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Meeting February 22, 2006
12:58 JaneW 2 mins to Edubuntu dev Update Meeting 12:59 highvoltage Hi everyone === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:00 JaneW hello, are we all here? === lguerra_zZzzZzzz is now known as lguerra 01:00 pips1 hi 01:00 JaneW hispacey, jelkner, pips1, mhz, highvoltage 01:00 JaneW is ogra here? 01:01 jelkner hi Jane! 01:01 JaneW we are waiting on flint, jsgotangco, kjcole ... 01:01 JaneW Can we try to keep focused and on topic today please? 01:02 JaneW Else we just ramble for 2+ hours 01:02 highvoltage JaneW: yes, is there an agenda? 01:02 JaneW jelkner: do you have time constrainst today? 01:02 jelkner yes, i'm getting ready to leave for PyCon, and i was out yesterday 01:02 JaneW nless otherwise stated the meeting agenda is as follows: 01:03 JaneW * 01:03 JaneW Technical 01:03 JaneW o 01:03 JaneW Progress over past week 01:03 JaneW o 01:03 JaneW Issues/ Blocks 01:03 JaneW o 01:03 JaneW Planned Activities for coming week 01:03 JaneW * 01:03 JaneW Documentation 01:03 JaneW o 01:03 JaneW Progress over past week 01:03 JaneW o 01:03 JaneW Issues/ Blocks 01:03 JaneW o 01:03 JaneW Planned Activities for coming week 01:03 JaneW * 01:03 JaneW Art Work 01:03 JaneW o 01:03 JaneW Progress over past week 01:03 JaneW o 01:03 JaneW Issues/ Blocks 01:03 JaneW o 01:03 JaneW Planned Activities for coming week 01:03 JaneW * 01:03 JaneW Management and/or Community - any further issues that need to be discussed. These may be tabled in advance as required. 01:03 JaneW would anyone like to table any specific items for today which deviate from the above? === ogra waves 01:04 JaneW If anything needs a lengthy discussion we'll schedule a sep time for it, as we eventually did last week for the Drupal/Moin decision 01:04 JaneW hi ogra 01:04 JaneW jelkner: can we let ogra go first? 01:04 jelkner sure 01:04 highvoltage JaneW: yes, let him loose please 01:04 JaneW great, I prefer it that way :) 01:04 JaneW ogra: HIT IT 01:05 ogra i have not much to say, the final work on the goals is done, flight4 is out .... 01:05 JaneW w00t! 01:05 highvoltage ogra++ 01:05 pips1 clap clap 01:05 JaneW ogra: are all your goals implemented fully? 01:05 JaneW besides the deferred ones of course 01:05 mhz _o/ \o/ !! 01:06 JaneW argh, I am getting oops's in LP so can't check 01:06 ogra JaneW, nope , we decided to defer the nbd (swap over network) part for dapper+1 since the change we want is to intrusive === flint [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:07 highvoltage oh no :( 01:07 flint oh it is early... 01:07 ogra so thin-client-memory-usage will only be partially implemented... but i'll put up a doc how to set it up manually, its very easy 01:07 JaneW ogra: screensaver default images - that's still pending images right - but it's not edubuntu specific... 01:07 highvoltage that was my favourite dapper ltsp feature === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Fui] 01:07 highvoltage ogra: so swap over nbd can still be done manually? 01:07 JaneW ogra: so it's as done as it;s going to be then? t-c-m-u..? 01:08 ogra JaneW, 3/4 is implemented, i need to create an empty package in ubuntu-artwork for it... then its technically done 01:08 ogra (screensaver-default-image) 01:08 ogra JaneW, yup... there will only be fixes i'll merge from the debian guys now ... 01:09 ogra the rest is implemented ... 01:09 JaneW ogra: is mdz aware of/happy with that? 01:09 highvoltage ogra: apart from the swap-nbd question, how much RAM does a thin client currently use? i haven't had a chance to check yet. 01:09 ogra i think so ... 01:09 JaneW ogra: cool 01:09 ogra he told me not to do the nbd stuff anymore ... 01:09 JaneW ogra: well done! You are well within the deadlines this time :)) 01:09 JaneW ogra: is there more to squeeze in before FF? 01:10 ogra since what we want is a totally automatic swapserver ... and thats not achievable in time 01:10 flint morning jonathan, ollie at this stage can we still reset the default file in firefox? btw I missed. what is nbd? 01:10 ogra only fixes on the artwork package and one fix on gnome-settings-daemon is pending ogra: the content filtering, enyc asked about that this morning, so i told 01:10 highvoltage him you were thinking of privoxy at some point. did you go with that, or something else? 01:10 ogra highvoltage, willow 01:10 spacey hi 01:10 highvoltage flint: morning 01:11 JaneW highvoltage: we have someone willing to pay $100 for 'aprental control' pref dans guardian 01:11 highvoltage ogra: this one? 01:11 JaneW highvoltage: ogra likes willow for Dapper+1 01:11 ogra highvoltage, http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/ 01:11 highvoltage ogra: i was just about to post that link, thanks 01:11 ogra it works with very low maintenance 01:11 JaneW sorry aprental=parental 01:12 highvoltage nice. low maintenance++ 01:12 ogra but you can also do very fine grained stuff with it ... 01:12 JaneW ogra: what do you still need before edubuntu 6.04 is DONE? 01:12 highvoltage how does it work, with a web interface? 01:12 JaneW ogra: TESTING and bug filing... 01:12 ogra JaneW, exactly ... 01:12 spacey willow works great 01:12 spacey have it few months in production now 01:12 JaneW ogra: the 3 x artwork selections for the 3 themes 01:13 flint willow looks interesting! 01:13 ogra a wee for nbd would be great ... i'd really have loved to get it in ... but well ... 01:13 JaneW ogra: the screensaver images 01:13 ogra *week 01:13 spacey ogra: can't get it packaged in universe/multiverse? 01:13 flint ollie what is nbd? 01:13 ogra spacey, tomorrow is feature freeze ... 01:13 JaneW ogra: don;t fight mdz on it, but if it can be done safely we should 01:13 ogra flint, an easy way to setup swap over network 01:13 spacey so1 day left? 01:13 spacey :p 01:14 flint ok 01:14 JaneW ogra: what time is FF at midnight in LA tomorrow night? 01:14 ogra flint, the current problem is that you need to create a swapfile before you can use it ... 01:14 ogra JaneW, no idea ... but i hope so :) 01:14 flint gotcha...this is the workstation blues... 01:15 highvoltage ogra: the way that ltsp.org creates swapfiles, is that too crude? 01:15 JaneW ogra: actually it will probably be around the time of our meeting 01:15 ogra flint, and i'm working on a patch that creates it automatically, so you can run the daemon via inetd and just get swapspace on demand 01:15 JaneW ogra: we'll know what's made it and what hasn;t by then, and mdz will probably make selective exceptions then too 01:16 JaneW ogra: the meeting is at 20:00UTC tomorrow 01:16 ogra highvoltage, the fix needs to be done in nbd-daemon to get it right... nit with wrapper scripts 01:16 ogra ah, fine ... 01:16 highvoltage ogra: ok 01:16 flint JaneW, the one thing I want to know is can you reset the firefox default page on the install cd? 01:16 ogra flint, reset ? 01:16 ogra how ? 01:17 flint set it to something else rather than what it is. 01:17 ogra what is it ? i have no fresh install handy === Yagisan [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:17 ogra i thought it was the current edubuntu intro page ... 01:17 flint the standard ubuntu page 01:17 ogra hmm, sure ? 01:17 flint which comes in as a file 01:18 ogra nope, as an alternative ... 01:18 JaneW ogra: wasn;t there a translation issue with having the edubuntu page last time? 01:18 flint I am thinking that there may be a more useful page for an educator, or possibily links to other files in the edubuntu documentation on that page. 01:18 ogra i'll look if there is anything wrong in the artwork package with the set alternative stuff 01:19 flint ogra, ollie could you reset the base url as part of an artwork shift? 01:19 ogra you mean matching the selected age of the theme ? 01:20 flint ogra, the more I play with the prototypes the more I realize that the key to getting good information about operation of edubuntu is the browser default === mvo [n=egon@p54A652EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:20 flint this is where i believe a teacher will start to look for guidance 01:20 ogra flint, but thats also the page you see every browerstart ... 01:20 mhz JaneW: what do you mean by "JaneW ogra: wasn;t there a translation issue" ? 01:20 flint thus it is at this point that the documentation display processneeds to begin... 01:21 highvoltage ogra: local device support, is that also affected by the nbd problem? 01:21 ogra oh, JaneW one issue ... i'm waiting for the schooltool guys to finish theor new package ... the old one wont work with our zope ... ogra, that is fine, I can live with links off the base "ubuntu" page, but you 01:21 flint gotta admit that having an ubuntu page default in edubuntu is a bit odd and confusing... 01:21 JaneW mhz: afair we finished the about edubuntu page late and didn't have the required translations... 01:22 JaneW ogra: oic, when is it due? 01:22 mhz JaneW: translations as in "other languages" ? 01:22 JaneW mhz: yes, install languages 01:22 ogra its currntly not on the CD ... brian promised me a package before 23rd ... but it doesnt look good ... i'll talk to mdz later today 01:23 JaneW ogra: oh dear, what's the likely outcome? 01:23 ogra i know sabdfl has interest in getting the latest schooltool in 01:23 flint ogra, does this have to do with the zope2 verses zope3 thing? 01:23 JaneW ogra: does it look like we won;t have schooltool again? 01:23 ogra so matt wont object i guess 01:23 mhz JaneW: lguerra (in here, helping ubuntu-cl and edubuntu-es) can help us with translations into spanish if still neded 01:23 ogra again ? 01:23 JaneW I do think sabdfl would try to get it in 01:23 flint JaneW, you gott have schooltool 01:24 JaneW flint: we want schooltool - but it needs to be ready in our scheduled timeframe... 01:24 flint ogra, they have like a "runtime" where they include their silly zope3 as a package. 01:24 flint ogra, what did Tom Hoffman say about schooltool? 01:24 ogra flint, not feasable for us 01:24 jelkner JaneW: I need to run. Kevin and I will give an update on the cookbook next week. 01:25 mhz JaneW: ohhhm you mean, "late" so there will be no translations ? 01:25 JaneW jelkner: how's it looking? 01:25 jelkner we are dealing with hardware now === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:25 JaneW jelkner: mail the list the mean time or we can schedule a sep discussion? 01:25 jelkner setting up a lab so we can take screen shots extra 01:25 JaneW jelkner: how about tomorrow? 01:25 JaneW jelkner: that would be great :) 01:25 jelkner i'm leaving for PyCon 01:25 jsgotangco ohhh PyCon 01:26 jelkner see you all next week 01:26 JaneW jelkner: can screenshots be sent to you, I am sure some other would be happy to scrape the for you... 01:26 JaneW jelkner: enjoy 01:26 jelkner thanks 01:26 pips1 what is the status on teacher tool? (sorry for not being up to date) === JaneW really hopes we are going to have a Cook Book *holding thumbs* 01:27 JaneW jsgotangco: we are just moving onto docs now, good timing 01:27 ogra pips1, no new status, student-control-panel is packaged, does one basic function and still needs love 01:27 mhz JaneW: jsgotangco and I have some advances 01:27 jsgotangco oh cool 01:27 highvoltage ogra: local device support, is that also affected by the nbd problem? === jsgotangco just had 3 bottles 01:27 ogra highvoltage, not really ... 01:27 JaneW ogra: what happened with Linus's tool, he never responded to my message... 01:27 highvoltage ogra: so there will be some kind of local dev support? 01:27 ogra highvoltage, even i'm willing to do some testing with nbd ... 01:28 highvoltage cool. and local app support? 01:28 mhz jsgotangco: is this ok https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide/RoadMap 01:28 ogra JaneW, no license, not package ... he didnt answer on several requests 01:28 jsgotangco checking 01:28 ogra s/not/no/ === jsgotangco kicks x-chat gnome 01:28 JaneW highvoltage: local device support is defefferd sadly 01:28 highvoltage ok. 01:28 flint ogra, could local storage and multimedia at the workstation relate? 01:28 JaneW ogra: pity 01:28 jsgotangco wow 01:28 jsgotangco tick marks! 01:29 mhz jsgotangco: sure, (./) 01:29 JaneW mhz: cool page :) 01:29 flint ogra, I have been doing some work and have concluded that they do. highvoltage, i want it completely implemented in dapper+1 .... but for dapper 01:29 ogra the user needs to use the scripts from ltsp.org and ltspfs/ltspfsd from universe 01:29 jsgotangco errr 01:29 jsgotangco the question is === jsgotangco keeps silent first and let others talk 01:29 mhz JaneW: thx 01:30 flint ogra, how documented (or not) are the ltsp scripts? 01:30 ogra flint, not yet 01:30 Yagisan ogra: we have a howto for that ? 01:30 JaneW mhz: jsgotangco would be able to tell you more about the translation issue from last time - I didn't really understand it myself. 01:30 ogra i'll do a big documentation run on the wiki before release 01:30 flint ogra, ollie do you think i can get them running in a lab environment? 01:30 mhz JaneW: okis, i'll talk to him and lguerra at the end of meeting 01:30 JaneW ogra: do you know when you'll have a chance to look at that? I think the more time we give the doc guys to polish the better... 01:31 ogra flint, try it out ... search for ltspfs on the ltsp.org wiki ... there are howtos and scripts 01:31 mhz ogra: sorry, "documentation run" ? 01:31 ogra JaneW, as soon as i'm not allowed to code anymore ;) === mhz is scared to run ;) 01:31 jsgotangco hold one gimme a minute i gotta go downsstairs 01:31 ogra read: after feature freeze :) 01:31 flint mhz, nice doc page. I would like to get together with you about a documentation hack I kinda have in mind... 01:31 JaneW did everybody see what the outcome of the Drupal/Moin decision was? We are going with Drupal. 01:31 Yagisan mhz: he means update and check documentation 01:31 JaneW ogra: heh, ok fair enough :) 01:32 JaneW ogra: at 'pens down' 01:32 ogra :) 01:32 mhz flint: okis, let's discuss it with jsgotangco and see if we can do it 01:32 mhz Yagisan: oh, hi there. Got it thx 01:33 mhz JaneW: yeah, I saw it :( snif, but ok === Hirion [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:33 Yagisan mhz: srry - was late @ work 01:33 flint highvoltage, regarding documentation, I actually proofread every one of the 150 pages of the original tuxlab doc. It is not a bad piece of work. 01:34 flint ogra, is the original tuxlab doc on the distro somewhere? 01:34 ogra nop 01:34 flint ogra, the damn thing is not that big. 01:34 mhz flint: highvoltage: it is an excellent piece of work 01:34 highvoltage mhz: flint: wow. thanks! 01:35 flint JaneW, the hack is that we spruce up jonathan's prose, and stick in on the distro in html with a link off the default firefox page... 01:35 JaneW flint: it;s on the wiki === licio [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:35 pips1 how are general ubuntu features that are important to a school lab with edubuntu doing? e.g. 01:35 highvoltage i wanted to talk about that 01:35 pips1 network-authentication 01:35 flint JaneW, that is not as good for the user as having it when they need it, at install time when the net is not working. 01:36 highvoltage what's the chance that we can have some links at the top of that html page? 01:36 JaneW flint: after the amount of time that has been spent on turning into an Edubuntu cookbook it seems silly to go back to the original a third time... 01:36 ogra pips1, deferred 01:36 highvoltage there's no links to the local schooltool installation, currently. 01:36 pips1 network-magic 01:36 pips1 ? 01:36 jsgotangco :D 01:36 highvoltage can we have it in FF as bookmarks at least or something? 01:36 pips1 ogra, oh, that's a shame, that was one of my favorites 01:36 ogra pips1, partially included (network-manager is on the CD but not preinstalled) 01:36 jsgotangco mhz: i'm already done with screenshots 01:36 JaneW highvoltage: yes I think we should have some relevant book marks 01:37 ogra highvoltage++ 01:37 flint JaneW, the tuxlab stuff was never on the distro. if it could fit, i say put it up, Kevin Cole, what do you think? 01:37 mhz jsgotangco: yup, I remember you mentioned that to me, hence it is already ticked ;) 01:37 JaneW kevin is not here === jsgotangco thumbs down 01:37 highvoltage ogra: what did I do to deserve that? :) 01:37 JaneW flint: we always wanted to customise the cookbook first 01:37 ogra highvoltage, schooltoll links :) 01:38 jsgotangco mhz: can we work on the TOC and layout later if you're not doing anything after this 01:38 flint JaneW, you are facing a deadline... the cooks cannot make. 01:38 highvoltage ah 01:38 mhz flint: +1 01:38 JaneW flint: have they said so? They haven't told me they can't make it... 01:38 mhz JaneW: at least as a "complementary alternative" 01:38 jsgotangco i don't think they can make it 01:39 JaneW flint: plus I have asked them for weeks and wekks to aim for 'good enough' as a base 01:39 spacey whats the deadline? 01:39 flint JaneW, this should not be that hard a command decision. The deadline is tomorrow, they are on their way to Pycon. 01:39 JaneW we can always improve on something that's done 01:39 ogra spacey, documentation freeze 01:39 spacey thats not tomorrow right 01:39 ogra yup 01:39 highvoltage JaneW: well said 01:39 jsgotangco tommorow is feature freeze 01:39 JaneW flint: FEATURE FREEZE is tomorrow 01:39 mhz jsgotangco: I am going to the doctor and then I have 3 meetings. I'll be home tonite at 01:00 UTC === jsgotangco remembers to rush something 01:39 flint fair enough when is doc freeze? 01:39 jsgotangco mhz: ok i 01:39 JaneW https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule 01:39 jsgotangco mhz: ok i'll chug something in the wiki 01:40 mhz jsgotangco: but, yes, i guess it is time we meet again 01:40 JaneW March 23rd 01:40 JaneW DocumentationStringFreeze 01:40 JaneW 1 month 01:40 jsgotangco i'll finish my g-a-i stuff first won't take a lot 01:40 mhz jsgotangco: and yes, I can spend 10 munites for a quick meeting after this one 01:40 highvoltage g-a-i? 01:40 flint JaneW, fair enough, march 23rd. they can make it by then. 01:40 ogra highvoltage, the last item in your menu ;) 01:40 spacey cookbook is not really documenationstring 01:40 JaneW flint: exactly 01:40 ogra gnome-app-install 01:41 highvoltage aaaaah 01:41 JaneW we have been trying to get the Cookbook going since July August last year... 01:41 flint JaneW, what I really want is that the documentation be on the CD and be linked at the default firefox page so you do not have to look for it. 01:42 JaneW to me first goal is to get the damn thing DONE, and then we can decide what to do with it === mvo [n=egon@p54A652EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:42 flint JaneW, elkner and the boys only got involved in November 2006. 01:42 JaneW flint: that would be nice yes 01:42 pips1 what are the educational applications that are running on the server by default? schooltool? moodle? 01:42 jsgotangco lol that's like hmmm 10 months to go 01:42 JaneW flint: I am not directing my anger at them at all. jsgotangco tried valiantly before that... 01:42 ogra schooltool only ... 01:42 highvoltage pips1: you mean the web based stuff? 01:42 pips1 highvoltage, yes 01:43 flint ogra, ollie, jane said the link off the firefox default page would be nice, is it possible? 01:43 ogra moodle never went to main ... 01:43 jsgotangco i was the only guy who started it and i did good progress i'd say :P 01:43 pips1 ogra, i see 01:43 flint JaneW, you really look beautiful when you are angry :^) 01:43 JaneW flint: thing is we could point to it from the wiki in the about docs if necessary 01:43 ogra i also excluded postgresql from the default install, i notices users tend to prefer mysql ... so its up to them to choose 01:43 highvoltage flint: with words like thay, you'll just make her more beautiful :) 01:44 flint JaneW, you look truly radiant when you are bitter... 01:44 JaneW jsgotangco: indeed, plus you did the other docs so I am grateful 01:44 flint :^) 01:44 jsgotangco hmm new kernel 01:44 flint JaneW, what I am after is that the docs be available even if you do not have connectivity. 01:45 pips1 ogra, so what non-web non-ltsp servers are runnung by default? 01:45 pips1 mysql ... and ...? 01:45 ogra samba ... 01:45 ogra no mysql 01:45 pips1 ah 01:45 pips1 ok 01:45 highvoltage samba runs by default? === highvoltage didn't know that 01:45 ogra no database preinstalled, as i said above === lguerra is now known as lguerra_estudian 01:45 ogra highvoltage, yes, but also with the default locked down config ... 01:45 flint ogra, samba is cool, lets not forget that you are running nfs by gosh! flint: agreed, but once again it is a timing thing, the sooner we get a 01:45 JaneW product, the more we can do with it. If we can get a simple doc out as a first draft that would be great. We can add more graphics and better pics of RS etc etc afterwards... 01:46 ogra flint, samba is for windows integration ... 01:46 Yagisan pips1: also tftp, dhcp 01:46 highvoltage oh, btw 01:46 flint JaneW, I want to motivate the boys by saying that "here is the hole your stuff must fill by 3/23" 01:46 ogra Yagisan, yes, the ltsp dedicated things 01:47 flint ogra, na, windows is just a passing fad, it will never catch on... :^) 01:47 Yagisan ogra: of course. I just try to be complete 01:47 JaneW I think questions are how large will it bem and how much space do we have available? 01:47 spacey oh btw, should the cookbook actually explain how things work or just say like click here and there 01:47 spacey ? 01:48 flint ogra, it is fine as homage to the past however :^) 01:48 pips1 Yagisan, ogran, thanks for your infos :-) 01:48 pips1 groa 01:48 pips1 ogra 01:48 pips1 sorry :-) 01:48 flint pips1, you forgot arog... 01:48 pips1 hehe 01:48 ogra hehe 01:48 jsgotangco spacey: the orginal cookbook used LTSP with an RH distro i believe 01:48 jsgotangco i might be wrong 01:48 jsgotangco its been a while since i read it 01:49 flint pips1, you should have seen what I did to jonathan's name... :^) 01:49 spacey yeah but how much explaination should it give 01:49 pips1 flint, missed that :-( 01:49 Yagisan jsgotangco: IIRC you are correct === DeeJay1 [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:49 jsgotangco and our LTSP is designed differently 01:50 highvoltage jsgotangco: the original cookbook used K12-LTSP, then Ubuntu + LTSP.org 01:50 jsgotangco there === jsgotangco forgot about K12 01:50 flint spacey, if you are referring to the default documentation page in firefox, it should be a default whale of documentation. 01:50 spacey flint: i'm not 01:51 flint highvoltage, how big was the tuxlab doc in html? maybe 3 megs with the damn pictures (absolutely optional btw) i'm just asking in which way the cookbook should be written. Like we have 01:51 spacey these services which do.. etc. or just say the commands to enter/what to click. 01:51 highvoltage flint: something like that. and a lot of those pics aren't needed, anyway 01:51 highvoltage (like the RMS or Linus ones) 01:52 flint spacey, I am less concerned witht he content right now and more concerned with where the user finds it. 01:52 highvoltage spacey: in my experience it helps to keep things as simple as possible in docs 01:52 flint ogra, you got a spare 5 megs on the install? 01:52 jsgotangco meh 01:52 spacey well i think there should at least be enough information to understand what your doing a bit, and the pieces fall together (possibly) 01:53 flint highvoltage, jonathan your words made the tuxlab book. be proud. 01:53 ogra flint, not sure ... we're pretty much out of space, as always 01:53 flint highvoltage, the fact that you did not date the artist is a mystery best left to history. :^) === highvoltage be's proud 01:54 flint ogra, aw ollie just a few megs? 01:54 highvoltage flint: perhaps she dated someone else at TSF at that stage ;) 01:54 highvoltage for just text without images it should be less than 300k 01:54 flint highvoltage, gotta get you out of the computer room more often... 01:54 ogra flint, i cant tell unless i tried ... i need to make a edubuntu-docs package anyway today ... 01:54 highvoltage ogra: may i help there? 01:55 JaneW ** 5 mins 01:55 flint ogra, what should i do send you a slimmed down tuxlab so you can see if you can fit it in? 01:55 highvoltage ogra: i'm getting the hang of .deb packages. it seems it's easier than I always made it out to be. 01:55 ogra highvoltage, its 3 commands and editing a few lines in the rules file to make an empty package, not really exciting :) 01:55 Yagisan flint: sure, we'll just dump, um - how about edubuntu-desktop for space ? seriously it can't fit. 01:56 flint JaneW, let jonathan send a debian, could ollie link it to the default url for firefox? 01:56 JaneW flint: are you in contact with kjcole and jelkner atm? 01:56 flint Yagisan, harsh, but we could just go to icewm or dsl :^) 01:56 ogra flint, i'm not yet sure if i like the idea to ship tuxlabs ltsp 4.1 documentation ... some stuff will break heavily if you use it 01:56 JaneW flint: we *need* to know if/when they are going to be able to finish - else we'll need to look at considering a Plan B option JaneW, the position here is that this represents the "box" their 01:57 flint documentation must fit in if it is to be clickable from the default firefox page. 01:57 JaneW flint: I am still hoping they can pull it off, since they had good ideas and invested a lot in it 01:57 highvoltage ogra: can i still do it! 01:57 ogra flint, but jsgotangco has the start of a quickguide and we have still 4 weeks ... so that might be finishable in time ... 01:58 flint JaneW, if (wnen) they do then their deathless prose replace the tuxlab book. and get the default click off of firefox. 01:58 JaneW flint: I don't see the point, we were looking at possibly printing the book and making it a .pdf etc etc, so why is this suddenly a concern? JaneW, the book part is fine. while playing with edubuntu in the lab I 01:59 flint noticed that if you have no network connectivity you have no easy access to any guidance, which is when you need it. 01:59 flint JaneW, jonathan does a serviceable job of a network troubleshooting guide in the tuxlab book. 01:59 ogra flint, if we ship such a link in edubuntu, we must make sure the webpage is there the next 5 years .... 02:00 ogra at least in dapper ... 02:00 flint JaneW, maybe these are two separate documentation pieces, i do not know... 02:00 JaneW ogra: 3 02:00 mhz ogra: ooooh, good point (5 years!) 02:00 ogra JaneW, classroom*server* 02:00 highvoltage yes, so no switching from drupal for the next 5 years! 02:00 flint ogra, exactly. this is internal get it running documentation for the server and workstation install. 02:01 JaneW ogra: ah, yes good point 02:01 JaneW highvoltage: heh 02:01 flint highvoltage, jonathan this is a simple html page clickable from firefox. i care not for the moin drupal issue in this case. 02:01 mhz highvoltage: 5 years too? 02:01 mhz :( 02:02 mhz :D 02:02 pips1 highvoltage, had to laugh about that! 02:02 flint ogra, how much space for onboard documentation? 02:02 ogra flint, see above 02:02 JaneW ok our time is up 02:02 jsgotangco cool 02:02 JaneW meeting over 02:02 flint ogra, it is not a web page, it is just html that loads as a default.. 02:03 jsgotangco ciao === JaneW prays please can we have a cookbook ready in time 02:03 flint JaneW, thanks for the excellent meeting. 02:03 JaneW OM