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Meeting February 15, 2006
01:01 JaneW hi all 01:02 pips1 hi === flint [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:02 JaneW hi pips1 ltns 01:02 JaneW hi flint 01:02 jsgotangco *bamf* 01:02 flint good morning campers!!!! 01:02 flint JaneW, good morning my dear! 01:02 JaneW hi jsgotangco 01:03 JaneW ogra: ping 01:03 flint JaneW, I actually have the lab running here finally. 01:03 fabbione hey flint ! 01:03 pips1 JaneW, I've been very busy with my day job 01:03 flint fabbione, my god it's the Italian Stallion!!!! 01:03 fabbione ahah 01:03 jsgotangco lol 01:03 jsgotangco isn't that Rocky? 01:03 JaneW flint: excellent 01:04 fabbione man.. i can't hide anywhere 01:04 JaneW hi fabbione === _mvo_ [n=egon@pD951DCD8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:04 pips1 JaneW, lot's of overtime 01:04 fabbione hey Jane 01:04 JaneW pips1: ahh :/ 01:04 flint fabbione, this is like a visit from the pope, Fabio you are most Welcome! 01:04 ogra moin 01:04 JaneW where's ogra? 01:04 ogra :P 01:04 jsgotangco jeezz 01:04 JaneW there he is 01:04 JaneW hi Oli 01:04 fabbione flint: thanks :) 01:04 ogra ok, tech update: 01:04 ogra fixed a lot of smaller ltsp bugs, thin-client-faster startup about to be finished (should be done tomorrow) 01:04 ogra merged a lot of debian fixes for our ltsp package (especially important for lower memeory clients). the bug that caused icon themes, wallpapers and themes to be broken if you were logged in with 01:04 ogra the same user twice is fixed, so internet cafes and schools that want to use only one account on evey thin client will be much happier (fix is in seb128's hands, to be uploaded). 01:04 ogra gdm theme handling was fixed so the customization doesnt break theme handling anymore (important for edubuntu-artwork) 01:04 ogra low memory spec fot ltsp should be finished before next meeting 01:05 JaneW yes ogra is first, and let's behave today === dsaa [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:05 JaneW ogra: sounds good 01:05 ogra pre flight 4 testing is still not started ... 01:05 JaneW how much more to do before FF next thurs? 01:05 ogra we're having small problemns with the NEW process in soyuz that breaks the CDs 01:06 JaneW ogra: what's holding flight 4 up? 01:06 JaneW oic 01:06 ogra if thats done, we can start the first flight4 tests 01:06 JaneW how serious is it? 01:06 JaneW cause for mild panic? 01:06 jsgotangco builds 01:06 flint ogra, you were busy... we got a good image but soyuz cannot generate it? 01:06 ogra its serious for the whole distro, not only for us ... i hope thats fixed soon 01:06 JaneW agreed 01:06 ogra flint, we dont 01:07 ogra flint, the image is missing packages that are stuck in the NEW queue 01:07 JaneW ogra: is there an eta on a fix yet? 01:07 ogra and there are problems to process that easily ... 01:07 flint ogra, gotcha... I finally get off my ass and get the lab in and the distro breaks (I am a most bitter old man :^) 01:07 JaneW is Kamion still estimating THIS week? 01:07 ogra a paste from the canonical channel: 01:07 ogra <silbs> March 2006, Linux Journal (the US one) has a 3/4 page on Edubuntu by Doc Searls. Title is "Edubuntucation" 01:07 ogra fyi 01:07 ogra ! 01:07 ogra :) 01:08 jsgotangco Doc Searls! === jelkner [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:08 JaneW ogra: awesome we must get a copy 01:08 jsgotangco god that is good 01:08 ogra JaneW, i think so 01:08 jsgotangco Doc Searls! 01:08 flint yea buddy that is good ink! 01:08 ogra jsgotangco, depends what he writes :P 01:08 jsgotangco still 01:08 jsgotangco Doc Searls! 01:08 jsgotangco heh 01:08 ogra JaneW, thats all from my side for today === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:09 JaneW ogra: i created https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight4Announcement 01:09 JaneW ogra: ready for you to fill in with cool features etc 01:09 ogra yup, saw it in #edubuntu 01:09 jsgotangco i saw it on email too 01:09 mhz re 01:09 ogra i'll do ... let me finish my fater startup spec first :) 01:09 JaneW think we need a grpahical page like ubuntu has? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4 01:09 mhz wow, JaneW indeed that Ubuntu dapper announcement looks very cool 01:10 ogra JaneW, urgh ... thats a day work or even more ... 01:10 flint janew, does the flight 4 page have an iso behind it now? or is this for the future. 01:10 ogra taking all these screenshots and make them ready takes a lot of time 01:10 jsgotangco future 01:10 JaneW ogra: also are you updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu? 01:10 ogra and we dont have a new theme yet 01:11 ogra JaneW, nope, not yet ... 01:11 JaneW ogra: nod, that's why I am asking... 01:11 flint JaneW, you probably remember the "harry potter" angle... 01:11 JaneW ogra: think it's worth the effort yet, esp without a new theme and look yet? 01:11 ogra i'm very busy with coding and wouldnt like to be distracted by paperwork if possible ... 01:12 ogra i dont want to risk my gaols ... 01:12 JaneW ogra: understood.... here is your chance to trawl for help... 01:12 JaneW *HINT HINT* === jsgotangco is away 01:12 ogra haha 01:12 mhz JaneW: I'd gladly do it but It wont be possible for me until I get to put my hands on that lab i told you (1 more week at least) 01:13 ogra flint, what about you, you are eager to test, would you mind making a little testplan ? 01:13 ogra https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu 01:13 mhz JaneW: I have not tried dapper yet :( 01:13 flint JaneW, hey, I am getting a lab together. let me talk this offline with the Janester... 01:13 ogra cool :) 01:14 JaneW I am still a little scared of Dapper 01:14 flint ogra, ok I see a test plan, and a good one. who did this? 01:14 JaneW it didn;t pass the first Jane test cycle yet... 01:14 ogra flint, dholbach 01:14 jsgotangco this was taken from dholbach's originail test plan 01:14 flint ogra, this is really fine. 01:14 ogra yup :) 01:15 jsgotangco ok === jsgotangco waits for his turn 01:15 JaneW ogra / flint: I think we just need to test the tesp plan and see if it needs any amendments 01:16 JaneW ogra: will you keep us informed on flight CD status and let us know when the announcement needs to be ready? 01:16 flint JaneW, put testing on the agenda. I agree we need to walk this space... 01:16 ogra JaneW, absolutely 01:16 JaneW and we need to list of cool new features, known issues and bugs etc 01:16 ogra JaneW, lets have it prepared for the weekend ... 01:16 Kinnison ogra: which 'NEW' bug is this? 01:16 JaneW ogra: agreed 01:17 JaneW ok well then tech discussion done. 01:17 ogra Kinnison, we cant process NEW apparently ... Kamion knows more ... 01:17 JaneW next up Docs 01:17 JaneW jsgotangco: you first 01:17 jsgotangco cool 01:17 jsgotangco i've uploaded new docs and should be available at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ 01:17 jsgotangco but i forgot to upload the makescript so wait for a few hours 01:18 jsgotangco and i've been testing the amd64 builds hoping for a working system but alas 01:18 jsgotangco ... 01:18 jsgotangco so i'll just depend on the live workstation builds for the meantime 01:18 flint jsgotangco, any paticular place on http://doc.ubuntu.com/? 01:19 jsgotangco i've also started a small draft for a quickguide for end users intead of admins of the system 01:19 JaneW jsgotangco: as you mentioned to me earlier? 01:19 jsgotangco yes 01:19 jsgotangco its for end users who log into as clients 01:19 flint jsgotangco, this is a good thing. 01:19 JaneW jsgotangco: what format will the quick guide be? 01:19 JaneW jsgotangco: lovely :)) 01:19 jsgotangco instead of showing thema ll the usual ubuntu stuff 01:20 jsgotangco we'll focus on the core desktop apps that they can use 01:20 jsgotangco kedu for instance === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:20 jsgotangco the screenshots are not a problem i'm very much used to this 01:20 jsgotangco i just need a working system so i'll probably settle for an i386 as long as it works 01:21 jsgotangco me and mhz talked about this in passing earlier 01:21 flint jsgotangco, where are you? maybe we can find a donation. 01:21 jsgotangco we might make a TOC on the wiki 01:21 JaneW jsgotangco: that's great, cos many people don;t know/care about the technical stuff, they just wanna know what end user stuff they can DO with it 01:21 JaneW I like the idea a LOT 01:21 jsgotangco flint, i'm in +8 (Manila) 01:22 mhz jsgotangco: I already have the junior part 90% ready with Gcompris (in spanish) 01:22 jsgotangco it won't take that much time on my side and workable on a weekend 01:22 JaneW mhz is this similar to what you spoke to me about before? 01:22 flint jsgotangco, ok how do I ship a computer to you? also do you need the monitor? 01:22 mhz JaneW: before? 01:22 ogra jsgotangco, i'll look up the last working liveCD for you ... there you can make screenshots .. 01:22 jsgotangco flint, let's discuss that later 01:22 JaneW mhz: the spanish docs 01:23 flint jsgotangco, email me firstname.lastname@example.org 01:23 pips1 jsgotangco, I have a working AMD64 edubuntu dapper... yours is broken? oh, you need the hardware ?! 01:23 jsgotangco the good thing is that we (docteam) already have good fondation templates 01:23 mhz JaneW: ohh, 2 weeks ago,, yes. And we'll put some parts together with jsgotangco (me has to translate them now :D ) 01:23 jsgotangco pips1, heh i have 3 amd64 machines here 01:23 JaneW mhz: cool 01:23 ogra pips1, i'm fine, but i dont have time to make screenshots currently 01:23 jsgotangco i can do the shots 01:23 ogra pips1, jsgotangco has no working installation 01:23 jsgotangco i can just update this dapper too 01:23 jsgotangco and grab the apps instead 01:23 JaneW ogra: have we got our 3 themes etc ready? (I mean icons and fonts etc) 01:24 ogra JaneW, not at all ... 01:24 ogra art freeze is still far out 01:24 jsgotangco yeah 01:24 mhz yeah! 01:24 jsgotangco i'll churn out an email this week about this 01:24 ogra JaneW, and i havent anything from silbs yet 01:24 jsgotangco i first have to make a docbook framework then commit 01:24 mhz JaneW: I am very worried about this 01:25 jsgotangco the worst we could do is use the existing human theme 01:25 jsgotangco which isn't bad 01:25 JaneW ogra: I know we don;t have the silbs stuff but aren;t we chosing our own icons and fonts etc again...? 01:25 jsgotangco the docs should build here: 01:25 jsgotangco http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/about-edubuntu/C/index.html 01:25 jsgotangco http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu-releasenotes/C/index.html 01:25 jsgotangco but they'll 404 for now 01:25 JaneW I still have to say I like the current distinct look edubuntu has, I don't think it should be too similar to ubuntu 01:25 jsgotangco give it a few hours 01:26 ogra JaneW, yes, i havent gotten to this yet, the gdm theme breakage and gnome-settings-daemon breakage were more important for themeing yet ... 01:26 JaneW jsgotangco: ta, will you post to #edu too later please? 01:26 jsgotangco yes 01:26 JaneW ogra: do you need someone to look into it? 01:26 jsgotangco when the cron starts to build === Hirion [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:26 ogra JaneW, did you read my report above ? 01:26 ogra JaneW, i fixed it ;) 01:27 JaneW we have some very competant graphic oriented people here 01:27 JaneW ogra: yes I read it 01:27 ogra but that prevented me from doing any other artwork stuff :) 01:27 JaneW ogra: it didn;t talk about the actual themes to be applied.... 01:27 JaneW ogra: sure 01:27 JaneW ogra: I am asking more about the selection now though 01:27 flint ogra ares gratia jane... 01:27 ogra how about a call for submissions to the ML ? 01:28 ogra and we vote for the young and old theme then ... 01:28 ogra (the mid one will be silbs job) 01:28 mhz JaneW: I stopped the theming plans only because there were uncertainties on priorities about artwork and I had to wisely use the resources 01:28 JaneW ogra: agreed 01:28 flint ogra, how "pluggable" are the themes in the code now? 01:29 mhz JaneW: however, I have been working little by little on a XFCE theme for edubuntu highschool 01:29 JaneW ogra: I was just trying to gather if you had all the requirements identified and selected already or if we still need to look and decide etc 01:29 ogra flint, dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork gives you a menu to select the age 01:30 flint ogra so edubuntu-artwork is the selector switch... ok I will screw around with it in breezy... 01:30 ogra JaneW, i havent yet ... i'm focussing on feature freeze, so coding is my highest priority 01:30 JaneW ogra: understood, as it should be 01:30 ogra flint, not much difference yet ... all three themes are the same 01:31 JaneW ok can the rest of you look at other themey kind of things and see if you can find stuff that yells 'edubuntu' and 'professional' ;) 01:31 flint ogra, it is all about the mechanism silly man... :^) 01:31 mhz JaneW: then junior and olds ? 01:31 ogra mhz, yes 01:31 JaneW yes we have junior, senior and plain === poningru [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:31 mhz GTK + icons + backgrounds ? 01:32 flint JaneW, gotta have cooler names than junior, senior and plain!!!! 01:32 JaneW plain is simple and monochrome as possible for people who don't want distractions on the desktop at all 01:32 ogra mhz, no GTK 01:32 pips1 in dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork it uses the terms "primary", "secondary" and "highschool" ... 01:32 ogra mhz, icons, splashscreen and backgrounds 01:32 ogra pips1, i'm open for better naming suggestions 01:32 JaneW we had someone saying he is a teacher and wants his kids to learn and do what they are supposed to and not want to PLAY. 01:32 JaneW pah 01:32 mhz ogra: oh, ok 01:33 flint JaneW, don't go down the road of work and play, not here, not now :^) 01:33 pips1 ogra, JaneW : should it be "junior", "senior" and "plain", then? 01:33 ogra that would also require menu changes we cant do yet 01:33 ogra (play/non play) 01:34 JaneW ok so can everyone have a look at the available options and we can nominate at next week's meeting? 01:34 ogra pips1, sounds good to me ... 01:34 flint ogra, so the doce says primairy, secondary and high school eh? 01:34 pips1 doce, hehe :-) 01:34 JaneW ok do we need to discuss the web and wiki? 01:34 ogra currently, yes ... but thats an interinm anyway ... just to show we *can* distinguish now+ 01:35 JaneW we agreed that we will migrate the HTML pages to moin 01:35 ogra the naming isnt mandatory 01:35 JaneW pips1: did you hear about that?^ 01:35 pips1 JaneW, yeah, I read that you decided on Moin at the last meeting... :-/ 01:35 JaneW we also need some new content and orgnaisation on the wiki and web pages 01:35 JaneW pips1: sorry, but it does makes sense in this case 01:36 pips1 in the absence of the "web team" ;-) 01:36 JaneW many of the articles which are published quote directly from our pages 01:36 JaneW I think it's time we put some new words up there... 01:36 mhz JaneW: and we received a suggestion to have 'front page' showing changes or news so it doesnt look as if we did nothing :) 01:36 pips1 where is highvoltage ? 01:37 JaneW also it will tie in nicely if we relaunch the page with an updated look for the new version too 01:37 mhz and with shots from ...Book 01:37 mhz or Guide 01:37 JaneW mhz: yes, we do need a webmaster to keep the pages fresh and up to date 01:37 pips1 sorry, I am trying to catch up re the website ... 01:37 jsgotangco JaneW, are these pages in a separate server? i thought it was in the same servers as that of ubuntu 01:38 mhz JaneW: we need a 'teacher-users' community 01:38 mhz so they can provide 'weekly news' 01:38 JaneW jsgotangco: I am nt sure where the html pages are now, but the wiki will be on the same as the rest of ubuntu like the wiki afaik 01:38 pips1 I was very busy in the last months with my day job, but this week I started working on the edubuntu website idea again... 01:38 flint mhz, as opposed to what? 01:38 mhz JaneW: otherwise all news willbe 99% IT related from ubuntu === poningru [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:39 JaneW pips1: great, your suggestions where very helpful before 01:39 pips1 I was hoping to touch base with highvoltage today... 01:39 JaneW highvoltage has been helping intermittently, but is also very busy with his day job 01:39 pips1 ah 01:39 flint mhz, teachers-users support and development somewhere else? Like the dining room and the kitchen? promising idea. 01:39 JaneW pips1: me too, not sure where he is 01:39 JaneW pips1: you got his e-mail address? 01:39 pips1 well, I'm actually taking time off work (compensating overtime) now! 01:39 mhz flint: yup, something like that 01:40 JaneW flint: I think we must be careful not to take the analogy too far and become really corny 01:40 pips1 is the decisision about using Moin cast in stone now? 01:40 mhz pips1: so it seems 01:40 JaneW pips1: well we can't keep changing our minds 01:40 JaneW pips1: but we need someone to own and drive it 01:40 flint jane corn on the cob or in a casserole? hehe 01:40 JaneW pips1: I reckon that person gets the strongest vote 01:41 pips1 I wanted to suggest you give me some time, let's say two weeks to get a drupal site running to convince you to go ahead with drupal... what does everybody think? 01:41 JaneW pips1: hno73 likes mojn and the main ubuntu site is running in moin now, so it does make sense 01:41 JaneW pips1: ogra wasn't that happy about drupal security 01:42 ogra JaneW, in fact i dont care if i dont have to maintin it ... 01:42 flint JaneW, .... anyway that was a metaphore not an analogy.... (what a college education will do for you :^) did we not settle this site issue last week? 01:42 JaneW ogra: good attitude! :)) 01:42 ogra i just pointed out that it ends in upgrade hell ... 01:42 mhz pips1: and mhz would get crazy if we get back to drupal proposal after he had accepted Drupal and then got surprised we would use lovely Moin 01:42 pips1 drupal, even though it's php, has a very strong community, good core devs, and hasn't had many vulnerabilities so far... i.e. its track record is better than most php fare... 01:43 ogra i think its up to the guys working with it to decide about the tool ... 01:43 JaneW flint: right it's a metaphor, but I'd argue that it's an analogy too :P 01:43 pips1 ogra, right 01:44 mhz well, I am sure hno73 will go for Moin and I sill stand defending it :D 01:44 JaneW pips1: there was an issue with getting a server to host drupal, and getting our sys admins to find time to do it 01:44 JaneW pips1: moin took that requirement away 01:44 pips1 I understand there are pros and cons about moin vs. drupal but I think ogra and JaneW are right, it comes down to the question who owns and drives it... 01:44 pips1 JaneW, right 01:44 flint pips1, keep in mind that I am a rabid zope freak, (taking a zope 3 course with Richter!) and I keep my passion under control drupal is rightous but they made a call. 01:45 JaneW this was 'resolved' last week 01:45 JaneW however nothing has been done with either yet afaik 01:45 flint I was heartbroken that zope 2 did not make the cut :^) 01:45 JaneW pips1: if you can commit to it I am not opposed to you putting something together which can be voted on 01:46 pips1 flint, zope is cool, but it always depends on what your goals are... :-) 01:46 mhz but, if there is time and willingness isn't better to use time resource in helping with dapper stuff? 01:46 mhz or dapper complements? 01:46 mhz .oO(hmm, maybe not 'complements' but complementary material) 01:47 mhz jsgotangco: Interrogation! 01:47 flint JaneW, the impression I am beginning to get is that you want to use the "gentlemen start you engines" project management approach. If someone does something well you will embrace it. JaneW, yes, ok, I think that's what we should do... I spend the next two weeks with getting a 01:47 pips1 "drupal edubuntu site demo" and then let's vote about it.. if people prefer to go the moin/ubuntu way after that, it's fine with me... 01:48 jsgotangco yes 01:48 JaneW flint: this is a community project (apart from possibly ogra) I can't really make anyone do anything 01:48 flint pips1, i was unserious about zope, as I have no intention of investing any time in developing the site I just want to use it. I am good with the demo idea. 01:48 mhz ogra: if I finish XFCE theming next week, could you make it available for dapper time? 01:48 jsgotangco flint, we're volunteers 01:48 jsgotangco ogra and JaneW are the only ones paid to do this 01:48 JaneW flint: all I can do is hope they are excited enough by what needs to be done to want to help, and to harness that it;s something we can use 01:49 ogra mhz, i can package it, but i think janimo would be the better guy to ask about xfce temes 01:49 JaneW it;s=into 01:49 mhz ogra: sure, but I mean this is XFCE edubuntu theme 01:49 JaneW flint: granted PMing the ubuntu project is more work but FAR easier 01:50 ogra yes, we can package xfce-edubuntu-theme for universe, no problem with that ... main will need a main inclusion report and a review ... 01:50 neuralis janew, ogra: i am happy to provide drupal hosting on a well-connected server, and ssh access for edubuntu developers. 01:50 flint JaneW, what is in it for the perpertrator of this web site beyond bragging rights, think of some excellent reward. sometthing that will forever grant bragging rights imho. 01:50 pips1 Can I get some thumbs up/votes on me giving drupal a spin for a demo we all vote on in two weeks? 01:50 jsgotangco you're given an edubuntu.org forwarder hehe 01:50 jsgotangco joke 01:50 mhz pips1: but, if there is time and willingness isn't better to use time resource in helping with dapper stuff? and leave drupal/moin voting for Abril 27th and on 01:51 flint mhz, not a lot we can do about the upstream breakage eh ollie? 01:51 JaneW sorry I am in decision paralysis on this one 01:51 mhz ogra: okis, thx,I'll try t find time to finish it durinf bnext week 01:51 JaneW the camp is divided 01:52 ogra JaneW, flip a krugerrand ? 01:52 pips1 mhz, well, i've made a headstart with drupal (it's running a test machine of mine) and I want to test drive it for my own good, too ;-) 01:52 JaneW ogra: yeah right, I have a huge pile right here ;) 01:52 flint JaneW, I advise going for a demo. what can it hurt? Oliver what do you think (i don't care is an optioinal answer :^). 01:52 ogra heh, i knew you all have them in buckets :) 01:53 JaneW I think mhz, pips1, hno73 and highvoltage have to 'meet' and decide once and for all, it's their combined project after all 01:53 ogra flint, sure ... 01:53 ogra JaneW, ++ 01:53 flint JaneW, good idea. 01:54 pips1 JaneW, that's four people, we need an uneven number ;-) 01:54 JaneW ok I will set up a meeting for friday 12:00 utc, anyone who cares can be there, and we can hash it out for the last time 01:54 flint throw all the web-heads in a room and make them play "tag"! 01:54 flint JaneW, that's when I wash my hair!! 01:54 JaneW pips1: well which ever camp manages to round up the most supporters wins 01:54 JaneW AND they get to do the damn work afterwards too! :) 01:55 jsgotangco JaneW, it shouldn't exceed 2 hours, it'll clash with docteam meeting at 14UTC 01:55 jsgotangco they could do it in 01:55 JaneW 1 hour at the most 01:55 jsgotangco #edubuntu 01:55 jsgotangco :D 01:55 JaneW jsgotangco: ok yes, we can stay in #edub 01:55 pips1 JaneW, flint : no joke, on friday I have an appointment with a hair dresser! :-D 01:55 JaneW I'll send a mail 01:56 pips1 JaneW, is another date/time ok? if not, I'll move my appointment, no prob 01:56 flint JaneW, high noon, show down at the #edubuntu corrale... this is the stuff of legend! 01:56 JaneW of course if you have stuff to demo to support your arguments all the better... 01:56 flint pips1, i cannot breath i am laughing too hard... 01:56 JaneW pips1: well earlier is too early for the states... 01:56 pips1 flint, LOL 01:56 JaneW tomorrow? 01:56 mhz it depends on hno73 possibilities 01:57 pips1 what, that gives me today to come up with a demo?! === pips1 has sweat breaking loose 01:57 JaneW pips1: monday....? 01:57 pips1 monday sounds better :-) 01:57 mhz .oO("tell me why I dont like Mondays..") 01:57 JaneW mhz: are you ok with this?^ 01:58 pips1 mhz, hehe 01:58 mhz JaneW: why not, but I am concerned about 2 things 01:58 flint pips1, friday has more romance to it. talk to your coiffure maybe. 01:58 pips1 flint, sorry for spoiling your friday romance, friday is hair day! ;-) 01:59 JaneW I think monday is good, we need to focus on flight 4 this week anyway 01:59 JaneW ok anything else? 01:59 JaneW time nearly up 01:59 JaneW I will send that mail now, 12:00UTC monday === ogra would like to hear mhz's concerns ... 01:59 jsgotangco coll with me 01:59 pips1 monday, 12 UTC on #edubuntu, then? JaneW: highvoltage did work on something and I have no clue why we didn' test it, AND hno73 01:59 mhz has dedicated a lot of work on preparing a Moin version once decided drupal was not the option. So.. too much wasted time and resources 01:59 mhz ogra: those are 02:00 ogra yup 02:00 JaneW mhz: I do agree with you 02:00 mhz it's like we tell ogra... you know, we wont release edubuntu 02:00 mhz we'll use RPMs now 02:00 flint so I should get to work on the zope python based drupal moin emulator on my zope 3 platform eh? 02:00 ogra mhz, haha 02:01 mhz flint: lol 02:01 pips1 mhz, maybe it's better if we talk with hno73 and highvoltage... 02:01 jsgotangco afaik hno73 is on a roll with moin as we have started with theopencd site and ubuntu 02:01 flint pips1, i want you to know that I feel left out and hurt... 02:01 mhz pips1: well, yes, of course we must, we owe them at leastr that 02:01 flint pips1, and relieved :^) 02:01 jsgotangco we're even *this* close to having the whole moin de run off the cd on the livecd 02:02 JaneW I think mhz, pips1, hno73 and highvoltage have to 'meet' and decide once and for all, it's their combined project after all 02:02 JaneW as I said before 02:02 jsgotangco yeah 02:02 mhz well, okis 02:02 pips1 flint, I don't see you having a prob of not getting heard ;-) 02:03 flint ogra, final prophesy, when do we get a testable flight 4? 02:03 mhz I'd prefer hno73 and highvoltage set the time. they have spent the most efforts on website issues sor far 02:03 flint pips1, point well taken and graciously accepted! 02:03 jsgotangco ogra, can we change the menu System -> About Ubuntu to About Edubuntu? 02:03 JaneW ok meeting over