20110406
DistributedDevelopment steering meeting held in #ubuntu-meeting on 2011-04-06 at 2100 UTC.
Chair: barry
Apologies
Agenda
- Attendance/apologies
- DST resync
- Action items
poolie to meet with robbiew re lep (canceled)
- jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports
poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling (done)
poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds-o (done)
jelmer and barry to prepare udd sessions for uds-o (done)
- poolie to talk to LOSAs about getting new bzrs rolled out to jubany
barry to check with dholbach about publishing of upg with udd docs, and update the udd wiki pages (done)
- Package importer progress
- Bugs of interest:
- Any other business?
Summary
- trend in package import failures is generally downward (yay!)
bzr team doing a fantastic job at closing bugs
- riddell will be doing a rotation to bzr starting at uds
New Actions
- barry to send email about meeting times given dst dance
Log
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<barry> hello everyone and welcome to this week's udd steering meeting [18:01]
<barry> who's here today?
<jelmer> hi barry
* slangasek waves
<barry> hi jelmer, slangasek [18:02]
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<ScottK> ~
<barry> hi ScottK, hi poolie
<jelmer> hi poolie
<jelmer> hi Scott
<poolie> hello all
<barry> [TOPIC] agenda
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<barry> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110406
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<barry> [TOPIC] * DST resync [18:03]
<barry>
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<barry> i know the usa went through dst and i think euro too. the meetings
are two hours later for jelmer and i. not a problem for me, but it's
late for jelmer. still i think it's 8am for poolie so this may be the
best we can do [18:04]
<barry> i just wanted to make sure this time still works for everyone
<poolie> we could try the other way around in my evenings
<jelmer> this works for me, although I know jam goes to bed earlier and it
would be nice if he could attend
* poolie look
<poolie>
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2011&month=4&day=7&hour=11&min=0&sec=0&p1=240&p2=16&p3=263
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<barry> jelmer: indeed, it would
<poolie> my 9pm is 7am for barry, i think
<poolie> and 1pm for .nl
<poolie> barry, is james_w west of you? and scottk, where are you? [18:06]
<barry> i could do that. i get up at 6am to get my son to school anyway and
he leaves for the bus at 6:55. i might only be a minute or so late if
the bus is late
<ScottK> It's 6PM here
<ScottK> (now)
<ScottK> Whatever sucks for barry sucks for me too.
<barry> james_w is north of me, so same timezone i think [18:07]
<barry> ScottK too :)
<barry> ScottK: could you do 7am?
<ScottK> I could. I would be unlikely to.
<poolie> for that matter i could certainly go an hour earlier
<poolie> which would be 11pm in nl and fr [18:08]
<ScottK> I have a kid that leaves for school at 6:40, but I usually crash
again after she's gone.
<poolie> and 5pm us/eastern
<barry> i'd love to have jam join us
<poolie> ok, let's send mail
<barry> ScottK: i totally get that :) plus, summer is only 6 weeks away
<poolie> jam does often get back on after his son is asleep
<ScottK> 5PM is way better than 7AM for me.
<barry> poolie: sounds good. i will do that
<barry> [ACTION] barry to send email about meeting time to mailing list
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<barry> [TOPIC] action items [18:09]
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<barry> * poolie to meet with robbiew re lep
<barry>
<poolie> cancelled, because the lep has been pushed back a bit, until it can
be scheduled
<barry> poolie: okay, i'll take this off the list [18:10]
<barry> * jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports '''(done?)'''
<barry>
<barry> i traded some email w/jam about this, he'd like to keep it on the list
<barry> we'll do that at least until he chimes in in person
<barry> * poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling [18:11]
<barry>
<poolie> done, and we decided it's not going to push in front of other things
<poolie> so, the bzr team will continue with package imports, speed, and bugs
<barry> poolie: thanks. i'll take this off the list.
<poolie> and then we'll reconsider that lep when the lp team has some capacity
free or when package branches are done [18:12]
<poolie> thanks
<barry> +1
<barry> i might have messed up the agenda, so i'll just paste the next two
together
<barry> * poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
<barry> * jelmer and barry to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
<barry>
<barry> jelmer and i did talk about it, and jelmer was going to submit the
blueprints. don't remember if there were separate sessions poolie was
going to submit [18:13]
<poolie> i delegated to jelmer
<poolie> is it all ok
<jelmer> I created the blueprints for the sessions
<barry> jelmer: you rock!
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<barry> * poolie to talk to LOSAs about getting new bzrs rolled out faster
<barry>
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[18:14]
<jelmer> barry: this is specifically about rolling out to Launchpad / buildds
?
<poolie> hm, i did talk, but i think i need to also talk to charlies to make
sure it happens
<poolie> to jubany
<poolie> let's update the item to clarify it's jubany, and then keep it
[18:15]
<barry> poolie: you got it
<poolie> jelmer, separately probably we should propose bzr updates into
launchpad
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<poolie> or have a way of deciding when to kick that off
<barry> is there an action item there?
<jelmer> poolie: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing
<ray24> Hey guys what's up
<jelmer> poolie: I'll need to propose updates for bzr-hg, bzr-git and bzr-svn
running on lp anyway so perhaps I should have a look at getting the
new bzr deployed at the same time. [18:16]
<poolie> o/ ray24, meeting about
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110406
<barry> ray24: hi. we're having a meeting on ubuntu distributed development
<poolie> that would be good
<poolie> maybe a bug saying "we should upgrade so we get fixes for x, y,z"
would help track it
<poolie> does not need to be an exhaustive list
<poolie> you could send a very brief rfc about that to lp-dev
<barry> jelmer: will the bzr-hg update allow me to mirror cpython's hg repo on
lp?
<jelmer> barry: it will fix a lot of the existing hg imports, not sure about
the cpython one [18:18]
<barry> cool. we'll find out! [18:19]
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<barry> i have to admit, hg drives me nuts :)
<barry>
<barry> * barry to check with dholbach about publishing of upg with udd
docs, and update the udd wiki pages
<barry> i talked with daniel, and he's still waiting for isd to provide a web
hostname. i'm going to move this off the action items and will
provide status update when it's available [18:20]
<jelmer> what's upg?
<barry> ubuntu packaging guide
<barry> moving all the docs into restructured text
<barry> as soon as that's published, i'm going to take an axe to the udd wiki
pages and point them there [18:21]
<barry> a few weeks ago, they merged my branch which basically took all the
current udd wiki pages and worked them into the guide
<poolie> wow, that's great
<poolie> someone was asking about the two doc sets just this week [18:22]
<barry> i think it'll really help developers. udd will be the preferred path
in the guide
<barry> that's it for action items, unless anybody has any other comments
[18:23]
<barry> [TOPIC] package importer progress
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<barry> [LINK] http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
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<poolie> exactly
<poolie> having a bad day today in particular, apparently
<barry> wow. 9905 outstanding jobs?!
<slangasek> hmm, another spike in import failures too [18:24]
<barry> any idea what's going on there?
<poolie> maybe an lp outage?
<barry> could be i guess. the failure rate has been pretty steady latel
[18:25]
<barry> poolie, jelmer any status on the import failures? [18:26]
<poolie> just checking with lp ops
<poolie> they had an upgrade yesterday [18:27]
<poolie> i'll look in to it later
<poolie> aside from that, the trend has been generally downwards
<barry> poolie: thanks. and yep, it's great to see
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<barry> [TOPIC] * Bugs of interest:
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<poolie> things have been moving at a pretty good rate [18:29]
<barry> indeed! almost 200 bugs in needs release or released
<poolie> yes
<barry> really really fantastic
<poolie> and our inprogress queue is now more reasonable
<poolie> the team are really in flow, istm [18:30]
<barry> man, you guys really rock
<barry> poolie, jelmer any bugs in particular you want to mention?
<poolie> oh [18:32]
<poolie> you might have seen on linaro-dev, john has done some good work on
performance on large trees
<poolie> lp connection time should also be getting faster in several aspects
<barry> i missed that, but yay! [18:33]
<poolie> loggerhead too should be getting better soon
<poolie> jelmer, how about you?
<jelmer> Andrew S-B got the new bzr-builddeb synced to natty, which fixes a
lot of bugs and requires less configuration etc. in general
<poolie> are you planning to do a new release of bzr-* to move those bugs to
released?
<jelmer> please try it out, and report bugs if you find any :)
<jelmer> poolie: Yeah, that's on my todo list; I have one more bzr-svn and one
more bzr-hg bug I'd like to fix before doing so [18:34]
<barry> jelmer: anything in particular i should look for with bzr bd?
<jelmer> barry: merge-upstream in particular should now be easier to use,
e.g. it can use debian/watch to find and download the upstream
tarball [18:36]
<barry> \o/
<slangasek> jelmer: was the bzr bd orig.tar.bz2 issue that hit us in samba
fixed?
<jelmer> slangasek: It's in review [18:37]
<slangasek> ok
<slangasek> will that cause importer problems if deployed? [18:38]
<slangasek> (i.e., if the current bd is deployed without this fix)
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<jelmer> slangasek: it shouldn't, it's in a code path not exercised by the
importer AFAIK [18:39]
<jelmer> we should probably double check or wait before deploying a new
bzr-builddeb on the importer though
<barry> [TOPIC] * Any other business? [18:40]
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<barry> anything else for today?
<poolie> oh, one [18:41]
<poolie> riddell will be doing a rotation to bzr starting at uds
<jelmer> \o/
<barry> nice!
<poolie> i think that will be fun to work with him and he'll bring some good
platform experience and perspective
<poolie> it's agreed and wending through the hr formalities now
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<Riddell> I look forward to working with you all
<Riddell> I hope I can live up to the challenge
<poolie> oh, hi [18:43]
<poolie> :)
<barry> great! i think we'll end on that positive note
<barry> #endmeetingDistributedDevelopment/20110406 (last edited 2011-04-11 22:47:41 by mail)