Actions from previous meeting
Actions from this meeting
After RAOF having packaged colord I moved forward the Color Management (Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-icc-color-management): Posted MIRs for all componnents: colord, lcms2, argyll/libicc, icc-profiles, made argyll building under Oneiric, updated it, and merged it with libicc (TillKamppeter).
Updated CUPS to version 1.5.0, porting all patches including the Avahi support and PDF filters, sent updates also to the upstream authors of the Avahi patch and the PDF filters (TillKamppeter).
Updated Ghostscript to final 9.04 release (TillKamppeter).
Cleaned up the list of Ghostscipt bugs, closed most of the old ones, reducing the number of open bugs from 105 to 18 (TillKamppeter).
Packaged/MIRed printer drivers: c2esp (Kodak inkjets), rastertosag-gdi (Ricoh/Sagem low-cost), ptouch-driver (Brother label printers) (TillKamppeter).
- Software Center version 4.1.12 released, includes:
- The GTK3 version is now launchable as a "technology preview" (just run as "software-center-gtk3" in a terminal)
- Lots of progress on the GTK3 version, including many more unit tests (thanks mvo!!)
- Exhibits feature is complete in the GTK3 version, currently in testing with the server side
- Many usability improvements (relocated ratings stars, etc.)
- Many bug fixes
IRC log Western edition
17:31:25 pitti https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-08-09 17:31:56 tkamppeter pitti, do you know whether didrocks will join? 17:31:58 pitti apparently we are missing seb128 and other guys who hang out at the desktop summit on an almost nonexisting wifi :/ 17:32:34 tkamppeter pitti, we shgould perhaps shortly talk about the color management. 17:32:34 rodrigo_ hi 17:32:56 pitti tkamppeter: ok, queueing after the regular agenda items 17:33:13 pitti https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-08-09 is still a bit empty, so let's do the copy&pasting of reports to IRC this time? 17:33:19 pitti kenvandine: want to start with partner update? 17:33:35 kenvandine sure... tedg has been out, back tomorrow 17:33:44 kenvandine so i don't have a good idea of what to expect for FF from him 17:33:57 kenvandine i am hoping libindicate gtk3 branch merged 17:34:05 pitti didrocks announced that therre will be another set of unity/compiz packages 17:34:12 kenvandine yup 17:34:38 kenvandine i am sure there will be a round of indicator stuff to upload 17:34:43 kenvandine just not sure what yet 17:34:52 kenvandine gotta love FF week :) 17:34:57 kenvandine nothing else to report... 17:35:12 pitti ok, thakns 17:35:22 kenvandine i'll put it on the wiki later today when tedg briefs me 17:35:40 pitti ok, great 17:35:44 pitti tedg: welcome back :) 17:35:53 pitti didrocks is not online, so no unity update 17:35:55 kenvandine he isn't really back yet :) 17:35:59 tedg pitti, miss you guys ;-) 17:36:03 rodrigo_ :) 17:36:09 kenvandine tedg, don't lie :) 17:36:20 kenvandine tedg, i want libindicate :) 17:36:22 pitti tremolux: hey 17:36:30 tremolux pitti: howdy 17:36:31 pitti tremolux: interesting changelog on last s-c upload! 17:36:39 tremolux hah, yes 17:36:42 pitti tremolux: seems we are now shipping both gtk2 and gtk3 interfaces in the package? 17:36:56 pitti tremolux: mvo promised that the pango bug was "the last issue" :) 17:37:44 tremolux yes, as I report on the wiki it can now be run as a "technology preview" ;) , just type "software-center-gtk3" 17:37:54 pitti ah, was just typing that question :) 17:38:14 pitti wow, with wholly new UI 17:38:26 * rodrigo_ starts it 17:38:28 kenvandine wow... slick! 17:38:29 tremolux yeah, it's mpt's new design 17:38:43 pitti a bit billboard-ish with the huge banner 17:38:50 pitti (I hope that's just a demo?) 17:38:59 tremolux nzmm has been doing amazing work on this 17:39:20 tremolux yeah, that's a placeholder but we kinda like it :) 17:39:40 pitti nice 17:39:47 pitti tremolux: anything which we should know for FF? 17:40:09 tremolux pitti: not sure what you mean? 17:40:20 pitti tremolux: like, any major changes planned still? 17:40:42 tremolux right now, we are still evaluating the state of the gtk3 branch 17:41:18 tremolux but other than that, there are no major changes (but still some smaller features) 17:42:01 pitti ok, thanks 17:42:26 pitti chrisccoulson: do you have something to discuss for thunderbird and friends? 17:42:27 tremolux thanks a lot, of course feedback on the gtk3 stuff is very welcome 17:42:47 chrisccoulson pitti - i'm just about to upload the eds contacts integration work from m_conley_away 17:43:08 chrisccoulson and we have a new theme on the way too, although there's still a few problems with that 17:43:32 chrisccoulson i've spent the last week trying to debug a firefox beta crash on natty though ;) 17:43:38 chrisccoulson (well, most of) 17:44:15 pitti cyphermox: wrt. FF, do you think the C rewrite of modeswitch still has a chance? 17:44:21 cyphermox yes! 17:44:30 cyphermox I was just discussing this with slangasek 17:44:34 pitti cyphermox: or do you want to get this upstream first, and we land in perky? 17:44:35 pitti ah 17:45:05 cyphermox I'll give upstream one day to release a new release they want to do real soon, and if they don't make it early-ish tomorrow upload the rewrite patch? 17:45:13 cyphermox if they do, upload that with the rwrite patch? 17:45:26 pitti cyphermox: oh, they accepted it? 17:45:44 pitti chrisccoulson: so we'll see at least one more round of tbird etc.? 17:45:58 cyphermox pitti: I haven't seen an actual "yes let's put it in", but Josua appears to be pretty happy with it 17:46:16 chrisccoulson pitti - yeah. i'm still wondering whether to stay on the beta channel in oneiric for the next 6 week cycle 17:46:25 chrisccoulson (ie, firefox 7 is released 2 days before final freeze) 17:46:30 pitti https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client still has 8 open items, including calendar events 17:46:57 pitti chrisccoulson: hm, my gut feeling is that we sohuld deliver 7 post release then 17:46:59 pitti WDYT? 17:47:11 pitti and ship oneiric with 6 final? 17:47:22 pitti cyphermox: great to hear 17:47:31 chrisccoulson pitti - i'm not sure. delivering it post release will end up leaving people without a security update for a while 17:47:39 pitti cyphermox: after the old u-devel@ discussion I was a bit afraid that he insisted on a scripting language 17:48:01 chrisccoulson i was thinking about just sticking with the beta, as the changes in the last couple of weeks are just minor bug fixes 17:48:16 pitti chrisccoulson: what would they release 2 days before final freeze, the final or beta? 17:48:27 cyphermox pitti: I can't say it will be in 1.1.9, but he seems happy to include it once it's proven to be stable; which should be any time now. Dan Williams helped a lot in testing a bunch of devices with good results 17:48:30 pitti we can certainly keep up with betas and RCs, but I wouldn't like to ship oneiric with a beta 17:48:30 chrisccoulson ie, the beta -> release 2 days before final freeze would literally be just a change in version number 17:48:39 pitti cyphermox: awesome 17:48:40 chrisccoulson pitti - it woudl be the final release 2 days before final freeze 17:48:54 pitti cyphermox: do you need me to do another round of reviews? any problems with my first round? 17:49:12 pitti chrisccoulson: ah, so we could test oneiric-beta-2 with 7 beta or RC a least? 17:49:21 chrisccoulson pitti - yeah 17:49:31 cyphermox pitti: if you want to; I didn't see issues with the first; though that afaik wasn't completely done either no? 17:49:42 chrisccoulson pitti - the dates are here btw: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar 17:50:22 pitti cyphermox: right, just reviewed some 58% 17:50:53 pitti chrisccoulson: ok, thanks 17:51:30 pitti chrisccoulson: I suppose many of the open WIs on the spec shold be postponed now? doesn't look like we can integrate a calendar in just two days? 17:51:57 chrisccoulson pitti - yeah. there is ongoing work for that, but it's not going to happen for oneiric 17:52:40 pitti :( 17:52:56 pitti thanks for the update 17:53:09 chrisccoulson mpt, did you say you were interested in doing a design for a calendar app btw? 17:53:25 pitti tkamppeter: color management? 17:53:46 tkamppeter https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-icc-color-management 17:54:17 tkamppeter Most important is that RAOF has packaged colord and after a bugfix in LP it made it into Universe. 17:54:22 rodrigo_ tkamppeter, I see most stuff is done, so we just need to get the MIR's approved and the plugin enabled in g-s-d and g-c-c right? 17:54:32 pitti and cups, I think 17:55:05 seb128 didrocks has issues with the mir 17:55:06 tkamppeter Argyll is also updated and in Universe, lcms2 has even passed the MIR. 17:55:10 pitti seb128: oh, wb 17:55:18 rodrigo_ hey seb128 17:55:23 tkamppeter Yes, many MIRs, but one causes a problem: Argyll 17:55:26 seb128 argyll which is a recommends is taking some 11mb deb 17:55:30 didrocks hey rodrigo_ :) 17:55:35 seb128 pitti, thanks ;-) 17:55:41 rodrigo_ hi didrocks 17:55:44 tkamppeter bug 821883 17:55:45 ubot2 Launchpad bug 821883 in argyll "[MIR] argyll" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/821883 17:55:55 seb128 pitti, we walked back to the hotel to get working internet, sorry we are a bit late 17:56:07 pitti well, that's not a blocker for main, but certainly a blocker for being on the CD 17:56:09 didrocks tkamppeter: we already discussed about it last week, and the room needed is a no-no 17:56:24 tkamppeter We need to get through at least libicc2 (and the -dev) which is now provided by the argyll source DEB, so the source DEB must go in. 17:56:28 didrocks pitti: right, but we need the integration to "pick the right profile on demand" 17:56:52 geser how long does the retracer usually take to retrace a crash? 17:56:53 seb128 upstream is doing that I think 17:57:07 seb128 fedora is not shipping argyll on their CD from what I read 17:57:09 tkamppeter didrocks, now I need a more expert in CM to split the argyll binary package into argyll and argyll-extra ... 17:57:17 seb128 so with aptdaemon it should be working 17:57:30 tkamppeter didrocks, argyll does not contain .icc files to split off. 17:57:32 pitti ah, installed on demand from control center? 17:57:34 didrocks tkamppeter: how big it is? colord and others are already taking 500kb instead of the 300 advertized 17:58:03 -- MacSlow ist nun als MacSlow|break bekannt 17:58:06 seb128 pitti, yes 17:58:28 tkamppeter didrocks, the 300kb came from Richard Hughes on his talk on UDS. Before everything got actually packaged (this week) I did not know any real data. 17:59:21 didrocks tkamppeter: you can look at the Size: of the package, it's basically the same approximation that we will have on the cd once compressed 17:59:35 tkamppeter We could do the following perhaps: Put all Argyll stuff into main but install only libicc2 on the CD so that apps like Ghostscript can link against it. 17:59:37 pitti cups-common shrank by 600 kB, cups-client grew by 500 kB, but I think we can fix that; if we do, we'd at least have a balanced budget for that, so 500 kB sounds ok 18:00:12 pitti 11 mb is too much, though, we don't have the time any more to free that much 18:00:27 pitti (in oneiric; next cycle should drop a whole lot of old stuff) 18:00:37 didrocks tkamppeter: right, please can you figure that out? 18:00:42 pitti so install-on-demand sounds good 18:00:47 tkamppeter pitti, so perhaps then leave the argyll main binary package in main but not on CD< optionally installable. 18:00:51 pitti tkamppeter: right 18:00:58 pitti tkamppeter: I think that's what seb128 said 18:01:04 pitti and presumably is already working 18:02:01 tkamppeter dirocks, so let us pass the argyll source package into main without changes and add only libicc2 into dependencies of packages (via Build-depends: libicc-dev). 18:02:39 didrocks tkamppeter: can you exactly explain in the MIR what libicc2 is needed for? 18:03:03 didrocks maybe it's me, but I didn't get what exactly linking it in Ghostscript does 18:03:08 didrocks and that's a discussion for the MIR itself 18:03:13 tkamppeter didrocks, I will add our conclusions and this info to the MIR, reopening it ... 18:03:25 -- om26er_ ist nun als om26er-afk bekannt 18:03:28 didrocks tkamppeter: thanks, and can you clarify this as well in it, please? ^ 18:05:27 pitti didrocks: do you have an unity report for the meeting? 18:05:56 didrocks pitti: no time to prepare it, but I can quickly discuss it ther 18:05:58 didrocks there* 18:06:08 didrocks so, new unity/nux/unity-2d on Thursday 18:06:32 didrocks with a lot of refactoring and alt + tab by default (managing windows \o/) for new install 18:06:46 didrocks not sure about compiz, seems not good to mix it with all the changes that are coming 18:07:14 didrocks all should be done for feature freeze, it will be quite short with travelling and such, so maybe will delay it a little (upload in the evening) 18:07:42 pitti that should be fine 18:07:42 didrocks all pieces are coordinated by upstream to ensure we don't have mismatching components for the transition 18:07:50 didrocks then, I'll prepare the boost transition 18:07:58 pitti even if we miss FF by an hour or so, I'm happy to just wave them through 18:07:59 didrocks will test on Friday, but I won't be there starting next week (holidays) 18:08:06 didrocks pitti: thanks ;) 18:08:15 didrocks so seb128 will probably sponsor this changes 18:08:20 pitti correctness >> inordinary rush 18:08:38 didrocks boost isn't that scary, running temporary running both old and new boost in the same process should be fine 18:08:52 didrocks (the transition is in nux, compiz and unity) 18:09:53 didrocks that's about it for me :) 18:10:47 pitti thanks 18:11:16 pitti anything else we should discuss? 18:11:26 kenvandine food? 18:11:31 pitti heh, +1 18:11:32 * kenvandine is insanely hungry... 18:11:35 kenvandine for some reason :) 18:12:58 pitti so, thanks everyone! 18:13:09 kenvandine woot... time to eat! 18:13:18 * kenvandine waves 18:14:04 tremolux see y'all, thanks