20110727
DistributedDevelopment steering meeting held in #ubuntu-meeting on 2011-07-27 at 1200 UTC.
Chair: barry
Apologies
Agenda
- Attendance/apologies
- Action items
jelmer to study the feasibility of merge helper (bug 608675) as an intermediate step for quilt support
jelmer to look into bug 609187 (warn when package import is out of date) (done)
jelmer to post summary of user visible changes with lp rollout (done)
jelmer to post feature summary about inline diffs (done)
riddell to update udd docs to use bzr tag instead of bzr mark-uploaded (done)
- Package importer progress
- Bugs of interest:
- Any other business?
Summary
solution to bug 609187 looks awesome. will be sru'd back to lucid
- multi tarball support is almost done for package importer
next meeting is sept 7th at 1100 utc
New Actions
- barry to coordinate w/riddell about updating the ubuntu packaging guide for new bug 609187 feature
Log
<barry> #startmeeting [08:00]
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<barry> hi folks. i think we may have had a time snafu, but is anybody around
for the udd stakeholders meeting today?
<james_w> hi
<barry> hi james_w, i know poolie was around a bit ago [08:02]
<poolie> oh hi
<poolie> i'm here
<barry> hi. any word from jam, vila, jelmer, riddell? [08:03]
<barry> btw, while we're waiting did anybody see the article on git linked
from /. today? once again bzr gets shorted. /me resolves to write
his "why bzr rocks" article [08:04]
<barry> [TOPIC] agenda [08:05]
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<barry> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110727
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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110727
<jelmer> hi
<barry> hi jelmer
<barry> i guess we should just jump in then... [08:06]
<barry> [TOPIC] action items
<MootBot> New Topic: action items
<barry> * jelmer to study the feasibility of merge helper
([[https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-builddeb/+bug/608675|bug 608675]])
as an intermediate step for quilt support
<barry>
<ubottu> Ubuntu bug 608675 in bzr-builddeb "merge-package should have support
for manipulating quilt v3 patch stacks" [High,In progress]
<jelmer> jam and i are goibg to pair on that when he gets back from holiday
[08:07]
<barry> awesome
<barry> * jelmer to look into
[[https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/609187|bug 609187]] (warn when
package import is out of date)
<barry>
<ubottu> Ubuntu bug 609187 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "users are not
warned when branching ubuntu:foo (or lp:ubuntu/foo) and the package
import of foo is out of date" [High,Fix released]
<barry> i think the new bzr.dev feature addresses this, right? oh, and it's
awesome [08:08]
<poolie> yes, john fixed it, and it is great
<poolie> it also starts a new much faster lp api client
<poolie> currently covering one api point i think :)
<barry> :) yes, it's really great. any thoughts on back porting this feature
to released bzr? [08:09]
<poolie> yes, that should be pretty easy
<poolie> i think it was done based off an old branch
<poolie> i had some concern about whether it would be seen as in the spirit of
srus
<poolie> it probably is ok though
<poolie> certainly a welcome feature
<poolie> shall we put it in everything back to lucid?
<barry> i can understand the hesitation to sru a new feature, but this one
really is a significant help to udd packagers, so i'd vote for "yes"
[08:10]
<jelmer> me too
<jelmer> though how many packagers are on lucid? [08:11]
<barry> jelmer: that's a good point, probably not many. but i'd say
definitely sru to natty
<poolie> i guess they may well be running it within a chroot or on a vm
<barry> at least
<poolie> or on a canonical dc machine ofr that matter
<poolie> i'll add a note on the bug [08:12]
<barry> thanks. we should also update the new packaging guide, because it
will really simplify things. is Riddell up for that? if not, i can
do it (once it lands in natty and oneiric at least) [08:13]
<poolie> yes, he's been doing a lot of work on it
<poolie> i don't know if he's here right now
<poolie> we should mention it
<barry> he's been doing *fantastic* work on the guide (i've reviewed a bunch
of his branches). i'll take an action to coordinate with him [08:14]
<barry> [ACTION] barry to coordinate w/Riddell about updating the guide for
bug 609187 feature
<MootBot> ACTION received: barry to coordinate w/Riddell about updating the
guide for bug 609187 feature
<ubottu> Launchpad bug 609187 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "users are not
warned when branching ubuntu:foo (or lp:ubuntu/foo) and the package
import of foo is out of date" [High,Fix released]
https://launchpad.net/bugs/609187
<barry> * jelmer to post summary of user visible changes with lp rollout
<barry>
<barry> * jelmer to post feature summary about inline diffs [08:15]
<barry>
<barry> jelmer: do you remember these?
<jelmer> I dont remember these
<poolie> he's only intermittently connected
<poolie> i think really we can put this on mrevell who does blog.l.n [08:16]
<poolie> but, perhaps we want to share it with ubuntu-devel or something?
<jelmer> I was only a bit involved with them
<barry> poolie: do you think we need to do anything special or will the normal
lp feature rollout announcement machinery take care of it? ;) [08:17]
<poolie> i don't think we should do anything special
<barry> cool.
<poolie> i think the announcements will get at least onto planet ubuntu
<jelmer> yeah, they do
<barry> * riddell to update udd docs to use bzr tag instead of bzr
mark-uploaded
<barry>
<barry> i think that's done [08:18]
<barry> [TOPIC] package importer progress
<MootBot> New Topic: package importer progress
<poolie> ok
<poolie> so, some progress there
<poolie> we deployed a new bzr which fixed some things but had some bad
fallout [08:19]
<poolie> so we're now back on 2.3.4
<poolie> ithink it's at about 430 failures
<barry> didn't vila fix a bunch of failures, or is that part of what got
rolled back? [08:20]
<jelmer> multi tarball suppprt is almost done
<poolie> we have fixed several classes of failure
<poolie> that's great, thanks
<barry> jelmer: nice. do you have any example packages that use multiple
tarballs? [08:21]
<poolie> yes, search for 'multiple' on
http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
<jelmer> some, but I can always use more [08:22]
<barry> perl :)
<barry> so, is the bad fallout from the rollout fixed? do you expect to see a
bzr update on lp again soon? [08:23]
<poolie> ah, ok
<poolie> so we did two rollouts, to the udd importer and to launchpad, both of
which had some bumps [08:24]
<poolie> i think we will do them again soon, probably within this fortnight
<jelmer> I have a mp that is awaiting review that fixes lp
<barry> cool [08:25]
<jelmer> we had a postmortem about the lp one (thanks poolie!)
<barry> anything else on the importer? [08:26]
<barry> [TOPIC] bugs of interest [08:27]
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<barry> [LINK]
http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
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http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
<jelmer> not from me
<poolie> oh, one new thing, which is bit.ly/ubuntu-vcs-job
<poolie> looking for someone great to join in working on this
<poolie> please think of someone who might be interested, and point them to
that, or circulate that url
<barry> yep, i've been socially mediating it :)
<poolie> thanks
* barry is always impressed at the progress evident in the kanban
<Riddell> hi, sorry I'm late [08:29]
<barry> it's great to see more released/needs release than
queued/inprogress/needs review :)
<barry> hi Riddell no worries. you might want to read the scollback
<barry> poolie, jelmer anything in particular you want to point out about the
kanban? [08:30]
<poolie> i got a few personal bugs sorted out which was nice
<poolie> jelmer are the colo branch url things tolerably unblocked?
<poolie> oh, lp is making some codehost deployment changes that should put it
behind an haproxy [08:31]
<poolie> which should make it more stable, especially during upgrades
<poolie> and also, safely let us test jam's faster-connection-startup patch
<poolie> which when it works should take something like 1s off the start of a
connection
<barry> nice
<poolie> i think we're about done [08:32]
<barry> [TOPIC] aob
<MootBot> New Topic: aob
<barry> poolie: just one from me. can you double check the gcal meeting time?
i'm good for meeting in 2 weeks at 1200 utc, but if people will be
disappearing for vacation, we can skip 2 weeks from now [08:33]
<Riddell> I need to set a better meeting reminder, this meeting happens just
as I go for lunch :(
<poolie> i think bzr people are tending to be away now, rather [08:34]
<jelmer> poolie: yes, colocated is unblocked
<barry> poolie: why don't we just cancel the august meetings and come back in
september (i.e. sept 7th)? or is that too much of a gap? [08:35]
<poolie> i think that's ok [08:36]
<poolie> ok
<poolie> i cannot persuade gcal to change the time
<poolie> :/
<barry> cool, resolved then. :)
<barry> grrr. ;)
<poolie> so that's the 7th of september then?
<barry> poolie: yep. i'm also happy to do it at 1100utc come september
[08:37]
<poolie> could you be so kind as to send minutes with this right at the top?
<barry> poolie: will do
<poolie> ok [08:38]
<poolie> it's late here; i might go
<barry> unless there's anything else, i think we're done...
<barry> #endmeetingDistributedDevelopment/20110727 (last edited 2011-07-27 16:05:44 by mail)