2006-02-22
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12:58 JaneW 2 mins to Edubuntu dev Update Meeting
12:59 highvoltage Hi everyone
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01:00 JaneW hello, are we all here?
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01:00 pips1 hi
01:00 JaneW hispacey, jelkner, pips1, mhz, highvoltage
01:00 JaneW is ogra here?
01:01 jelkner hi Jane!
01:01 JaneW we are waiting on flint, jsgotangco, kjcole ...
01:01 JaneW Can we try to keep focused and on topic today please?
01:02 JaneW Else we just ramble for 2+ hours
01:02 highvoltage JaneW: yes, is there an agenda?
01:02 JaneW jelkner: do you have time constrainst today?
01:02 jelkner yes, i'm getting ready to leave for PyCon, and i was out yesterday
01:02 JaneW nless otherwise stated the meeting agenda is as follows:
01:03 JaneW *
01:03 JaneW Technical
01:03 JaneW o
01:03 JaneW Progress over past week
01:03 JaneW o
01:03 JaneW Issues/ Blocks
01:03 JaneW o
01:03 JaneW Planned Activities for coming week
01:03 JaneW *
01:03 JaneW Documentation
01:03 JaneW o
01:03 JaneW Progress over past week
01:03 JaneW o
01:03 JaneW Issues/ Blocks
01:03 JaneW o
01:03 JaneW Planned Activities for coming week
01:03 JaneW *
01:03 JaneW Art Work
01:03 JaneW o
01:03 JaneW Progress over past week
01:03 JaneW o
01:03 JaneW Issues/ Blocks
01:03 JaneW o
01:03 JaneW Planned Activities for coming week
01:03 JaneW *
01:03 JaneW Management and/or Community - any further issues that need to be
discussed. These may be tabled in advance as required.
01:03 JaneW would anyone like to table any specific items for today which deviate from
the above?
=== ogra waves
01:04 JaneW If anything needs a lengthy discussion we'll schedule a sep time for it, as
we eventually did last week for the Drupal/Moin decision
01:04 JaneW hi ogra
01:04 JaneW jelkner: can we let ogra go first?
01:04 jelkner sure
01:04 highvoltage JaneW: yes, let him loose please
01:04 JaneW great, I prefer it that way :)
01:04 JaneW ogra: HIT IT
01:05 ogra i have not much to say, the final work on the goals is done, flight4 is out
....
01:05 JaneW w00t!
01:05 highvoltage ogra++
01:05 pips1 clap clap
01:05 JaneW ogra: are all your goals implemented fully?
01:05 JaneW besides the deferred ones of course
01:05 mhz _o/ \o/ !!
01:06 JaneW argh, I am getting oops's in LP so can't check
01:06 ogra JaneW, nope , we decided to defer the nbd (swap over network) part for
dapper+1 since the change we want is to intrusive
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01:07 highvoltage oh no :(
01:07 flint oh it is early...
01:07 ogra so thin-client-memory-usage will only be partially implemented... but i'll
put up a doc how to set it up manually, its very easy
01:07 JaneW ogra: screensaver default images - that's still pending images right - but
it's not edubuntu specific...
01:07 highvoltage that was my favourite dapper ltsp feature
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01:07 highvoltage ogra: so swap over nbd can still be done manually?
01:07 JaneW ogra: so it's as done as it;s going to be then? t-c-m-u..?
01:08 ogra JaneW, 3/4 is implemented, i need to create an empty package in
ubuntu-artwork for it... then its technically done
01:08 ogra (screensaver-default-image)
01:08 ogra JaneW, yup... there will only be fixes i'll merge from the debian guys now
...
01:09 ogra the rest is implemented ...
01:09 JaneW ogra: is mdz aware of/happy with that?
01:09 highvoltage ogra: apart from the swap-nbd question, how much RAM does a thin client
currently use? i haven't had a chance to check yet.
01:09 ogra i think so ...
01:09 JaneW ogra: cool
01:09 ogra he told me not to do the nbd stuff anymore ...
01:09 JaneW ogra: well done! You are well within the deadlines this time :))
01:09 JaneW ogra: is there more to squeeze in before FF?
01:10 ogra since what we want is a totally automatic swapserver ... and thats not
achievable in time
01:10 flint morning jonathan, ollie at this stage can we still reset the default file in
firefox? btw I missed. what is nbd?
01:10 ogra only fixes on the artwork package and one fix on gnome-settings-daemon is
pending
ogra: the content filtering, enyc asked about that this morning, so i told
01:10 highvoltage him you were thinking of privoxy at some point. did you go with that, or
something else?
01:10 ogra highvoltage, willow
01:10 spacey hi
01:10 highvoltage flint: morning
01:11 JaneW highvoltage: we have someone willing to pay $100 for 'aprental control' pref
dans guardian
01:11 highvoltage ogra: this one?
01:11 JaneW highvoltage: ogra likes willow for Dapper+1
01:11 ogra highvoltage, http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/
01:11 highvoltage ogra: i was just about to post that link, thanks
01:11 ogra it works with very low maintenance
01:11 JaneW sorry aprental=parental
01:12 highvoltage nice. low maintenance++
01:12 ogra but you can also do very fine grained stuff with it ...
01:12 JaneW ogra: what do you still need before edubuntu 6.04 is DONE?
01:12 highvoltage how does it work, with a web interface?
01:12 JaneW ogra: TESTING and bug filing...
01:12 ogra JaneW, exactly ...
01:12 spacey willow works great
01:12 spacey have it few months in production now
01:12 JaneW ogra: the 3 x artwork selections for the 3 themes
01:13 flint willow looks interesting!
01:13 ogra a wee for nbd would be great ... i'd really have loved to get it in ... but
well ...
01:13 JaneW ogra: the screensaver images
01:13 ogra *week
01:13 spacey ogra: can't get it packaged in universe/multiverse?
01:13 flint ollie what is nbd?
01:13 ogra spacey, tomorrow is feature freeze ...
01:13 JaneW ogra: don;t fight mdz on it, but if it can be done safely we should
01:13 ogra flint, an easy way to setup swap over network
01:13 spacey so1 day left?
01:13 spacey :p
01:14 flint ok
01:14 JaneW ogra: what time is FF at midnight in LA tomorrow night?
01:14 ogra flint, the current problem is that you need to create a swapfile before you
can use it ...
01:14 ogra JaneW, no idea ... but i hope so :)
01:14 flint gotcha...this is the workstation blues...
01:15 highvoltage ogra: the way that ltsp.org creates swapfiles, is that too crude?
01:15 JaneW ogra: actually it will probably be around the time of our meeting
01:15 ogra flint, and i'm working on a patch that creates it automatically, so you can
run the daemon via inetd and just get swapspace on demand
01:15 JaneW ogra: we'll know what's made it and what hasn;t by then, and mdz will
probably make selective exceptions then too
01:16 JaneW ogra: the meeting is at 20:00UTC tomorrow
01:16 ogra highvoltage, the fix needs to be done in nbd-daemon to get it right... nit
with wrapper scripts
01:16 ogra ah, fine ...
01:16 highvoltage ogra: ok
01:16 flint JaneW, the one thing I want to know is can you reset the firefox default page
on the install cd?
01:16 ogra flint, reset ?
01:16 ogra how ?
01:17 flint set it to something else rather than what it is.
01:17 ogra what is it ? i have no fresh install handy
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01:17 ogra i thought it was the current edubuntu intro page ...
01:17 flint the standard ubuntu page
01:17 ogra hmm, sure ?
01:17 flint which comes in as a file
01:18 ogra nope, as an alternative ...
01:18 JaneW ogra: wasn;t there a translation issue with having the edubuntu page last
time?
01:18 flint I am thinking that there may be a more useful page for an educator, or
possibily links to other files in the edubuntu documentation on that page.
01:18 ogra i'll look if there is anything wrong in the artwork package with the set
alternative stuff
01:19 flint ogra, ollie could you reset the base url as part of an artwork shift?
01:19 ogra you mean matching the selected age of the theme ?
01:20 flint ogra, the more I play with the prototypes the more I realize that the key to
getting good information about operation of edubuntu is the browser default
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01:20 flint this is where i believe a teacher will start to look for guidance
01:20 ogra flint, but thats also the page you see every browerstart ...
01:20 mhz JaneW: what do you mean by "JaneW ogra: wasn;t there a translation issue" ?
01:20 flint thus it is at this point that the documentation display processneeds to
begin...
01:21 highvoltage ogra: local device support, is that also affected by the nbd problem?
01:21 ogra oh, JaneW one issue ... i'm waiting for the schooltool guys to finish theor
new package ... the old one wont work with our zope ...
ogra, that is fine, I can live with links off the base "ubuntu" page, but you
01:21 flint gotta admit that having an ubuntu page default in edubuntu is a bit odd and
confusing...
01:21 JaneW mhz: afair we finished the about edubuntu page late and didn't have the
required translations...
01:22 JaneW ogra: oic, when is it due?
01:22 mhz JaneW: translations as in "other languages" ?
01:22 JaneW mhz: yes, install languages
01:22 ogra its currntly not on the CD ... brian promised me a package before 23rd ...
but it doesnt look good ... i'll talk to mdz later today
01:23 JaneW ogra: oh dear, what's the likely outcome?
01:23 ogra i know sabdfl has interest in getting the latest schooltool in
01:23 flint ogra, does this have to do with the zope2 verses zope3 thing?
01:23 JaneW ogra: does it look like we won;t have schooltool again?
01:23 ogra so matt wont object i guess
01:23 mhz JaneW: lguerra (in here, helping ubuntu-cl and edubuntu-es) can help us with
translations into spanish if still neded
01:23 ogra again ?
01:23 JaneW I do think sabdfl would try to get it in
01:23 flint JaneW, you gott have schooltool
01:24 JaneW flint: we want schooltool - but it needs to be ready in our scheduled
timeframe...
01:24 flint ogra, they have like a "runtime" where they include their silly zope3 as a
package.
01:24 flint ogra, what did Tom Hoffman say about schooltool?
01:24 ogra flint, not feasable for us
01:24 jelkner JaneW: I need to run. Kevin and I will give an update on the cookbook next
week.
01:25 mhz JaneW: ohhhm you mean, "late" so there will be no translations ?
01:25 JaneW jelkner: how's it looking?
01:25 jelkner we are dealing with hardware now
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01:25 JaneW jelkner: mail the list the mean time or we can schedule a sep discussion?
01:25 jelkner setting up a lab so we can take screen shots extra
01:25 JaneW jelkner: how about tomorrow?
01:25 JaneW jelkner: that would be great :)
01:25 jelkner i'm leaving for PyCon
01:25 jsgotangco ohhh PyCon
01:26 jelkner see you all next week
01:26 JaneW jelkner: can screenshots be sent to you, I am sure some other would be happy
to scrape the for you...
01:26 JaneW jelkner: enjoy
01:26 jelkner thanks
01:26 pips1 what is the status on teacher tool? (sorry for not being up to date)
=== JaneW really hopes we are going to have a Cook Book *holding thumbs*
01:27 JaneW jsgotangco: we are just moving onto docs now, good timing
01:27 ogra pips1, no new status, student-control-panel is packaged, does one basic
function and still needs love
01:27 mhz JaneW: jsgotangco and I have some advances
01:27 jsgotangco oh cool
01:27 highvoltage ogra: local device support, is that also affected by the nbd problem?
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01:27 ogra highvoltage, not really ...
01:27 JaneW ogra: what happened with Linus's tool, he never responded to my message...
01:27 highvoltage ogra: so there will be some kind of local dev support?
01:27 ogra highvoltage, even i'm willing to do some testing with nbd ...
01:28 highvoltage cool. and local app support?
01:28 mhz jsgotangco: is this ok
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide/RoadMap
01:28 ogra JaneW, no license, not package ... he didnt answer on several requests
01:28 jsgotangco checking
01:28 ogra s/not/no/
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01:28 JaneW highvoltage: local device support is defefferd sadly
01:28 highvoltage ok.
01:28 flint ogra, could local storage and multimedia at the workstation relate?
01:28 JaneW ogra: pity
01:28 jsgotangco wow
01:28 jsgotangco tick marks!
01:29 mhz jsgotangco: sure, (./)
01:29 JaneW mhz: cool page :)
01:29 flint ogra, I have been doing some work and have concluded that they do.
highvoltage, i want it completely implemented in dapper+1 .... but for dapper
01:29 ogra the user needs to use the scripts from ltsp.org and ltspfs/ltspfsd from
universe
01:29 jsgotangco errr
01:29 jsgotangco the question is
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01:29 mhz JaneW: thx
01:30 flint ogra, how documented (or not) are the ltsp scripts?
01:30 ogra flint, not yet
01:30 Yagisan ogra: we have a howto for that ?
01:30 JaneW mhz: jsgotangco would be able to tell you more about the translation issue
from last time - I didn't really understand it myself.
01:30 ogra i'll do a big documentation run on the wiki before release
01:30 flint ogra, ollie do you think i can get them running in a lab environment?
01:30 mhz JaneW: okis, i'll talk to him and lguerra at the end of meeting
01:30 JaneW ogra: do you know when you'll have a chance to look at that? I think the more
time we give the doc guys to polish the better...
01:31 ogra flint, try it out ... search for ltspfs on the ltsp.org wiki ... there are
howtos and scripts
01:31 mhz ogra: sorry, "documentation run" ?
01:31 ogra JaneW, as soon as i'm not allowed to code anymore ;)
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01:31 jsgotangco hold one gimme a minute i gotta go downsstairs
01:31 ogra read: after feature freeze :)
01:31 flint mhz, nice doc page. I would like to get together with you about a
documentation hack I kinda have in mind...
01:31 JaneW did everybody see what the outcome of the Drupal/Moin decision was? We are
going with Drupal.
01:31 Yagisan mhz: he means update and check documentation
01:31 JaneW ogra: heh, ok fair enough :)
01:32 JaneW ogra: at 'pens down'
01:32 ogra :)
01:32 mhz flint: okis, let's discuss it with jsgotangco and see if we can do it
01:32 mhz Yagisan: oh, hi there. Got it thx
01:33 mhz JaneW: yeah, I saw it :( snif, but ok
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01:33 Yagisan mhz: srry - was late @ work
01:33 flint highvoltage, regarding documentation, I actually proofread every one of the
150 pages of the original tuxlab doc. It is not a bad piece of work.
01:34 flint ogra, is the original tuxlab doc on the distro somewhere?
01:34 ogra nop
01:34 flint ogra, the damn thing is not that big.
01:34 mhz flint: highvoltage: it is an excellent piece of work
01:34 highvoltage mhz: flint: wow. thanks!
01:35 flint JaneW, the hack is that we spruce up jonathan's prose, and stick in on the
distro in html with a link off the default firefox page...
01:35 JaneW flint: it;s on the wiki
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01:35 pips1 how are general ubuntu features that are important to a school lab with
edubuntu doing? e.g.
01:35 highvoltage i wanted to talk about that
01:35 pips1 network-authentication
01:35 flint JaneW, that is not as good for the user as having it when they need it, at
install time when the net is not working.
01:36 highvoltage what's the chance that we can have some links at the top of that html page?
01:36 JaneW flint: after the amount of time that has been spent on turning into an
Edubuntu cookbook it seems silly to go back to the original a third time...
01:36 ogra pips1, deferred
01:36 highvoltage there's no links to the local schooltool installation, currently.
01:36 pips1 network-magic
01:36 pips1 ?
01:36 jsgotangco :D
01:36 highvoltage can we have it in FF as bookmarks at least or something?
01:36 pips1 ogra, oh, that's a shame, that was one of my favorites
01:36 ogra pips1, partially included (network-manager is on the CD but not preinstalled)
01:36 jsgotangco mhz: i'm already done with screenshots
01:36 JaneW highvoltage: yes I think we should have some relevant book marks
01:37 ogra highvoltage++
01:37 flint JaneW, the tuxlab stuff was never on the distro. if it could fit, i say put
it up, Kevin Cole, what do you think?
01:37 mhz jsgotangco: yup, I remember you mentioned that to me, hence it is already
ticked ;)
01:37 JaneW kevin is not here
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01:37 highvoltage ogra: what did I do to deserve that? :)
01:37 JaneW flint: we always wanted to customise the cookbook first
01:37 ogra highvoltage, schooltoll links :)
01:38 jsgotangco mhz: can we work on the TOC and layout later if you're not doing anything
after this
01:38 flint JaneW, you are facing a deadline... the cooks cannot make.
01:38 highvoltage ah
01:38 mhz flint: +1
01:38 JaneW flint: have they said so? They haven't told me they can't make it...
01:38 mhz JaneW: at least as a "complementary alternative"
01:38 jsgotangco i don't think they can make it
01:39 JaneW flint: plus I have asked them for weeks and wekks to aim for 'good enough' as
a base
01:39 spacey whats the deadline?
01:39 flint JaneW, this should not be that hard a command decision. The deadline is
tomorrow, they are on their way to Pycon.
01:39 JaneW we can always improve on something that's done
01:39 ogra spacey, documentation freeze
01:39 spacey thats not tomorrow right
01:39 ogra yup
01:39 highvoltage JaneW: well said
01:39 jsgotangco tommorow is feature freeze
01:39 JaneW flint: FEATURE FREEZE is tomorrow
01:39 mhz jsgotangco: I am going to the doctor and then I have 3 meetings. I'll be home
tonite at 01:00 UTC
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01:39 flint fair enough when is doc freeze?
01:39 jsgotangco mhz: ok i
01:39 JaneW https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
01:39 jsgotangco mhz: ok i'll chug something in the wiki
01:40 mhz jsgotangco: but, yes, i guess it is time we meet again
01:40 JaneW March 23rd
01:40 JaneW DocumentationStringFreeze
01:40 JaneW 1 month
01:40 jsgotangco i'll finish my g-a-i stuff first won't take a lot
01:40 mhz jsgotangco: and yes, I can spend 10 munites for a quick meeting after this
one
01:40 highvoltage g-a-i?
01:40 flint JaneW, fair enough, march 23rd. they can make it by then.
01:40 ogra highvoltage, the last item in your menu ;)
01:40 spacey cookbook is not really documenationstring
01:40 JaneW flint: exactly
01:40 ogra gnome-app-install
01:41 highvoltage aaaaah
01:41 JaneW we have been trying to get the Cookbook going since July August last year...
01:41 flint JaneW, what I really want is that the documentation be on the CD and be
linked at the default firefox page so you do not have to look for it.
01:42 JaneW to me first goal is to get the damn thing DONE, and then we can decide what
to do with it
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01:42 flint JaneW, elkner and the boys only got involved in November 2006.
01:42 JaneW flint: that would be nice yes
01:42 pips1 what are the educational applications that are running on the server by
default? schooltool? moodle?
01:42 jsgotangco lol that's like hmmm 10 months to go
01:42 JaneW flint: I am not directing my anger at them at all. jsgotangco tried valiantly
before that...
01:42 ogra schooltool only ...
01:42 highvoltage pips1: you mean the web based stuff?
01:42 pips1 highvoltage, yes
01:43 flint ogra, ollie, jane said the link off the firefox default page would be nice,
is it possible?
01:43 ogra moodle never went to main ...
01:43 jsgotangco i was the only guy who started it and i did good progress i'd say :P
01:43 pips1 ogra, i see
01:43 flint JaneW, you really look beautiful when you are angry :^)
01:43 JaneW flint: thing is we could point to it from the wiki in the about docs if
necessary
01:43 ogra i also excluded postgresql from the default install, i notices users tend to
prefer mysql ... so its up to them to choose
01:43 highvoltage flint: with words like thay, you'll just make her more beautiful :)
01:44 flint JaneW, you look truly radiant when you are bitter...
01:44 JaneW jsgotangco: indeed, plus you did the other docs so I am grateful
01:44 flint :^)
01:44 jsgotangco hmm new kernel
01:44 flint JaneW, what I am after is that the docs be available even if you do not have
connectivity.
01:45 pips1 ogra, so what non-web non-ltsp servers are runnung by default?
01:45 pips1 mysql ... and ...?
01:45 ogra samba ...
01:45 ogra no mysql
01:45 pips1 ah
01:45 pips1 ok
01:45 highvoltage samba runs by default?
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01:45 ogra no database preinstalled, as i said above
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01:45 ogra highvoltage, yes, but also with the default locked down config ...
01:45 flint ogra, samba is cool, lets not forget that you are running nfs by gosh!
flint: agreed, but once again it is a timing thing, the sooner we get a
01:45 JaneW product, the more we can do with it. If we can get a simple doc out as a
first draft that would be great. We can add more graphics and better pics of
RS etc etc afterwards...
01:46 ogra flint, samba is for windows integration ...
01:46 Yagisan pips1: also tftp, dhcp
01:46 highvoltage oh, btw
01:46 flint JaneW, I want to motivate the boys by saying that "here is the hole your
stuff must fill by 3/23"
01:46 ogra Yagisan, yes, the ltsp dedicated things
01:47 flint ogra, na, windows is just a passing fad, it will never catch on... :^)
01:47 Yagisan ogra: of course. I just try to be complete
01:47 JaneW I think questions are how large will it bem and how much space do we have
available?
01:47 spacey oh btw, should the cookbook actually explain how things work or just say like
click here and there
01:47 spacey ?
01:48 flint ogra, it is fine as homage to the past however :^)
01:48 pips1 Yagisan, ogran, thanks for your infos :-)
01:48 pips1 groa
01:48 pips1 ogra
01:48 pips1 sorry :-)
01:48 flint pips1, you forgot arog...
01:48 pips1 hehe
01:48 ogra hehe
01:48 jsgotangco spacey: the orginal cookbook used LTSP with an RH distro i believe
01:48 jsgotangco i might be wrong
01:48 jsgotangco its been a while since i read it
01:49 flint pips1, you should have seen what I did to jonathan's name... :^)
01:49 spacey yeah but how much explaination should it give
01:49 pips1 flint, missed that :-(
01:49 Yagisan jsgotangco: IIRC you are correct
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01:49 jsgotangco and our LTSP is designed differently
01:50 highvoltage jsgotangco: the original cookbook used K12-LTSP, then Ubuntu + LTSP.org
01:50 jsgotangco there
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01:50 flint spacey, if you are referring to the default documentation page in firefox, it
should be a default whale of documentation.
01:50 spacey flint: i'm not
01:51 flint highvoltage, how big was the tuxlab doc in html? maybe 3 megs with the damn
pictures (absolutely optional btw)
i'm just asking in which way the cookbook should be written. Like we have
01:51 spacey these services which do.. etc. or just say the commands to enter/what to
click.
01:51 highvoltage flint: something like that. and a lot of those pics aren't needed, anyway
01:51 highvoltage (like the RMS or Linus ones)
01:52 flint spacey, I am less concerned witht he content right now and more concerned
with where the user finds it.
01:52 highvoltage spacey: in my experience it helps to keep things as simple as possible in
docs
01:52 flint ogra, you got a spare 5 megs on the install?
01:52 jsgotangco meh
01:52 spacey well i think there should at least be enough information to understand what
your doing a bit, and the pieces fall together (possibly)
01:53 flint highvoltage, jonathan your words made the tuxlab book. be proud.
01:53 ogra flint, not sure ... we're pretty much out of space, as always
01:53 flint highvoltage, the fact that you did not date the artist is a mystery best left
to history. :^)
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01:54 flint ogra, aw ollie just a few megs?
01:54 highvoltage flint: perhaps she dated someone else at TSF at that stage ;)
01:54 highvoltage for just text without images it should be less than 300k
01:54 flint highvoltage, gotta get you out of the computer room more often...
01:54 ogra flint, i cant tell unless i tried ... i need to make a edubuntu-docs package
anyway today ...
01:54 highvoltage ogra: may i help there?
01:55 JaneW ** 5 mins
01:55 flint ogra, what should i do send you a slimmed down tuxlab so you can see if you
can fit it in?
01:55 highvoltage ogra: i'm getting the hang of .deb packages. it seems it's easier than I
always made it out to be.
01:55 ogra highvoltage, its 3 commands and editing a few lines in the rules file to make
an empty package, not really exciting :)
01:55 Yagisan flint: sure, we'll just dump, um - how about edubuntu-desktop for space ?
seriously it can't fit.
01:56 flint JaneW, let jonathan send a debian, could ollie link it to the default url for
firefox?
01:56 JaneW flint: are you in contact with kjcole and jelkner atm?
01:56 flint Yagisan, harsh, but we could just go to icewm or dsl :^)
01:56 ogra flint, i'm not yet sure if i like the idea to ship tuxlabs ltsp 4.1
documentation ... some stuff will break heavily if you use it
01:56 JaneW flint: we *need* to know if/when they are going to be able to finish - else
we'll need to look at considering a Plan B option
JaneW, the position here is that this represents the "box" their
01:57 flint documentation must fit in if it is to be clickable from the default firefox
page.
01:57 JaneW flint: I am still hoping they can pull it off, since they had good ideas and
invested a lot in it
01:57 highvoltage ogra: can i still do it!
01:57 ogra flint, but jsgotangco has the start of a quickguide and we have still 4 weeks
... so that might be finishable in time ...
01:58 flint JaneW, if (wnen) they do then their deathless prose replace the tuxlab book.
and get the default click off of firefox.
01:58 JaneW flint: I don't see the point, we were looking at possibly printing the book
and making it a .pdf etc etc, so why is this suddenly a concern?
JaneW, the book part is fine. while playing with edubuntu in the lab I
01:59 flint noticed that if you have no network connectivity you have no easy access to
any guidance, which is when you need it.
01:59 flint JaneW, jonathan does a serviceable job of a network troubleshooting guide in
the tuxlab book.
01:59 ogra flint, if we ship such a link in edubuntu, we must make sure the webpage is
there the next 5 years ....
02:00 ogra at least in dapper ...
02:00 flint JaneW, maybe these are two separate documentation pieces, i do not know...
02:00 JaneW ogra: 3
02:00 mhz ogra: ooooh, good point (5 years!)
02:00 ogra JaneW, classroom*server*
02:00 highvoltage yes, so no switching from drupal for the next 5 years!
02:00 flint ogra, exactly. this is internal get it running documentation for the server
and workstation install.
02:01 JaneW ogra: ah, yes good point
02:01 JaneW highvoltage: heh
02:01 flint highvoltage, jonathan this is a simple html page clickable from firefox. i
care not for the moin drupal issue in this case.
02:01 mhz highvoltage: 5 years too?
02:01 mhz :(
02:02 mhz :D
02:02 pips1 highvoltage, had to laugh about that!
02:02 flint ogra, how much space for onboard documentation?
02:02 ogra flint, see above
02:02 JaneW ok our time is up
02:02 jsgotangco cool
02:02 JaneW meeting over
02:02 flint ogra, it is not a web page, it is just html that loads as a default..
02:03 jsgotangco ciao
=== JaneW prays please can we have a cookbook ready in time
02:03 flint JaneW, thanks for the excellent meeting.
02:03 JaneW OM