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Meeting February 1, 2006
01:10 flint JaneW, ogra, you folks back from lunch? 01:11 dholbach flint: not lunched yet. 01:11 jelkner Are we meeting this morning? 01:11 dholbach ogra went out for a smoke 01:12 flint well, I suppose we are...Jeff. 01:12 jelkner I only have 15 more minutes, if we don't start soon, I'll miss it 01:12 flint dholbach, of course, I should join him... 01:12 spacey dholbach, how is it going there? 01:13 flint jelkner, you could do a doc report and then go tame the screaming kids... :^) 01:13 dholbach spacey: fine, apart from everybody being ill :) 01:13 jelkner certainly 01:13 jelkner kevin and i got together last sunday 01:14 jelkner we have updated the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook 01:14 spacey dholbach, oh:/ that sucks 01:14 flint spacey, sorry about the sick part. the flu? 01:14 spacey flint, i'm not sick :p 01:14 dholbach Yep. 01:14 flint jelkner, strong opening, this is good stuff, what else? 01:14 jelkner anyone interested in contributing to the cookbook, could choose their favorite "recipe" and write it up... 01:15 spacey dholbach, contanmination sprint 01:15 spacey :P 01:15 dholbach gar! :) 01:15 jelkner we will be meeting again next Sunday to outline which recipies we think are essential. 01:15 flint spacey, atta boy! :^) 01:15 jelkner that's it for our report. 01:15 jelkner questions? 01:15 spacey jelkner, where is a list of the recipies? 01:16 flint I like what I see on your web site Jeff. 01:16 jelkner spacey: we will be working on that next sunday 01:16 jelkner we don't have them yet 01:16 jelkner next week we will === ealden [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:16 flint Let me think of a softball question like they would ask Bush at a news conference... 01:16 spacey jelkner, if you have a list of that, i might have time to write a few 01:17 jelkner spacey: great! 01:17 jelkner ok, gotta run... 01:18 flint ...that was painless... 01:19 JaneW hello :/ 01:19 flint JaneW, you just missed jeff... 01:19 JaneW yeah sorry 01:20 JaneW we are at the DistroSprintDeathPlague 01:20 flint he actually did a very coherant doc report... 01:20 flint the what? 01:20 JaneW I am on line so I'll scroll back and catch up 01:20 JaneW well 9 of the 16 ppl here are down with a nasty bug 01:20 JaneW the rest are waiting with bated breath to see if we are going to die too 01:21 sivang JaneW: oh my god, waht seems to be the bug? 01:21 ogra nobody has grown wings, so it might not be bird flu 01:21 JaneW sivang: fever, headache, vomitting, diarroea - you get the idea 01:22 JaneW ogra: got time for a quick tech update? 01:22 ogra hmpf ... 01:22 JaneW careful I can throw a danish at you ;) 01:22 ogra you got that in the sprint update already ... 01:22 ogra there is not much to add, i could copy and paste though 01:22 flint ogra, did you enjoy the cigarette with coffee? 01:23 ogra flint, which of the 10 i head already 01:23 sivang JaneW: lol 01:23 ogra (smoking apparently prevents me from getting ill) 01:23 flint the best times are smoking... === jsgotangco [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:24 ogra so tech update.... seeing that i get ltsp in shape with all the functions we need before feture freeze 01:24 ogra we found an evil bug with the system clock i should solve currently instead of chatting ... 01:24 simira JaneW: are you all right? And how come you speak Danish? Har du noen gang boet i Danmark? 01:24 JaneW ogra: yeah cut and paste for those that didn;t read seems we need ntpdate to run on the client and a ntp server on 01:25 ogra the ltsp server, else udev cant create devices if the hardware clock is jfar out of sync 01:25 jsgotangco edubuntu meeting? 01:25 sivang jsgotangco: seems so :) 01:25 JaneW simira: I am ok I think , feeling a bit spaced out though. I mean a Danish PASTRY though 01:25 simira hehe, ok === sivang visualized that, err 01:25 ogra * LTSP work included sanitizing all the LTSP breakage which occurred due 01:25 ogra to changes in the underlying Dapper architecture - this is now fixed and 01:25 ogra running again. 01:25 ogra * Work was done on Xauthority handling on LTSP to allow secure 01:25 ogra authentication of thin clients to the Edubuntu server. 01:25 ogra * Thin Client Low Memory Usage: netboot mode in initramfs tools added 01:25 ogra and integrated to LTSP - still to be tested and uploaded. 01:25 ogra * Reverted the change of the SIaddr that breaks the LTSP booting with 01:26 jsgotangco oh great i got to attend one again =) 01:26 ogra DHCPD. This prevents breakage on upgrades of LTSP set-ups. 01:26 JaneW jsgotangco: :) wb 01:26 ogra but currently that time bug has the highes prio, since i need to work with the people that are left before they also fall dead 01:27 flint from sprint to sick bed :^) 01:27 jsgotangco ogra, how is amd64? 01:27 ogra jsgotangco, works fine === jsgotangco would like to test an amd daily in a few days 01:28 ogra i havent gotten around to set the default chroot creation in the installer to i386 yet 01:28 ogra which i think makes sense ... but i dnot know if its possible to do for just oine arch === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Verlassend"] 01:29 JaneW who is in charge of edubuntu documentation for dapper, over and above the cookbook? jsgotangco ? 01:29 ogra jsgotangco, wait some days before testing, currently the ltsp client is broken ... the next uploads will fix this 01:29 ogra JaneW, still jelkner and kjcole JaneW, what jeff reported on is: 01:29 flint https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook it is a start. 01:29 jsgotangco JaneW, what needs to be updated? i still have my olld sources 01:30 ogra jsgotangco, probably the mizilla page ... 01:30 jsgotangco JaneW, as for cookbook, i have no relationship to it for dapper 01:30 ogra *mozilla 01:30 jsgotangco ok 01:30 jsgotangco we made a shorter one 01:30 jsgotangco i'll update 01:30 JaneW Let me rephrase... who is in charge of edubuntu documentation for dapper, other than the cookbook? 01:30 JaneW about edubuntu and release notes etc 01:30 jsgotangco i can only think of releasenotes and about 01:31 JaneW ditto 01:31 jsgotangco i'll take charge of that then 01:31 spacey if there are several parts of documentation that are missing out, i don't might writing it up 01:31 JaneW jsgotangco: cool thanks, will you have time? 01:31 jsgotangco JaneW, yes 01:31 JaneW jsgotangco: have you worked with that pdf guy yet? 01:31 JaneW spacey, great thanks please co-ord with jsgotangco 01:31 jsgotangco JaneW, he hasn't been communicating, i'll bug him 01:31 JaneW jsgotangco: hmmm... 01:32 jsgotangco JaneW, its a bit too late for dapper, but we can make a plan for it 01:32 jsgotangco DITA is the future 01:32 flint JaneW, is the plan that all docs be in pdf? 01:33 flint JaneW, outside of the cookbook I mean. 01:33 JaneW flint: I am not clear on the plan jsgotangco would know more 01:33 jsgotangco flint, this is more of a toolchain project rather than edubuntu specific === jsgotangco digs for old emails 01:34 flint JaneW, you asked about the "pdf guy" what a great name! :^) 01:34 flint gotcha Jane 01:34 JaneW well his name is Mark Johnson, know that I think about it 01:35 flint jsgotangco, I am slow, what is DITA? === Hirion [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:35 flint JaneW, I think he should change his name... Mark Johnson is pretty plain. chicks dig "the pdf guy"... 01:36 JaneW flint: agreed 01:36 flint orga would the brower in edubuntu default to the doc pages? 01:37 ogra flint, it will default to the about page 01:37 ogra (which might contain links to the docs) 01:37 jsgotangco flint, Darwin Information Typing Architecture 01:37 flint indeed... the about page could be customized to link to these very docs... 01:37 jsgotangco (DITA XML) 01:38 flint jsgotangco, thank you, a morning without a new acronym is like a morning without coffee...like this morning...argh! jsgotangco, the trick with the docs is how to get the average 01:39 flint install to read them. when I installed, the first thing I did was click on that silly fox. 01:39 flint JaneW, I LIKE the fox :^) 01:40 JaneW ok any more edubuntu business? 01:40 JaneW highvoltage: ? 01:40 flint anyway ollie how hard set is the html for that page? 01:40 JaneW you said you wanted to discuss web stuff today? 01:41 JaneW also I have been chatting with hno73 and he supports the idea of MOIN for edubuntu website 01:41 JaneW mhz around? 01:42 jsgotangco cool 01:42 highvoltage sorry, i'm here, but i'm also not 01:43 highvoltage JaneW: hi 01:44 flint hi jonathan! 01:44 highvoltage hi mr flint! 01:44 highvoltage flint: how's the cookbook? 01:45 flint there is progress: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook 01:45 flint highvoltage, it is far from being hot and on the table :^) 01:46 flint I would say they are cutting up the carrots and looking for the soup pot. 01:46 highvoltage :) 01:46 flint I personally have found the sherry :^) 01:46 JaneW highvoltage: Henrik supports the idea of using MOIN instead of drupal for the site... === JaneW drank maple whiskey last night... 01:47 highvoltage JaneW: i'm actually very ambivilant between the two, both are good. === JaneW congratualted flint for getting Jonathan right ;) 01:47 highvoltage flint: yes, thank you! 01:47 JaneW highvoltage: the ubuntu site is moin now and it looks good 01:47 flint JaneW, I have to go and check EVERY TIME, but you are welcome!!! 01:47 JaneW highvoltage: it may make sense to standardise, and unify to a degree 01:48 highvoltage it's less work too :) 01:48 highvoltage it's just philip who feels really, really strong that it should be drupal JaneW, in this case I really feel that it is not about the 01:48 flint tool. lets get something out there and deal tools on the back end. 01:48 highvoltage and he had lots of ideas which he says depends more or less on it. 01:48 highvoltage but i'm sure you could get those tools in moin with some work too highvoltage, Jonathan I just think of the text processing fun one 01:50 flint could have cross converting between all these damn tools (choy curl :^) 01:50 flint I meant "holy curl" 01:50 highvoltage yes, there's that too 01:51 jsgotangco ok i've seeded initial Edubuntu 6.04 docs (not cookbook) in svn 01:51 flint I have played with moin and drupal, and a few others. all can handle content. as we say in cookbook land, "where is the beef?" 01:51 ogra great 01:52 JaneW highvoltage: how involved is phillip now? 01:52 JaneW flint: look at www.ubuntu.com - like what you see? = moin 01:52 flint jsgotangco, for the svn crippled, how do I get to them? we take this offline? 01:52 highvoltage JaneW: he's gone a bit quiet, i think mainly because of the drupal stuff, i think he likes workign with drupal a lot, somehow 01:53 highvoltage if we stick with moin, i can at least get the translators going on the web content. 01:53 highvoltage there's about 7 people wanting to translate the edubuntu site into different languages. 01:53 jsgotangco flint, you grab it via svn but its in docbook source...i'll give you the link later 01:53 highvoltage (each a different one) JaneW, no need to sell any tool... all I know is that I have to 01:53 flint register again and again because none of the tools allow cross passwords! 01:53 sivang JaneW: you mean, wiki.ubuntu.com ? 01:54 JaneW sivang: both 01:54 sivang JaneW: AFAIK this is Plone at the front 01:54 ogra we dont use plone since breezy anymore 01:54 sivang ah , I didn't know plone was moved out from the main site. 01:54 JaneW sivang: no it's not, it was migrated, it's moin now 01:54 ogra thats why plone is in universe ;) === JaneW has a login now *efg* 01:54 sivang ogra: heh 01:55 jsgotangco its moin, we've been doing in the OpenCD project too 01:55 jsgotangco the tabs are moin 01:57 flint JaneW, I do know you are hell on wheels with the moin meta-language for links and etc... :^) 01:58 JaneW well Hendrik made a helpful help page with tips as well, so I can learn more now 01:58 JaneW highvoltage: anyway think about it, but it's your call in the end, I just rem there were security concerns about drupal. 01:58 JaneW jsgotangco: indeed 01:58 flint ogra, my remaining question is how hard set is the "about page"? 01:59 JaneW pity mhz is not here, he touts moin every chance he gets 01:59 ogra flint, its the default page, it gets set by the artwork page 01:59 ogra s/page/package/ 01:59 flint JaneW, the default page of the browser is where the results of our document labor end up. 02:00 flint na it gets set up in the profile thingy in firefox... 02:00 ogra firefox can only point to one page that is the same location for ubuntu, edubuntu and kubuntu ... 02:00 ogra the different artwork packages replace this file ... 02:00 flint it is not a url at first ollie it is a file 02:00 ogra its a file:/// url 02:00 flint ok gotcha... 02:00 jsgotangco flint, we'd like to put it on docfreeze too to open up for translations (that's why we'd love to do xml) 02:01 ogra flint, which is hardcoded in firefox 02:01 flint ogra, am I more nuts than usual to want to find the docs when I open the browser? 02:02 ogra flint, as i said, there should be no probelm to add links to that page 02:02 jsgotangco flint, do you want to add the cookbook in the distro? 02:02 ogra (Unote that file:/// can also be a link) 02:02 flint ogra, there is not enough space on the CD for the cookbook. 02:02 ogra jsgotangco, i doubt that will be ready in time for being packaged in dapper 02:02 jsgotangco i agree 02:03 flint ogra, I think the docs that Jsgotangco is cooking could open as links on the default browser page 02:03 ogra flint, i'd love to drop all KDE stuff to make space available ;) 02:03 ogra (but we're lacking replacements yet) 02:03 flint ogra, that was harsh.... 02:04 ogra flint, it takes a huge amount of space to hold all the dependencys for kdeedu on the cd 02:04 jsgotangco yeah 02:04 flint that kevin, he was there all the time! 02:05 flint anyway, I gotta get coffee. excellent conspiracy this morning. Thanks!!!! 02:05 flint sksk === flint [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 02:05 JaneW sorry that was a bit disjointed folks 02:06 JaneW we are multitasking here and a bit disease infected. 02:06 JaneW thanks for the cook book work and updates 02:06 JaneW same time, same place next week, and hopefully we'll have good progress by then :) 02:06 JaneW I may have some exciting news to share then too. 02:07 jsgotangco i still havent seen any cookbook source :/ 02:11 highvoltage JaneW: if majority is happy with moin, then so am i 02:11 JaneW it's lunch time - over and out 02:12 highvoltage btw 02:12 highvoltage here's a very, very early version of the troubleshooter i talked about at the summit: 02:12 highvoltage http://jonathancarter.co.za/projects/xola/index.py 02:13 highvoltage it's layout is awkward and it's still very strange, but it should give you a vague idea of where it might be going to 02:15 jsgotangco wow 02:16 jsgotangco that is so cool 02:16 highvoltage thanks :) long term goal is to have a nice wiki-style editor for all the 02:17 highvoltage options, so that the help desk of who-ever is deploying the installations can easily edit the entire thing. 02:17 jsgotangco yes that would be really cool 02:17 jsgotangco hrmmm 02:17 jsgotangco this could be great to adapt for ubuntu itself 02:17 jsgotangco make it a wee bit smaller i guess 02:17 highvoltage yeah. 02:17 jsgotangco wonder if this can run off yelp 02:18 highvoltage it's probably going to become smaller anyway, those penguins are expensive on screen space. 02:18 jsgotangco do you want to try this out on Yelp? 02:19 highvoltage i would if i had the time, i think mdke suggested the same 02:19 highvoltage thign 02:19 highvoltage how would this work with yelp? 02:19 jsgotangco yelp can render html 02:19 jsgotangco but that's static 02:19 jsgotangco this is a python script 02:19 jsgotangco hrmm 02:21 highvoltage this python script is still very static 02:21 highvoltage i plan to have the data in a sqlite database later on 02:21 jsgotangco hmm can i take a peek? 02:21 jsgotangco i can try it over the weekend 02:21 highvoltage of course, don't expect much though 02:22 jsgotangco its ok 02:22 highvoltage can i tar it up and e-mail it to you? 02:22 jsgotangco yes thanks 02:22 highvoltage it's less than 800k, including images 02:22 jsgotangco alright 02:22 highvoltage email@example.com? 02:22 jsgotangco yeah