This is a log or summary of an Edubuntu Meeting. Please go to the Meeting Page for more information about our meetings.
Meeting November 20, 2005
01:01 JaneW hi all 01:01 JaneW role call 01:01 JaneW roll even === kjcole is Kevin Cole 01:02 JaneW is ogra in the house? 01:03 highvoltage he quit a few minutes ago. 01:03 kjcole JaneW: Ogra was a few min ago === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:03 JaneW let's give him a minute to return... 01:03 jelkner he's back 01:03 highvoltage wow, that worked :) === flint [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mhz [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:03 JaneW hi ogra 01:03 ogra grumble ... 01:03 JaneW and flint and mhz === mhz is here 01:03 highvoltage hi ogra 01:03 ogra hi all 01:03 highvoltage and flint and JaneW 01:03 mhz hi you all, Edubuntereos! :D 01:04 ogra working on erge bugs is no fun 01:04 ogra *merge 01:04 flint do you have any idea how early this is? Good Morning... 01:04 spacey i'm present 01:04 JaneW hi spacey 01:04 kjcole Ogra: No urge to merge? 01:04 mhz flint: fresh ideas in the morning 01:04 ogra kjcole, all merge bugs have to be finished tomorrow... 01:04 ogra (for main) 01:04 flint morning kevin, jane, ollli et al. === kjcole sleepily mumbles something aproximating a greeting to all 01:06 ogra so tech update ? === Yagisan [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:06 flint where is my coffee...jane you carp about agendas? 01:06 highvoltage ogra: fire away! 01:06 jelkner ogra: please do! 01:06 kjcole As jane said a few min ago.. Roll call first? 01:06 flint oh no, it's elkner!!! === highvoltage is here === kjcole is Kevin Cole http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html 01:07 ogra shows that we are pretty good for the flight CD on friday/saturday 01:07 flint flint is flint === jelkner is Jeff Elkner === spacey is Herman Bos 01:07 spacey :P === ogra is OliverGrawert === highvoltage is JonathanCarter === Yagisan is Jamie Jones 01:08 ogra the only differenc we have to the ubuntu CD currently is kino, which i currently consider to be dropped completely... 01:08 ogra kino is a video editing app... 01:08 highvoltage ogra: how does the space look like? 01:08 ogra video editing over ltsp is no real fun ... 01:08 highvoltage ogra: are the applications larger than the previous versions? 01:08 ogra we are at 670MB currently ... 01:08 ogra so plenty of space ... 01:09 highvoltage nice. 01:09 mhz ogra: besidea, I've been told Kino is not the best ,so far, video editing app. 01:09 ogra i requested a live filesystem build from lamont, but didnt hear back yet 01:09 ogra mhz, its the best we have in main 01:09 ogra and i'd like to keep it ... but it doesnt really make sense if you cant use it ... 01:10 ogra videos over ltsp give you ~10 frames a second 01:10 ogra which is not better than a slideshow 01:10 spacey lots of video stuff in development 01:10 spacey but not mature 01:10 Yagisan ogra: is that because of lack of video acceleration on the clients ? 01:10 ogra might be, but i dont thik the video issue can be solved before dapper 01:11 ogra Yagisan, its because you send the picture back and forth through the ssh connection 01:11 spacey high traffic 01:11 ogra if we once have local app support (approximately dapper+1) you will be able to use it 01:12 spacey that would be fancy ogra: not that it is necessarily possible, but as a tie in 01:12 kjcole to the special needs in education (a.k.a. accessibility) video-based education for deaf students using sign language, would be sweet. But I'm just fantasizing. ok, so much about the CD ... we'll have a install CD ready 01:12 ogra for flight2, i cant promise a liveCD before lamont came back to me ... please start testing 01:12 ogra kjcole, as long as the base is not there, i cant do much ... 01:13 ogra local apps is not on my list for this release 01:13 ogra development in general : 01:13 ogra i inspected willow .... anybody know willow ? 01:13 kjcole ogra: I wasn't suggesting you create it. Just tossing an idea out... planting seeds... 01:13 ogra (except spacey ) 01:14 spacey :o 01:14 ogra kjcole, lets sit together fr dapper+1 if you have experience in this warea 01:14 ogra i think jelkner and flint will do a dapper dance ...... ;) 01:14 ogra willow is a content filter app written in pythin .... 01:14 ogra python 01:14 flint not this early in the morning i won't... 01:14 kjcole ogra: that image is just too scary to comtemplate. 01:14 jelkner i'm dancing already! 01:15 ogra its *not* requiring urllists or filter rules.... 01:15 flint oh neat! === spacey pictures flint dancing 01:15 mhz wow 01:15 ogra its based on bayesian filtering (similar to spamfilters) 01:15 kjcole ogra: re video, no experience. just wishes. 01:15 flint where do I find it (imagine Hindernburg landing at Lakehurst NJ.) 01:15 ogra kjcole, feel free to work on it with me anyway ;) 01:15 highvoltage ogra: is ldap on your list for this release? 01:15 kjcole ogra: sure. 01:15 jelkner ogra: does that mean we can run it on the server? 01:16 ogra i'll package it up as soon as i got time ... 01:16 spacey anyway i will look into willow in the next week and see what i can do 01:16 ogra it requires some heavy packaging knowledge to get it right since i want a transparent proxy mode by default ... 01:16 ogra but 01:17 ogra it has a webbased gui i plan to replace with a desktop gui .... 01:17 spacey complete replacement? optional would be nice? 01:17 ogra i made some initial work available as bzr archive ... spacey expressed interest to work on it 01:17 highvoltage nice. 01:17 spacey for if you don't run it on the edubuntu machine but on a router 01:18 flint (Hindenburg landing at Lakehurst NJ := flint dancing for joy over willow :^) 01:18 ogra you will be ale to enable the web gui, but i will disable it by default === PBurkholder [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:18 ogra the default conf app will be the desktop gui 01:18 spacey ogra, fair enough :) if you want to work on it, please make a bzr branch from my 01:18 ogra archive and make your work available in bzr on the web so i can merge it 01:19 ogra http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ 01:19 ogra ^^^ my bzr archives 01:19 spacey ok ^_^ 01:19 kjcole flint: I think for willow, one should "weep" (for joy of course). 01:19 flint spacey, should we consider booting willow on a router as an outboard machine 01:19 spacey outboard? 01:19 ogra the basic glade gui stuff is done, it would be nice just to port the web gui functions for the backend 01:20 flint spacey, later... old idea... 01:20 spacey ok 01:20 ogra the plan since we still are on a single classroom solution is to run it on the server ... === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-171-180.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:20 ogra as transparent proxy, configured to run by default 01:20 flint ah, the old python... 01:21 jane_ for goodness sake why does my line disconnect at 12:00UTC every wednesday....?!! 01:21 ogra if and only if it gets ready in time before UVF, i'll try to get it on the CD 01:21 spacey i'll give willow a testdrive on friday 01:21 ogra else you'll have it in universe to install separately 01:21 highvoltage JaneW: Telkom 01:21 JaneW (sorry about that *again*) 01:21 ogra (and if i dont discover bad bugs indeed) 01:21 kjcole JaneW: You do seem to come and go a bit... 01:21 flint JaneW, do you know how much it costs us to have that done every week? Tell her guys! 01:21 JaneW highvoltage: but it's FINE the rest of the week.... *shakeshead* 01:22 ogra the status of ltsp: 01:22 ogra my ldm fixes are submitted to mdz for review, havent heard back yet .... 01:22 ogra the multiarch patch Yagisan wrote is integrated and submitted to mdz .... havent heard back either 01:23 flint zimmerman just got back from San Francisco... === Yagisan hopes that gets merged soon 01:23 ogra sound is not submittable integrated yet, my merge bugs for ubuntu currently take most of my dev time ... 01:24 highvoltage Yagisan: congrats with your boy! 01:24 ogra but all my work is available in my bzr archive for inspection, so feel free to bzr get it ;) 01:24 ogra (see url above) 01:24 JaneW ^^^ +++ 01:24 highvoltage ogra: and swapping over the network? 01:25 Yagisan thanks. love to chat about him after meeting 01:25 ogra highvoltage, .... 01:25 flint Yagisan, Jamie, is there a Jones sub-process? 01:25 ogra to answer highvoltage, the specs are at mdz for review as well ... 01:25 highvoltage ok. 01:25 ogra the ThinClientMemoryUsage spec contains the network swap stuff... 01:26 ogra as soon as its approved, i'll work on integrating that 01:26 ogra as well as the FasterBootScpe and the SoundSpec 01:26 highvoltage nice. it's quite essential, imo. 01:27 ogra its already integrated in breezy 01:27 Yagisan ogra: how far along is ThinClientMemoryUsage ? 01:27 ogra but is not set up ... 01:27 highvoltage ogra: i didn't know that, let's talk about that later then. 01:27 ogra Yagisan, thats last on my priority list, since it depends on other stuff 01:27 flint ogra, what about block memory devices? Sound is optional in a crowded classroom 01:27 ogra i.e. the faster boot spec 01:28 kjcole flint: especially since they're all listening to their iPod's anyway. 01:28 flint kjcole, or talking on their cell phones... 01:28 ogra the local device spec is a= not done yet and b) depending on work of others who are very busy currently 01:28 Yagisan what has the boot time been reduced to ? 01:29 ogra Yagisan, hard to predict, i totally depend on Keybuks fixes of udev that havent hit dapper yet 01:29 highvoltage ogra: the default edubuntu installer for release, will it use the ncurses d-i or u-e? 01:29 ogra currently my thin client here (a very slow one) produces a bootchart with 50seconds 01:30 highvoltage 50seconds not too bad. 01:30 ogra highvoltage, we'll have two ... 01:30 flint highvoltage, I thought they used whiptail 01:30 kjcole d-i or u-e? also, would multicast tftp help speed the boot process ? It 01:30 Yagisan could allow etherboot systems to load the kernel more efficently 01:30 ogra the liveCD will have u-e but only install the workstation version 01:30 spacey kjcole, debian installer or ubuntu-express 01:30 highvoltage kjcole: debian-installer / ubuntu-express 01:30 ogra te install cd will have d-i and install the server 01:30 highvoltage kjcole: sorry, a bit lazy to type 01:30 Yagisan ogra: after meeting - please tel me how to bootchart my terminals 01:31 ogra Yagisan, sudo apt-get install bootchart in the chroot ;) 01:31 ogra (works only in dapper) === Yagisan makes note to backport it 01:31 kjcole spacey, highvoltage: That's what I get for being an rpm guy in an obviously deb universe. Thanks. 01:31 ogra Yagisan, you cant 01:31 ogra it depends on certain features of initramfsafaik === highvoltage wonders if we could get the flying penguins thingie in ubuntu-express, or something similar, at least 01:32 ogra highvoltage, feel free to chat with Kamion about that, i hav no extra dev time for working on express at all 01:32 highvoltage cool. 01:32 ogra ltsp is more important currently 01:33 highvoltage completely agreed. ok, thats all from my side for now ... if Kamion calls out 01:33 ogra for flight 2 tests, please start testing our CD, it should be fine by then ... 01:33 JaneW thanks ogra 01:34 ogra oh, in a sidenote, the gobby main inclusion report is written and waiting for approval through pitti 01:34 JaneW I can;t belive none of my beaurocratic stuff came through int he beginning - maybe there's an admin filter here ;) 01:34 highvoltage seems like you're way ahead of everyone, ogra. 01:34 JaneW ogra: yay :) 01:34 ogra as soon as thats done i'll add it to the desktop 01:34 flint ogra, thanks for all the hard work, I have been rebuilding my Lab here in Vermont 01:34 jelkner ogra: thanks a 10**6! 01:34 ogra flint, cool 01:35 JaneW ogra: yes well done you have been quietly working away haven't you? 01:35 ogra JaneW, yup... 01:35 spacey hard worker :) 01:35 ogra but my merge bugs take a lot time currently 01:35 kjcole ogra: such a busy boy! 01:35 JaneW understood 01:35 ogra so i cant as much as i would like :) 01:35 JaneW ogra: did you have a prepared summary? 01:35 flint America interrupted all meaningful work here with Thanksgiving Holiday 01:35 mhz ogra: bis from here 01:35 jelkner i need to run (students arriving)... same time next week? 01:36 ogra JaneW, nope, i'll merge it together from the log ... 01:36 JaneW ogra: if so please dump it in a PM for me - if not I'll distill from the logs... 01:36 highvoltage can we talk about the website? 01:36 JaneW highvoltage: yes shoot 01:36 ogra after the meeting 01:36 flint jelkner, go get 'em tiger! 01:36 JaneW ogra: ok 01:36 mhz jelkner: did the how to work? 01:36 JaneW jelkner: bye, thanks 01:36 ogra ciao jelkner 01:36 kjcole jelkner: Same Bat-Time, Same Bat-Channel 01:36 highvoltage ok, let's do the biggest part first. 01:36 jelkner mhz: i'll look it over today, and get back to you 01:36 mhz ok 01:37 highvoltage Philip has convinced me that we should use Drupal for CMS on Edubuntu. 01:37 flint kjcole, Same Chat-Time, Same Chat-Channel :^) === PBurkholder_ [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:37 highvoltage the biggest reason not to use it is because it's php based, and that can potentially open security vulnerabilities. 01:37 highvoltage but ubuntu already uses php for some of the sites. 01:37 ogra highvoltage, have fun with weekly php secuity updates ;) 01:38 Yagisan s/weekly/daily 01:38 ogra heh 01:38 highvoltage ogra: sure 01:38 highvoltage ogra: and it also runs alone on the edubuntu server, the risks are quite low, imo. 01:38 highvoltage hno73 has some great ideas with the wiki. 01:39 ogra if you got a security hole and little scriptkiddies put porn on the frontpage ..... and while i think it will work perfectly with people 01:39 highvoltage familiar with wiki's, I don't think it will work well with our target market 01:39 ogra :) 01:39 highvoltage i.e. overworked underpaid teachers 01:39 highvoltage ogra: i'll know it was you :P 01:39 ogra hahaha 01:39 mhz highvoltage: has he wikied his ideas? (i'd love to read them) 01:39 ogra i have no clue about php :) 01:40 highvoltage mhz: yes, he has 01:40 flint highvoltage, johnathan, you nailed it with the market description. 01:40 mhz highvoltage: cool 01:40 highvoltage http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSitePublishingTools 01:40 ogra i stay away from it as far as i can... dont fear me... fear 20yr younger kids ;) 01:40 highvoltage http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWebsitePlan 01:40 highvoltage http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration 01:40 mhz highvoltage: duh! I wasn't subscribed :( 01:41 highvoltage ogra: i avoid php too wherever i can, i do think drupal is the best tool for the job though 01:41 highvoltage flint: ;) 01:42 JaneW highvoltage: I have heard good things about it 01:42 highvoltage drupal will make it easier for us to manage the edubuntu documentation too. 01:42 highvoltage and for the web team to add content. 01:42 ogra highvoltage, http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=drupal 01:42 mhz highvoltage: we could have a meeting about moin or something else? 01:42 highvoltage wiki makes it easy too, but then we get back to our target market question 01:43 ogra you should monitor the above page if you use it 01:43 mhz highvoltage: drupal will not make it easier to remember PageNames :( drupal, IIRC also gets grades ffrom the politically 01:43 kjcole progressive crowd. Don't know much about drupal other than a lot of the radical, hippie, Green, etc progressives seem to drift towards it. === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63C9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:43 spacey why not stick to the same as ubuntu? 01:43 mhz kjcole: that's true and good feature === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:44 flint kjcole, takes a hippie to know a hippie! :^) 01:44 jsgotangco heya 01:44 mhz hey jsgotangco 01:44 kjcole flint: Tune in, turn on (your computer), drop out. 01:45 flint kjcole, I mean that in the nicest way (damn hippie :^) 01:45 Yagisan brb -sending kids^monsters to bed 01:45 kjcole jsgotangco: Hiya 01:46 jsgotangco are we meeting? 01:46 mhz yup 01:46 flint indeed 01:46 kjcole jsgotangco: yup. 01:47 jsgotangco ok 01:47 highvoltage geez, i must say, i'm a bit torn on this one (usually being a good decision maker) 01:47 mhz highvoltage: what decision? 01:47 spacey why not stick to the same as ubuntu? drupal will suite our needs very well, but like ogra says, 01:47 highvoltage we don't want to end up with a site with porn on the front page 01:47 mhz exactly 01:47 highvoltage mhz: drupal as CMS for edubuntu 01:48 mhz highvoltage: why can't we work closer to Moin wiki devels? 01:48 ogra if someone cares for weekly updates of the server drupal is fine .... 01:48 spacey its not really straight forwarded if edubuntu has everything completely different from ubuntu? 01:48 ogra the thing is that the security stuff requires someone to care for it all the time 01:48 JaneW seems to labour intensive 01:48 mhz highvoltage: this way we'll include what's missing 01:48 highvoltage ogra: does the ubuntu-updates cover the security vulnerabilities for php? 01:48 JaneW is there another good option? === JaneW shudders ... that Kewl next gen thing? 01:49 ogra highvoltage, i dont know the priority of drupal here ... but it should, yes 01:49 mhz JaneW: sure, MoinMoin :) 01:49 flint highvoltage, my favorite dream app is a php interperter running in zope... 01:49 ogra JaneW, Kewl is something else ... 01:49 Yagisan well, if it isn't in main, someone needs to work full time on keeping it going, and secure 01:49 ogra and has no security monitoring at all ... 01:49 highvoltage so, let's try Drupal, if it gives us problems we change it. 01:49 JaneW ogra: from the demo I saw it seemed to have CMS stuff...? 01:50 highvoltage JaneW, ogra: you fine with that? 01:50 flint you have to keep php patched for moodle... 01:50 JaneW highvoltage: if you are prepared to own it and keep it up to date and running... ;) 01:50 Yagisan does anyone here know how to use Drupal ? 01:50 ogra JaneW, yes, but its php based and has no big community yet ... so vulnerabilitys wont be found or known ... 01:50 ogra there drupal is the better option 01:50 mhz highvoltage: what about the 'scroring' feature of Trac (Trac is based in moin) 01:50 highvoltage Yagisan: i've used drupal before 01:50 spacey what was wrong with moinmoin? 01:50 JaneW ogra: ok (for the record I don't like it anyway) 01:50 ogra heh 01:51 JaneW ogra: I'd rather go with drupal 01:51 mhz Yagisan: i tried it twice 01:51 highvoltage mhz: apparently drupal is quite good at those kind of things Philip talked alot about it. i think he called it taxonomy. 01:51 mhz twice =2 diff. sites 01:51 ogra JaneW, yes, but highvoltage will have a lot of work through it ... 01:51 spacey JaneW, you don't like what? 01:51 mhz highvoltage: yup 01:51 Yagisan ok - I just don't think you should use anything that you can't administrate 01:51 JaneW spacey: KEWL.nextGen 01:51 mhz highvoltage: taxonomy could easily be implemented in Moin, afailk 01:51 ogra JaneW, if he's fine with potential weekly updates etc, it shouldnt be a problem 01:52 spacey right, rings a bell, can't remember, and sounds nasty :P 01:52 jsgotangco mhz: let's not be too enthusaistic about Moin 01:52 jsgotangco :) 01:52 mhz jsgotangco: not possible for me :) JaneW, ogra: we can have it as a non-live site, 01:52 highvoltage proto.edubuntu.org with a htpassword, and once we're happy with it, it goes live. 01:52 jsgotangco mhz: i just find it creepy sometimes 01:52 JaneW highvoltage: cool 01:52 flint highvoltage, remember how you identify the pioneer, he is the guy with the arrow in his back... === JaneW finds moin finctional, but not mindblowing JaneW, my only concern is that it needs someone who 01:52 ogra continiously has the time to fix stuff probably on a weekly base 01:52 mhz highvoltage: jsgotangco: have you ever subscried to a page in Drupal === jsgotangco doesn't like Drupal 01:53 spacey whats wrong with the stuff which edubuntu uses atm? in the meantime, i'll educate myseld on the common problems 01:53 highvoltage with drupal, and php, and make sure our system starts out as secure as it can be === jsgotangco is *still* a zope person === Yagisan is still a plain html person - no sec worries there === highvoltage would like to be a zope person 01:53 JaneW highvoltage: would we have a regression path is we change our minds? 01:53 JaneW s/is/if 01:53 flint jsgotangco, oh thank you for the zope plug, and there is always plone! === highvoltage is currently a cgi .py person 01:54 jsgotangco flint: including plone of course 01:54 highvoltage JaneW: we can have 2 backups 01:54 flint highvoltage, how external :^) === spacey likes dokuwiki ;x 01:54 JaneW ok no more free advertising guys :P 01:54 highvoltage JaneW: we can more or less maintain our current site as a fallback, 01:54 highvoltage and we can copy and paste from the drupal site to a new one, if we want. Haven't personally tried anything but MoinMoin, but I've 01:54 kjcole liked being able to understand the source I've looked at and tweak it a bit. Rare for me. (Done some of that with Mailman as well.) 01:54 JaneW ok, well then lets try and see how it goes, given that you have the time and inclination 01:54 highvoltage we could also save some pages as .html and link them up, but that's just yucky. 01:54 highvoltage JaneW: but yes, we can have fallbacks. 01:55 highvoltage (and we will) 01:55 JaneW kjcole: me too, but it seems it's to try and 'technical' for the averegae teacher, from what I hear 01:55 mhz kjcole: what can i say? i agree :) 01:55 jsgotangco i'll afk for 5 minutes go to rush to the drugstore 01:55 kjcole jsgotangco: Zope's a bit heavy for edubuntu, no? 01:55 jsgotangco kjcole: pretty much yeah highvoltage, if you were really mad and blind with ambition, 01:56 flint you would propose writing a python script which would update the current site to drupal. 01:56 flint you need zope if you are running schooltool 01:56 highvoltage flint: if i were really mand and blind with ambition, i would write a python app that replaces drupal entirely :) 01:57 ogra kjcole, why ? 01:57 spacey are you mad and blind? 01:57 flint highvoltage, excellent point! i admire the mad. 01:57 highvoltage spacey: only on wednesdays highvoltage: are you sure that working with Moin devel guys 01:57 mhz won't let us have the missing features (still understand which, though) 01:57 spacey :) 01:57 flint ok sleepy and blind with ambition 01:57 highvoltage mhz: it will, but at a time price. mhz: hno73 has lots of cool ideas, and have been following 01:58 highvoltage moinmoin quite extensively, and you can do everything we want to, but not quite yet. ogra: In my limited experience, zope + plone just seemed to 01:58 kjcole be "big", whereas moin seemed "small". No actual empirical evidence (other than watching the install process for both in RHEL3.) 01:58 highvoltage some of the features take some extra coding, some are still being developed. 01:59 highvoltage what it comes down to currently, is the usability. 01:59 highvoltage that's more important to me now that functionality. 01:59 ogra kjcole, but zope/ploe is safe ... 01:59 ogra *plone 01:59 spacey thats what we have now right? 01:59 highvoltage i think it's better to have less features, but have a system that's easier to use. 01:59 ogra kjcole, and requires nearly no admin work after being set up ... 01:59 highvoltage spacey: ubuntu is partially plone highvoltage: the only features I understand Drupal have over 02:00 mhz Moin is Forum, Voting, and Polls. The rest I think are all implementavle. But IMHO, drupal has less total features than moin. 02:00 JaneW ok time's up, and we only discussed technical and webiste... 02:00 JaneW was there anything else? 02:00 highvoltage can we have more time? personally i don't like plone, but i do think it is quite 02:00 spacey nice to have the same system as ubuntu, not to confuse endusers with different systems 02:00 JaneW what happened in the ally meeting last week? 02:00 flint JaneW, I agree enough about the factory back to the product === PBurkholder__ [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === PBurkholder__ is now known as PBurkholder 02:00 mhz highvoltage: good point usability v/s funcioanlity ogra: Safe is good. ;-) But after setting up both, I found 02:01 kjcole myself regularly updating my Moin pages, and fearing Zope/Plone. Three books on Zope, and no books on Moin. 02:01 JaneW highvoltage: sure, thing is I have a commitment at 15:10 each day, so the meetings need to be pretty punctual 02:01 kjcole ` 02:01 highvoltage okay, for those interested, please join the web team on launchpad 02:01 highvoltage https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-website 02:01 JaneW please guys feel free to update the tables in http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords 02:01 flint JaneW, why so obsessive about lunch? 02:01 JaneW even if we don;t get to discussing the stuff it can still be in the status reprts 02:01 kjcole ogra: (I mean I have three books on Zope, and no books on Moin). So from a non-techie point of view... also, from the TSF side, i'm working on some documentation 02:02 highvoltage for Edubuntu for our Edubuntu roll-out in April/June next year 02:02 ogra in a sidenote, edubuntu has a booth, a installtion workshop and i'll hold a talk at the linuxtag essen on saturday ... 02:02 spacey you should make it a subteam of edubuntu 02:02 JaneW flint: heh, no it's my turn to fetch kids :P 02:02 mhz JaneW: i'll reply to patrizzio 02:02 flint I want to beg forgiveness for not doing any documentation... I am a bad man! 02:02 highvoltage i will be putting this up to our website too, if you want to get involved there, 02:02 JaneW mhz: thank you 02:02 highvoltage be sure to join the doc group on launchpad too 02:02 kjcole Speaking of documentation. 02:02 JaneW flint: not good enough :P 02:02 highvoltage https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-doc 02:03 flint JaneW, do not eat your kids even if you are in africa, they frown on canabalisim... :^) 02:03 mhz JaneW: jdub edubuntu-es ML answer should be in my inbox, I guess, by no later than tomorrow (hopefully) === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487FA29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:03 highvoltage flint: JaneW and I are African. we should know, shouldn't we? 02:03 mhz JaneW: I have created 2 teams in LP (EdubuntuChile and EdubuntuStudyContent) 02:04 jsgotangco please add me 02:04 jsgotangco :) 02:04 JaneW flint: but they are so tasty! 02:04 flint JaneW, I am certain that they are good enough to eat Yagisan: there's also an ltsp group: 02:04 highvoltage https://launchpad.net/people/ltspubuntu i haven't seen you there yet Jelkner and I met Sunday, and started shreding our way 02:04 kjcole through the tuxLab cookbook. The bzr branch is up on Launchpad now, but this morning jelkner said "Let's not do this docbook stuff. Let's do lore." 02:04 highvoltage i can keep further info for next meeting. 02:04 mhz highvoltage: I'd be glad to jump in in that Edubuntu doc 02:04 kjcole He's very into lore. 02:05 jsgotangco kjcole: please write as you will, I can easily move to docbook as needed 02:05 highvoltage mhz: excellent :) we'll manage that through our new drupal site, the proto site should be up within the next week 02:05 jsgotangco just focus on content 02:05 flint kjcole, openoffice 2.0 outputs docbook as a save option... 02:05 jsgotangco flint: not good enough 02:05 jsgotangco i'd rather have you guys write in ODF 02:06 highvoltage jsgotangco: do you prefer ODF? 02:06 jsgotangco and i'll slave on the actual code transformation 02:06 mhz highvoltage: grrrr, okis I'l try to be objective (very difficult :D ) 02:06 jsgotangco highvoltage: flexible enough to move to other formats === highvoltage didn't realise that 02:06 JaneW ok, it;s going to be very hard for me to document this weeks meeting... 02:06 JaneW are we agreed that we'll TRY drupal? jsgotangco: Since I have the docbook and reST sources already, (for tuxLab Cookbook) and that's what we're basing 02:06 kjcole off of, it seemed easier to edit the existing, rather than convert, but I'm not particularly committed to any particular method. 02:06 highvoltage JaneW: yes 02:07 JaneW and all accountability and responsibility for it is on highvoltage (no pressure) ;) 02:07 mhz JaneW: hmm, yes 02:07 highvoltage JaneW: we will install it on a prototype platform, and put in content and evaluate how it works for us 02:07 JaneW cool, works for me 02:07 jsgotangco kjcole: let's focus on content first, the coding would be easier 02:07 highvoltage JaneW: then, if we're happy that it covers our old site, we move across to the drupal site for our main site 02:07 jsgotangco *trust me* 02:07 kjcole jsgotangco: Fine by me. 02:07 highvoltage jsgotangco: i have a policy to never trust anyone who says "trust me" 02:08 jsgotangco highvoltage: lol ok i take that as a compliment 02:08 jsgotangco :D 02:08 highvoltage JaneW: meeting notes better? 02:08 kjcole In any case, we made good progress, hand-editing hard-copies, and trimmed quite a bit. JaneW: yesterday night, I mentioned to Seveas that not 02:08 mhz having edubuntu-es or anything regarding ubuntu, may cause newcomers a little problem IF we find no proper conduct in there (we can't slap or kick) === JaneW must go back in 30 mins or so JaneW: so I'll ping him on friday if the person who 02:09 mhz registered edubunt-es doesn't show up, and Seveas is working on some 'guidlines' 02:09 JaneW mhz: I'll pick up in #edubuntu when I return ok? 02:09 mhz okis 02:09 ogra mhz, we normally dont slap or kick people ... 02:10 flint highvoltage, my feeling about drupal is "once a philosopher, twice a pervert" what can it hurt to try... 02:10 JaneW mhz: sounds like you need a CoC 02:10 mhz ogra: hehehe, you know what i mean 02:10 mhz CoC? 02:10 ogra mhz, first target is to convince by talking ... 02:10 highvoltage flint: naked people is part of ubuntu's heritage 02:10 flint JaneW, enjoy the kidos i'm for coffee for 5 minutes... 02:10 mhz ogra: sure, that's why i said IF 02:10 JaneW flint: k, send me pics of yours! mhz and another fellow (toxictoadz) have joined the Edubuntu 02:10 kjcole Cookbook Cooks, and I'm probably looking at them for translation work... 02:10 ogra mhz, we kicked exactly one troll in #edubuntu it its whole existance .... after trying to convince 2 weeks 02:10 kjcole mhz, yes? 02:11 highvoltage wow, not bad. 02:11 mhz ogra: really? who? 02:11 highvoltage bill gates? he's been trolling a lot lately. 02:11 Seveas ghe, in #ubuntu the kick rate is somewhat highrt :) 02:11 mhz kjcole: sorry, lost me... what? 02:11 jsgotangco i remember that.... 02:11 ogra mhz, kicking should be the very last resort ... and you should be able to contact the owner within this timeframe 02:11 flint I was hoping to be elected troll... 02:12 ogra mhz, she was called JenniferX 02:12 mhz ogra: indeed 02:12 highvoltage meeting finished? 02:12 flint I am a troll befor coffee. back in 5 02:12 ogra meeting finished ! 02:12 spacey ok:) 02:12 ogra thanks all