Agenda
Meeting Agenda
Who |
What |
zkriesse |
Topic 1 - Start of Meeting etc. |
zkriesse |
Topic 2 - Let's get this team Back On Track!!! |
zkriesse |
Topic 3 - Who's Still around. |
zkriesse |
Topic 4 - Ideas/suggestions and Q&A session. |
zkriesse |
Topic 5 - |
Agenda Links and Notes
Meeting was held with the purpose of reviving the BT Wiki FG, meeting has been a success in this matter.
Meeting Agreements
Topic 1: Start of Meeting etc.
- Meeting was started, show of hands from those present, etc.
Topic 2: Let's get this team Back On Track!!!
- Revived the SoD Project, following statement from last meeting still applies.
This project covers both the Ubuntu Team Wiki and the Help.Ubuntu/community site, it was decided that the SoD Project would focus on updating the Help.Ubuntu/community site more than the Team Wiki. We'll still cover both just one more than the other...
Topic 3: Who's Still around.
- Just a section of seeing who of the team is still active etc.
Topic 4: Ideas/suggestions and Q&A session.
- Questions were previously answered in previous topics, meeting was subsequently ended.
Meeting Log
1 Started logging meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
2 [12:59:44] <zkriesse> Ok, welcome to the BT WIki Focus Group Meeting
3 [12:59:55] <zkriesse> Been a while since we've had one of these I know but that is changing
4 [13:00:17] <zkriesse> If the wiki will cooperate I shall have a meeting agenda lol
5 [13:00:49] * MH0 hopes the wiki aint playing up
6 [13:00:56] * MH0 gets the boot :P
7 [13:01:02] <UndiFineD> plenty of bugs in the wiki
8 [13:01:12] <zkriesse> [Link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Docs#Meetings
9 [13:01:19] <zkriesse> There's the agenda for the meeting
10 [13:01:29] <zkriesse> Ok, first topic!
11 [13:01:52] <zkriesse> [TOPIC] Topic 1 - Start of meeting, show of hands etc.
12 [13:02:21] <zkriesse> Ok, so....welcome to the meeting, glad you're here, if yo could just toss out your name and say "Im here!" or something that'd be great!
13 [13:02:36] <MH0> Im Here o/
14 [13:02:43] <UndiFineD> something that is great
15 [13:02:54] <zkriesse> UndiFineD: Joker....
16 [13:03:07] <zkriesse> collinp: You here for the meeting too?
17 [13:03:18] <collinp> Somewhat.
18 [13:03:22] <zkriesse> Yay!
19 [13:03:32] <zkriesse> Ok, well...moving on then
20 [13:03:45] <zkriesse> [TOPIC] Topic 2 - Time to get the team back on track...
21 [13:04:40] <zkriesse> Alright, as of late the BT has been going through some restructuring so I've been loathe to make any sudden movements which could possibly upset everything...but now that the boat is stable well, time to get stuff moving again!
22 [13:05:24] <zkriesse> Since we're almost into Spring (At least we dang well better be...too cold for me :P) I'd like for us to start getting prepared for the Summer of Documentation project
23 [13:05:57] <zkriesse> It's a great project, one which is fun, and awesome as it helps do a few things
24 [13:06:31] <zkriesse> Helps get the Wiki cleaned up and maintained, AND helps those who are interesed in wiki/doc work to learn more about the wiki and how the innards of it works
25 [13:06:59] <zkriesse> Any suggestions for a jump start to the wiki fg?
26 [13:07:24] <MH0> Hmm... So for the Summer of oc project
27 [13:07:40] <MH0> What will happen, all the unedited pages get deleted or?
28 [13:07:45] <zkriesse> We will be working more closely with the Ubuntu Documentation Team this year, helping them train new recruits, taking on some of the ones they need to have trained, and overall easing of their workload
29 [13:08:30] <zkriesse> MH0: Good question, the Summer of Documentation Project is basically the cleaning up/editing/and yes, deleting of old, forgotten pages on the help.ubuntu.com/community and wiki.ubuntu.com pages
30 [13:08:57] <MH0> Can we start now or is there a perticular date for it?
31 [13:09:30] <zkriesse> Well the "Summer of Doc" implies that it starts in the summer but the cleaning and maintaining of the wiki is a constant battle
32 [13:09:50] <zkriesse> So while there isn't a "Start Date" perce, there is a big "party" for the start of the project
33 [13:09:56] <zkriesse> Usually on the first day of summer or that
34 [13:09:58] <MH0> What priority pages will require cleanup?
35 [13:10:14] <zkriesse> Thats another good question
36 [13:10:46] <zkriesse> If you take a look at, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
37 [13:11:08] <zkriesse> You'll see that it lists a huge amount of "tags" that can be put on the help.ubuntu.com/community pages
38 [13:11:18] <zkriesse> If you don't know what the whole "Tag" thing is don't worry
39 [13:11:28] <zkriesse> That is easily explained and learned...
40 [13:11:35] <MH0> I know Tagging :)
41 [13:11:55] <zkriesse> On each page you can tag a page, and based upon the tag it will require less or more attention
42 [13:12:24] <MH0> So the most tagged + main pages are priority?
43 [13:12:27] <zkriesse> This is also where I kinda introduced a bug system for this whole thing
44 [13:12:33] <zkriesse> It can depend
45 [13:12:54] <zkriesse> But usually yes, tagged pages have been truly recognized as "Needing Cleaning" or etc
46 [13:13:15] <phillw> zkriesse:
47 [13:13:23] <zkriesse> phillw: ?
48 [13:13:37] <phillw> this may come as a flood, but from the email list...
49 [13:13:39] <phillw> > Over the last month or so i have been using the Recent Pages page
50 [13:13:40] <phillw> >?https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecentChanges?max_days=7?
51 [13:13:40] <phillw>
52 [13:13:40] <phillw> Hi
53 [13:13:40] <phillw> If is a persistant problem you can evaluate to introduce a TexCha [1] or
54 [13:13:40] <phillw> added in wikiconfig.py more range ip in hosts_deny = [ ]
55 [13:13:40] <phillw> In italian wiki we exclude some chinese range ip.
56 [13:14:11] <zkriesse> !pastebin | phillw
57 [13:14:12] <ubottu> phillw: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
58 [13:14:58] <zkriesse> Ok, when I mentioned "Bug System" i'm sure some of you were like "Bugs???? For a wiki page? Seriously?"
59 [13:15:07] <phillw> it is about vandalised pages, I'm sorry that I can not be more active, I'm still on duty shift as my bar staff has a poorly son.
60 [13:15:19] <zkriesse> phillw: It's fine phillw
61 [13:15:24] <zkriesse> phillw: Appreciate the notice
62 [13:15:56] <zkriesse> Well yes, I was and am serious...I introduced a bug system on the BT Wiki LP page last year for tracking who edits what pages for the SOD (Summer of Documentation) project
63 [13:15:59] <zkriesse> If you go to Well yes, I was and am serious...I intro
64 [13:16:01] <zkriesse> dangit
65 [13:16:01] <MH0> to bad there want a request for adminship becuase I would clearly block vandals ect.
66 [13:16:23] <zkriesse> MH0: it takes much time and progress to become a Wiki Admin
67 [13:16:28] <MH0> Yeah
68 [13:16:31] <zkriesse> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod
69 [13:16:34] <MH0> I fully understand that
70 [13:16:43] <zkriesse> If you look at that page you'll see some bugs that are listed
71 [13:16:55] <zkriesse> Those are old but a very good example of what I'm speaking about
72 [13:17:59] <MH0> Okies
73 [13:18:08] <MH0> So when would new bugs apper?
74 [13:18:13] <MH0> *appear
75 [13:18:15] <zkriesse> When you edit a page on the wiki for the SoD project I usually ask that you go to that page and file a bug...List the Wiki/Community Help page URL, the nature of the "Bug" (General Cleanup, complete overhaul, spell checking/edits, etc) and if it's been triaged, or if it's in progress
76 [13:19:04] <MH0> So as we look around
77 [13:19:13] <MH0> We can tag pages for SOD?
78 [13:19:15] <zkriesse> If that doesn't make sense, please...ask and I'll explain in more detail
79 [13:19:17] <zkriesse> Yes
80 [13:19:27] <zkriesse> If it's an edit for the Summer of Documentation project do that
81 [13:19:31] <zkriesse> Otherwise do not
82 [13:19:38] <zkriesse> This is just for the SoD project alone
83 [13:19:46] <MH0> zkriesse: It didnt make sence
84 [13:19:48] <phillw> zkriesse: you will getting two extra people for the next SOD, possibly 3 :)
85 [13:19:56] <zkriesse> phillw: Rad my man
86 [13:20:05] <MH0> What pages are under sod?
87 [13:20:19] <zkriesse> All wiki/community help pages
88 [13:20:25] <phillw> any page that needs updating
89 [13:20:28] <zkriesse> Ok, lemme say it this way
90 [13:20:42] <MH0> oh so all help.ubuntu.com?
91 [13:20:57] <zkriesse> help.ubuntu.com/COMMUNITY
92 [13:21:00] <zkriesse> and wiki.ubuntu.com
93 [13:21:05] <MH0> Yeah
94 [13:21:43] <MH0> Duh I amskign too many Q's
95 [13:21:57] <MH0> So when will the switchover to the new theme take?
96 [13:22:07] <zkriesse> When the SoD project starts, and say, Bobby wants to edit help.ubuntu.com/community/examplepage for the SoD project, he would file a bug on the https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod page, list the page URL, the nature of the bug/edit, and then list if it's been triaged, work in progress, etc
97 [13:22:12] <MH0> on help.ubuntu.com
98 [13:22:22] <zkriesse> That is a question which I have no answer atm
99 [13:22:46] <MH0> Triaged = Ready for SoD to work on?
100 [13:23:17] <zkriesse> Triaged is it's been taken care of
101 [13:23:22] <zkriesse> Or is being worked on
102 [13:23:28] <phillw> it may be worth mentioning that currently the italics is not working on the new scheme
103 [13:23:59] <MH0> pI noticed
104 [13:24:06] <MH0> phillw: ^^
105 [13:24:13] <phillw> the bug has been assigned to AlanBell
106 [13:24:18] <zkriesse> Or you can do "In Progress, Fix Committed, Confirmed, Invalid, Incomplete, Fix Released"
107 [13:24:30] <zkriesse> Those are the main ones I request ya use
108 [13:24:37] <UndiFineD> so we need more tagging, bugfiling and fixups
109 [13:24:40] <zkriesse> But if in doubt contact me or someone else who's done one
110 [13:24:57] <zkriesse> UndiFineD: BTW I got your request to join, pm me after meeting and we'll discuss it
111 [13:25:06] <UndiFineD> :)
112 [13:25:15] <MH0> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhpBB2 << This will be Outdated?
113 [13:25:29] <MH0> Its now PhpBB3 isnt it?
114 [13:26:14] <zkriesse> Well I imagine that some use PhpBB2 still so it's not current
115 [13:26:15] <phillw> MH0: some people still run it, but phpbb3 is the current version.
116 [13:26:25] <zkriesse> But neither is it outdated
117 [13:26:46] <MH0> Marked as Cleanup?
118 [13:27:11] <zkriesse> It would just be good to leave the page/check it for errors, and put an notice on the page either at the top or the bottom that phpBB3 is the current version and that it's page can be found at "foo"
119 [13:27:17] <phillw> MH0: the page would simply need a mention that there is now phpbb3 and a link.
120 [13:28:08] <zkriesse> After that it'd be fine to leave
121 [13:28:21] <MH0> zkriesse: Need to learn these TAAAGGGS off by heart :P
122 [13:28:30] <zkriesse> Just bookmark the page
123 [13:28:49] <zkriesse> As each tag links to a separate page with all the pages that have been tagged with that particular tag
124 [13:29:00] <MH0> Okies
125 [13:29:14] <MH0> Got the 2 wiki ninjas with me ;D
126 [13:29:37] <MH0> So, Anything else I would need to do as per SoD?
127 [13:29:45] <zkriesse> And if i page has been marked for removal OR you think it should be removed, don't do ANYTHING without first consulting phillw or myself
128 [13:30:27] <zkriesse> MH0: Just the usual after that, stay safe and curteous in editing as it's other peoples work that you're changing, make sure you edit correctly and always follow wiki guidelines
129 [13:30:34] <phillw> +1 I promised Phil Bull that I will retain a copy on my system and my server.
130 [13:31:01] <zkriesse> And always, ALWAYS talk to me or phillw if yo have a question
131 [13:31:07] <MH0> It says before adding Tags I need to consult Doc team?
132 [13:31:28] <zkriesse> Yes..you always should....or you can ask me or phillw and we'll find out for you
133 [13:31:38] <zkriesse> Which is why we hang out in #ubuntu-doc
134 [13:31:43] <phillw> MH0: yes you do need to do so.
135 [13:31:46] <MH0> /joinign
136 [13:31:52] <MH0> Gah! keyboard
137 [13:32:05] <zkriesse> phillw: BTW can I have you join #ubuntu-beginners-wiki ?
138 [13:32:18] <zkriesse> That's pretty much topic 2
139 [13:32:28] <zkriesse> Before I jump onto topic 3 any questions?
140 [13:32:52] <MH0> It only took 20 mins *chuckle*
141 [13:32:53] <phillw> zkriesse: ....... yeah I will, but there is only so much of me to around the teams.
142 [13:33:04] <zkriesse> phillw: I just like to have yo there is all
143 [13:34:05] <zkriesse> [TOPIC] Topic - 3 Whos still around?
144 [13:34:09] <UndiFineD> o/
145 [13:34:19] <MH0> o/ Im new, In a way
146 [13:34:21] <zkriesse> I figured i'd ask...is anyone around from last year in the team?
147 [13:34:31] <zkriesse> MH0: Yes...you're very new
148 [13:34:55] <phillw> zkriesse: done, and added to autojoin
149 [13:35:11] <zkriesse> phillw: Ty my good man
150 [13:35:17] <UndiFineD> and for me the same as phillw is having
151 [13:36:05] <zkriesse> Ok....i gues on to topic four then
152 [13:36:38] <zkriesse> [TOPIC] Topic 4 - Ideas/Suggestions and Q&A
153 [13:37:22] <zkriesse> I think the topic speaks for itself, any ideas? Bring em up...any suggestions? We buy those too...and we always sell Q&A
154 [13:38:42] <zkriesse> Anything? Anything at all?
155 [13:40:27] <UndiFineD> no you were quite clear :)
156 [13:40:27] <zkriesse> Well then I guess I shall end it the meeting
157 [13:40:56] <zkriesse> Thanks all for showing, I appreciate you coming and all the questions...afterwards ya can find me in #ubuntu-beginners-wiki for wiki/doc related matters
158 [13:41:01] <zkriesse> #endmeeting
159 Meeting ended.