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Meeting January 25, 2006
=== jelkner [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:00 JaneW hello 01:00 jelkner good morning! 01:00 juliux hi all 01:00 JaneW hi jelkner 01:01 jelkner JaneW: hi jane, did you get my email? 01:01 JaneW jelkner: you are up first today :) 01:01 jelkner cool! 01:01 JaneW let's just give it 2 mins 01:01 jelkner ok === flint_ [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:02 juliux hi mhz 01:02 mhz hi juliux 01:02 JaneW Q: Who is the target audience for the Edubuntu Cookbook? Hosted by jelkner - 5-10 mins 01:02 flint_ good morning edubuntu'ers 01:02 JaneW flint_: wanna do minutes? 01:02 kjcole Hi all. 01:02 JaneW hi kjcole 01:03 JaneW hi juliux 01:03 JaneW hi mhz 01:03 kjcole jelkner, outlines at http://docbox.flint.com/~kjcole/outlines.html 01:03 mhz hi JaneW 01:03 flint_ JaneW, we need to talk this offline. is matt around? 01:03 mhz flint_: hi edubuntero 01:03 JaneW flint_: I think he is yes 01:04 JaneW ok is ogra around? 01:04 ogra yup 01:04 JaneW highvoltage: ping 01:04 JaneW hi ogra === mhz is MauricioHernandez 01:04 JaneW who else do we need? 01:04 ogra i dont have to telly you much this week ... 01:04 JaneW mhz: I do know that :) 01:04 mhz heheh, it was for minutes purposes 01:04 JaneW ogra: is that good or bad? 01:04 JaneW ogra: do we have flight 3 testers? 01:04 ogra good for ubuntu, bad for edubuntu :) 01:05 JaneW :(( 01:05 JaneW ok lets not get into that yet 01:05 ogra i have done mostly ubuntu UVF work last week 01:05 JaneW are we ready to start? 01:05 jelkner tell me when 01:05 flint_ Mauritzo, I like it ... edubuntero indeed! 01:05 JaneW I have promised that jelkner can go first, since he has limited time... 01:05 JaneW jelkner: hit it 01:06 jelkner Ok, the question we need to resolve is: "Who is the target audience for the cookbook?" 01:06 JaneW I would say the peron who sets up the lab 01:06 highvoltage JaneW: pong, i am just about to go into another meeting though :/ 01:06 jelkner the answer to that question will determine which way we go forward 01:06 JaneW so either a teacher or beginner techie 01:06 JaneW highvoltage: ok, can we have a web update next week? 01:06 highvoltage JaneW: yep 01:07 jelkner JaneW: that was my orignial assumption 01:07 JaneW highvoltage: can you respond to question above? 01:07 JaneW "Who is the target audience for the cookbook?" 01:07 flint_ Morning Johnathan... 01:07 JaneW I don;t think it's the kids necessarily, although they may read it too 01:07 JaneW ogra? 01:07 jelkner Keep in mind there are direct implications to how we work depending on what we are aiming at. 01:07 ogra JaneW, ? 01:08 jelkner and we don't want to aim at "everyone" 01:08 highvoltage hi flihnt 01:08 JaneW ogra: looking for an opinion on "Who is the target audience for the cookbook?" 01:08 jelkner makes the book not that usable by anyone 01:08 ogra yes, i wonder why :) 01:08 highvoltage JaneW: i think the answer to that is, from a technical pov, it should be doable by teachers without any help 01:08 JaneW the book is about how to set up a lab ,right? 01:08 highvoltage but organisations who would like to replicate should be able to use it 01:08 ogra the atrget should be the admin who sets up the lab in first line 01:08 highvoltage got to run, i'm being called! 01:08 JaneW highvoltage: so you agree with my 'either a teacher or beginner techie' 01:08 JaneW bye 01:09 flint_ highvoltage, I promise by next meeting I ill learn how to spell... 01:09 ogra but the content should make it possible to use the cookbook in a class as well to explain ltsp and edubuntu 01:09 JaneW jelkner/ kjcole : think that's possible?^ 01:09 jelkner ogra: what do you mean by "use the cookbook in a class"? 01:09 kjcole JaneW: How to set up and use (as in ok, now I've got a lab... how do I use it to teach... Moodle, etc)... maybe. 01:09 lucasvo I don't know in which class one is supposed to learn something about edubuntu 01:10 JaneW jelkner: he is saying it can also be used to teach 'what is linux' 'what is FOSS' 01:10 ogra jelkner, as teaching material .. 01:10 jelkner hmm.. 01:10 ogra JaneW, nope, not in this wide range 01:10 ogra only what is ltsp, what is edubuntu 01:10 JaneW jelkner: got a URL for the cookbook so we can see what's in it now? 01:10 ogra there are enough good docs explaining FOSS out there :) 01:11 lucasvo I think there should be a general part and a part with a step by step explanation(something like: do this: sudo do this: rm -rf / do this ....) 01:11 jelkner there can never be enough! ;-) 01:12 lucasvo so at the beginning of every chapter for e.g. Installation of Network hardware, there should be a theoretical part explaining TCP/IP, netmask and that kind of stuff 01:12 jelkner Can I take a few minutes to explain what prompted this discussion? 01:12 JaneW we need the url, so ppl like lucasvo can see it 01:12 Seveas licio, pong 01:12 JaneW jelkner: YES please do 01:13 jelkner OK, we started with the TuxLab Cookbook 01:13 lucasvo we need a "server" for bzr, so people can checkout and merge 01:13 jelkner which is very much like the book most of you are describing 01:13 JaneW ogra: you got a server for us? ;) 01:13 flint_ lucasd, got one. docboc.flint.com 01:13 JaneW jelkner: yes, cos that's what we have seen ;) 01:13 flint_ corrction docbox.flint.com 01:13 jelkner Ou original plan was to keep to that text as much a possible 01:13 jelkner and to modify for Edubuntu 01:14 ogra JaneW, if i can store the hwdb on your home PC you can have some space on my server :P 01:14 JaneW jelkner: right, and has that changed? 01:14 jelkner If we pursue this path, we will need help from ogra and others who actually built the system, to make sure we get it right 01:14 JaneW sure we'll need some technical reviewing 01:15 ogra jelkner, i'm a bit overloaded until after the sprint (feature freeze) after this i'll have some more time to care for docs etc ... 01:15 jelkner in Kevin's discussion with ogra, he seemed to suggest that we won't need alot of the detail we were asking him for 01:16 flint_ ogra, ollie, do not lie to the nice tech writer, you are a programmer. Documentation is your sworn enemy :^) 01:16 jelkner and we didn't want to be a pain and keep bothering him, but while we can right, we don't know the details 01:16 jelkner also there is the question of others wanting to participate more 01:16 JaneW jelkner: right and is it very different to the current text? 01:17 jelkner that got us thinking about a very different kind of cookbook 01:17 mhz lucasvo: in an edubutu training class 01:17 ogra i just led a new user through ltsp installation last night, i could advise him with two lines to get it working ... there are not much details you need to know ... 01:17 jelkner one aimed not at technical folks, but at end users 01:17 JaneW jsgotangco and mhz have become fairly involved they may be able to help with the tech writing 01:17 ogra but the end users are technical folks in our case 01:17 jelkner not true 01:17 ogra i.e. school admins, teachers that care for the server 01:18 jelkner at least in our area, most of the "users" aren't technical people at all 01:18 Treenaks ogra: more technical than 'the general public', but still not sysadmin gods 01:18 ogra i didnt say sysadmin gods ;) 01:18 JaneW yes I also think that even 'technical' types my be only familiar with MS stuff 01:18 ogra that should be enough 01:19 jelkner the big question is around installation 01:19 jelkner the TuxLab book is mostly about setting up a lab 01:19 jelkner and *much* less about using it 01:19 kjcole The original cookbook went into great detail about the stages of booting ("... then tftp bla-bla-bla...") Who was that intended for? 01:19 jelkner Edubuntu is different in two ways: 01:19 jelkner 1. It is much easier to setup 01:20 jelkner 2. The applications is comes with are much more standard 01:20 JaneW jelkner: know what, I am happy for you to create it in the way that you think it;s required, my reason for this is 3 fold. === lucasvo1 [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:20 JaneW 1) Your are doing the work 01:20 JaneW 2) You are an educator and are closest to the type of traget audience we are looking at === lucasvo1 hates GNU screen 01:20 JaneW 3) We have limited time to get it done and out there 01:21 kjcole jelkner 3. No grants, standard equipment, etc. 01:21 jelkner 4) This is not the only book, only one of many 01:21 JaneW we can always amend it again, if we decide it needs to change for Dapper +1 for whatever reason 01:21 jelkner so if it fills some good need and we can get it done, we are ahead 01:21 JaneW is there agreement of my sledgehammer non-democratc approach? 01:21 mhz ;) 01:22 ogra JaneW, yes 01:22 lucasvo1 JaneW: what is so non-democratic? === JaneW claps 01:22 flint_ so the audience is teachers... 01:22 jelkner ok, in that case, we have a plan that will involve much less work from the technical folks and much more opportuniy for community participation 01:22 mhz imho, audience = any person in a school taking care of a lab 01:22 lucasvo1 I would say the audiense are teachers with a little aim to get to know something about the techniques used in school 01:22 JaneW flint_: no the auduence is whoever is going to set the lab up, which is likely educators in a lot of cases 01:22 jelkner we are going to have a real cookbook, complete with lots of recipies 01:23 mhz (computing lab) 01:23 flint_ ok educator not teacher... 01:23 JaneW lucasvo: I guess it wasn't that undemocratic, just manipulative ;) 01:23 jelkner kevin and flint have taken a stab at an outline already 01:23 lucasvo1 I would say NO education 01:23 lucasvo1 why shouldn't one use it at home? 01:23 JaneW mhz: agreed 01:23 jelkner so if anyone wants to participate, we can invite them to submit a recipie 01:24 JaneW jelkner: nice idea 01:24 mhz wiki:EdubuntuRecipies :D 01:24 flint_ lucasvol, educator rather than education, 01:24 lucasvo1 I would say: any person who is aimed to learn a at least llittlebit about techniques used and has a goal to set up a lab 01:24 lucasvo1 flint_: yes exactly 01:24 jelkner mhz: great 01:24 JaneW jelkner: we can also have community contributed hints and tips and 'favourite recipes' etc ;) 01:24 mhz oooh, that was a thought 01:25 jelkner JaneW 01:25 jelkner JaneW: yes! === mhz always speaks his mind 01:25 kjcole Before we decided to strip down the original, I tossed around an outline idea or three with flint (partially as a practical matter, partially to learn bzr) Those are at: http://docbox.flint.com/~kjcole/outlines.html 01:25 jelkner ok, we will have an update in 2 weeks 01:25 jelkner can we be early on the agenda for then? 01:25 JaneW great, thanks guys :) 01:25 JaneW sure 01:25 flint_ "Who is the target audience for the cookbook?" 01:25 flint_ Two ways this question can be answered. The two ways are... 01:25 flint_ 1. "focus Elkner-san" apporoach ..this is a target rich environment. pick one and nail it. 01:25 flint_ 2. "big tent many Clowns" develop a framework and fill as fast as possible. 01:25 JaneW next week ogra and I are at the distrosprint, and may not make the meeting... 01:26 JaneW depends how full our schedule is there... 01:26 ogra i'd like to make it, but leats see 01:26 mhz JaneW: jelkner: and we could even have EdubuntuStudyContent (fr whatever LMS we package) 01:26 JaneW if there is going to be NO meeting I'll let you know by the end of Tuesday. 01:26 jelkner mhz: yes, but that will take longer 01:27 kjcole flint_ Big KITCHEN, many COOKS (spoil the... never mind) 01:27 JaneW thanks jelkner and kjcole 01:27 jelkner ok, i've got to go, thanks everyone! 01:27 mhz jelkner: sure, but I am already listing some contents for a couple of 'pilot' training courses on Edubuntu for Teachers :D 01:27 JaneW have a good day 01:27 jelkner bye 01:27 flint_ later jeff... 01:27 lucasvo1 bye jelkner 01:27 ogra ciao jelkner 01:27 JaneW I ma happy that jelkner and kjcole have swing votes wrt the cook book to ensure that it has direction 01:27 mhz bye jelkner 01:28 JaneW ok, on the tech news 01:28 flint_ kjcole, I do like the cookbook motif... 01:28 JaneW ogra: you been pulled into ubuntu work this week? 01:28 ogra sure 01:29 ogra we had UVF, so i had to finish merges etc 01:29 ogra additionally i was 3 days at the eurolinux conference 01:29 ogra so not much edubuntu development this week 01:29 JaneW are all merges done now? 01:29 flint_ neat, how was eurolunux... 01:29 ogra sure 01:29 JaneW ok so where are we at? 01:29 JaneW Edubuntu Flight 3 released 01:29 ogra flint_, a bit diasappointing 01:29 JaneW how's it looking? 01:30 flint_ ogra, sorry. 01:30 ogra JaneW, yes, we are at flight 3 01:30 JaneW and how much more ids there to do? 01:30 ogra flight 4 will have gobby included 01:30 JaneW ogra: did you see silbs' response re the artwork? 01:30 JaneW great, is there a date for flight 4 yet? 01:30 ogra i only have to finish my goals, am waiting for a initramfs patch that infinity wants to make and a patch to gdm seb128 needs to review === lucasvo1 [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting  01:31 ogra i guess flight4 might be past the sprint 01:31 ogra i doubt Kamion wants to do only CD work during the sprint === hannes_ [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:34 JaneW ogra: no I expect it will be week after next 01:34 JaneW when is the next freeze date? 01:34 ogra one week after the sprint iirc 01:34 JaneW Feb 23 01:34 kjcole ogra: I forget: Is sobby mature enough to go along with gobby? 01:34 JaneW Feature Freeze 01:35 JaneW wtf is sobby? 01:35 ogra kjcole, sobby is in universe :/ 01:35 JaneW ogra battled to get gobby in, pitti was initially not happy with it. 01:35 ogra its not really matureds 01:35 kjcole JaneW a stand-alone server for gobby 01:35 JaneW kjcole: oic 01:35 ogra JaneW, sobby is cool, but had only its first release ... === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:36 ogra its a bit young yet 01:36 JaneW ogra: re artwork 01:36 ogra yup 01:36 flint_ kjcole, you got sobby running eh? 01:36 mhz ogra: will an LMS be included ready to use ? 01:36 JaneW if we only get one set of prof work can we use that for the default install? 01:36 ogra i would like to propose to go with mid age rather than young age as default 01:36 JaneW ogra: we will then need to use community work for other optional looks 01:36 ogra but yes, we can ... 01:36 JaneW ogra: ok, does everyone agree with that? 01:37 kjcole flint_ tried it out ONCE and it worked okay for the few minutes of testing... 01:37 JaneW go for a default install aimed at 10-16 year olds 01:37 JaneW instead of the younger crowd 01:37 JaneW ? 01:37 mhz JaneW: i do 01:37 ogra kjcole, look at it with 20 ppl logged in ... 01:37 JaneW the 3rd option will just be very plain, so shouldn;t take much 01:37 ogra JaneW, yup 01:37 flint_ JaneW, the skin of this has always been your call. 01:38 ogra i'd like to be able to use something from the community for the young ones ... 01:38 kjcole ogra: +1 re: mid-range 01:38 ogra having a bit freedom there would be nicer 01:38 flint_ ogra, what about a menu choice of skin in flight 4? 01:38 JaneW flint_: not really, in the first release I was applying the decisions from the summit, with a good dose of personal preference admittedly ;) 01:38 JaneW ok then we need to doc this change 01:38 ogra flint_, already there through dpkg-reconfigure 01:39 JaneW we have it published that the default is the younger skin 01:39 ogra flint_, i'm just missing skins :) 01:39 flint_ JaneW, If you do not continue to lead the art aspect, we will have nothing to annoy you about... :^) 01:39 ogra so all you select looks the same 01:39 JaneW :P 01:39 JaneW ogra: so the splash screens will all be the same right> 01:39 JaneW ? 01:39 mhz JaneW: so, default = 10 -> 16 y.o ? 01:39 JaneW just wall papper and fonts and icons will vary? 01:40 JaneW mhz: it seems so yes. 01:40 ogra JaneW, we can still decide that later in case we get some community contributions 01:40 ogra artwork freeze is far in the future 01:40 JaneW ogra: will management agree? I don;t want a ton of bricks dropped on me again ;) 01:40 ogra (UI freeze) 01:40 JaneW ogra: I will need to rally for them 01:40 ogra we have still time to discuss that 01:41 mhz JaneW: and slib willprovide what? 01:41 ogra i'll answer the artwork thread today 01:41 JaneW silbs will proved one set of art work, not 3 01:41 mhz ooops, rephrase, and what would slib provide then? 01:41 JaneW so it;s up to us to arrnage the rest 01:41 ogra the default artwork 01:41 JaneW and the prof work will be used for the default install 01:41 kjcole (I think I can speak for jelkner as a +1 on artwork scaled to an older audience as well. Not that as a high school teacher he has a bias or anything... ;-)) 01:41 mhz yeah but wich age? or you mean 10 to 16 year olds 01:41 mhz ? 01:42 flint_ JaneW, since when are you so worried about management? ticking off mdz is a shared pleasure. 01:42 JaneW flint_: yeah but I 01:42 JaneW 'll be seeing him next week, so I'm scared ;) 01:42 ogra flint_, but you never gain what you want ... 01:43 ogra flint_, so its just a waste of energy :) 01:43 ogra (ticking off mdz i mean) 01:43 flint_ ogra, na, you need to take this in a life-context, all I really enjoy is making matt think! 01:43 ogra flint_, at 4am in the morning ? === Hirion [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:44 flint_ ogra, 04:30 and he was awake... 01:44 ogra i woulddnt expect anyone to *think* at this time 01:44 flint_ you do not know matt. he was using that as a pretext. 01:44 JaneW ok what else is on the agenda? 01:44 mhz JaneW: so, slib will provide 10 -16 ? 01:45 flint_ anyway, the art thing is a good idea. 01:45 JaneW mhz: I need to follow up with her again 01:45 ogra me too 01:45 mhz ooh, okis 01:45 JaneW mhz: I previously communicated that 6-10 would be the default install 01:45 mhz hehehe 01:45 ogra i'm still lagging behind with mail 01:45 flint_ JaneW, who or what is slib? 01:45 JaneW mhz: we decided to change that today 01:45 JaneW mhz: so we need to document and communicate that. 01:45 ogra i think we grew up a bit and the artwork should reflect that :) 01:46 JaneW ogra: ok 01:46 JaneW ogra: and gartoon? 01:46 ogra for 0-6 01:46 JaneW ogra: the rest of the look and feel? 01:46 mhz ogra: i totally agree 01:46 ogra a community wallpaper for 0-6 is easy to grab from a.u.c 01:46 ogra i'm uncertain about 10-X 01:47 JaneW ok, I'll mail the powers that be, I'd like to see the font and icon choices etc to see the new look 01:47 mhz JaneW: ogra: my art boys have not given priority to edubunut artwork because they noticed default won't be ours, so they want on vacation until nextweek ,afaik :( 01:47 ogra i think font is up to us ... and for the older ages we should just go with the default icons ... 01:48 JaneW mhz: :( understandable... 01:48 mhz JaneW: understandable but I dont like it 01:48 JaneW ppl like the current font and icons in my experience btw... 01:49 ogra so lets probably keep the icons and font for 6-10 as well 01:49 mhz JaneW: however, I had done some little stuff for a grown-up dark theme ;) (so at least, wallpaper and GTK theme is ready) 01:49 ogra and just change the wallpaper between these two ... 01:49 ogra but that still leaves open 10-X 01:50 JaneW ogra: I suspect we'll have to have a couple of options and display them to management, and let them make the final call. 01:50 flint_ ogra, I personally fee that an X rates theme will have little classroom use :^) 01:50 ogra flint_, come on, thats for the grown ups :) 01:51 flint_ ogra, here is where you may have issue with management. 01:51 ogra JaneW, fine with me 01:51 ogra flint_, naah, we have so beatiful nekkid peoplle pics we could use 01:52 ogra ;) 01:52 flint_ seriously, stick to your guns and make management put resources into the mechanisim of this product. do not work so hard on the show-y outside as an issue. 01:52 mhz JaneW: ogra: just let me know if the 'options-to-show' are needed and I will move the earth to get it done very quickly 01:53 ogra flint_, in any case the screenshots are what people look at 01:53 flint_ ogra, I know, it is just not what I see... 01:55 JaneW mhz: options-to-show? 01:55 ogra JaneW, community artwork for inclusion 01:56 mhz JaneW: I thought you wanted to discuss this with management 01:56 mhz and if needed community artwork, I could surely put some nice pressure on it 01:56 flint_ mhz, one of my favorite reasons for calling folks at odd hours is that "management" should be here or it should be us! 01:57 mhz hehehe, :) 01:57 JaneW we still have http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ for community art work submissions 01:57 JaneW please use it 01:57 mhz in case someone needs daaarrrkk GTK -> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/EdubuntuRelatedPhotos 01:58 flint_ this "management" issue is the major strutural flaw in edubuntu, and someone should communicate it eh Jane? 01:58 JaneW mhz: I am pretty sure we will need community work, we have been told we only get one set of prof work, and I repleid saying we'd need to use community stuff for the rest 01:58 JaneW I am assuming 'silence gives consent' 01:58 mhz JaneW: lol! I love your idea 01:58 ogra flint_, management issue ? 01:59 JaneW mhz: wow - why so dark? 01:59 JaneW mhz: could be good for the plain one that was requested 01:59 mhz JaneW: because I have intolerance to light 01:59 JaneW mhz: more terminal like and less distracting 01:59 JaneW mhz: oic 01:59 mhz and because I love terminal looks :D 01:59 flint_ ogra, later. 02:00 JaneW ok our time is up 02:00 JaneW are we done? 02:00 mhz JaneW: I was making a greyish one (kind of metalic g4 powerbook) but ended up with black :P 02:00 JaneW so do we have no voluntary scribe? 02:00 JaneW mhz: grey could be nice 02:00 mhz scribe? 02:00 JaneW mhz: minute taker 02:01 JaneW mhz: person to document the meeting decisions and actions 02:01 mhz JaneW: yeah, the idea was grey-water-metallic 02:01 mhz JaneW: how soon do you need the minutes of the meetings? 02:01 JaneW mhz: asap, but really we just need them done 02:01 flint_ mhz, interesting stuff Mauricio, I gotta stick with the janester here, can you turn it up to say, grey? 02:02 JaneW I was doing them after the meeting each week, but I just never get around to doing them anymore 02:02 JaneW mhz: ideally within a day of the meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089E25B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:02 JaneW mhz: in point form would be fine 02:02 mhz JaneW: if it is ok, I can have them done as soon as I finish my 3 letters and provide breakfast to family (total 4 hours) 02:02 JaneW mhz: perfect! 02:02 ogra_ grumble 02:02 JaneW mhz: you really are a star 02:03 mhz JaneW: then we'll have those minutes today before 5 hours === JaneW hugs mhz 02:03 ogra mhz, btw, its caller 6.04, not 6.4 02:03 flint_ JaneW, this thing with Mauricio is a good thing. 02:03 mhz JaneW: not a star, just a guy still wanting to try out your cakes :D 02:03 ogra *called 02:03 mhz ogra: duh! yeah! food point 02:03 mhz good 02:03 ogra :) 02:04 mhz flint_: grey, sure! that was gonna be it until I thought people would not use such a plain dark thing :) 02:04 kjcole (mhz, freudian slip "food point" with all that talk about breakfast and cakes.) 02:05 mhz yup, lol! 02:05 flint_ mhz, did you get an account on the docbox 02:05 mhz well, I have to run to provide breakfast before you get evening news saying "young very handsome chubby chilean died this morning..." 02:06 mhz flint_: dont remember.. I have been very bussy trying to get sponsors for Ubuntu Tour in LA 02:06 mhz_food I'll keep this open for 'minutes' purposes 02:07 mhz_food See ya all later, alegators! 02:07 kjcole I plan to write up something of a "best practices" for bzr (as gleaned from talks with ogra, jblack and lifeless) and put them in both the wiki and docbox. 02:07 flint_ kjcole, I think we will serve mhz up on the server eh? === Vince [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 02:07 flint_ as they say at Gallaudet, as Kevin has taught me, breakfast awaits stop keying, stop keying := sksk 02:07 JaneW mhz_food: hehehe 02:07 flint_ bye all sksk 02:08 kjcole later flint sksk 02:08 ogra kjcole, according to a mail from sabdfl we'll have the supermirror soon === JaneW must go 02:08 kjcole ogra, yeah I saw that e-mail and sent it to flint and a few others. 02:08 ogra great 02:09 kjcole ogra, but what I meant was the ideas of people should expect someone central to pull / merge, rather than each of them trying to push to the central repository. 02:10 kjcole Time for me to run... as usual. Ta-ta. 02:12 lucasvo ogra: what means "soon"? 02:12 lucasvo :p 02:12 lucasvo when will the supermirror be available? 02:13 ogra no idea, the code snippets are there 02:13 lucasvo so it will be integrated into launchpad? 02:13 ogra but the launcpad team is busy with changing the build environment from buildds to launchpad .. 02:13 ogra it will be the core of launchpad, yes 02:14 lucasvo ok