2011-03-22
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Weekly Summary
- New language packs for maverick uploaded, with fixed Firefox search plugins (pitti)
Apport now supports package hooks specifying automatic bug duplication patterns (pitti)
- New scour version; this fixes a lot of SVG icon corruption during package build (pitti)
- GNOME3 PPA starting to get 2.91.92 updates (bigon, rodrigo)
LibreOffice: (Bjoern Michaelsen)
- New upstream bugfix release 3.3.2 released today
- now includes rewitten launchpad integration lp#696524
- will be in ppa today, in main tommorrow
- GNOME3 PPA now has a working anjuta and glade (mterry)
Partner update
DX
Desktop menu layout changes bug 692194
- lo-menubar has reached 0.1.0, aruiz said he thinks it should be stable now
FFE for overlay scrollbars bug 730740
UbuntuOne
- bindwood with ff4 support has landed
- ubuntuone-couch is in binNEW now, useful utility for managing your couch data directly in the cloud
Unity
- All details here:
https://launchpad.net/unity/3.0/3.6.6
- As you can see, we got a lot bug fixes and enhancement:
- drag and drop from the dash
- better applications matching with kde apps
- software center integration
- better "search" title in places
- some default keybindings and compiz refinement
For next week: release tomorrow or Thursday. Bug fixes mainly (with some rewrite) and multimonitor better support. New compiz upload today with an ABI break We need a multitouch FFe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/737601
Default session for a11y will be taken from beta's unity state.
Software Center
- Unity Launcher integration feature
FFe for Unity side was approved LP: #670403
- Unity and Unity 2D support for the feature has been completed and released
- Now that all the parts are in place, the feature has been enabled in Software Center release 3.1.24 (today)
- Some tweaking and improvements to the launcher integration user experience is planned in the next day or so and as we get feedback, plan is to complete this for UI freeze
- Software Center versions 3.1.23.3 and 3.1.24 released, includes:
- Many great bug fixes
- Launcher integration enabled
- Many small but cool enhancements
- Next up, revisit startup time work. We are already in great shape here, but will try to pare it down further if possible.
- We continue to focus on bugfixes, stability and refinements to the user experience and usability
Kubuntu
X.org
IRC log Western edition
17:31:33 pitti https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-03-22 17:31:37 pitti welcome everyone to today's meeting 17:31:42 tremolux hey everybody ! 17:32:00 pitti not that much going on on the weekly summary, I guess that means everyone is working on bugs like mad? :) 17:32:03 seb128 hey pitti 17:32:26 pitti so, let's dive right in 17:32:33 pitti kenvandine: want to start us off with partner update? 17:32:35 kenvandine yup 17:32:56 kenvandine not a ton to report, happy it is mostly bug focus time 17:32:57 kenvandine DX 17:33:03 kenvandine Desktop menu layout changes bug 692194 17:33:04 ubot2 Launchpad bug 692194 in unity-foundations "Desktop menu adjustments for Natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692194 17:33:11 kenvandine lo-menubar has reached 0.1.0, aruiz said he thinks it should be stable now 17:33:16 kenvandine FFE for overlay scrollbars bug 730740 17:33:16 ubot2 Launchpad bug 730740 in gtk+2.0 "Provide support for dynamically loading the new overlay scrollbar feature" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730740 17:33:39 kenvandine and UbuntuOne 17:33:49 kenvandine bindwood for ff4 and ubuntuone-couch are not uploaded 17:34:04 chrisccoulson bindwood is ;) 17:34:07 kenvandine that's all i have 17:34:36 pitti ^ as for the scrollbar FFE, it hasn't been approved yet, and I don't think the release team will (I'm not that happy about it either); so this needs an explicit sabdfl "override" on the bug 17:34:46 kklimonda hey, could someone take a look at bug 736236 and see if doesn't miss anything obvious? 17:34:47 ubot2 Launchpad bug 736236 in mm-common "[MIR] mm-common" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736236 17:34:51 pitti (if we should push it, that is) 17:34:53 kenvandine pitti, ok.. dbarth_ ^^ 17:35:18 chrisccoulson kenvandine, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bindwood/1.99.0-0ubuntu1 17:35:20 pitti Sweetshark, kenvandine: to confirm, lo-menubar should stay in universe for natty? or go into default install? 17:35:34 kenvandine pitti, that is the plan as i know it 17:35:46 kenvandine i would love to see it on the CD 17:35:49 Sweetshark pitti: universe, as far as i am concerned 17:35:54 kenvandine but i fear it hasn't had enough testing 17:36:04 kenvandine it does provide a much more consistent experience though 17:36:08 pitti will look at the desktop menu thing later on, haven't seen that one yet 17:36:19 kenvandine pitti, seb128 is working on that now 17:36:30 pitti ah, ok 17:36:40 seb128 pitti, ted just handed it over today 17:36:43 seb128 I'm on it 17:37:19 pitti so, [TOPIC] unity update -- didrocks, anything new to report? 17:37:37 didrocks hey 17:37:58 didrocks All details of last release with the usual milestone: https://launchpad.net/unity/3.0/3.6.6 17:38:06 didrocks As you can see, we got a lot bug fixes and enhancement: 17:38:08 didrocks - drag and drop from the dash 17:38:10 didrocks - better applications matching with kde apps 17:38:12 didrocks - software center integration 17:38:14 didrocks - better "search" title in places 17:38:15 * pitti loves the length of the weekly bug list in the changelogs 17:38:16 didrocks - some default keybindings and compiz refinement 17:38:31 didrocks For next week: release tomorrow or Thursday. Bug fixes mainly (with some rewrite) and multimonitor better support. 17:38:43 didrocks We need a multitouch FFe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/737601 17:38:44 ubot2 Launchpad bug 737601 in unity "Restore MT support in Unity" [Medium,In progress] 17:38:53 didrocks to get to the same state than what we had in maverick 17:38:56 pitti didrocks: ^ will look after meeting 17:38:58 didrocks pitti: if you can have a look :) 17:39:00 didrocks thanks! 17:39:01 pitti (if it's a regression, should be easy) 17:39:14 didrocks that's basically it :) 17:39:27 didrocks new compiz upload today 17:39:28 pitti didrocks: do you know the latest word wrt. a11y? 17:39:29 chrisccoulson didrocks, do you know if bug 718926 is on anyones radar? that's pretty bad, and i don't want it to get forgotten about 17:39:30 ubot2 Launchpad bug 718926 in bamf "Some apps don't integrate to appmenu after having their windows closed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718926 17:39:32 didrocks with ABI break 17:39:53 didrocks pitti: launcher is fully a11y. Still need some investigation this week for places though 17:40:11 charlie-tca It is? 17:40:14 didrocks chrisccoulson: not that I know of. I'll have a look 17:40:17 chrisccoulson thanks 17:40:26 chrisccoulson i'm not sure it's a bamf issue tbh 17:40:34 charlie-tca When did we get orca working with the launcher? 17:40:37 pitti didrocks: in our last discussion with TheMuso we ended up with starting classic gnome for the a11y profile 17:40:45 pitti didrocks: but that was already a week ago 17:40:47 didrocks charlie-tca: orca should work on the launcher 17:40:59 charlie-tca not today, it don't 17:40:59 didrocks and TheMuso confirmed this 17:41:09 rodrigo_ but not on the dash/places 17:41:19 pitti there's still a handful of WIs left for a11y, anyway 17:41:23 didrocks charlie-tca: you should raise this issue with rodrigo_ and API on #ayatana then 17:41:31 charlie-tca okay 17:42:03 pitti I think it'd be fine to have the "classic on a11y" changes after beta-1, so we can still give it some two weeks to mature 17:42:16 pitti but my feeling is that we should rather do that than deliver something half-done 17:42:38 pitti visual bling isn't half as important for blind people than reliability 17:42:58 didrocks pitti: we discussed with TheMuso 17:43:06 pitti "visual" -> "workflow", as "fast searching in dash", etc.) 17:43:16 didrocks and jasoncwarner and discussed that we would take the decision just after beta 17:43:21 pitti didrocks: ok, sounds like a plan 17:43:28 pitti seems we are all in agreement then 17:44:08 pitti tremolux: do you have something about software-center? (wiki section is empty) 17:44:39 tremolux pitti: please refresh, I got it in just before the meeting 17:44:39 pitti oh, a page reload magically made the report appear :) 17:44:44 tremolux haha! yeah 17:44:54 Pendulum I'd just like to point out that not all a11y is for visual impairment 17:45:06 pitti Pendulum: yes, of course 17:45:15 tremolux I can paste a summary 17:45:18 tremolux * Unity launcher integration FFe was granted; Unity and Unity 3D implementations complete and released (many thanks didrocks and nerochiaro!!!) 17:45:18 tremolux * With all parts in place now, we've enabled the Software Center side of launcher integration with today's release (3.1.24) 17:45:18 tremolux * In the end, we decided on a somewhat scaled back version of the full design, but what we have should be quite useful for Natty and we'll make it cooler in Oneiric 17:45:18 tremolux * Lots of great bug fixes and UI improvements in last week's release 3.1.23.1 and even more in today's 3.1.24 17:45:21 tremolux * Particular focus on final UI cleanup items before freeze this week, plus revisit startup time (already dramatically improved over maverick, but see if we can get more) 17:45:22 pitti Pendulum: we were really talking about "some a11y profiles", mainly about screen readers, etc. 17:45:41 tremolux yow, that's a pretty huge summary, sorry :P 17:45:53 pitti tremolux: seems just fine to me 17:45:55 pitti thanks 17:46:03 tremolux cool, thank you 17:46:17 pitti tremolux: is there still work needed for startup speed, or AWTY and can focus on bugs fully? 17:46:53 tremolux pitti: we can talk about it, we are well under the goal in the charts 17:46:55 pitti the WI is still open for that 17:47:01 tremolux right 17:47:17 pitti tremolux: i. e. "not met the goal", or "well under the time treshold"? 17:47:35 tremolux the reason is that, when starting up fresh off a reboot, the time is over 5 seconds on the Dell Mini reference still 17:47:56 pitti http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/software-center/mini10-startup/startup-times.png looks awesome 17:48:01 tremolux the target is under 5 seconds on the reference 17:48:13 pitti ah, so all of that is hot cache? 17:48:14 tremolux which is a slow machine 17:48:36 tremolux yeah, but even with those cold-cache approaches in the bug, we meet the goal 17:48:57 tremolux we only don't meet it in a fresh reboot, so that cold-cache techniques seem not fully sufficient 17:49:00 pitti tremolux: to me it feels like the focus should be on bug fixing now, and speed improvements should be an offside project now 17:49:12 tremolux pitti: agreed 17:49:21 pitti anyway, that's an amazing improvement! 17:49:26 tremolux pitti: I'll talk with mvo, it's really been much improved 17:49:30 pitti thanks 17:49:36 tremolux you can feel the difference, it's dramatic 17:49:44 tremolux pitti: thanks :) 17:49:57 pitti Riddell: anything noteworthy on the Kubuntu front? 17:50:09 Riddell * CDs in decent shape for beta, or will be once oversizing problem is fixed 17:50:13 Riddell * switching Qt to opengles on ARM means fixes needed to packages which use opengl, mobile team to fix. I've also been helping linary folks package kwin for opengles 17:50:15 Riddell * Qt accessibility bridge in ppa:jr if anyone wants to test 17:50:18 Riddell * http://goo.gl/23eui 9 bugs milestoned for beta http://goo.gl/23eui 17:50:29 Riddell I've also been learning how to package RPMs to get usb-creator into suse 17:51:12 seb128 changing distro? ;-) 17:51:42 Riddell only to make it possible for suse users to try out ubuntu :) 17:52:03 seb128 ;-) 17:52:14 pitti Riddell: oversizing problem> is that due to eglibc-source and friends, from today? 17:52:29 Riddell pitti: yes 17:52:35 pitti rpms> heh, nice 17:52:47 pitti Riddell: ah, that shoudl hopefully be fixed in tomorrow's dailies 17:53:01 pitti Riddell: how hard was it to package, OOI? 17:53:27 Riddell pitti: just as fiddly as .deb packages :) 17:53:40 pitti opengles> does that mean all packages which currently use OpenGL on arm need to be changed to GLES as well? or are they binary compatible in some way? 17:54:04 Riddell pitti: all qt packages do yes, they're not binary or source compatible 17:54:18 Riddell so it's potentially quite problematic 17:55:01 Riddell talking of problematic we had to work out how to get cmake support multiarch this week, I think we have a reasonable way to do it now for natty but debian are saying it's not their preferred solution 17:55:13 pitti Riddell: I meant the libgl1-mesa-glx rdepends 17:55:39 pitti Riddell: AFAIUI that was mostly a quick hack to unbreak it for now, righht? 17:55:53 pitti to add the extra search paths to cmake 17:56:34 Riddell pitti: qt bits depending on libgl1-mesa-glx do need to be changed to openGLES 17:56:54 pitti Riddell: ah, only qt, not all other ~ 400 packages? 17:57:08 pitti that sounds a bit less scary then 17:57:22 Riddell right, it's due to qt being built with gles on arm now 17:57:33 pitti Riddell: so that's mainly in mobile team's hands, right? 17:57:39 Riddell yes 17:57:42 pitti ok, good 17:57:48 pitti thank you 17:57:58 pitti X.org will be done in the eastern edition 17:58:08 Riddell the cmake change is quite a successful quick hack, I don't think it's worth us spending more time on it but I'll be in contact with debian and upstream incase they think it is 17:58:50 -- cking__ ist nun als cking bekannt 17:58:51 pitti I agree; the multiarch stuff is slowly landing in debian, so eventually they'll get to it as well, but they can take some more time to fix it properly 17:59:26 pitti I originally planned to discuss current RC bugs and WIs in the meeting, but I think I'll rather go round and discuss with people individually 17:59:34 pitti http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html looks a bit dire 17:59:43 pitti so if everyone coudl stay around for a little more, that'd be appreciated 17:59:55 pitti but I'd like to keep the official meeting short 18:00:01 seb128 hum, time to run ? ;-) 18:00:03 pitti anything else which we should discuss? 18:00:30 pitti /msg seb128 let's start with you; stop slurping cocktails and fix gtk bugz!! 18:00:35 Sweetshark kenvandine, pitti: just to clarify: lo-menubar stays in universe for natty, but will be upstreamed to LO for 3.4 (hopefully, if resources allow) so it will be in main then and we can decide on if we want to dis/enable it (via configuration) still. 18:00:36 pitti oops :) 18:00:56 Sweetshark pitti: I am a concerned about bug 731556 / freedesktop bug 33915 because it seems to be Ubuntu only. 18:00:56 kenvandine Sweetshark, yeaj 18:01:01 pitti Sweetshark: that's the spirit! (regarding some heated blogosphere discussions..) 18:01:06 Sweetshark pitti: *hrhr* 18:01:13 ubot2 Launchpad bug 731556 in df-libreoffice "LibreOffice erases user settings, and block the use of interface styles..." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731556 18:01:14 ubot2 Sweetshark: Error: Could not parse XML returned by Freedesktop: The read operation timed out (http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/xml.cgi?id=33915) 18:01:40 kenvandine Sweetshark, however i think for next cycle, until it lands in LO we should include it as a separate package 18:01:49 pitti Sweetshark: hm, that report is a bit vague about reproduction and effect? 18:01:50 kenvandine just in case that gets dropped 18:01:52 kenvandine and for testing 18:03:46 Sweetshark pitti: well, thats the fun of it. its one of those issues with possibly Java, Quickstarter, Hibernate involved. But if it is indeed Ubuntu-only and eats the user config thats indeed a serious issue. 18:03:49 pitti ok, let's end the official part then, thanks everyone! 18:04:09 pitti Sweetshark: yes, agreed -- it would just be nice to get a reproducer for it first
IRC log Eastern edition
(08:31:32) jasoncwarner: TheMuso bryceh RAOF robert_ancell https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-03-22 (08:31:35) jasoncwarner: everyone ready? (08:31:39) robert_ancell: yup (08:32:05) jasoncwarner: morning, robert_ancell! (08:32:07) RAOF: Yup. (08:32:20) bryceh: heya (08:32:31) jasoncwarner: morning RAOF and bryceh (08:32:39) jasoncwarner: ok...seems we have enough. Jumping in (08:32:44) jasoncwarner: [TOPIC] X update (08:33:23) bryceh: bugs bugs bugs (08:33:24) RAOF: We now have the final Xserver 1.10 in Natty. (08:33:38) RAOF: There shall no longer be any mass-rebuilds of the stack. Yay! (08:34:14) bryceh: got fixes in for the vesafb issue causing so many GPU lockups (08:34:14) jasoncwarner: yay! (08:34:42) bryceh: we're still seeing some scattered GPU lockups for other unrelated issues, but the rate of incoming bug reports has gone *way* down (08:35:01) jasoncwarner: Well, I guess there needn't be a long update for X given where we are in cycle; I think "bugs" says it all ;) (08:35:22) bryceh: also I got pitti's DuplicateSignature support added to the -intel apport hook, so that is helping reduce a lot of the triaging work (thanks pitti) (08:35:42) bryceh: aside from fglrx I don't think we have any other outstanding bits. raof, anything you know of we're pending on? (08:36:25) RAOF: There's the middle-button emulation thingy, but that's not really pending. (08:36:48) jasoncwarner: alright... (08:36:52) bryceh: yeah, think it's just down to bugs. (08:36:56) RAOF: It should be bugs from here on in! (08:37:03) jasoncwarner: :) (08:37:14) TheMuso: hey folks (08:37:16) jasoncwarner: how about [TOPIC] AOB? Anything else? (08:37:20) jasoncwarner: morning TheMuso (08:37:58) TheMuso: sorry was caught up in email. (08:38:01) jasoncwarner: if nothing, don't forget to update the wiki with your individual updates... (08:38:32) bryceh: jasoncwarner, is it worth putting details about bug fixes on there? (08:38:48) jasoncwarner: sure, if you think people would be interested... (08:38:56) jasoncwarner: especially if something is of note :) (08:39:05) bryceh: most are fairly time consuming but seem like of limited interest, and tend to be either jargony or long winded (08:39:27) bryceh: heh, hard for me to judge; they seem noteworthy to me :-) (08:39:38) RAOF: I'd only do it for big bug fixes. Like if we, some magical day, re-enable intel on i855 and 845. :) (08:39:41) jasoncwarner: yeah, but...you X guys are weird :/ (08:40:21) jasoncwarner: cool...thanks everyone...[END MEETING]
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