1 [22:02] <Rocket2DMn> Ok guys, let's get started with the BT Wiki FG meeting 2 [22:02] <Rocket2DMn> just FYI guys, the doc-team had a meeting last weekend 3 [22:02] <Rocket2DMn> You can find the summary and log here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/DocTeam 4 [22:02] <Rocket2DMn> Before we start with the wiki stuff - is anybody also interested in working on system docs? 5 [22:03] <starcraftman> not really, I'm pretty happy sticking to wiki atm. Maybe further down the road. 6 [22:03] <Rocket2DMn> ok then, let me know in the future if you are 7 [22:03] <Rocket2DMn> Moving on - Summer of Documentation 8 [22:04] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: will do. 9 [22:04] <Rocket2DMn> Thank you all for your hard work this summer, a lot of great stuff has been done 10 [22:04] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Development 11 [22:04] <Silver_Fox_> thank you too Rocket2DMn 12 [22:04] <Rocket2DMn> Of course, you can work on any page on the wiki, even if it isn't listed there 13 [22:05] <Rocket2DMn> also, you can add any pages to the Available section if you run across a page you think BT members might be able to handle 14 [22:05] <starcraftman> Yup, congrats to all, think we covered quite a bit of articles I'll get some more in before I go back in mid September. 15 [22:05] <Silver_Fox_> i am still beavering away at the list :) 16 [22:05] <Rocket2DMn> Yeah, we'll wind down the SoD in September 17 [22:05] <Rocket2DMn> perhaps around Sept 22, that is the weekend at the end of the Summer season 18 [22:06] <Rocket2DMn> Although, I fully expect some drop off around Labor day since people will be going back to school 19 [22:06] <Silver_Fox_> why do we want to wind it down? 20 [22:06] <Rocket2DMn> I recognize that this is all volunteer time, so don't stress yourselves 21 [22:06] <Rocket2DMn> well Silver_Fox_ , we can't maintain the Summer of Documentation all year round :) 22 [22:06] <starcraftman> Silver_Fox_: summer holiday doesn't last forever, even if some wish it did ^^ 23 [22:07] <Rocket2DMn> that's not to say you can't do work, it's just not part of this little project 24 [22:07] <Silver_Fox_> okay, just clarifying :) 25 [22:07] <Rocket2DMn> we do maintain the community docs all year round :) 26 [22:07] <Rocket2DMn> the SoD is really just a way to get people from the BT involved in the wiki 27 [22:07] <Silver_Fox_> hey, might even finish the glossary, haha 28 [22:08] <Rocket2DMn> Does anybody have any questions? 29 [22:09] <Silver_Fox_> i think that is a no 30 [22:09] <Rocket2DMn> Ok then, please feel free to interrupt me at any time, but I'll move on 31 [22:09] <starcraftman> Not really, I think someone wanted to know what to do with orphans.... 32 [22:09] <Rocket2DMn> A page that I've thrown at a couple of you guys is exactly what starcraftman is now mentioning 33 [22:09] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OrphanedPages 34 [22:09] <Rocket2DMn> those are pages that aren't linked from anywhere else on the community docs 35 [22:09] <Rocket2DMn> a lot of the pages listed there are redirects, so you can ignore those 36 [22:10] <Silver_Fox_> i have a question regarding that page 37 [22:10] <Rocket2DMn> However, many of those pages need homes, and pages that arent linked from elsewhere arent very useful unless somebody grabs it from google 38 [22:10] <Rocket2DMn> go for it Silver_Fox_ 39 [22:10] <Silver_Fox_> is it generated by a bot or human? reason i ask is i can see where some of the links could be referenced 40 [22:10] <Rocket2DMn> Silver_Fox_, it should be autogenerated 41 [22:11] <Silver_Fox_> okay, thank you Rocket2DMn. 42 [22:11] <Rocket2DMn> starcraftman asked me to give an example 43 [22:11] <starcraftman> I did? Don't think so ><. 44 [22:11] <Rocket2DMn> no, maybe it was somebody else 45 [22:12] <Rocket2DMn> sorry 46 [22:12] <Rocket2DMn> anyway, let's take https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WineServer 47 [22:12] <starcraftman> sure. 48 [22:12] <Rocket2DMn> if you look at the page history, you will notice that it was only created a year ago, which meant somebody started an independent page 49 [22:12] <Rocket2DMn> the main Wine page is here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine 50 [22:13] <Rocket2DMn> So what do we do with the WineServer page? 51 [22:13] <Rocket2DMn> why dont' you guys tell me what you would do :) 52 [22:13] <starcraftman> Link from WINE > WineServer. 53 [22:14] <starcraftman> The exact nature of how ya link it about though depends on the pages, the WINE page a bit of a mess as it is. 54 [22:14] <Silver_Fox_> check content of wine page first to see if wine server covered 55 [22:14] <Rocket2DMn> Yes, there could be content on the WineServer page that isn't covered on the Wine page 56 [22:15] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not a Wine expert, but it should be noted that Wine and WineServer are two components of what is generally just viewed as Wine 57 [22:15] <Rocket2DMn> perhaps there is content that should specifically remain on the WineServer page, or be moved there from the Wine page 58 [22:16] <Rocket2DMn> if somebody were to take on that page, they would need to do some research or already know more about wine than i do :) 59 [22:16] <starcraftman> Wineserver page definitely needs to be updated if it's to be linked, last tested on 606 it says. 60 [22:17] <starcraftman> I'm more of a VM user tbh. 61 [22:17] <Rocket2DMn> yeah starcraftman , after cleanup the links can be added 62 [22:17] <starcraftman> Though I have been trying desperately hard to get WINE to make my folding GPU windows client work, no luck though. 63 [22:17] <Rocket2DMn> lol 64 [22:18] <Rocket2DMn> well, there are other pages like this on the wiki that show us interesting things about what's happening with the wiki 65 [22:18] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PageHits 66 [22:18] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecentChanges 67 [22:18] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TitleIndex 68 [22:18] <starcraftman> hehe, I'm listed a lot on the recent changes one. :) 69 [22:18] <Rocket2DMn> There are a couple more i believe, but i dont recall them off the top of my head 70 [22:19] <Rocket2DMn> Any questions? 71 [22:19] <Rocket2DMn> ok then 72 [22:19] <starcraftman> nope, simple enough concept, already linked about 20 or so orphans I thought were worth saving. 73 [22:20] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not sure if you are already doing this, but it would be good if you all subscribed to pages that you did serious work on 74 [22:20] <Rocket2DMn> then you can act as a maintainer of the page, and see what changes other people make later 75 [22:20] <Silver_Fox_> good idea 76 [22:21] <starcraftman> Yup, I do that for the ones I rewrite like my backup and the ISO pages. 77 [22:21] <Silver_Fox_> are only 3 people here? 78 [22:21] <Rocket2DMn> I also want to note that if you work on pages that are important, popular, or probably/might have experts in the subject, you should seek those people out if appropriate to ask for advice about a page, or to let them know that you are working on it 79 [22:21] <dsas> Silver_Fox_: no 80 [22:22] <starcraftman> Silver_Fox_: Only 3 wiki fg members, yup, I think so. Rest are regular doc members. 81 [22:22] <Rocket2DMn> remember that this is a community effort and we are working with others to keep documentation up to date 82 [22:22] <Rocket2DMn> it is respectful and helpful to talk to others - you can always check to see who has contributed to pages by looking at the Page History 83 [22:23] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: Right, can always send a post to doc mail list to ask.. 84 [22:23] <Rocket2DMn> if you have questions or concerns, you can always take them to the doc-team mailing list, or other lists if appropriate 85 [22:23] <Rocket2DMn> exactly starcraftman 86 [22:23] <pleia2> some pages also instruct you not to edit them, so it's good to read them thoroughly too 87 [22:24] <Rocket2DMn> yes, those are ones that should be taken to mailing lists. there are only a handful of pages like that though, and are often ones linked from the main ubuntu site or are maintained by project owners 88 [22:25] <pleia2> yeah, I'm thinking council ones mostly (irc council's irc rules, loco council's loco team list) 89 [22:25] <Rocket2DMn> those are mostly on wiki.ubuntu.com, which we don't typically deal with 90 [22:25] <pleia2> ah, ok 91 [22:26] <Rocket2DMn> does anybody have any questions at all? I am basically out of material. I like to keep these meetings short 92 [22:27] <starcraftman> not really, I usually ask ya a question in the bt channel when it comes to me. 93 [22:27] <Silver_Fox_> I don't have any questions 94 [22:27] <Rocket2DMn> okie dokie then. Of course you can always ask questions later 95 [22:28] <Rocket2DMn> Thanks for attending, meeting adjourned!