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Meeting January 11, 2006
01:02 JaneW wow we have no meeting notes since 7 dec... 01:02 JaneW must fix that 01:02 kjcole JaneW, Hi. (Asked jelkner to phone me before showtime.) === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:02 juliux hi mhz 01:02 JaneW kjcole: got it, was just being silly 01:02 kjcole Morning, mhz. === mhz is MauricioHernandez 01:02 JaneW hi mhz 01:03 mhz hi you all guys 01:03 sivang edubuntu meeting right? 01:03 jelkner mhz: buenos dias! (btw. still waiting for edubuntu-es log ;-) 01:03 JaneW mhz: lol, we do know who you are by now ;) 01:03 kjcole JaneW, my cylinders aren't all firing this early. ;-) 01:03 mhz jelkner: it was happily sent days ago 01:03 mhz ;) 01:03 ogra_ibook hi all 01:03 mhz JaneW: hehehe 01:03 jelkner mhz: oops, i may have dropped it :-( 01:03 JaneW sivang: yes 01:03 JaneW is ogra in the house? 01:04 ogra_ibook JaneW, nope 01:04 ogra_ibook :P === mhz checks logs just in case, for jelkner tranquility 01:04 JaneW ogra_ibook: :P 01:04 kjcole JaneW, He was disguised as ogra_ibook. 01:04 JaneW ogra_ibook: why you making me type so much more with the _ibook part? ;) 01:05 ogra_ibook this machine also highlights on "ogra" ;) 01:05 JaneW ok, what's news? I am a bit out of the loop and am struggling to catch up this week... 01:05 ogra_ibook edubuntu-desktop should be installable again by today :) 01:05 JaneW ogra: good them ogra you'll if you don't mind ... 01:05 ogra_ibook the ltsp sound stuff is in the archive and fully implemented since yesterday 01:06 JaneW ogra: can you give a summary of what's happened since the week before Christmas please? i worked on the several ltsp tasks ... the ubuntu 01:07 ogra_ibook innstaller broke completely before christmas dur to the second stage disappearing 01:07 ogra_ibook this should be solved now === flint [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:07 ogra_ibook as well as the several *-desktop packages were uninstallable 01:08 ogra_ibook most of my work during the holidays and the week before went into powerpc support 01:08 JaneW ogra: ok so how are we looking schedule wise? 01:08 ogra_ibook so we have working ppc now (pending upload) 01:08 ogra_ibook sound is in, parts of the low memory stuff are ready 01:08 JaneW ogra: also did you see the e-mail re Tollef *maybe* looking at TC Local deivices? 01:09 ogra_ibook yes, that would be a nice task for the sprint 01:09 JaneW ogra: also I noticed a lot of your specs were pushed back to drafting :/ 01:09 ogra_ibook but we're past UVF at the sprint already 01:09 JaneW ogra: think Tollef could do it? and in time for Dapper? 01:09 ogra_ibook nope, sound is implemented 01:09 JaneW ogra: right 01:09 ogra_ibook JaneW, only the dbus parts 01:09 ogra_ibook the ltsp stuff is for my desk 01:10 ogra_ibook (local devices) 01:10 JaneW ogra: have you set the sound spec to implemented yet? 01:10 ogra_ibook not yet, i had to clearify something with pitti before (which i did 30min ago) 01:10 ogra_ibook it will be set to implemented today 01:11 ogra_ibook the faster startup spec is approved and partially implemented 01:11 ogra_ibook err 01:11 JaneW ogra: ok we'll clarify the statuses at the dapper meeting tomorrow and set accordingly... 01:11 ogra_ibook that was memory usage, sorry 01:11 ogra_ibook the faster startup spec needs a minor change 01:12 flint kinda like watching a tennis match so far... Startup time is not as vital as local storage or sound even. 01:12 ogra_ibook all three will be dione before UVF 01:12 ogra_ibook flint, local device support is and always was a low priority spec 01:12 JaneW ogra: what's your gut feel atm? better that for breezy? 01:12 JaneW s/that/than 01:12 ogra_ibook faster startup always was my highest priority 01:13 ogra_ibook yup, sure 01:13 JaneW i.e. are we on track and ready to deliver to required milstones? 01:13 flint why? in a classroom environment, the desktops are only started once... 01:13 ogra_ibook even if we dont make the device support for dapper it will be a lot better 01:13 JaneW we were the 'black' sheep last time 01:13 ogra_ibook mdz knows that 01:13 flint JaneW, this time we can be the grey sheep!!! 01:14 ogra_ibook flint, i dont set the priority of the specs 01:14 JaneW flint: I am getting there believe me... 01:14 flint and I never figured out who did. all I can do is comment. 01:14 ogra_ibook flint, and the other specs did eat a lot of time, especially the low memory stuff 01:14 mhz flint: but that would also spend more 'energy' and if so, it's less environment friendly ;) 01:14 ogra_ibook flint, mdz sets the ppriority for me 01:15 flint the memory was actually important. I know, and I suppose I can go and wine at him :^) 01:15 JaneW yes priorities are set by management, and at this latish stage we can not be arguing them anymore 01:15 jelkner when will we know if local devices will make dapper? 01:15 JaneW we can however keep trying to achieve as much as possible, allowing us to GET to the low prio items. 01:15 jelkner the reason i'm asking is that our loco team is working with a school to setup a lab 01:16 ogra_ibook jelkner, its unlikely they will make it unless we get an exeption from UVF for ltsp 01:16 JaneW jelkner: I sent 2 e-mails this morning, I will let you know if/when I get a response from mdz 01:16 jelkner thanks! 01:16 ogra_ibook i rather want to make the stuff thats partially there now to work 100% than having all of it at 70% jelkner: someone has offered to *maybe* pick it up, but 01:16 JaneW he also has other priorities so once again it's mdz's call 01:16 JaneW and as CTO it's his prerogative 01:17 ogra_ibook and he will unlikely do the ltsp side of it 01:17 JaneW ogra: how much work is that by your estimation? 01:17 JaneW ogra: and if Tollef can do the rest how feasible is it that you would even get to the LTSP side? 01:18 ogra_ibook JaneW, i doubt its doable in UVF time 01:18 JaneW FWIW I agree that it's required and pretty important from a functionality POV 01:18 JaneW damn 01:18 ogra_ibook if we can get an exception until feature freeze it will be fine 01:19 mhz JaneW: what does FWIW stand for? 01:19 ogra_ibook we naever made any promises for this spec 01:19 jelkner JaneW: from the field, I have to repeat that without local devices, we don't have edubuntu 01:19 jelkner for a lot of folks, anyway 01:19 jelkner we have a school in dc that wants edubuntu 01:19 jelkner but not without local devices 01:20 jelkner no way to save data 01:20 ogra_ibook jelkner, you repeated *several* times that we wont have any stand in the field without low memory support 01:20 flint JaneW, I have asked this before, but what url has the priority list printed? 01:20 jelkner ogra_ibook, that's true too 01:20 jelkner for many labs we have running classic ltsp now 01:20 ogra_ibook jelkner, my day only has 24h 01:20 jelkner i understand 01:20 jelkner so you need help 01:21 jelkner i don't mean to be a pain === kjcole [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] 01:21 ogra_ibook and i told you in the beginning after UBZ that its not on top of my prio list 01:21 jelkner i'm just telling you the straight truth from users 01:21 JaneW https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable === kjcole [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:21 JaneW FWIW = For What It's Worth 01:21 ogra_ibook yes, and i dont want to support a broken or partially broken implementation for 5 years ... 01:21 jelkner so the real issue than, is whether edubuntu is a priority at all 01:22 ogra_ibook everything we do during this release cycle needs to be 100% and rock solid 01:22 flint Here is what your direction has been set to: 01:22 flint 1. Low Memory 01:22 flint 2. Fast Startup 01:22 flint 3. Sound 01:22 flint 4. Local Devices 01:22 mhz JaneW: thx, kjcole had just told me 01:22 flint Here is what is needed 01:22 flint 1. Low Memory 01:22 flint 2. Local Devices 01:22 flint 3. Sound 01:22 flint 4. Fast Startup 01:22 ogra_ibook flint, but thats not the reality 01:22 jelkner i agree with flint 01:23 JaneW ogra: is fast startup linked to ubuntu faster startup? 01:23 jelkner and sound is done 01:23 JaneW in which case I understand the priority 01:23 ogra_ibook yes 01:23 JaneW if not, I don't really.... 01:23 flint ogra_ibook, I am merely making the observation. I believe that this is the facts of this prioritization 01:23 ogra_ibook 10-20% are done by Keybuks changes 01:23 jelkner fast startup was never a major concern of anyone i've worked with 01:24 JaneW Ok, well decreasing the startup time is a major goal of ubuntu for dapper, we can't mess with that 01:24 jelkner at all edubuntu sites running here, the machines run all the time 01:24 ogra_ibook JaneW, getting down from 2minutes + startup time is a very important thing 01:24 jelkner libraries, community centers, schools 01:24 flint hang on, there are no rank orders on the priority list beyond "low" "medium" and "high" 01:24 JaneW ok, so you may be booting once a day maybe? not for each lesson or session? 01:24 jelkner it doesn't matter how long it takes to boot (well, an hour would be unacceptable ;-) JaneW, the regressions in ltsp are totally different 01:25 ogra_ibook fromm ubuntu itself, thus its only 10-20% i can get from keybuks changes 01:25 JaneW fint: and essential 01:25 jelkner none of the intances in dc boot more than once a day 01:25 jelkner most less than that 01:25 JaneW ogra: what's your personal opinion here? which is more important? 01:25 flint ogra_ibook, there is no numeric rank order of priorities, is there jane? 01:25 JaneW flint: no 01:26 ogra_ibook JaneW, all other stuff apart from local devices, since it wont be 100% stable and ready 01:26 flint JaneW, i grant you essential...(and existential :^) 01:26 jelkner without low memory support, we could not upgrade from k12ltsp to edubuntu in 2 existing labs === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:26 jelkner without local devices, most folks don't want edubuntu 01:27 flint note that in a classroom you boot the silly workstations never if they are working correctly. 01:27 JaneW Mithrandir: ping JaneW, imho shipping all the other parts 100% reliable 01:27 ogra_ibook is more important than having local deviaces in and producing a hell lot of bugreports we cant fix during the next 5 years 01:27 kjcole flint, she meant "essential", "high", "medium", "low". 01:27 ogra_ibook jelkner, thats not true Mithrandir: sorry to bother, but can you comment on 01:28 JaneW ThinclientLocal Devices please? we are in an Edubuntu meeting... jelkner, we have a ton of happy users that work fine 01:28 ogra_ibook with the breezy implementation which doesnt have any addons at all 01:28 jelkner ogra_ibook, what's not true 01:28 JaneW ogra: will it be very buggy if implemented? 01:28 JaneW ogra: was that the reason for not prioritising? Forgive me I don;t know the technical details here... 01:28 ogra_ibook JaneW, thats hard to predict, but it willl take a lot of time to get it right 01:28 jelkner ogra_ibook, we would have *way* more if we had local devices 01:28 Mithrandir JaneW: pong 01:29 jelkner you can't say it is not true just because we have x number of happy users 01:29 ogra_ibook JaneW, thats a question only mdz can answer I understand jelkner and flint points very well, and agrre with them on the fact that local device support 01:29 mhz is very 'convincing' issue for modern end-users. But can't the dc instances start using edubuntu and wait 6 months or less? 01:29 JaneW Mithrandir: hi, thanks. Mithrandir: sorry to bother, but can you comment on 01:29 JaneW ThinclientLocal Devices please? we are in an Edubuntu meeting... 01:29 Mithrandir JaneW: I think it's doable for dapper, but it requires somebody to have time for it allocated. 01:29 ogra_ibook jelkner, and you cant say we dont get users because local devices are missing ;) 01:29 jelkner what about the 3*x number of users we don't have because we don't have local devices? 01:29 jelkner i know we are missing users because of this 01:29 flint kjcole, gotcha so the rank order contrast would look like this, Here is what your direction has been set to: 01:29 flint essential. Low Memory 01:29 flint high. Fast Startup 01:29 flint medium. Sound 01:29 flint low. Local Devices Mithrandir: sorry to put you on the spot, but I am 01:29 JaneW trying to establish if it is in any way possible to get the spec implemented suuccesfully and entirely and stability for dapper 01:29 flint Here is what is needed 01:29 flint essential. Low Memory 01:30 flint high. Local Devices 01:30 flint medium. Sound 01:30 flint low. Fast Startup 01:30 Mithrandir JaneW: I think it is. 01:30 jelkner i have potential users ready for me to setup labs, but not without a way for there students to save data 01:30 jelkner i'm also catching a bit of hell from current users who keep asking me "when can we save data?" 01:30 ogra_ibook Mithrandir, i'm fine with putting time into the ltsp side if someone cares for dbus and the g-v-m side 01:30 JaneW Mithrandir: are you proposing doing the LTSP parts as well? 01:30 jelkner i keep telling them "patients, its coming" 01:31 jelkner that's why i'm such a pain around this issue 01:31 JaneW jelkner: is it a hospital? jelkner, at the university here we have sun thinclients 01:31 juliux and there is no local device support availiable, because the admins have disabled it 01:31 Mithrandir JaneW: but it requires somebody who understands dbus &c to do it, it's probably tricky to get correct. 01:31 jelkner juliux: yes, students have network storage 01:31 ogra_ibook jelkner, why do you do that ? i told you long time ago its not reliably fixed yet 01:31 jelkner so local devices are not a problem 01:31 JaneW Mithrandir: right, and it's mdz's call whether we can even try... 01:31 jelkner common in university settings 01:32 flint the folks who use this thing have a perception of the priority order that contrasts the project management. 01:32 jelkner not common in elemantary schools, libraries, community centers 01:32 juliux jelkner, but not everybody need it 01:32 JaneW flint: huh? JaneW: yes. My out-of-the-air guess is a week to get 01:32 Mithrandir it working somewhat, double that or so to get it working nicely. 01:32 jelkner juliux: i never said everyone needed it 01:32 jelkner i don't, for example 01:32 jelkner i did say most do 01:33 jelkner and the communities i feel we are trying to reach need it most 01:33 flint JaneW, local storage is a higher priortiy for the users than say sound. 01:33 ogra_ibook Mithrandir, do you agree asking for a UVF exception and extend the time until feature freeze would be enough 01:33 JaneW Mithrandir: ok, we'll take it further with mdz. Thanks. 01:33 flint by users i mean line teachers in a classroom. 01:33 Mithrandir ogra_ibook: yes, it's not something which can be done before UVF. 01:33 ogra_ibook Mithrandir, thats what i would go for ... 01:33 JaneW flint: no not really 01:33 ogra_ibook oki JaneW: if I were to do it, I would prefer to do the whole delivery, since coordinating with oneself is less 01:34 Mithrandir work than coordinating with somebody else. You might need to fight with mdz/Kamion about taking time away from working on live cd/installer stuff. 01:34 juliux flint, i think sound is more neede as local device support Stating the obvious perhaps, but here in the US, there 01:34 kjcole are enough computers that students (and others) will need access to their materials away from the lab. Especially if they are doing "home" homework. 01:34 JaneW Mithrandir: erk, isn't liveCD installer more NB? 01:34 ogra_ibook i thought it was taking time from network auth 01:34 flint juliux, actually the last thing you need in a classroom is more sounds :^) 01:35 JaneW flint: head phones 01:35 Mithrandir JaneW: I'm hacking on some not-live installer bits to get better keyboard support into the live cd 01:35 flint JaneW, or another think for the child to loose/mis-adjust 01:35 juliux flint, but you also dont want that the students can bring there one programms on a usb stick 01:35 Mithrandir JaneW: I'm not touching espresso, though I think I shall look at it at some point. 01:35 juliux flint, i am a student and students love it to attact the lan Mithrandir / ogra: could you 2 have a word with mdz if 01:35 JaneW you see him later, and we can discuss again in the Dapper meeting tomorrow morning? 01:35 jelkner juliux: why not? 01:36 Mithrandir JaneW: mdz is around now 01:36 ogra_ibook JaneW, yup juliux, actually, if the kid shows up with the game he 01:36 flint just wrote in python, we get down on our knees and praise god. 01:36 flint is mdz up? 01:36 ogra_ibook he's awake ? 01:36 JaneW isn't it a bit early still? 01:36 flint I will call him and get him on the channel is you all want 01:36 ogra_ibook havent seen a trace 01:36 jelkner people must have a way to save data, simple as that 01:37 juliux webspace? 01:37 flint it is 4:49 local time Los Angeles ok anyway we have discussed this long enough here, 01:37 JaneW we'll speak to mdz, and let you know what the verdict is. 01:37 jelkner juliux: fine for privileded users, not fine for those who don' t have it 01:37 JaneW what's next? 01:37 juliux jelkner, most have it 01:37 jelkner not true 01:37 jelkner perhaps in your setting 01:37 juliux jelkner, every student have one 01:38 ogra_ibook the edubuntu-artwork package is ready so far 01:38 jelkner not here 01:38 juliux jelkner, also in us 01:38 JaneW ogra: great, you still need artwork though right? 01:38 ogra_ibook it will hit the archive today or tomorrow with the age selection built in 01:38 jelkner i am in us 01:38 JaneW ogra: and will you have several selections after install? as discussed previously? 01:38 ogra_ibook but indeed i need some artwork to put in :) 01:38 JaneW ogra: great thanks 01:38 jelkner and most students do not have their own web space 01:39 ogra_ibook JaneW, sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork will give you 3 choices 01:39 juliux jelkner, but webspace from the university 01:39 mhz ogra: there are some backgrounds almost ready to be tested/used 01:39 jelkner juliux: yes, university students do 01:39 mhz 1 for each age selection 01:39 ogra_ibook mhz, i have to wait for something official 01:39 jelkner not elementary students, community folks, etc 01:39 mhz (they're supposed to be ready by friday afternoon) 01:40 mhz ogra: ahhhhh 01:40 JaneW mhz: are you going to put them on the art site? 01:40 mhz JaneW: of course :) 01:40 ogra_ibook i'm happy to add community stuff now, but dont be disappointed if it gets replaced by something 01:40 JaneW ogra: but I think we'll only get one official wall paper, for the default install 01:40 mhz ogra: i know the drill ;) 01:40 JaneW ogra / mhz: we can and should have community contributed stuff too 01:40 ogra_ibook JaneW, i still have no answer from silbs about that 01:41 ogra_ibook JaneW, i asked if we get one or three designs 01:41 JaneW mhz: yes we will need to explicitly run them by the powers that be this time though, so avoid a lynching ;) 01:41 mhz JaneW / ogra : we are working on GTK theme drafts 01:41 JaneW s/so/to 01:41 JaneW mhz: YAY :) 01:41 flint ok, i just talked to mdz. 01:41 ogra_ibook mhz, we want to kepp the default theme from ubuntu ... 01:42 ogra_ibook mhz, at least for the gnome desktop 01:42 flint the deal here is that it is not a priority issue. juliux, Universities have had computers for centuries, and are generally well ahead of what the K-12 crowd has 01:42 kjcole in the way of computers, network access, tech support people, etc. One look at the apps labeled "education" in Edubuntu tells you who the current target audience is, and it ain't university students... 01:42 mhz ogra: okis, I long ago understood there will be no 'coordination' with 'central work' 01:42 mhz :( 01:42 flint he feels that no one has figured out how to do local devices to his satisfaction. 01:42 ogra_ibook (gtk that is) 01:43 ogra_ibook mhz, thats not true 01:43 flint btw do not call him again, he is "entertaining"... 01:43 ogra_ibook mhz, but changing the gtk theme was never in scope 01:43 mhz ogra: it is and you just told you have not 'heard' from slbs 01:44 mhz ogra: ? IIRC, we said (looong ago) "we need 3 themes" 01:44 ogra_ibook mhz, nope, its not, we can ship a lot of community stuff 01:44 ogra_ibook mhz, its just that the default will be a professionally designed one 01:44 mhz ogra: yes, we can ship but we are not working "coordinated" with slbs, are we? 01:44 ogra_ibook and i dont know yet if all three defaults will be or only one 01:45 ogra_ibook but beyond that, we can put a ton of wallpapers into the artwork package or additional stuff to select from yes, thats cool, i am not complaining :) I am just 01:45 mhz saying that I have no clue what slbs and the designers are working on 01:45 JaneW ogra: do you think so? I woiuld think it should look a bit distinct... 01:45 mhz no roadmap or anything 01:45 ogra_ibook mhz, silbs works with an art agency 01:45 ogra_ibook mhz, there is the dapper release schedule ... 01:46 ogra_ibook it should have artwork deadlines 01:46 mhz ogra: heheh, yes, I know about the shcedule 01:46 mhz but i'll put it this way: Here, in this meeting we are talking as Edubuntu community to work on stuff or help dont care what silbs and the designers are working on, 01:46 ogra_ibook just go on with your stuff ... as i said, i think we'll have enough space on the Cd this time to add artwork 01:46 mhz I have never heard of slbs plans on design 01:47 JaneW flint: you saying it's not worth us talking to mdz about the issue? 01:47 flint JaneW, No. Read carefully. 01:47 mhz ogra: exactly, I appreciate you can have some room for artwork, hence we are working on 3 gtk drafts 01:48 JaneW flint he feels that no one has figured out how to do local devices to his satisfaction. ogra: but i am just saying "I know we (commnity) dont 01:48 mhz work in coordination with 'official hired artwork plans' 01:48 flint JaneW, yes, exactly! Zimmerman says that the current spec is incomplete 01:48 ogra_ibook mhz, the -artwork package isnt prepared to handle gtk themes and was never intended to do so 01:48 mhz ogra: ooops, i didnt know that 01:48 flint if the specification for local devices was complete we could move forward. 01:48 jelkner i gotta run guys, same time next week? 01:49 ogra_ibook mhz, thats why i said the above :) 01:49 flint indeed elkner, do not give up on what you need to teach. 01:49 mhz and then, JaneW and ogra, what should i understand by "we need 3 age-splittted-artwork" ? 01:49 ogra_ibook flint, Mithrandir knows how to implement it ... we'd have to sort it in a meeting with mdz 01:50 ogra_ibook mhz, the artwork package will offer to select one of three age categories 01:50 ogra_ibook (post install) 01:51 mhz ogra: okis, and what will that include? only wallpapers? 01:51 ogra_ibook involving icons, splash and wallpaper 01:51 mhz ahh 01:51 flint ogra_ibook, can Mithrandir write a specification to satisfy mdz? 01:51 mhz hmmm, Icons will take much longer 01:51 ogra_ibook gah, i have a horrible lag here ... 01:51 mhz unless we use Tango, Gartoon and other 01:51 ogra_ibook flint, i can write it after having a meeting 01:52 ogra_ibook mhz, yes, thats the plan 01:52 flint ogra_ibook, do you have the time to do this? I can help with specs...think of me as your secretary! we are ging to have to try to have one of these 01:52 JaneW meetings where we don't spend an hour + arguing, but rather try to collaborate... that would be a novel change . flint, we had a wonderful clear spec after the first 01:53 ogra_ibook BOF meeting ... that was going a bit confusing during the next ones 01:53 flint ogra_ibook, that is correct, imagine me in a short dress on your lap....hmmm. 01:53 ogra_ibook eeek 01:53 JaneW we haven't even discussed the cook book yet. 01:53 JaneW and I fear the bickering puts people off... === Simira [n=rpGirl@118.84-48-121.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:53 JaneW flint: arrgh! 01:53 ogra_ibook flint, will you carry pompoms ? 01:53 flint kevin is here and much progress has been made in this area... 01:54 flint ogra_ibook, pompoms only if you are good, and bring cigars. 01:54 kjcole My cue, I guess... 01:54 ogra_ibook sure i will :) 01:54 mhz JaneW: true but if not here, when? 01:54 mhz :) 01:54 mhz JaneW: the good thing is we are reaching agreements ;) 01:54 mhz or so it seems 01:55 JaneW mhz: granted, but this happens each week. We really need a good face to face pounch up to get it all out ;) 01:55 mhz heheh, indeed Cookbook: Now more than halfway through the first 01:55 kjcole pass. Also, with the help of ogra, jblack, lifeless and flint, I've been getting a much better handle on how to use bzr. 01:55 mhz cool!, Kamion 01:55 mhz cool!, kjcole 01:55 mhz (this autocompleting!) 01:55 JaneW kjcole: excellent :)) 01:55 mhz (it should present matches before) 01:56 JaneW kjcole: how much editting is it needing? 01:56 flint and do not forget the help from mhz!!! 01:56 ogra_ibook mhz, it does if you dont hit enter to quickly :) I see launchapd is now tracking our revisions too (as 01:56 kjcole of yesterday, it appears). I put the branch in there while we were sitting in Montreal. 01:56 mhz flint: I have not been of any help yet 01:57 flint mhz, mhz has been of excellent help setting up a bzr repository for the use of the cookbook project. 01:57 mhz flint: I will. jelkner and kjcole will let me in once they finish 1st part 01:57 JaneW mhz: just saw your pic, you look quite a lot like Jeff Waugh ;) 01:57 flint mhz, you already have access to the depository, say the word and I put you back in the sudoers file... 01:58 mhz JaneW: is that a good or bad thing :) ? JaneW, I wish we'd gotten to this before jelkner had to 01:58 kjcole split. We have very similar styles regarding wording, but different priorities. Since jelkner has actually published and I have not, I bow to his priorities. 01:58 flint JaneW, do not scare the poor man off! 01:58 mhz ogra_ibook: ohh, it does it, thx 01:58 mhz (tab Tab) 01:59 JaneW kjcole: yes sorry I wasn;t watching the clock closely, we'll def do cook book first next week === lguerra [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:59 JaneW kjcole: does it cause conflict between you at all? 01:59 mhz kjcole: wise it is, unless until cookbook is out and then you would also stop being a 'padawan' :D 01:59 flint JaneW, this priority stuff had to take priority :^) JaneW, His approach is "Keep as much of the tuxLab Cookbook as possible. Whittle it down. When finished 01:59 kjcole whittling, add in material specific to Dapper. Release. Add in more "How to teach usung Edubuntu." Release again." 02:00 mhz lguerra: bienvenido!!! 02:00 lguerra Hi mhz 02:00 flint my evil contribution was to look over the cookbook outline...and revise it for use on planet earth. 02:00 mhz JaneW: lguerra is being the only 'other' active person in #edubuntu-es, very willing to help and test 02:01 JaneW kjcole: seems to make sense... JaneW, Not much conflict, no. I just worry that people 02:01 kjcole might be expecting marvelous changes from what we both already consider to be a very fine piece of work we've started from. 02:01 flint lguerra, any friend of Mauritzo is a friend of us. 02:01 lguerra tks Flint kjcole: no I don;t think major changes are expected, we 02:02 JaneW just have to makes sure it is relevent and there are no weird tuxlab references that make no sense in the edubuntu context JaneW, that is the most dissapointing part, there is 02:02 flint little conflict. I feel about conflict and arguement like a vampire feels about blood.... 02:02 JaneW flint: I know but you are into S&M 02:02 mhz lguerra: we are now listening about kjcole and jelkner advances on CookBook for Edubuntu 02:02 JaneW flint: and swinging, and beastility and who know what else... 02:02 mhz flint: thx seriously, the real challange is that the tuxlab book 02:03 flint was written very closely to the Shuttleworth foundation requirements in SA. This must be much more general. 02:03 JaneW flint: agreed ogra_ibook, I had sent you the LTSP startup stuff from 02:03 kjcole the tuxLab Cookbook for you to revise. Had a free second to work miracles there as well as everywhere else you've been working miracles? === jsgotangco [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:04 mhz jsgotangco: wb 02:04 JaneW hi jsgotangco 02:04 flint JaneW, one thing you could really help with...the graphics in the tuxlab book are...what is the word? 02:04 JaneW flint: cool 02:04 JaneW ? 02:05 ogra_ibook heh 02:05 JaneW flint: what do you need? 02:05 flint JaneW, is Johnathan Carter on the line? === jsgotangco tiptoes into meeting... 02:05 JaneW flint: not sure... 02:05 JaneW highvoltage: ping 02:05 JaneW flint: you can be candid 02:05 flint JaneW, I just do not want to hurt highvoltages feelings, he is a crack kinda guy... 02:05 JaneW Jonathan didn;t draw them anyway, there was an illustrator 02:06 jsgotangco crack? 02:06 flint there is a pix of RMS in the original that must be seen to be believed!!! 02:06 JaneW who got paid 02:06 flint JaneW, ok get the money back. 02:06 flint JaneW, now. 02:06 JaneW I think it was meant to be amusing and a bit tongue in cheek === Simira [n=rpGirl@118.84-48-121.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting JaneW, jelkner likes them. I find them to be 02:07 kjcole "consistent" which is a big plus, and "gentle" which is also okay. Am I thrilled by them? Not exactly, but no real complaints. (I'm easy.) 02:07 flint JaneW, darlin' I mean "damn" 02:07 JaneW kjcole: ITA with your interpretation 02:07 ogra_ibook i'm not sure we have the allowance to ship the graphics 02:07 mhz lol 02:07 mhz I can place a picture of myself 02:08 JaneW ogra: I think we can... but I'll need to dbl check 02:08 jsgotangco what's the status of the manual? 02:08 flint ogra_ibook, me I want that eurotrash look, kinda bauhaus... 02:08 mhz I have gained more wight last 2 months 02:08 ogra_ibook flint, cool ! 02:08 mhz and from a 10 mt distance, I can play RMS very well 02:08 ogra_ibook flint, make some drawings ;) 02:08 flint ogra_ibook, exactly! 02:08 mhz ogra: and you can have my permission to include it 02:09 flint mhz, you probably do not like tea and bathe regularly. we will consider you... maybe! 02:09 mhz heheh 02:09 kjcole ogra_ibook: LTSP (moo cow?) bootup walkthrough? 02:09 ogra_ibook nah 02:09 ogra_ibook not needed for us 02:10 flint JaneW, seriously, there is a crying need for an artistic theme here. 02:10 ogra_ibook as well as only lts.conf settings we support should show up in the cookbook 02:10 flint JaneW, were you involved in the original tuxlab book? 02:10 JaneW flint: again I don' think it's a priority, but if someone does it, great we'lll be very happy. === jsgotangco sits in a chair 02:10 JaneW flint: no not at all, I first heard of it at the London Summit 02:11 flint JaneW, think of the book as print advertising for the project. ogra_ibook: Dunno who we need authority from on 02:11 kjcole graphics but the I've been in touch with the original author and the illustrator and both gave us their blessings. 02:11 JaneW flint: which is where I first got to know Jonathan and Hilton too 02:11 mhz flint: we could also help with those graphics as soon as we get time to read and work on it 02:11 ogra_ibook kjcole, ok, thats enough 02:11 JaneW ok oiur time is up, anything else/ 02:11 JaneW ? 02:12 ogra_ibook i was remembering the original was under a strange license 02:12 jsgotangco :) i suppose my thought here is that the default themes of 02:12 flint edubuntu should closely match the illustration style of the book. 02:12 JaneW ogra: that was the draft it wasn;t released yet 02:12 ogra_ibook flint, so you want RMs wallpapers o_O 02:12 jsgotangco err what's the status of the manual? (nobody answered) 02:12 ogra_ibook s/RMs/RMS 02:12 mhz ogra: LOL! 02:12 flint ogra_ibook, ouch! ogra_ibook: The walkthrough doesn't tell people what to 02:13 kjcole do, it just explains (in horrid detail) what happens during the boot. Since that's all changed (according to jelkner) he wanted you to revise that. 02:13 mhz jsgotangco: i have no clue yet 02:13 flint jsgotangco, the draft is out on bzr. 02:13 jsgotangco url? 02:13 mhz hmm, i am also a little lazy, url ? 02:14 flint http://docbook.flint.com. kevin is this correct? 02:14 JaneW Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial License 02:14 mhz lguerra: that is it :) 02:14 ogra_ibook kjcole, you wont see anything in the bootprocess except the progressbar of usplash once i'm done 02:14 jsgotangco oh its in docbook? 02:14 flint oops https://docbox.flint.com kevin help a fella here! 02:14 kjcole Lauchpad still points to my copy. I'll point it at docbox later this morning. 02:14 ogra_ibook kjcole, indeed you can describe whats going on behind the scenes 02:15 flint i will endeavor to get the silly url correct 02:15 kjcole ogra_ibook: That's what the original did: The behind the scenes stuff. 02:15 ogra_ibook yup 02:16 flint my book will be called "the making of the edubuntu cookbook" it will be a horror novel. 02:16 kjcole flint, FITS 02:16 ogra_ibook hehe 02:16 ogra_ibook i'll buy one 02:16 jsgotangco NOTICE TO USERS This computer system is the private property of its owner, whether individual, corporate or government. It 02:16 jsgotangco is for authorized use only. Users (authorized or unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy. 02:16 jsgotangco nice 02:16 jsgotangco with a round shiny edubuntu logo 02:17 kjcole jsgotangco, hold. flint was a wee bit premature with that announcement. 02:17 flint actually elkner and kevin seem to have this matter well in hand... 02:17 flint kjcole, sorry kevin, you are correct. it is not soup yet. 02:17 jsgotangco Flint Information Technology Services (FITS) 02:17 jsgotangco Montpelier, VT 05602-8361 02:18 JaneW flint: sorry but that is SUCH A United States type warning! jsgotangco: CURRENTLY the bzr repository is at http://pchb1f.gallaudet.edu/~kjcole/Edubuntu/Cookbook 02:18 kjcole but I never wanted to keep it there as it is a Gallaudet University machine which I have no rights to make a public repository. 02:18 flint jsgotangco, i suppose i need to go look at this thing...every morning something new... === JaneW logs off IMMEDIATELY jelkner keeps asking if we can have the master 02:19 kjcole repository on launchpad. As I understand things launchpad would only be a mirror. 02:19 mhz flint: and that url is ready to be used as bzr branch? 02:19 jsgotangco why not use supermirror? 02:20 flint hey at least it is working? who knows how to use the supermirror? 02:20 mhz .oO(first time I saw 'branch' I thought you meant brakfast + lunch , or a late morning breakfast) 02:20 flint JaneW, I did not put the silly thing up! this is what happens when you play with other kids... 02:20 kjcole jsgotangco: is supermirror different from launchpad? 02:20 highvoltage JaneW: pong 02:21 JaneW highvoltage: hello 02:21 highvoltage flint: yes, i am now 02:21 jsgotangco kjcole, supermirror is basically part of LP 02:21 ogra_ibook jsgotangco, supermirror isnt ready yet afaik 02:21 jsgotangco (or something like that) 02:21 JaneW highvoltage: flint was discussing the cookbook images JaneW: My fault. I put that there, since I'm not 02:21 kjcole certain how docbox will ultimately be used (other than as the Cookbook repository) and it's flint's box. 02:21 highvoltage meeting still on? 02:21 jsgotangco ahhh 02:21 jsgotangco hmm 02:21 flint highvoltage, johnathan, I was disparaging the tuxbook portrait of RMS... 02:21 highvoltage :) 02:22 highvoltage just an update on the cookbook from TSF side, if I may. 02:22 highvoltage (and it's jonathan, btw) 02:22 JaneW linus's one isn;t too bad JaneW: And I know flint to have something of a 02:22 kjcole background in computer security. Last but not least "Flint Information Technology Services (FITS)" is a bit of an inside joke. 02:22 highvoltage the cookbook is practically being re-written. 02:22 flint highvoltage, sorry, I always do that, and it is completely wrong. 02:22 JaneW kjcole: yes I noticed that too! 02:22 flint highvoltage, johnathan....gotta work on that. 02:23 JaneW highvoltage: huh? What? Why? === mhz got TOTALLY lost now we're updating a huge amount of the content, which 02:23 highvoltage we'll give over to copywriters who will merge it with the first version of the book. 02:23 highvoltage everything will be available in docbook. 02:23 highvoltage flint: no problem :) 02:23 kjcole highvoltage: ???? 02:23 JaneW flint: J O N A T H A N ! 02:23 flint kjcole, excellent work ont the repository... 02:23 highvoltage flint: you're the only person in the world i'll excuse for that 02:23 flint JaneW, ok I feel guilty... 02:23 highvoltage now that I'm here (and sorry for just jumping in like this) 02:23 flint highvoltage, thanks for your kind indulgence... 02:24 highvoltage i sent the request for the drupel site on http://proto.edubuntu.org 02:24 highvoltage when people get back into work mode we can get our drupal site nicely set up. 02:24 JaneW highvoltage: yipee 02:24 mhz kjcole: sorry, CookBook is not the one we needed? highvoltage, we have the edubuntu cookbook in a bzr 02:24 flint repository, since you are its mother I will get you an account on the site if you want it. 02:24 highvoltage JaneW: i was wondering, perhaps we should do the new website launch with the next release again? 02:24 highvoltage (for maximum effect) 02:25 highvoltage flint: thank you, that will be good 02:25 jsgotangco +1 02:25 JaneW highvoltage: yes good idea, that worked well, and we got good traffic 02:25 flint highvoltage, i have been playing with drupal for a lamp thing it is not bad. 02:25 JaneW highvoltage: can you co-ord the necessary again? 02:25 highvoltage JaneW: yes 02:26 highvoltage we also have an increase in the amount of people interested in helping with content on the website. God I hate IRC sometimes. highvoltage: I thought 02:26 kjcole jelkner and I were working on the cookbook as we've been meeting every sunday... 02:26 jsgotangco content - wiki pages? 02:26 JaneW excellent i have received plenty e-mails and I advise people to 02:27 highvoltage join the web team on launchpad, so when the drupal site is up, they will all be commisioned to start writing specific parts and work on some sub-projects. 02:27 JaneW kjcole: I think highvoltage means THEIR version for tuxlabs - right? 02:27 ogra kjcole, he's talking about tuxlabs 02:27 highvoltage jsgotangco: not quite, but similar. 02:27 JaneW highvoltage: your re-write is for your own purposes right? 02:27 highvoltage sorry, yes. 02:27 kjcole Ahhhh, thanks for the clarification all 02:27 jsgotangco :/ 02:27 highvoltage let me clarify, version 2 of the howto is for tuxlabs. 02:27 highvoltage and that's what we are working on at the foundation. 02:27 flint kjcole, this drupal input is a good thing... === mhz is understanding a little more now 02:27 JaneW highvoltage: will your rewrite affect us at all? I.e. changes we should know about and could benefit from? 02:28 highvoltage however, we will use Edubuntu for installation in the new version, instead of Ubuntu+LTSP.org or K12LTSP. 02:28 highvoltage JaneW: yes. 02:28 flint highvoltage, i would like to have you look over the overall cookbook outline... 02:28 ogra highvoltage, then it would be desirable to work together on the new version i think 02:28 highvoltage it's not very friendly documentation, since we're relying on copywriters to do all the poetry, 02:28 JaneW highvoltage: well perhaps you should look at what 'we' (royal we) have done to adapt it ti edubuntu 02:28 flint highvoltage, oh so you don't want local storage either :^) 02:28 highvoltage and it's broken up in modules that doesn't /quite/ make sense at the moment 02:29 ogra flint, :P 02:29 highvoltage but i'll pass it on, there will be some value in it. 02:29 flint ogra, ok, i will try to be good... (Anyway, as I was saying earlier, I put the repository out on my office desktop machine which Gallaudet would 02:29 kjcole probably not be thrilled with, if they knew. So, flint has set up docbox.flint.com, which is where launchpad will point shortly.) personally, I feel that this should have been a 02:29 highvoltage collaborative effort from the start, however, there are some people here who don't agree. 02:30 jsgotangco :/ 02:30 ogra flint, else i'll steal your miniskirt and send you out to the public with only the pompoms 02:30 mhz highvoltage: so the idea is we will be using Drupal for the purposes of.... ? Next week though, I will talk to them again, snip some 02:30 highvoltage of this meeting to show that there *is* outside support. 02:30 flint highvoltage, the deal here is that you gotta do for Shuttleworth. === mhz is not complaining 02:30 flint ogra, I have some big pompoms, also made of brass... 02:30 highvoltage flint: ok 02:31 ogra lol 02:31 mhz highvoltage: here? 02:31 highvoltage mhz: sorry, terribly distracted 02:31 jsgotangco bah === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 02:31 flint highvoltage, the neat thing about drupal / bzr is we can have our cakes and eat them too. 02:32 mhz highvoltage: ohh, here = tuxlab ? mhz: that swiss guy (sorry, can't remember his name) 02:32 highvoltage pointed out some very good reasons to use drupal, so we agreed to try it out for the website === doko [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:32 highvoltage mhz: here = at the foundation 02:32 ogra there is even a wikipage with the desired structure iirc 02:32 mhz highvoltage: okis, and Moin will be dropped then? === Hirion [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting highvoltage, the tuxlabs book specified how to interact 02:32 flint with the foundation as part of the install process. you had standard hardware for servers. things were much clearer than in the world. 02:32 ogra mhz, moin is the wiki and will stay 02:33 highvoltage mhz: mostly, although we'll keep the wiki, and we'll keep the moin "web" pages as a backup to drupal === mhz got lost again 02:33 highvoltage mhz: just in case ogra's prophecy of an Edubuntu porn site comes true 02:33 mhz drupal will be for ....? 02:33 highvoltage mhz: the Edubuntu website 02:33 flint ogra, moin is not a bad thing either... 02:33 ogra mhz, we use moin for edu/ku/ubuntu as wiki and wont drop it 02:33 mhz isnt wiki = web site? === mhz is terribly lost now, sorry 02:34 ogra mhz, for the website we currently have static pages 02:34 highvoltage mhz: not necassarily :) === vuntz [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:34 JaneW highvoltage: Phillip 02:34 ogra mhz, we want a content management system so people can also edit the website 02:34 mhz ogra: ahhhhh! www.edubuntu.org 02:34 flint mhz, Mauritzo, what we have here is a potlatch. or a battle of pleantful resources... 02:34 ogra mhz, so wiki == moin, website == drupal mhz: so the website will be used for fancy things, like 02:34 highvoltage photo galleries, static pages, feedback forms, etc. While the wiki will be used exactly as it is used now (basically) 02:35 highvoltage JaneW: yes, thanks. === vuntz [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW needs to go, have actually work to do... ;) 02:35 mhz highvoltage: / ogra: now I get it right!!! 02:35 mhz thx for the extra patience 02:35 highvoltage mhz: no problem 02:35 JaneW ack 3 days into the new year and all my typos are back... 02:35 flint and these subsidiary or development pages can be used at will 02:35 mhz www.edubuntu.org and wiki.edubuntu.org 02:36 mhz JaneW: this is also work. we are working 02:36 mhz :)\ === vuntz__ [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:36 JaneW mhz: I know ;) 02:36 highvoltage mhz: technically, i'm on work time now, so i'm avoiding work 02:36 mhz highvoltage: lol! you always with your sense of humour, good! === Hirion [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting  02:37 flint highvoltage, wait a minute, I am always in favor of acquiring resources in an unauthorized manner... === kjcole finishes dressing and runs out the door... Bound for paying work once more... 02:37 flint thanks kevin!!! 02:37 JaneW highvoltage: but Vickis not there anymore so no problemo ;) 02:37 highvoltage flint: perhaps that's why I like your style so much highvoltage: i do not understand why we have 02:37 mhz http://wiki.edubuntu BUT https://wiki.ubuntu (notice the https) 02:37 JaneW kjcole: you been naked all this time? 02:37 highvoltage JaneW: yes, we are taking over. and Zelda is grrreat 02:38 flint highvoltage, thanks ma man... anyway boys and girls, lets blow this pop stand till next week. 02:38 mhz highvoltage: could we have them equal 02:38 highvoltage mhz: what do you mean? 02:38 mhz both http or https 02:39 highvoltage mhz: i can access http://wiki.edubuntu.com fine. 02:39 mhz me too 02:39 flint mhz, Mauritzo http or https, it matters little...the apache locks them together as a default. 02:39 ogra https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ works fine as well 02:39 mhz really?????? 02:39 highvoltage works for me. 02:39 ogra https should automatically be used if youre logged in 02:39 mhz http://wiki.ubuntu ? 02:40 highvoltage that looks like an incomlete domain name :) 02:40 flint germans of course obsess about cryptography, they think it is cool :^) 02:40 mhz ogra: my url shows http://wiki. even after logging in 02:40 flint ogra, ...must be some german in me... 02:40 ogra flint, i'm no tyical german then :) 02:40 mhz highvoltage: i was lazzy to type thw whole thing :) 02:41 flint ogra, if germans like coffee then "Ich bein un berliner" 02:41 ogra flint, i'm just struggling with an answer to a request for hardened edubuntu 02:41 ogra hehe 02:41 flint ogra, that is the silliest thing i have heard all morning... 02:41 highvoltage flint: what do you mean with a crack kind of guy? i'm not familiar with the expression 02:41 ogra lol, yes 02:42 flint highvoltage, are you back on the pipe again? flint: and you can always be honest with me, if you 02:42 highvoltage think that something i did is crap, feel free to express it any way you like :) 02:42 ogra highvoltage, try s/crack/crazy 02:42 highvoltage ogra: thanks for clearing that up :) === JaneW starts fading this time of day... it's over 33 degs celcius in here 02:43 ogra oh, i wish the snow outside would finally melt :) 02:43 mhz JaneW: it will be 34 C here in Chile too 02:43 JaneW not sure how much higher, cos my thermometer is off the scale... 02:43 flint highvoltage, johnathan, the writting is great, the RMS and Torvalds pix...well... 02:43 highvoltage JaneW: it's nice and air-conditioned here at the office :) 02:43 highvoltage flint: jonathan 02:43 flint highvoltage, you bad man... 02:43 JaneW it's a swiss thermometer and it reckons inside temps range from 8-30 only 02:43 highvoltage JaneW: not -8? :) 02:44 JaneW highvoltage: that's reason enough to drive 70km actually! 02:44 flint fyi i believe it is warm here in vermont. about 10 F. anyway, i'm busy sorting my internet connection out 02:44 highvoltage again, when that's back up i can be involved 100% again. 02:44 JaneW highvoltage: nah it's for indoor temps, mean to be climate controlled my time problems have basically been sorted out, so I 02:44 highvoltage won't be as scarce as I was since... well since the beginning :) JaneW: but my wife has bought a small pool and an 02:45 mhz 'amaca' (piece of handcraft made of cloth that you tie up with each top to a tree trank and you can then use it to swing and lay) 02:45 highvoltage and I also just want to say happy new year to everyone here, while we are still here. 02:45 mhz JaneW: so those 34 C will be more bearable 02:45 flint highvoltage, what did you think of the idea of having the books art match the product? 02:45 ogra oh, yes, happy new year ... forgot that as well 02:45 highvoltage flint: i'm all for it 02:46 flint mhz, she bought it but you probably had to set it up. 02:46 mhz flint: hehehehehe, nha, I was at the computer (AGAIN!!!) 02:46 mhz :D highvoltage, that was basically my point. Keep in mind 02:47 flint how blown away we all were to see that there was any documentation when we got together in London. 02:47 mhz flint: she asked "would you help me" I said 'yes' but she never asked "please help me now" 02:47 highvoltage ogra: how do you feel about the overall status of Edubuntu at present? 02:47 flint mhz, soon you will obey without question...right jane? 02:47 mhz :) 02:47 mhz already do that 02:48 ogra highvoltage, very good 02:48 JaneW mhz: d'oh I have a pool right here, I am going to leap in quickly. bbiab 02:48 mhz i just take advantage of non well asked questions 02:48 highvoltage ogra: i'm very glad to hear that 02:48 ogra highvoltage, (jelkner and flint wil disagree, since we dont have local device support out of the box) 02:48 highvoltage ogra: tough 02:48 highvoltage (meant toung in cheek there) 02:49 flint highvoltage, change is not the provence of reasonable men... 02:49 highvoltage ogra: security issue? is it likely that it will have it in the release following dapper? indeed all the manual setups from ltsp-org work just 02:49 ogra fine for local devices, its just not there out of the box 02:49 flint highvoltage, and ollie, that this pig flies at all, that this dog can dance, it is a good thing. 02:50 JaneW ok, I am jumping ship. Bye! 02:50 flint JaneW, enjoy the pool. dapper+1 will have it in any case , we try to make up 02:50 ogra some dev time for it to happen for dapper, but no promises === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:50 highvoltage JaneW: cheers! 02:51 highvoltage ogra: not that I'm properly qualified to say this, but great job! okey YOU ALL guys, gotta get back to kitchen :) ogra, 02:51 mhz we will continue working on the themes draft (1st times for use playing with GTK) and 3 wallpapers for Eduuntu. Will LDM need backgrounds? 02:51 highvoltage ogra: edubuntu would have been a disaster if it weren't for you 02:51 flint gang I feel I contributed constructively by calling mdz at 4:30 AM and yelling at him... 02:51 highvoltage yes, and /me need to get back to work, ciao 02:51 ogra mhz, have a look, i dropped the fullscreen backgrounds from ldm ... 02:52 flint highvoltage, good to hear from you, do not be a stranger Johnathan! === mhz hasnt seen dapper yet. I will soon 02:52 ogra mhz, it uses only the cropped logo and a background color now 02:52 mhz better 02:52 highvoltage flihnt: ok! 02:52 ogra the fullscreen pic at 1600x1200 was simply to big and made the loading slow 02:52 flint ogra, ollie i should have my evaluation space set up by next week. 02:52 ogra cool 02:52 ogra looks like we'll have flight3 very soon 02:53 Treenaks ogra: cool! 02:53 mhz ogra: shall I just get the edubuntu-desktop source and edubuntu-artwork? 02:53 ogra for ldm ? 02:53 ogra nope 02:53 flint ok I am out of here! === flint [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 02:53 ogra you need the ldm source which is in the ltsp source === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-meeting  02:53 mhz ogra: oh, ok 02:53 ogra lets move over to #edubuntu 02:54 mhz okis