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   1 [03:01] <jdeslip> Ok, everyone here for the meeting raise your hand
   2 [03:01] <akk> o/
   3 [03:01] <MarkDude> \o
   4 [03:01] <grantbow> o/
   5 [03:02] <jdeslip> Ok, hopefully some people trickle in during the hour.
   6 [03:02] <jdeslip> The 0th topic is (as always) announcements.  Anyone have anything to announce?
   7 [03:02] <philipballew> hand raised!
   8 [03:03]  * eps tries to figure out which left is my left
   9 [03:03] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
  10 [03:04] <jdeslip> David Wonderly mentioned that the week for Feb 28 is Ubuntu developer week
  11 [03:04] <jdeslip> If you want to attend, please check out the mailing list
  12 [03:04] <jdeslip> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
  13 [03:05] <ishimeru> Good evening everyone.
  14 [03:05] <jdeslip> Any other announcements?
  15 [03:06] <jdeslip> If not, we will move on to our only agenda item for tonight.  SCALE9X planning.
  16 [03:06] <jdeslip> SCALE is less than 2 weeks from tonight
  17 [03:06] <jdeslip> We will have booth at the expo on Saturday and Sunday the 26th and 27th
  18 [03:07] <jdeslip> And on friday their will be an Ubucon.
  19 [03:07] <jdeslip> If nhaines is around, perhaps he can briefly discuss the ubucon and what (if anything) is needed.
  20 [03:07] <jdeslip> (Thanks A LOT nhaines for making this happen and taking the lead)
  21 [03:10] <jdeslip> OK, if nhaines pops in later, we can disucss the ubucon, if not - I'm assuming enough speakers got back to him and we can disucss any necessary planning on the list.
  22 [03:10] <jdeslip> Moving on to our booth...
  23 [03:10] <jdeslip> The main thing we want to confirm tonight is the demo boxes
  24 [03:11] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Can you confirm the demo boxes you are bringing and whether they will be at the ubuntu table
  25 [03:11] <jdeslip> I know you are contributing to other tables as well
  26 [03:12] <MarkDude> Sry yes
  27 [03:12] <jdeslip> Also for those following along the scale planning is found on the wiki here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x
  28 [03:12] <jdeslip> Please add your name if you are coming and bringing anything
  29 [03:12]  * MarkDude has 2 machines- the other has iied and most likely needs pats
  30 [03:12] <dragonoid> o/
  31 [03:13] <jdeslip> Can you describe the two machines?  And will they be at the Ubuntu table the entire expo?
  32 [03:13] <jdeslip> or are they on a timeshare ;)
  33 [03:13] <MarkDude> both of the machines are there full time
  34 [03:14] <jdeslip> OK, can you add them to the wiki page with a description
  35 [03:14] <MarkDude> The Dell and the the compaq on the page already
  36 [03:14] <MarkDude> I may need to scratch the Strata
  37 [03:15] <iheartubuntu> are CD sleeves still needed? I can update the old artwork to be for 10.10 discs (or whatever is needed)
  38 [03:15] <jdeslip> Ah, I see, guess they are not in the table
  39 [03:15] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu - yes, we still need the sleeve design to be updated.
  40 [03:15]  * MarkDude will move them to correct place- as pleia2 reminded me to- and I forgot :P
  41 [03:15] <grantbow> iheartubuntu: that would be greatly appreciated
  42 [03:15] <iheartubuntu> ok - i will do it.
  43 [03:16] <iheartubuntu> are these printed in b/w or color?
  44 [03:16] <jdeslip> basically we just want the sleeves to include checkboxes for the next several releases (instead of last several releases)
  45 [03:16] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: both
  46 [03:16] <jdeslip> I am going to try to pring about 100 in color
  47 [03:16] <jdeslip> but often they are printed in black and white for cost
  48 [03:17] <iheartubuntu> on what sort of paper?
  49 [03:17] <jdeslip> 8-1/2-11
  50 [03:17] <jdeslip> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/CDSleeves
  51 [03:17] <jdeslip> You can just modify the design
  52 [03:17] <grantbow> it's in bzr
  53 [03:18] <iheartubuntu> got it thx
  54 [03:18] <jdeslip> Once you modify it, please send an email to list; so, I can get them printed.  :)
  55 [03:19] <iheartubuntu> will do. i will get this done sometime tonite
  56 [03:19] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
  57 [03:19] <jdeslip> erichammond1: are you still on track for burning 200 discs?
  58 [03:19]  * erichammond1 wakes up
  59 [03:20] <jdeslip> on the wiki page it says you are down for 200 discs - it is in the blank category, but I seem to remember you saying it would be 200 burned discs
  60 [03:20] <erichammond1> um, my name is in the "blank cds" row
  61 [03:20] <erichammond1> jdeslip: wishful thinking.
  62 [03:20] <rww> hehe
  63 [03:21] <grantbow> haha
  64 [03:21] <grantbow> 6 minutes or so each x200 is quite a bit
  65 [03:21] <jdeslip> true
  66 [03:21] <iheartubuntu> what version #'s do we want on the sleeve? right now its 8.04, 9.04, 9.10, and 10.04
  67 [03:21] <erichammond1> I did spend a little time looking around for a CD printing company that would print the CDs for free with a little advertising space on them.
  68 [03:21] <jdeslip> So, can anyone volunteer some burned cds?
  69 [03:22] <erichammond1> Didn't make much progress, but it seems that there might be somebody out there for future events.
  70 [03:22] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: I think 10.04 10.10 11.04 11.10
  71 [03:22] <iheartubuntu> are we burning them on CD or DVD?
  72 [03:22] <rww> iheartubuntu: CD
  73 [03:22] <jdeslip> CD
  74 [03:22] <iheartubuntu> i ask because i have better luck with burning to DVD :)
  75 [03:22] <grantbow> erichammond1: Canonical will gladly ship CDs at minimal cost for a modest donation, especially for versions they have extra of like 10.04 right now.
  76 [03:23] <grantbow> I've looked into getting CDs made too and the costs are quite high in relatively low volumes
  77 [03:23] <jdeslip> grantbow: We also have a conference pack that includes pressed cds
  78 [03:23] <grantbow> jdeslip: I hadn't forgotten :-)
  79 [03:24] <grantbow> shipit will work with us to act as a CD replicator at cost
  80 [03:24] <grantbow> their cost is much lower than anything I could find
  81 [03:24] <grantbow> I can check my notes
  82 [03:24] <jdeslip> OK, well, it seems like we will have a lot of blank cds on hand and I believe a burning box - DarkwingDucks
  83 [03:25] <erichammond1> grantbow: I'd love to hear what "cost" is.
  84 [03:25] <philipballew> would anyone just have a multiple cd burner they can lend for the weekend?
  85 [03:25] <iheartubuntu> I can commit to 50 CDs. let me know what speed you want them burned to and any other info like what ISOs
  86 [03:25] <grantbow> erichammond1: np
  87 [03:25] <erichammond1> I did say I could print some color sleeves (100+?) if the design is updated and somebody contacts me about it more than a day in advance.
  88 [03:26] <philipballew> i can do cds as well. just need the number, version and speed
  89 [03:26] <grantbow> marking CDs, printing sleeves, folding sleeves, stuffing, all of these are factors we take for "granted" in low volumes.
  90 [03:26] <iheartubuntu> erichammond1 - i will post the CD sleeve file to the mailing list sometime tonite
  91 [03:26] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: thanks! can you add your name to the wiki page?
  92 [03:27] <jdeslip> philipballew: the number is however much you can commit to 50? Mostly i386 desktop edition.
  93 [03:27] <jdeslip> Does speed actually matter?  I mean, as long as your burner can handle it?
  94 [03:27] <rww> jdeslip: Higher speeds means more chance of failures. On modern equipment, I usually go with 8x.
  95 [03:27] <philipballew> i can do 50. i assume this is 10.10? not to show up looking like an idiot with the wrong version
  96 [03:27] <iheartubuntu> are we in need of any computers? i have an acer aspireone netbook with ubuntu 10.10 on it (desktop, unity, 2D). i can have it avail when im around.
  97 [03:27] <grantbow> I do x16 speed for higher reliability - I found speed does matter.
  98 [03:28] <philipballew> i have a dell studeo 10.10 ready for use if need be
  99 [03:28] <iheartubuntu> not slower than 16x ?
 100 [03:28] <grantbow> rww: your script rocks
 101 [03:28] <jdeslip> Yes, please do 10.10
 102 [03:28] <philipballew> exelent
 103 [03:28] <iheartubuntu> so 50 of 10.10?
 104 [03:28] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys, sry I'm late
 105 [03:28] <jdeslip> OK, if the expert say speed matters, do 16x and lower
 106 [03:28] <rww> grantbow: come to think of it, I don't remember if I merged in those changes you sent me... will go check now.
 107 [03:29] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: that would be awesome.  please add your name to the wiki if you can do it. :)
 108 [03:29] <grantbow> http://rww.name/scripts/cdwrite.sh
 109 [03:29] <philipballew> yes. i will do 50 of 10.10 32 bit
 110 [03:29] <jdeslip> great
 111 [03:29] <grantbow> rww: I think it was minor, like using the configured device on all commands as I recall.
 112 [03:30] <jdeslip> Does anyone have anything else to add about SCALE planning?
 113 [03:30] <grantbow> short meetings are not bad - work can still get done at other times :-)
 114 [03:31] <philipballew> is there a section in the wiki for burned cds or should i add one?
 115 [03:31] <jdeslip> philipballew: on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x
 116 [03:31] <philipballew> thanks
 117 [03:31] <jdeslip> there is a table and row for "pre-Burned cds"
 118 [03:32] <jdeslip> OK, I think we have pretty much everything covered (I will add myself as bringing the banner).
 119 [03:33] <erichammond1> It would be smart for somebody to bring a backup network switch in the event EricHammond doesn't come through or his switch fails.
 120 [03:33] <jdeslip> Does anyone have anything else to add before we end the official meeting?
 121 [03:33] <jdeslip> erichammond1: ya, I heard that guy is unreliable ;)
 122 [03:33] <erichammond1> ;-/
 123 [03:33] <erichammond1> I'm a fan of redundancy
 124 [03:33] <jdeslip> If anyone else can bring a switch, please add your name to the wiki
 125 [03:34] <grantbow> erichammond1: good idea
 126 [03:34] <jdeslip> (thinks I have spare linksys router I can bring)
 127 [03:34] <grantbow> jdeslip: the one that looks best on Android from a quick inspection as a tally counter is from Nuvera Apps named T-Counter
 128 [03:34] <rww> grantbow: looking at the diff, it 1) makes a couple of changes to eject calls that I think were because my burner needs some ejects that yours didn't, 2) switches the speed from 8x to 16x, and 3) disables MD5SUM checking (that I don't think we got working fully anyway?). I'll leave it for now and see if I can improve the MD5SUM stuff instead of commenting it out and cut down on the eject usage.
 129 [03:35] <iheartubuntu> im too slow to update the wiki. i'll do my updating after the meeting (sorry)
 130 [03:35] <rww> I'll add optional arguments for speed etc. too
 131 [03:35] <jdeslip> iheartubuntu: no worries
 132 [03:36] <jdeslip> erichammond1: you bringing some cat5 cable too?
 133 [03:36] <DarkwingDuck> I have a single CD/DVD burner on my laptop. I will have all of the ISOs you can think of.
 134 [03:36] <jdeslip> MarkDude: will you be providing your own cat5 cable for demo boxes?
 135 [03:36] <iheartubuntu> will there be wi-fi available?
 136 [03:36] <MarkDude> Sure what osrt of assortment should I bring?
 137 [03:36] <grantbow> rww: I think I explained in my email that I didn't expect all of that to get merged - some of the need for the ejects depends on the type of burner you use (manual or automatic tray, etc).
 138 [03:37] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: there is but... bandwidth is really bad
 139 [03:37] <MarkDude> GK has all sorts of cables and wires and such
 140 [03:37] <iheartubuntu> ok
 141 [03:37] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Maybe a few 5" cables?
 142 [03:37] <rww> grantbow: ah, I didn't look at the email body. indeed you did.
 143 [03:37] <jdeslip> err 5'
 144 [03:37] <erichammond1> jdeslip: I don't have spare cables right now.  I could buy some cheap online if needed.
 145 [03:37] <MarkDude> wisdom of sages (akk) NEVER trust wifi at conferences
 146 [03:37] <rww> grantbow: I think the problems with getting console beeps were actually caused by a headachy bug in compiz. I'll ping my compiz contact and see if that's still an issue.
 147 [03:38] <erichammond1> DarkwingDuck: This is a new location with multiple times more bandwidth.  We don't know how good/bad it will be.
 148 [03:38]  * MarkDude can bring 20 or so of that size
 149 [03:38] <iheartubuntu> 64 bit versions of 10.10 needed/wanted?
 150 [03:38] <grantbow> rww: the only important thing was to get all the ejects and calls using the same /dev/ device variable so they all change at once. I tripped on that later and it might not be in the diff
 151 [03:38] <DarkwingDuck> erichammond1: Aye, but if everyone is using the same connection...
 152 [03:38] <MarkDude> a tethered phone would be great for scheduled times
 153 [03:38] <jdeslip> MarkDude: probably 5 or so cables would be good.
 154 [03:38] <jdeslip> I have a tethered phone to bring
 155 [03:38] <jdeslip> MarkDude: can you add the cable to the wiki?
 156 [03:39] <MarkDude> Ok, lets see if any thing else
 157 [03:39] <jdeslip> OK... so, anyone have any other questions about scale?
 158 [03:39] <rww> grantbow: It's not. I'll add an otpional argument for device and default it to /dev/sd0
 159 [03:39] <rww> sr0 **
 160 [03:39] <rww> (and use it in the eject calls)
 161 [03:39] <MarkDude> oh, lets try to Ustream or Justin TV some stuff for Scale
 162 [03:40] <erichammond1> Does our booth have limits on network usage (number of computers, wifi broadcasting, ...)?
 163 [03:40] <DarkwingDuck> Has anyone emailed nhaines to requesting a talking topic for Ubucon?
 164 [03:40] <akk> rww: There's a kernel issue with console beeps too.
 165 [03:40] <jdeslip> DarkwingDuck: I did and pleia2 did I think
 166 [03:40] <MarkDude> tethered phone and ok cheap mic work well even on crappy bandwidth
 167 [03:40] <DarkwingDuck> As did I
 168 [03:40] <jdeslip> erichammond1: I am not sure they released that type of info
 169 [03:40] <rww> erichammond1: If it's the same as last year, number of computers isn't an issue, but wifi wasn't allowed I think.
 170 [03:40] <MarkDude> sound remains good - picture degrades
 171 [03:41] <DarkwingDuck> rww: correct. We were not allowed Wifi
 172 [03:41] <DarkwingDuck> other then provided wifi
 173 [03:41] <erichammond1> so my little switch only has 4 hardware ports which limits it to 4 computers with Internet access.
 174 [03:41] <MarkDude> Tethered worked well withNO wifi at Scale
 175 [03:42]  * MarkDude is just telling all of you to root your phone so tethering can happen
 176 [03:42] <MarkDude> :D
 177 [03:42] <rww> akk: ah. I'll just comment the line out, then.
 178 [03:42] <jdeslip> MarkDude: I can provide tethering if onsite internet fails
 179 [03:43] <jdeslip> Ok. Let's wrap this up.  Please add your name to the wiki if you made a commitment to discs etc. tonight.
 180 [03:43] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: already rooted and some of that GingerBread goodness
 181 [03:43]  * MarkDude suggest some sort of videos be made
 182 [03:43] <MarkDude> at least a bit of Ubucon
 183 [03:43] <jdeslip> Can probably do that with various android phones
 184 [03:43] <iheartubuntu> is keeping the sleeve file an SVG format important?
 185 [03:43] <MarkDude> many folks still dont know what the heck it is :)
 186 [03:43] <erichammond1> My Internet access through my 4G phone is an 8 device wifi hotspot,  but I don't know how much I'll be around the booth.
 187 [03:43] <rww> iheartubuntu: yes
 188 [03:43] <DarkwingDuck> Does anyone have a video camera?
 189 [03:43] <jdeslip> iheartubunut: svg would be best since it is scalable
 190 [03:44] <MarkDude> Anyone going to be there for Ubucon with a tether phone?
 191 [03:44] <jdeslip> I will (if needed)
 192 [03:45] <DarkwingDuck> As will I
 193 [03:45] <iheartubuntu> ok
 194 [03:45] <jdeslip> More discussions on details of SCALE setup etc. will happen on the mailing list, channel in the days leading up to the conference. I think we will plan some sort of meeting on the Friday during/after ubucon
 195 [03:46] <DarkwingDuck> +1 for after Ubucon
 196 [03:46] <erichammond1> Is there a meeting next Sunday?
 197 [03:46] <jdeslip> erichammond1: you mean in two weeks?
 198 [03:46] <MarkDude> Alright- lets plan on streaming some of Ubucon-
 199 [03:46] <jdeslip> I am not yet sure - given that a larger fraction of the team will be at scale
 200 [03:46] <erichammond1> jdeslip: oh, nevermind.  SCALE is sneaking up fast.
 201 [03:46] <rww> It got moved to an in-person one on Saturday last year, which I thought was helpful.
 202 [03:47]  * MarkDude can create an acct for Ustream- or the Team can use mine
 203 [03:47] <jdeslip> rww: sounds like a good idea
 204 [03:47] <MarkDude> rww, if everyone had known about it sure :)
 205 [03:48] <jdeslip> How about a meeting on the Friday after Ubucon - which can serve as a meet and greet and a planning meeting for the next two days?
 206 [03:48] <rww> MarkDude: Given all the places that meeting times are posted...
 207 [03:49] <MarkDude> Ustream also allows for remote participation
 208 [03:49] <MarkDude> folks can ask questions
 209 [03:49] <jdeslip> Let's not worry too much about what happened last time, ok ;) I'll send an email to the list proposing a meeting Friday night and trying to get peoples schedules aligned
 210 [03:49] <rww> jdeslip: Saturday was useful as a "We've done one day of booth. What changes do we need to make for day two?". I'm not gonna be there, though, so my preferences don't count ;)
 211 [03:50]  * MarkDude is making sure we get the details set as to when to meet- they shifted last time
 212 [03:50] <MarkDude> No worries, water under the bridge
 213 [03:50] <jdeslip> rww: not a bad point. I'll send the email to the list and see what people want.  Friday or Saturday.
 214 [03:50] <rww> (and as far as I know, ustream only works if you use Flash, so I won't be remote attending)
 215 [03:50] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
 216 [03:50] <jdeslip> OK... So lets wrap this up for real.  Thanks for coming everyone!
 217 [03:51] <jdeslip> The next official IRC meeting will therefore be in 4 weeks, and we will have an in-person meeting either Friday or Saturday at SCALE
 218 [03:52] <jdeslip> ---------------------- End of Official Meeting ----------------