote Now -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks
356
357 [23:35:7] <Votebot> Vote with +1, -1, or 0
358
359 [23:35:7] <Votebot> You can also /msg Votebot your vote
360
361 [23:35:12] <Ash_R> i am happt to vote now, but realise that some members are not present
362
363 [23:35:15] <Hellow> -1
364
365 [23:35:15] <nhandler> -1
366
367 [23:35:18] <Rocket2DMn> 0
368
369 [23:35:20] <swoody> +1
370
371 [23:35:21] <Ash_R> 0
372
373 [23:35:28] <bodhi_zazen> -1
374
375 [23:35:30] <ibuclaw> 0
376
377 [23:35:35] <drs305> +1
378
379 [23:35:35] <duanedesign> +1
380
381 [23:35:43] <yvan300> 0
382
383 [23:35:43] <TuxPurple> 0
384
385 [23:35:43] <Wiebelhaus1> May I ask what your voting on?
386
387 [23:35:45] <bodhi_zazen> wants the team to be involved in this decision ;)
388
389 [23:35:48] <sdennie> 0
390
391 [23:35:52] <Hellow> agrees with bodhi
392
393 [23:35:57] <nhandler> Wiebelhaus1: Whether or not to delay the vote on the name change
394
395 [23:36:7] <Wiebelhaus1> Thanks mate.
396
397 [23:36:8] <nhandler> .vote
398
399 [23:36:8] <Votebot> We Are Done Voting On: +1 Vote Now -1 Delay Vote 2 weeks
400
401 [23:36:8] <Votebot> 11 People Voted. 3 People For. 3 People Against. 5 People Neutral.
402
403 [23:36:13] <Hellow> lol
404
405 [23:36:21] <swoody> haha
406
407 [23:36:25] <yvan300> draw
408
409 [23:36:25] <bodhi_zazen> that means bodhi decides :)
410
411 [23:36:27] <jorgerosa> hello all
412
413 [23:36:32] <Hellow> I think we should delay it
414
415 [23:36:33] <jorgerosa> what are you vonting?
416
417 [23:36:34] <TuxPurple> ubuntu all-rounder team :P
418
419 [23:36:37] <yvan300> lets do a recount
420
421 [23:36:37] <bodhi_zazen> I say discuss and vote in 2 weeks
422
423 [23:36:38] <Ash_R> what does bodhi_zazen think?
424
425 [23:36:48] <drs305> I will change to delay if you wish.
426
427 [23:36:55] <bodhi_zazen> I think we need time for suggestions
428
429 [23:37:1] <duanedesign> if makes a diiference I thought +1 was to delay 2 weeks
430
431 [23:37:1] <drs305> fine with me,
432
433 [23:37:2] <Hellow> +1 bodhi_zazen
434
435 [23:37:15] <Ash_R> where can we post suggestions?
436
437 [23:37:26] <Vantrax> i think we should make a wiki page for names
438
439 [23:37:30] <Rocket2DMn> Let's have bodhi_zazen start a mailing list thread
440
441 [23:37:31] <bodhi_zazen> OK discussion > mailing list | wiki page
442
443 [23:37:31] <Hellow> Mailing list? I'll get that stared after the meeting if yall wish.
444
445 [23:37:51] <Rocket2DMn> a wiki page is difficult to deal with for a whole team, i think mailing list + a LP vote is better
446
447 [23:37:56] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: We decided that the Mailing List should be used for agenda item discussions
448
449 [23:38:0] <bodhi_zazen> Rocket2DMn: I like wiki page, people can leave comments, easier to read
450
451 [23:38:15] <Rocket2DMn> bodhi_zazen, forums work best for that
452
453 [23:38:15] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
454
455 [23:38:38] <bodhi_zazen> mailing list ?
456
457 [23:38:47] <Hellow> +1 on mailing list
458
459 [23:39:1] <Hellow> and use the wiki for names suggested
460
461 [23:39:3] <Rocket2DMn> +1 mailist list
462
463 [23:39:18] <bodhi_zazen> ok, mailing list it is then :)
464
465 [23:40:14] <Rocket2DMn> ok, lets move on
466
467 [23:40:16] <bodhi_zazen> Next item - Python - Hellow
468
469 [23:40:26] <Hellow> alrighty
470
471 [23:40:31] <Vantrax> PYTHON!!!
472
473 [23:40:31] <Votebot> PERL!!!
474
475 [23:40:44] <duanedesign> lol
476
477 [23:40:44] <ibuclaw> D!!! >:)
478
479 [23:40:48] <Hellow> LeAstrale started a sort of "Quest for Python"
480
481 [23:40:49] <Vantrax> had to be done
482
483 [23:40:55] <Ash_R> can we please stay on topic?
484
485 [23:41:48] <Hellow> We are basically helping each other to learn python, using the book "A byte of python" by Swaroop C H.
486
487 [23:41:51] <bodhi_zazen> Hellow: is this an issue for the team or just an announcement ?
488
489 [23:41:54] <Hellow> (sorry for the delay)
490
491 [23:41:57] <Hellow> An announcement
492
493 [23:42:4] <bodhi_zazen> is the book available on line ?
494
495 [23:42:6] <jimi_hendrix> whats going on?
496
497 [23:42:8] <bodhi_zazen> linky ?
498
499 [23:42:12] <Hellow> Yes, its a free-to-download book
500
501 [23:42:15] <Hellow> hold on
502
503 [23:42:47] <ibuclaw> bodhi_zazen, to my understanding, this is going to be revolved around the beginners-dev team.
504
505 [23:42:59] <JanC> and there are several other free python books on-line...
506
507 [23:43:12] <bodhi_zazen> Unless there is a need for discussion I say we move on w/ linky to be posted :)
508
509 [23:43:30] <Ash_R> ibuclaw, thats interesting. i am not planning to join that team yet, though i am still interested
510
511 [23:43:32] <swoody> Link to book through Google Docs: http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=F.a3b74a68-ecd7-4372-adc2-ab9abbbc1204
512
513 [23:43:38] <bodhi_zazen> which bring up ....
514
515 [23:43:47] <bodhi_zazen> new members ?
516
517 [23:43:58] <nhandler> Team Report Reflection
518
519 [23:44:2] <bodhi_zazen> or is there anything to report from the FG ?
520
521 [23:44:2] <Hellow> I dont think we have any
522
523 [23:44:38] <bodhi_zazen> swoody: that link is no good :)
524
525 [23:44:46] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: who is doing team report ?
526
527 [23:45:0] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: This is a discussion item I would like to bring up
528
529 [23:45:8] <Vantrax> Edu FG has news doesnt it bodhi...
530
531 [23:45:36] <swoody> Actual link for 'A Byte of Python': http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/Python
532
533 [23:45:40] <Hellow> For reference, the book is located here (in HTML): http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/
534
535 [23:46:4] <bodhi_zazen> Vantrax: news from Edu FG ?
536
537 [23:46:11] <bodhi_zazen> we went b4 the CC today
538
539 [23:46:23] <bodhi_zazen> to announce our UCLP project
540
541 [23:46:24] <Vantrax> and they love us:P
542
543 [23:46:28] <bodhi_zazen> welcome dinda :)
544
545 [23:46:43] <bodhi_zazen> LOL
546
547 [23:46:53] <dinda> couldn't find the channel - you mistyped it in the meeting room
548
549 [23:46:57] <bodhi_zazen> they wanted to know why we were there is more like it
550
551 [23:47:6] <nhandler> dinda: JanC corrected him shortly after ;)
552
553 [23:47:7] <bodhi_zazen> Oh, sorry dinda :(
554
555 [23:47:15] <Hellow> LOL bodhi_zazen
556
557 [23:47:38] <bodhi_zazen> thought everyone knew this channel =)
558
559 [23:47:40] <Ash_R> welcome w4ett
560
561 [23:48:6] <JanC> nhandler: whic hwas the reason why I corrected it publicly ;)
562
563 [23:48:11] <Vantrax> sorry dinda
564
565 [23:48:18] <bodhi_zazen> We are going to theme the moodle site, although I may want to change over to apache and mysql
566
567 [23:48:28] <bodhi_zazen> if anyone has an opinion, talk to me later
568
569 [23:48:48] <Vantrax> if anyone has mad css/gimp skills see me later:P
570
571 [23:48:50] <bodhi_zazen> right now I am running lighttp + postgre
572
573 [23:48:53] <JanC> which wasn't good enough apparently :-/
574
575 [23:48:58] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, do you have a link at hand?
576
577 [23:49:14] <bodhi_zazen> link for what Ash_R ?
578
579 [23:49:23] <bodhi_zazen> http://learn.ufbt.net/
580
581 [23:49:25] <Ash_R> the moodle site
582
583 [23:49:29] <bodhi_zazen> ^^
584
585 [23:49:32] <Ash_R> thank you
586
587 [23:49:35] <bodhi_zazen> np
588
589 [23:49:46] <nhandler> o/
590
591 [23:49:52] <bodhi_zazen> go nhandler :)
592
593 [23:49:55] <nhandler> We have been doing team reporting for about a month. I want to get the team's opinions about the stuff that we have been including or about the reports in general. Any suggestions / comments?
594
595 [23:50:3] <bodhi_zazen> I was going to ask , any other FG ?
596
597 [23:50:22] <nhandler> has to run to dinner and wanted to get that out there
598
599 [23:50:26] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: I have not had time to read it, lol
600
601 [23:50:27] <nhandler> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReports
602
603 [23:50:39] <bodhi_zazen> Ash_R: log in with openid, use your LP account
604
605 [23:50:48] <Ash_R> has paul tag said anything about IRC focus group?
606
607 [23:51:2] <Ash_R> time zones playing havoc and all that
608
609 [23:51:50] <bodhi_zazen> very nice nhandler :)
610
611 [23:52:2] <bodhi_zazen> no Ash_R , any news ?
612
613 [23:52:25] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, for team reports, can you email the list a bit in advance of when reports are due so FGs can update the page?
614
615 [23:52:41] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, not as such. i know he took over from Joeb454 as a part lead. i was curious to see if i have missed anything
616
617 [23:52:54] <bodhi_zazen> kk
618
619 [23:53:29] <bodhi_zazen> the education FG will be looking to add content to the UCLP site in the near future :)
620
621 [23:53:50] <bodhi_zazen> I think that is about all we have for the meeting this month
622
623 [23:53:55] <bodhi_zazen> any other issues ?
624
625 [23:53:58] <bodhi_zazen> questions ?
626
627 [23:54:44] <bodhi_zazen> I have one final issue then :)
628
629 [23:54:54] <bodhi_zazen> let us say behavior on this channel
630
631 [23:55:4] <bodhi_zazen> first, thank you to everyone for improving
632
633 [23:55:26] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to remind people, we have a diverse group now
634
635 [23:55:54] <bodhi_zazen> some people ( bodhi_zazen ) are old (farts) and mature
636
637 [23:55:59] <Vantrax> just wait till compiledkernel shows up
638
639 [23:56:1] <bodhi_zazen> others are younger
640
641 [23:56:22] <Hellow> Vantrax: dont say that word :P
642
643 [23:56:31] <Vantrax> <- some are somewhere in the middle
644
645 [23:56:36] <bodhi_zazen> I know the younger ones take a little more time sometimes, please direct them to me if then need some guidence
646
647 [23:56:53] <Hellow> <- and some are the complete opposite of old
648
649 [23:56:59] <bodhi_zazen> or if there are other members willing to mentor young ones let me know
650
651 [23:57:9] <yvan300> bodhi_zazen: what's that i hear about younger ones?
652
653 [23:57:9] <jgoguen> Hellow: youngster :P
654
655 [23:57:16] <Hellow> jgoguen: yep :P
656
657 [23:57:16] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: what do you mean by guidance? ;)
658
659 [23:57:22] <Vantrax> if your in the asia pacific timezone and need a mentor come see me:P
660
661 [23:57:32] <Ash_R> i would not mind bodhi_zazen , but i do not feel qualified.
662
663 [23:57:37] <Hellow> is already mentoring someone
664
665 [23:58:16] <duanedesign> o/I think it is important to resolve issues/differences right away. Dont hold grudges or develop animosity towards each other.
666
667 [23:58:18] <bodhi_zazen> Sometimes young people, say less then 30, especially less then 20, need a little more education re netiquette
668
669 [23:58:22] <yvan300> who hear lives in (-4)
670
671 [23:58:23] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: do you mean mentoring like the masters or something different?
672
673 [23:58:34] <jgoguen> yvan300: UTC-4?
674
675 [23:58:48] <yvan300> jgoguen: thats it :)
676
677 [23:58:50] <bodhi_zazen> no, mentoring in terms of immature behavior in this channel :)
678
679 [23:59:2] <jgoguen> yvan300: depends on the time of year, I'm either in UTC-3 or UTC-4...right now I'm UTC-3
680
681 [23:59:6] <bodhi_zazen> w/o mentioning specific names
682
683 [23:59:11] <jgoguen> lol
684
685 [23:59:27] <Ash_R> oh, i can do that...i think anyway
686
687 [23:59:30] <ibuclaw> JanC, we attract quite a few enthusiasts in their teens, by all means, they mean well. But can be noisey without realising it. :)
688
689 [23:59:31] <JanC> bodhi_zazen: if people need to learn netiquette, feel free to point them to me ;)
690
691 [23:59:35] <yvan300> bodhi_zazen: who do you mean, montel, right :)
692
693 [23:59:36] <bodhi_zazen> awesome Ash_R :)
694
695 [23:59:36] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: I don't mind taking people and explaining how things work
696
697 [23:59:44] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, thank you.
698
699 [23:59:47] <Hellow> ibuclaw: hey!
700
701 [23:59:51] <Hellow> lol
702
703 [23:59:56] <bodhi_zazen> speaking of montel, how is he doing ?
704
705 [0:0:6] <Hellow> has no idea on Montel
706
707 [0:0:7] <duanedesign> lol
708
709 [0:0:19] <yvan300> he should be online soon
710
711 [0:0:36] <duanedesign> o/
712
713 [0:0:38] <Ash_R> bodhi_zazen, i have not seen montel since he wiped his blog database or something
714
715 [0:0:40] <bodhi_zazen> Montel - you can lead noobs to documentation, but you can not make them read :)
716
717 [0:0:53] <ibuclaw> haha
718
719 [0:0:57] <bodhi_zazen> moves to end meeting
720
721 [0:1:2] <Hellow> LOL
722
723 [0:1:8] <JanC> well, if this channel is going to stay, I'll add it to my auto-join list...
724
725 [0:1:9] <jgoguen> bodhi_zazen: sudo aptitude purge $all_packages
726
727 [0:1:13] <ibuclaw> bodhi_zazen, there was a similar discussion about stickies in the forums
728
729 [0:1:22] <bodhi_zazen> JanC: you are most welcome to this channel
730
731 [0:1:35] <jgoguen> ibuclaw: something like the quickest way to get a thread ignored is to sticky it? :)
732
733 [0:2:5] <bodhi_zazen> naw, I just close threads that have need answered in a sticky
734
735 [0:2:16] <bodhi_zazen> w/ a message, there is a reason they are a sticky :)
736
737 [0:2:20] <yvan300> JanC: who are you?
738
739 [0:2:26] <bodhi_zazen> seems to work w/o causing too much havoc
740
741 [0:2:47] <ibuclaw> yvan300, a lugwv member, apparently ;)
742
743 [0:2:51] <bodhi_zazen> any other team issues ?
744
745 [0:2:54] <Snova> The weird thing about stickies is that I gloss over them, so I never notice when there are new posts. It really is the best way to get people to ignore things.
746
747 [0:2:56] <Hellow> ibuclaw: OBVIOUSNESS
748
749 [0:2:56] <bodhi_zazen> or end meeting ?
750
751 [0:2:58] <Hellow> ;p
752
753 [0:3:2] <Hellow> lets end it
754
755 [0:3:18] <Ash_R> i think meeting is over
756
757 [0:3:25] <bodhi_zazen> .meeting
758
759 [0:3:25] <Votebot> =-=-=Meeting mode disabled=-=-=
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