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Meeting March 15, 2006
01:01 JaneW hello 01:01 JaneW Edubuntu Meeting goes check-in now 01:01 JaneW s/goes/goers/ === jelkner is Jeffrey Elkner 01:02 spacey hi 01:02 JaneW hi ogra, kjcole, jelkner, pips1_away, highvoltage, Yagisan, spacey 01:02 ogra hi 01:02 JaneW is flint joining us today? === Yagisan waves hello === freeflying-ibook [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:03 JaneW ok let's hit it === ogra twiddles thumbs ... 01:03 JaneW jelkner: you here for long? 01:03 jelkner 30 minutes 01:03 JaneW can we start with tech, or do we need to start with docs? 01:04 jelkner then students come 01:04 ogra tech update: made flight 5 :) thats all 01:04 JaneW ok docs first 01:04 kjcole hi all 01:04 JaneW ogra: you not getting off that lightly! :P 01:04 ogra my ubuntu tasks are taking all my time currently ... 01:04 jelkner things are moving forward with the cookbook 01:04 JaneW jelkner: \o/ 01:04 ogra JaneW, i didnt do more :) 01:04 jelkner and now we have an extra 6 weeks, yes? === flint [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:04 JaneW is the 6 weeks decided yet? 01:05 JaneW I don't think so 01:05 ogra jelkner, we're discussing a 6 week delay, if and only if we would do that, the doc deadline would move 01:05 JaneW but I missed the TB last night 01:05 ogra TB had nothing to decide 01:05 jelkner i thought that was discussed yesterday 01:05 JaneW there hasn;t been a definite call either way yet AFAIK 01:05 JaneW jelkner: it was discussed 01:05 ogra we made the proposal for a new schedule *if* we postpone 01:05 JaneW at length 01:05 JaneW the decision is still pending though 01:06 ogra (we == TB in that case) 01:06 jelkner for edubuntu that would be *great* 01:06 ogra nope 01:06 ogra not really 01:06 flint JaneW, I will find out. 01:06 JaneW it's a fairly strong possibility though 01:06 jelkner yes, really 01:06 JaneW we can not change our goals 01:06 ogra edubuntu is ready and on track for releasing april 20th 01:06 jelkner a june yearly release is what we need 01:06 JaneW no new features will be accepted 01:06 ogra there is nothing i can do anyway ... 01:06 jelkner i understand 01:06 jelkner but the june release date would be better for the future 01:06 JaneW only exceptions for thing that were meant to be in anyway, like espresso and l10n 01:07 ogra the freezes will stay (apart from ui freeze for polish) so there is not much edubuntu gains 01:07 JaneW jelkner: it's a once of change 01:07 JaneW s/of/off 01:07 JaneW it would be back to April next year 01:07 ogra and it will only this one release that will change it 01:07 jelkner why? 01:07 ogra the dapper+1 release will be back on schedule for oct 01:07 flint this will give use time to make "dapper docs" :^) 01:07 JaneW flint: yes it would 01:07 ogra so in fact its very bad, since we wont likely get localdevices in oct either 01:08 jelkner why april? 01:08 ogra (time for dapper+1 is to short for big changes) 01:08 jelkner for edubuntu, a june release is *much* better 01:08 JaneW ok we can't argue whether it should or shouldn't happen - here. The town halls were held, and the TB and CC will weigh in and a decision will be made 01:08 ogra jelkner, yes. but its ontly a one tier 01:08 JaneW we will have to deal with it either way 01:08 ogra and cripples the next release 01:08 ogra *timer === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:09 Yagisan jelkner: edubuntu is married to the ubuntu release. It can't get divorced. 01:09 spacey can we get back to the cookbook stuff? :p 01:09 jelkner i understand 01:09 JaneW ogra: unless you have time to start on it pre Dapper release? But I guess not, since you get sucked into ubuntu work? 01:09 ogra from a ubuntu perspective its fine, from an edubuntu perspective i'm very unhappy 01:09 jelkner so i was hoping this june thing would become permanent 01:09 ogra JaneW, yep 01:09 JaneW jelkner: well it won't - sorry 01:09 ogra see my tech update above :) 01:09 JaneW ok so back to the cookbook 01:09 JaneW we MAY havenmore time 01:09 ogra screensaver will draw my time the next weeks .. 01:10 JaneW which will assist with completeing the cookbook 01:10 spacey i think we need another call for more writers. 01:10 spacey jelkner: that cookbook worksheet still has emty status columns. 01:10 JaneW we can;t count on it until the decision is made though... 01:10 spacey quite hard to determine what has to be done 01:10 JaneW jelkner: you said it is going well...? 01:10 ogra if we postpone, i might have spare time after april 20th ... 01:10 jelkner yes, we have recipes on backup 01:10 flint edubuntu may be married to ubuntu, but ubuntu is staying out late... we do not know it may become permanent. 01:11 ogra flint, it wont 01:11 ogra we know 01:11 JaneW jelkner: cookbook update please... 01:11 jelkner and another one coming on content filtering 01:11 ogra flint, instead dapper+1 will only have 4.5 months for development 01:11 jelkner and one more on multimedia stuff in the works 01:11 ogra and we'll have to cut down features a lot 01:11 spacey jelkner: what software do you offer in the content filtering? 01:12 JaneW jelkner: another what on content filtering? I don't follow? 01:12 jelkner squid guard and dan's guardian 01:12 spacey JaneW: cookbook part 01:12 JaneW jelkner: oh recipes 01:12 jelkner yes, recipes 01:12 JaneW great, sounds good :) 01:12 spacey but the basic ingredients are still not there 01:12 jelkner spacey ? 01:12 JaneW jelkner: is the end in sight yet? or is the task still monumental? 01:12 spacey the basic stuff 01:12 spacey of the cookbook 01:12 ogra what is the backup one using ? 01:12 spacey is missing 01:13 flint spacey, yes, but the concept is there! === ogra hopes not mondo/mindi 01:13 jelkner JaneW: the "end" of a cookbook is *never* reached ;-) 01:13 spacey its really fancy you write up stuff like content filtering but if you dont cover proper installation i think you miss your point 01:13 jelkner we just keep collecting recipes as we go 01:13 JaneW jelkner: that's encouraging ;) 01:13 JaneW jelkner: sounds like a Harry Potter book :P 01:13 flint ogra, i agree that mondo/mindi is a bit rough... but what are the alternatives? 01:13 jelkner lol 01:13 JaneW jelkner: but we get to a 'can be published' point at some stage I hope? 01:14 spacey https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet <-- still empty 01:14 JaneW spacey: good point 01:14 flint JaneW, you knew I would get my HP licks into this eh? 01:14 jelkner JaneW: me, too, but let's cross that bridge when we come to it 01:14 ogra flint, jelkner, sivang is developing a backup tool that should hit universe these days and will be the official backup solution for dapper+1 01:14 ogra please talk to him 01:14 JaneW jelkner: I was just wondering if we know how far away that bridge is...? 01:14 JaneW ogra: if mdz allows it in. It's a bit late. 01:14 ogra JaneW, universe 01:15 JaneW ogra: yup 01:15 flint ogra, that is worth knowing, thanks. got any info or a url beyond this? 01:15 ogra mondo/mindi is nothing i like to have in the cookbook 01:15 jelkner JaneW: as you can see from what ogra just said, we are writing a desciption of a moving target 01:15 ogra it requires to compile kernel stuff and uses incompatible kernels 01:15 jelkner i'm not so sure publication off the web is such a good idea 01:15 jelkner things change too fast 01:15 ogra nothing we should do to teachers 01:15 spacey dapper doesn't change 01:15 jelkner an on the web cookbook is more useful because it is easier to keep up to date 01:16 flint ogra, one of the most unsettling things abou the cookbook, it that it is there for the users, and many parts will not please developers. 01:16 ogra jelkner, moving target ? the backup spec was developed in motreal ... 01:16 spacey flint: what part will not please developers? 01:16 jelkner ogra: is that ready to go now? 01:16 JaneW flint: I don't see that as a problem 01:16 ogra flint, mondo/mindi is a high level administrator tool ... nothing for teachers/user 01:16 JaneW I think the book is more for the users 01:16 jelkner we can only write "recipes" for what works 01:16 ogra jelkner, please talk to sivang 01:17 JaneW devs know how to find and ask for info 01:17 JaneW users don;t, so an compiled book for them to read is best for them 01:17 flint ogra, I am on sivang, how do I dig him up? 01:17 jelkner ogra: what is sivang's email? 01:17 ogra flint, he is on IL time, usually in #ubuntu-devel 01:17 spacey jelkner: i don't see any moving targets or stuff that doesn't work at all in the cookbookworksheet. but its still almost empty 01:17 kjcole should we be writing the cookboook to specs? was the backup spec in montreal targeted at dapper or dapper+1? 01:18 jelkner spacey: than pick a recipe and write it! ;-) 01:18 spacey jelkner: i did 01:18 jelkner good 01:18 ogra jelkner, flint, firstname.lastname@example.org 01:18 jelkner thanks! 01:18 spacey but i can't write all 01:18 flint excellent 01:18 jelkner that's how the cookbook will get filled in 01:18 jelkner spacey: indeed 01:18 jelkner you can only do what you have time for 01:18 jelkner this is a volunteer effort 01:19 JaneW jelkner: agreed 01:19 jelkner so we can only take what comes 01:19 spacey kjcole, jelkner i remember last week you wanted to fill in the status column of the worksheet so we have a better understanding of the status and the work to be done 01:19 ogra even if the tool isnt ready, please dont promote mondo/mindi as a default (its good to have it in a *very advanced* section thjough) 01:19 jelkner spacey: yes, we couldn't meet last sunday 01:19 JaneW jelkner: it would help to have the status column populated, can you do that? 01:19 flint ogra, the nice thing abou this user cookbook framework is that ther is a plug-ability to it. unplug one reciepe and plug in another... 01:19 spacey jelkner: when that status stuff is there its easier to ask other people to contribute since its more clean what still needs to be done 01:20 jelkner ogra: we feel some solution is better than none, even if it is not ideal 01:20 JaneW jelkner: it would help for volunteers wanting to help to see where input is needed 01:20 jelkner the cookbook is aimed at end users 01:20 kjcole That's why the worksheet is there. 01:20 JaneW jelkner: yes I agree 01:20 flint when sivan has a receipe that works we put it in the cookbook. 01:20 jelkner it could provide solutions that are not really ready for prime time, but which are essential to solviing folks problems in the present 01:21 JaneW jelkner: can you and kjcole fill in the status? or send it to me in a mail and I can do it on the wiki... 01:21 jelkner so it will change as better solutions come available jelkner, flint, the default reciepe should be a good explanation to set up 01:21 ogra tar/cronjobs/cdrecord and some scripts ... please dont provide users with rocket science if they only need a bycicle 01:21 jelkner kjcole: can we agree to do that this weekend? 01:21 ogra i agree that mondo/mindi is a good thing for people who are unix admins since some years 01:22 jelkner ogra: you don't need to fear that 01:22 ogra great :) 01:22 kjcole jelkner, sounds good 01:22 jelkner one big advantage i have is that i'm not nearly smart enough for rocket science 01:22 JaneW I would say the point of the cookbook is to 1) Help USERS to understand Edubuntu, and how it is set up and works and 01:22 jelkner if i can understand, chances are most other people can too 01:22 JaneW 2) to reduce the support requirements, but fullfilling point #1 01:22 ogra JaneW, but since some of our users need to be the admins as well, it gets a bit blurry === pips1 finally caught up with the discussion 01:23 pips1 hi 01:23 JaneW ogra: true, but admins may not need it 01:23 ogra so we should provide the easiest ways to achieve the tasks ... 01:23 JaneW ogra: someone who KNOWS can always find the info elsewhere, so if the info is a bit beneither them it's ok 01:23 JaneW we can't cater for everyone 01:23 ogra yep === Klaidas [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:24 JaneW ok, so with all that said, is it going ok jelkner and kjcole ? 01:24 jelkner yes 01:24 jelkner i think it is 01:24 JaneW excellent! Thank-you :) 01:25 JaneW I have faith that it's going to ROCK 01:25 jelkner cya next week then, same time, same channel... 01:25 JaneW thanks 01:25 JaneW bye 01:25 Yagisan kjcole: jelkner: need some docs on securing edubuntu ? 01:25 jelkner Yagisan: how do you mean? 01:26 kjcole Yagisan, if written with teachers in mind, sure. Why not? (Just keep the intended audience in mind. Many who may be a bit timid about Linux.) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:26 Yagisan jelkner: securing against malicious users etc. I can't find server security in your cookbook draft 01:26 ogra jelkner, Yagisan is security cionsultant 01:26 spacey Yagisan: i don't think the Edubuntu cookbook can go much further then setting proper limits.conf 01:27 JaneW Yagisan: thanks for offer to help, can you and jelkner discuss in #e or the mailing list? 01:27 Yagisan I can assist with basic documentation in that area === rgomes [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 01:27 Yagisan I'll be in #edubuntu If you'd like it 01:27 JaneW Yagisan: any doc help would be greatfully accepted 01:27 flint Yagisan, my deepest condolences on your profession of being a security consultant. I have don this. 01:27 JaneW gratefully too 01:27 jelkner great, now i need to get ready for the arrival of the munchgins... 01:28 JaneW ok, so flight 5 is out 01:28 JaneW how's it looking? 01:28 flint ogra, what is the url for flight 5? I would like to test it. 01:29 pips1 flint, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu 01:29 JaneW ogra: did the announcement page get updated? 01:29 ogra flint, the latest link to a dev release is always in the #edubuntu channel topic 01:30 ogra JaneW, there were not enough noticeable changes imho, and Mithrandir already covered edubuntu in his announcement === pips1 updated the links in the above wiki page 01:30 flint pips1, thanks, I just did not have it handy, Olli, I had a feeling you had it in the same place... 01:30 ogra flint, if i release a flight i update the topic immediately 01:30 ogra so safest is to look there 01:30 JaneW ogra: I saw Mithrandir's announcement linked to edubuntu too 01:30 ogra yep 01:31 flint ogra, gotcha, and now i see it. 01:31 JaneW ok === theoddon1 [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:31 JaneW ogra: so there aren't many changes 01:31 kjcole flint also http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-5/ 01:31 JaneW bug fixes? 01:31 pips1 ogra, re flight5, did you mainly fix that manual update ssh keys step, or where there other changes too? === licio [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:32 ogra JaneW, only small ones and the one that required you to run ltsp-update-sshkeys after install .... 01:32 ogra so currently it should work as breezy did ... 01:32 ogra wrt install 01:32 JaneW ok 01:32 flint ogra, do you think that will fix the login bug? 01:32 ogra it does 01:33 JaneW what else need to be done? 01:33 flint ogra, excellent!!! 01:33 ogra artwork 01:33 JaneW are you more or less done with the dev now? 01:33 ogra i need some days time to jump on the artwork 01:33 JaneW you mentioned colours not working well...? 01:33 ogra yes, only bugfixing ... 01:33 JaneW ogra: cool, well done 01:33 ogra they are still adjusted in ubuntu, lets see what comes out 01:34 pips1 ogra, are the bugfixes mainly stuff that can be seen in launchpad, or do you have a list of bugs of your own? 01:34 ogra i get ltsp fixes from debian, our ltsp package was added to debian testing yesterday 01:34 ogra thats very helpful ... 01:34 JaneW ogra: ok, just keep an eye on it, cos breezy edubuntu looked good (even if a small minority doesn't think so), so we need to make sure we are distinctive 01:35 ogra pips1, usually i encounter the bugs locally and fix them immediately :) 01:35 pips1 ic 01:35 ogra pips1, there are only 2 or 3 user reported bugs in LP 01:35 ogra (for ltsp) 01:35 JaneW ogra: not sure if that is efficient or lazy ;) 01:35 JaneW *joking* 01:36 pips1 JaneW, give that man a break! 01:36 ogra JaneW, very efficient, but it misses out user bugs ... but unless i get reports i have nothing to fix 01:36 pips1 ah! 01:36 JaneW ogra: agreed 01:36 flint ogra, how is malone working out on your end? 01:36 JaneW pips1: I think he knows it was said in jest :) 01:36 ogra so either ltsp is perfectly bugfree or users are shy :) === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:36 pips1 ok, sure :-) 01:36 ogra flint, great using it daily 01:36 flint ogra, or no one is testing... 01:37 flint ogra, that is what I thought... no more bugzilla at all. === JaneW was a little concerned about Burgrundavia's comments, but that's a bit OT 01:37 ogra since bugzilla is nonexistent it would be hard to use it :) 01:37 JaneW ogra: I think we must post more calls for testing on the mailing list 01:38 flint It is out there, just not for this. 01:38 JaneW speaking of which we need to discuss the mailing list name 01:38 ogra lets just call it edubuntu ... 01:38 pips1 ogra, +1 01:38 JaneW does everyone agree we should change the 'edubuntu-devel' list to 'edubuntu' 01:38 spacey yup 01:38 JaneW ok, so how does that happen? 01:39 JaneW as per that mail to the list? 01:39 ogra JaneW, jdub === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:39 ogra he needs to create the new one ... then we need to subscribe everyone from -devl to it 01:39 JaneW does everyone have to update their saved address only? 01:39 jdub change or add a new list? 01:39 ogra then we can delete -devel 01:39 ogra jdub, name channge 01:39 jdub would it be useful to keep devel for those discussions? 01:40 JaneW jdub: the proposal is to change 'edubuntu-devel' list to 'edubuntu' 01:40 ogra we want it to be edubuntu instead of edubuntu-devel 01:40 JaneW since ppl are scared to post on 'devel' 01:40 spacey and its not really a devel channel anyway :p 01:40 jdub the rough standard we currently have would suggest edubuntu-users - how's that? 01:40 ogra jdub, not really the terffic is low enough for both ... 01:40 JaneW and it's an all purpose list as our community is small still 01:40 kjcole +1 edubuntu-devel -> edubuntu 01:40 ogra jdub, it shall cover devel as well as users, so calling it -users might be confudsing 01:41 JaneW jdub: we would splity into devel and users if the traffic grows enough to warrant it. 01:41 JaneW ogra: you and I have the same speed-typing bug ;) 01:41 ogra heh 01:42 JaneW jdub: so what's the verdict? 01:42 pips1 I'd like to talk a bit about the website... 01:42 JaneW pips1: yes, that's on my list ok, can i suggest we create an edubuntu-users list, subscribe everyone to it, and 01:43 jdub you guys can carry out most discussion there, until you need to start pushing stuff over to -devel? i don't want to be doing things out of standard, particularly when it's going to change again (hopefully soon) === pips1 waits for his queue 01:43 JaneW jdub: ok, I can live with that 01:43 JaneW ogra: ?^ 01:43 ogra hmm === jdub tries very hard to keep consistency :-) 01:44 ogra does it really need to be -users ? 01:44 pips1 hmm too 01:44 ogra ok, then i'd opt for having -users and -devel rather 01:44 JaneW ++ 01:44 ogra even if it doesnt make sense with the amount of traffic 01:45 JaneW ogra: we can push them to the same mail folder... 01:45 ogra sure ogra: by not doing -users, it means we're inconsistent now, and when you decide to 01:45 jdub split, it's far less likely that people would want to rename, so we'd be permanently inconsistent :) 01:45 spacey you gonna subscribe everyone on both lists? 01:45 spacey or move everyone to users 01:45 JaneW spacey: hrm... 01:45 spacey and let them subscribe to devel again?:P 01:45 JaneW yup, move everyone to users and let ppl sub to devel if they want to... 01:45 jdub (kubuntu had both lists to start too) 01:45 ogra spacey, everyone to both and leave it up to them to unsubscribe from one ? 01:46 jdub ogra: yeah, i think it's easier to do that 01:46 ogra yep 01:46 spacey yeah probably best 01:46 JaneW I prefer my way, else well get dozens of 'take me off this list' mails 01:46 ogra it will break mail filters though .. 01:46 spacey they subscribed to devel anyway 01:46 spacey :) 01:46 jdub JaneW: oh, later on when e-d starts being used? 01:46 JaneW whatever 01:46 ogra can we postpone the decision ? 01:47 JaneW jdub: we'll mail you :) 01:47 ogra and ask on the list for the preferred methiod ? 01:47 jdub heh, ok 01:47 JaneW jdub: thanks for the input === JaneW cues pips1 01:47 pips1 ok === leonel [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:47 pips1 highvoltage is on the ball the design/theme === theoddon1 [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting  01:48 pips1 I am working on the content structure 01:48 pips1 the basic idea is that we want to be very inviting for non-geeks 01:49 pips1 I wrote up some ideas about the subject a while ago: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunityIntegration 01:49 JaneW pips1: I saw what highvoltage had done yesterday, looking nice 01:49 JaneW I agree with your idea 01:49 ogra JaneW, have you also checkeed pips1s example setup ? 01:50 ogra its very good 01:50 JaneW it needs to be encouraging and non-threatening and very intuitive drupal is a very flexible tool... there are many things you can do... but I would 01:50 pips1 like to start it "small" and only grow as needed, instead of offering too much functionality to confuse user unnecessarily 01:50 JaneW ogra: briefly yes :) 01:50 JaneW pips1: yes, agreed 01:50 pips1 one thing that's on my mind 01:50 pips1 newbies are very happy to use forums 01:50 JaneW yes 01:51 JaneW BUT 01:51 JaneW they need moderation 01:51 pips1 I remember someone mentioned that they will create a new forum for edubuntu over at ubuntuforums 01:51 JaneW and we can;t expect ogra to provide support there as well... 01:51 pips1 JaneW, yes, that's what I am getting at 01:51 spacey hook it up to the mailinglist? 01:51 spacey like they did with others 01:51 JaneW ok, I'll back off ;) 01:52 ogra JaneW, you wont get me reading/using a forum :) 01:52 JaneW ogra: good :P 01:52 spacey didn't they hook up ubuntu-users with a forum? 01:53 ogra the prob is that people with only halfbrewed knowledge often give wrong help in forums (at least i see that in the ubuntu forums) so I wonder: we could have a forum on the new edubuntu site, but keep the 01:53 pips1 discussion on non-technical subjects, ie everything that has to do with the operating system, desktop, blablabla will be in the ubuntuforums, BUT we could have some "educational" topic on the edubuntu website forum, what do you think? 01:53 Yagisan ogra: so polite 01:53 ogra and that dves very seldom handg around in forums to fix that 01:53 spacey say again? :) 01:53 ogra Yagisan, yes, i'm biund to the CoC, you know :P 01:53 flint ogra, one of the great un-answered issues is the idea of developoer-support before you can think about user-support... 01:53 ogra *bound === Klaidas [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting  01:54 ogra flint, thats what edubuntu-devel was thought for 01:54 pips1 ? 01:54 ogra on a sidenote and a bit OT, edubuntu was on german TV last week :) http://22.214.171.124/cebit.avi 01:54 JaneW pips1: might be good for edu content discussions and curriculum stuff and sharing... === pips1 thinks that his idea went past everyone's head 01:54 pips1 :-) 01:55 flint ogra, I understand, did it work? or do you have random people giving out bad advice on the edubuntu channels? 01:55 ogra pips1, thats why we called it -devel first place 01:55 JaneW pips1: did you see my comment? 01:55 pips1 JaneW, that's what i was thinking... but there are already other site that are very dedicated to educational topics too... 01:55 JaneW pips1: and ppl can discuss the latest edu app they found etc 01:55 ogra flint, i'm observing the ML and #edubuntu and #edubuntu-de very closely ... only if one slips through so ... 01:55 JaneW pips1: yes but our users may not know them... 01:56 flint ogra, you are like hercules at the gate. but even you have to sleep. 01:56 flint ogra, that is no solution. 01:56 ogra sadly, yes 01:56 pips1 JaneW, yes, maybe that should be the focus on our "own" forum, what edu *apps* do they want to see in edubuntu... 01:57 flint ogra, we need a command "apt-make ogra-clones" === ogra looks for his caffeine drip 01:57 JaneW ogra: that's ubuntu not edubuntu :P 01:57 Mez JaneW, surely it wouldnt be too hard to link to other forums regarding curriculum etc etc? === valis [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:57 spacey nice video fragment :) 01:57 ogra :) 01:57 flint spacey, where? 01:57 spacey <ogra> on a sidenote and a bit OT, edubuntu was on german TV last week :) http://126.96.36.199/cebit.avi 01:57 spacey german is so cute 01:58 ogra i like when they say "response from schools is appreciated and expected" :) 01:58 pips1 Mez, yes, we just provide links to dedicated sites, and keep the stuff on our site relevant to Education + Edubuntu, that's what I was thinking === Riddell likes how that video has KDE logos in the background 01:58 ogra hehe 01:58 spacey pips1: yeah thats great 01:58 spacey pips1: no need to duplicate ubuntu stuff 01:58 ogra Riddell, so where are the Kedubuntu people ... i want to drop kdeedu :) 01:58 Mez Riddell, I was thinking that 01:59 Mez lol - kedubuntu sounds like a headache waiting to happen 01:59 pips1 so, do people think that an integrated forum on the new edubuntu site is something we want? 01:59 spacey pips1: you can always do it later 01:59 Seveas Edkubuntu 01:59 ogra pips1, nope, but its something users will like :) 02:00 JaneW ah now that I have the WHOLE clip I see edubuntu ;) 02:00 ogra i think our audience is pretty different from the general ubuntu forum users 02:00 flint cebit is big time... 02:00 ogra so i think it makes sense to have our own forum 02:00 kjcole should be kid-ubuntu, and you could even have a superhero / cowboy 'Look! It's Kid Ubuntu!' 02:00 kjcole ;-) 02:00 JaneW or id oubuntu 02:00 pips1 ogra, right 02:00 spacey ogra: which kind of end-users do you want to target it at. the endusers that deploy edubuntu or the end-end users who actually use it. 02:01 JaneW kjcole: I like it! 02:01 ogra the teachers ... the students ... 02:01 Mez spacey - or the end-end-end users (the kids) 02:01 pips1 so ogra, would you mind checking in on our "own" forum then? against what you said before in general regarding forums? ;-) 02:01 spacey ok thats great 02:01 spacey so really no technical stuff then 02:01 spacey besides some openoffice tips and tricks 02:01 ogra spacey, support ... 02:01 spacey and some tips for linux games 02:01 flint JaneW, you neve liked my Harry Potter/ magic thing, i think you are playing kevin as your favorite... 02:01 spacey :P 02:01 ogra that will include tech stuff 02:02 spacey ogra: but end-end users don't do that stuff 02:02 flint spacey, I think they are receipes... 02:02 Mez pips1, see /query 02:02 ogra pips1, i'll have to fight me into it i guess 02:02 JaneW flint: it was your handicapped duck I didn't like! 02:02 ogra spacey, ? 02:02 spacey ogra: the end users who use edubuntu daily dont do techinal stuff 02:02 flint JaneW, that cut, very deep, my art rep is gone! 02:02 flint \:^) 02:03 JaneW ok our official time is up 02:03 spacey the guy or girl who administrators the edubuntu machine does 02:03 ogra spacey, but the teachers using it might have tech questions 02:03 pips1 sorry, guys, i need to run, I have a meeting! 02:03 flint thanks all. 02:03 pips1 good input though, thanks! 02:03 JaneW pips1: ok thanks, I think a small forum is good 02:03 ogra spacey, and the students might rather have app related ones 02:03 JaneW we still need to decide what to put in it though 02:03 flint Yagisan, we might want to talk security. email email@example.com 02:03 pips1 cu next wed 02:03 JaneW ty 02:03 Mez ogra: you have the people who set it up and admin it - the teachers and the pupils/students 02:03 ogra ciao pips1 and thanks 02:03 spacey ogra: hmm yeah and i forget you can also do desktop installs 02:03 JaneW thanks everyone