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Meeting March 22, 2006
01:01 ogra lets wait for the US to show up ... 01:02 spacey JaneW: here already? 01:02 ogra Seveas, moved to monday 01:02 ogra nope, JaneW cant attend in the beginning 01:02 Seveas that explains the sudden disappearance of it 01:02 Seveas ok, I'll shut up 01:02 ogra she's at school meeting a teacher 01:02 spacey ah ok === ogra taps his foot for flint ... === flint [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:03 ogra ah 01:03 flint ogra, you are bad people to hold meetings this early. 01:03 pips1 hi flint 01:03 ogra its early afternoon here, donno what you mean :P === kjcole [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:03 spacey at least my point for the meeting is that the worksheet got neglected again === pips1 munches on his lunch 01:03 flint good morning from the frozen north... 01:04 ogra morning flint :) 01:04 ogra hey kjcole 01:04 flint the coffee pot is a cold memory. 01:04 jsgotangco good evening from beer laden asia 01:04 ogra heh 01:04 ogra so lets start ... 01:04 flint jsgotangco, beer laden, sounds like a terrorist! 01:04 flint :^) === jelkner [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:05 kjcole hi all. My ISP is in flakey-land again, so I might disappear without warning. 01:05 flint kjcole, hey kevin, thanks for your help 01:05 ogra on the tech side, i worked a lot on the edubuntu-artwork package last week, we have our own gtk theme and i included a tango based icon theme for the "plain" flavour 01:05 pips1 ogra, what happened to highvoltage, do you know? 01:05 ogra no idea, sorry === pips1 shuts up and listens 01:06 ogra that gets us in the position to drop ubuntu-artwork from the CD 01:06 jsgotangco ogra: do we still have space? 01:06 ogra through my additions we loose 2Mb ... 01:06 jsgotangco eeekkk 01:06 jsgotangco there's goes my doc in svn 01:06 ogra through dropping ubuntu-artwork we win 6MB :) 01:07 ogra so the overall gain from this are 4 meg :) 01:07 flint ogra, fine work. 01:07 ogra if you run dapper, please update to the latest edubuntu-artwork and give some feedback 01:08 jsgotangco ogra: will a daily work for me? 01:08 ogra i'm sure there are still enough bugs in it to hunt 01:08 spacey i will 01:08 spacey ogra: i installed the edubuntu artwork 01:08 spacey but i didn't get any theme 01:08 ogra the dailies are broken until the next gwm upload 01:08 spacey only the font changed 01:08 flint ogra, think if legislatures and governments had the limitation you had when they drafted laws...or tax policy. 01:08 jsgotangco hmmmm 01:08 ogra gdm currently depends on ubuntu-artwork ... that makes the dailies oversized 01:08 flint so flight 5 works an the daily works tomorrow eh? 01:09 ogra flint, i'm not sure when seb128 planned the next gdm upload 01:09 jsgotangco flight5 works fine 01:09 jsgotangco you'll just have to update it 01:09 ogra but its a trivial change, i can probably do myself 01:09 ogra yes, flight5 should work fine 01:10 ogra note that the artwork still doesnt have the final wallpaper work 01:10 flint ogra, been busy, will load flight 5 this week. 01:10 jsgotangco ogra: i understand correctly, we're not using oour pumpking colors? the defaul wallpaper will be selected by canonical, for the "young" flavor, jane and 01:11 ogra highvoltage are in contact with the aouthor of the pic we selected in one of the last meetings 01:11 ogra jsgotangco, exactly ... 01:11 jsgotangco fair enough ogra: something else on the tech side, we had some bugs with willow but author doesn't 01:12 spacey respond to mail. Makes it a bit less interesting for future inclusion. Although I didn't attempt any further contact yet. 01:12 ogra i have seen some suggestions from the design agency and based our theme on that ... the pumpking colors looked horrible with the edubuntu orange ... 01:12 ogra spacey, hey, its opensource ... worst we'll for it ;) 01:12 spacey yup 01:12 spacey true 01:12 spacey :) === Lure [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:13 ogra i have to look very deep into the code anyway ogra: my conern here would be on disc space on the install cd because i currently have a 01:13 jsgotangco document with screenshots, i'm not sure of the exact size yet so if you'd like an edubuntu specific doc in the cd space would be a concern 01:13 ogra if we want to get rid of the multiverse dependency 01:13 ogra jsgotangco, yes, it is 01:13 spacey we encountered some bug that makes a few of the threads go beserk, 01:13 kjcole ogra, I got the impression that a lot looked bad with the orange, and people were saying "change the orange". 01:13 spacey i loved the orange 01:14 jsgotangco because it still mixes with the brown palettes 01:14 ogra kjcole, we have our own independent theme now ... 01:14 jsgotangco that's why it doesn't jive 01:14 jsgotangco but if you use pumpkin with gartoon, it'll look more like puke 01:14 spacey :> 01:15 kjcole (I wouldn't know because I installed edubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop on top of it... Haven't flipped over to the GNOME side of things recently.) 01:15 ogra ah 01:16 ogra ok, thats it from the tech side ... oh, btw, i just looked, yesterdays liveCD seems not oversized ... you might try that one for checking the theme ... 01:16 kjcole New slogan "Puke: A theme for teenage boys." 01:16 spacey in what package does that edubuntu theme and garnome reside? 01:16 flint kjcole, lol 01:16 spacey not it edubuntu-artwork it seems 01:17 ogra spacey, edubuntu-artwork and gartoon-icon-theme 01:17 jsgotangco ive said my piece 01:17 spacey ah 01:17 jsgotangco my concern is disc space 01:17 jsgotangco if not, i'm satisified as a universe package 01:17 ogra we could save 8Mb by dropping firefox :) 01:17 jsgotangco would you? 01:17 ogra in favor of epiphany ? 01:17 flint ogra, harsh, very harsh :^) 01:17 jsgotangco it's still moz 01:18 jsgotangco i'd use epi anytime 01:18 ogra (which is only 2MB big and has its translations already installed) === jsgotangco acutally favors epi 01:18 ogra i dont favor either one ... 01:18 spacey ogra: i am in favour of epiphany :) 01:18 spacey :P 01:18 spacey gonna switch our terminal server this week 01:18 spacey and see how the users like it 01:19 jsgotangco ogra: would it be an issue if we drop something like firefox? 01:19 spacey but doesn' epiphany still depend on firefox? 01:19 ogra jsgotangco, i guess so ... 01:19 ogra nope, 01:19 ogra but yelp does, argh ! 01:19 spacey ok thats great 01:19 spacey oh :p 01:19 ogra damned 01:19 ogra so we cant drop it 01:19 spacey maybe for dapper+1 :) === Lure [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] 01:19 ogra yeah 01:20 ogra dropping ff *and* its translation packages would gain us a *lot* 01:20 spacey :) 01:20 ogra ok, and other doc news ? 01:20 ogra s/and/any/ 01:21 spacey i finished up the hardware requirements 01:21 jsgotangco ogra: but yelp relies on it 01:21 spacey for the cookbook 01:21 jsgotangco i think ooo relies on it too 01:21 flint ogra, sadly the way of this is to shave and prune, which is time consuming. I like firefox. 01:21 spacey and the worksheet still didn't get any attention 01:21 ogra jsgotangco, i'm sure both would be fine with only libnspr ... 01:21 spacey https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/HardwareRequirements 01:21 ogra they need gecko, but not all of firefox 01:21 spacey if someone can check it out for comments === ogra looks 01:22 spacey needs some extra love i think 01:22 spacey but the main point is there 01:22 ogra wow 01:22 ogra i run 300MHz 64MB clients over here 01:22 ogra :) 01:22 spacey :P 01:22 spacey little details 01:22 spacey :) 01:23 ogra you should add a minimal specs section :) 01:23 spacey whats minimal 01:23 spacey 100mhz and 16mb of ram? 01:23 ogra but apart from that, very nice !! 01:23 ogra nope+ 01:23 flint spacey, nice page 01:23 ogra 233MHz and 48MB i'd say 01:23 spacey ok 01:23 spacey i'll add that 01:23 ogra thats the absolute minimum 01:24 spacey another thing 01:24 ogra tested are, as i said, 300 and 64 01:24 spacey does ltsp over ssh takes the same amount of network as normal LSTP (without compression)? 01:24 ogra i heard it should take less than X transport I've got some horrible notes that I'm working on under "Getting Started". It's a jumble 01:25 kjcole trying to explain hubs, switches, and routers to the unwashed masses -- and I'm one of the unwashed. 01:25 ogra (but i have not measured it at all) 01:25 ogra kjcole, sounds great :) 01:25 kjcole It's kind of my notes as I learn about those "thingies" that are between my computer and the wall. 01:25 flint spacey, might want to say something about video card and network cards... 01:26 ogra i guess you all got that the release is delayed to july 1st 01:26 ogra so we'll have some extra time for docs (just no space) 01:26 spacey flint: like what? 01:26 spacey besides get an PXE one 01:26 kjcole ogra, From the resident atheist: "Praise be" 01:26 ogra heh 01:27 kjcole ogra (re: July 1. The gods have smiled.) 01:27 ogra spacey, you should use a videocard with less than 2MB 01:27 flint spacey, talk about the famous rom-o-matic, and link to supported (or unsupported) video cards. 01:27 ogra (thats the least for 1024x786@16bit) 01:27 spacey ogra: more then 2mb ?:) 01:27 kjcole But, July 1 is the RELEASE date... when's the last time we can hand in our homework and hope it will be graded? 01:28 spacey and you mean june 1st no july right? 01:28 ogra nope 01:28 spacey oh 01:28 ogra err 01:28 ogra yes, indeed 01:28 ogra 6-06 :) 01:28 spacey so 1st of june 2006 01:28 spacey :) 01:28 spacey to be clear 01:28 ogra yeah, sorry 01:28 spacey :) 01:29 ogra and s/should/shouldnt above indeed 01:29 spacey flint: it links to rom-o-matic already 01:29 spacey flint: i think any video card is supported as long as it does vesa or something 01:29 ogra and apart from the videoram issue, i wouldnt know what else to say about videocards 01:30 jsgotangco i gotta go first 01:30 jsgotangco nice meething though 01:30 jsgotangco ciao 01:30 ogra ciao jsgotangco 01:30 flint spacey, I just did not see the link on the page... 01:31 spacey flint: well i didn't create a link section 01:31 spacey but its in the text 01:31 spacey ogra: so minimum 2m video ram? 01:31 ogra yep 01:31 spacey recommended video ram? 01:31 ogra 4 ? 01:31 ogra dunno 01:31 spacey i have no idea either. never had problems with it 01:32 flint ogra, is it a min of 2 meg or a usable max or 2 megs ram? 01:32 ogra but do you have cards with less than 2m ? 01:32 ogra flint, min 2 meg 01:32 flint ogra, if you want to talk trident I can talk trident. 01:32 flint :^) 01:32 ogra heh 01:33 spacey anything that does more then 256 colours and less then 2mb video ram? 01:33 ogra not at 1024x786 === lbm [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:33 spacey :) 01:33 flint spacey, the problem I run into is that the video card will boot in a resolution that is higher than the cheezy monitor I have hanging on a random box and it will not lock. 01:33 ogra which is the resolution we default to if nothing can be detected ... 01:34 spacey :> 01:34 ogra flint, then you need to use lts.conf to configure it 01:34 flint ogra, the ticket here is to tell the system <ctrl> <alt> - to drop or get a better monitor, so there is a montitor spec eh? 01:35 flint ogra, not a great one but the monitor should do 1280 X 1024 or something 01:35 ogra flint, i havent seen any monitors doing that ... in the rare cornercase where it might happen, you can manually adjust it in lts.conf 01:35 flint ogra, should a monitor spec be included? 01:35 ogra there is no monitor spec ... === JaneW sneaks in and sits down quietly 01:36 ogra nope, i dont think so kjcole: jelkner: the edubuntucookbookworksheet still has no status information. If you are 01:36 spacey gonna do it please do it, if you cannot manage to do it then please say so, so that someone else can do it. 01:36 flint ogra, keep in mind client systems are often not leading edge hardware... 01:36 ogra even standard svga monitors will provide the data needed for configuration ... 01:37 flint ogra, ok, I saw it once but I take your word on this. 01:37 spacey jelkner or kjcole still here? 01:37 ogra as i said, you can adjust it in lts.conf, thats what its for 01:38 ogra if you use such hardware, you will expect problems i guess ;) it was never easy to get bad hardware running 01:38 kjcole spacey, still here. though ISP still misbehaving. I'll say I can't manage. 01:39 spacey kjcole: ok, but all available information is in the wiki? or still text somewhere else? 01:39 flint spacey, they are, I am looking at the worksheet, what is it that has not been updated? 01:40 flint https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet 01:40 spacey flint: the status field, which is really convienant 01:40 kjcole I took all the text as it was in Lore and put it into the wiki. So as far as I know, that's the only set of document anyone is updating now. 01:40 spacey especially if someone is interesting in contributing 01:40 spacey i don't have access to that lore thing 01:41 spacey so i just put it in the wiki directly === ozric [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:41 flint spacey, there you have me, I susptect that no one but you and Herman have done anything this week worth posting. 01:41 ozric hail techone 01:41 spacey flint: i am herman 01:41 ozric tech ones* 01:41 ogra spacey, both of you ? 01:41 ogra :) spacey, once I switched everything over, both jelkner and I have been working in the 01:42 kjcole wiki. Since we were the only two doing lore, I think the wiki is now the definitive source. 01:42 flint spacey, sincerely it is hard to stay this confused this much of the time :^) 01:42 spacey kjcole: ok thats good 01:42 spacey anyway if everything is in the wiki 01:42 spacey i'll fix up the status stuff and then call out for some more volunteers to write 01:42 jelkner spacey: i'm still here, but i've got to go soon === theoddone [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:42 flint spacey, I like the wiki, and will update it when I get my lazy ass to contribute something... 01:42 ogra jelkner, any news from your side ? 01:42 spacey if jdub adds me to planet someone might actually read it as well 01:43 jelkner yes 01:43 kjcole spacey, I subscribed to all the pages and had been noticing all the recent activity. Thanx. === spacey will send to mailinglist as well 01:43 jelkner i started reworking the intro chapters now that i have a better understanding of what the cookbook is 01:44 jelkner i'm also working with flint on a recipe for using edubuntu in a multi-lingual environment 01:44 jelkner flint is wrting the recipe 01:44 spacey jelkner: i'll leave to chapters that someone assiged to themselves for what it is for now, but all the rest I will try to get a status thing 01:44 jelkner i'll test it and put it in the book 01:44 ogra you should have a look at lts.conf settings etc as well ... wrt multi-lingual 01:44 jelkner spacy: good 01:44 jelkner flint: you still here? 01:45 jelkner ogra: he has been in touch with you, yes? 01:45 pips1 ogra, cue me re website whenever you feel it's a good moment 01:46 ogra jelkner, yes, and i told him that it will be solved in ltsp in dapper+1 ... 01:46 jelkner fine, but we need a recipe for now 01:46 ogra pips1, ok, added :) 01:46 jelkner that's the kind of thing the cookbook is for 01:46 flint yes i was just screwing up the status page. 01:46 ogra jelkner, might be, but please not in the cookbook 01:46 jelkner ogra: ?? 01:47 ogra you are fiddling with files you should fiddle with (~/.dmrc) 01:47 jelkner what do you mean, not in the cookbook? 01:47 flint ogra, yea buddy... 01:47 ogra it will be solved in a non intrusive way in dapper+1 01:47 ogra please dont add breaking reciepes in the cookbook 01:47 ogra s/should/shouldnt/ 01:48 ogra (seems to be my typo of the day :( ) 01:48 jelkner my understanding of the role of the cookbook is something like "google hacks" from oreilly 01:48 ogra it will be solved in a sane manner 01:48 pips1 ogra, what do you mean by that? === Hirion [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:48 jelkner it will provide solutions to problems that have not been solved in an easy way in the distro yet 01:49 ogra jelkner, then please use the right way and manage it with language packs and tzhe language selector ... thats what they are for 01:49 spacey thats not my understanding of the cookbook 01:49 jelkner spacey: what is your understanding of the cookbook? 01:49 pips1 ogra, what would a 'breaking recipe' be? 01:49 ogra we have tools to achieve what you want, dont reinvent the wheel ... 01:49 flint ogra, what is a breaking reciepe? 01:49 spacey it get someone without knowledge going with edubuntu 01:49 jelkner spacey: that isn't going to happen 01:50 jelkner unless someone other than kevin and i takes it over 01:50 ogra pips1, a breaking reciepe would be "if you want this or that for all your users you add this shellscript to /etc/skel" 01:50 spacey if you wants hacks you should call it EdubuntuHacks 01:50 jelkner we are users, that kind of book needs to be written by core developers 01:50 spacey users don't hack 01:50 pips1 ogra, ah! cheers :-) 01:50 jelkner spacey: are you volunteering to take over the cookbook? 01:51 ogra it will work, but is an evil hack 01:51 jelkner i'd be glad to turn over the keys to you 01:51 jelkner ;-) 01:51 spacey jelkner: i will consider it 01:51 jelkner just let me know 01:51 spacey first want that status information 01:51 spacey since know i have no idea what needs to be done 01:51 jelkner and kevin and i can work on "Edubuntu Community Hacks" 01:52 jelkner i felt at this point that things like that could go in the cookbook 01:52 jelkner since it would basically be a collection of "recipes" 01:52 ogra jelkner, you misunderstand me 01:52 jelkner and would be community driven 01:52 spacey jelkner: i'm not a core developer but I feel what people need it a good introduction and understand how things work in edubuntu. 01:52 flint ogra, actually we are all evil hackers :^) 01:52 spacey what was your perception of this ogra? 01:52 jelkner spacey: there are 2 ways you could make that happen (since i can't): 01:53 ogra if you make reciepes like these, that can be solved easily with thre or five clicks in the gui tool, please dont reinvent the wheel and add weird hacks .. 01:53 spacey its no use to hack around if the basics and workings are unfamiliar 01:53 kjcole My own "grand vision" for what the cookbook ought to be is two-part: 01:53 jelkner 1. you could add recipes to the current cookbook 01:53 ogra thats my concern 01:53 ogra not that this reciepe is added 01:53 jelkner 2. we could decide that is in essence what the cookbook should be and someone with the ability to make it that should take it over 01:53 spacey jelkner: i love the idea of recipes but first you need to know how to make the basic ingrediens 01:54 ogra we have the multi-language tools on board ... the first part was largely tuxLab-like in nature: get non-technical folks -- teachers 01:54 kjcole primarily -- exited and interested in a cheap lab where they have a lot of control, and give them the tools to set it up. 01:54 ogra one target of the cookbook should be to promote what we have and its right usage ... 01:54 jelkner ogra: then the current "recipe" should reflect the currently possible best way to do it 01:54 flint ogra, if a teacher needs internationalization, and a command line script does the job, then it also instructs the gui tool builder of the future. 01:54 jelkner i'm a field worker setting up edubuntu out in the community 01:54 ogra jelkner, which is not by editing rc files 01:55 jelkner i want to take care of the customers needs 01:55 jelkner as soon as possible 01:55 jelkner so i see recipes as way to do that 01:55 kjcole part two would be recipes or "hacks" for the day-to-day, I-need-it-now-and-don't-have-time-for-the-perfect-solution, problems. 01:55 ogra yes 01:55 flint ogra, if you cannot edit rc files what can you edit? 01:55 spacey i'm a field worker as well 01:55 spacey if you want to call it like that 01:55 ogra flint, you can edit waht ou want ... but there is a better way 01:56 pips1 kjcole ++ 01:56 flint ogra, and when the "better way" shows up, then it becomes the new reciepe 01:56 jelkner exactly 01:56 ogra flint, there *is* a better way since hoary ! 01:56 jelkner then why don't we know it 01:56 spacey kjcole: anyway the first part is the most important one IMHO and its needs to be finished 01:57 ogra dunno ... === ian_brasil [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:57 ogra i can only point again to language packs, keamap selector in gnome and the language selector 01:57 flint ogra, whenever we ask for a feature (say local storage) we get told that it will not go in. local storage might become a reciepe === guillaumh [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:57 jelkner well, students are arriving, i need to run... 01:57 ogra flint, thats fine 01:57 pips1 spacey, kjcole I agree about 1. basics 2. hacks ogra, the big problem with GUI solutions is you need an artist. ;-) My thoughts would be 01:58 kjcole to try to get people less frightened of the command-line and editing files, while not badmouthing GUI solutions. 01:58 flint ogra, I tried that as did elkner, you have to be at the terminal to switch languages. The teacher is at the console. 01:58 spacey pips1: are you interested in writing up some stuff in the cookbook later on? kjcole, but do you agree, its easier to explain how to start a specific app and check two 01:59 ogra checkboxes next to your language than scaring users by adding third party scripts that edit rc files ? 01:59 pips1 jelkner, flint : do you feel the "basics" don't need to be in the cookbook? 01:59 ogra if you make reciepes, please try to make them the most userfriendly way 02:00 ogra anyway, we're running out of time 02:00 pips1 spacey, I don't have much linux experience under my hat, and I'm busy with edubuntu website already, sorry 02:00 flint pips1, basics should be in the default browser page on the CD. the book suplements the edubuntu CD eh? 02:00 ogra pips1, so tell us about the website 02:00 spacey pips1: ok, np, just checking for possible victims:) === highvoltage [n=Jono@18.104.22.168] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:01 pips1 flint, right 02:01 ogra hey highvoltage ... ogra, agreed. Scripts are cool, but if users are going to fool around with editing, it 02:01 kjcole should be them doing the editing, not a third party script -- at least not without a lot of up-front explaination first. 02:01 flint ogra, I promise you that both you and elkner will be upset with the reciepes, equally upset. 02:01 pips1 highvoltage, good timing! 02:01 pips1 ok, here I go re website 02:02 highvoltage hi ogra, pips1, kjcole and flint 02:02 highvoltage running late, sorry! 02:02 ogra flint, i just expect it to be written in a "ubuntu" way I'm thinking about the maintenance of the website. Not just in terms of technical 02:02 pips1 maintenance, but in terms of content maintenance and successfully supporting a community. And hopefully, sustained growth of the community beyond our wildest dreams ;-) 02:02 flint highvoltage, excellent we were just going on about the documentation. I still like TuxLab Jonathan. 02:02 highvoltage :) 02:02 ogra flint, have a look at the ubuntu server guide (installed in dapper by default) Regarding features on the website, I'd like to start small and add more as the need arises. 02:02 pips1 However, I think the first impression is important. We want to inspire enthusiasm, but avoid hype, IMO. Managing expectations is important. 02:02 highvoltage pips1: that maintenance is what i committed to two weeks ago :) 02:02 kjcole spacey, also agreed regarding the first part of the cookbook being more important. That reaches out to the unconverted and nervous. 02:02 flint ogra, give me a url... 02:02 highvoltage pips1: well said So, it'd be nice to foster a community around Edubuntu, not just sysadmins, but also 02:02 pips1 teachers and students. I don't want to replicate stuff that's already available elsewhere on the web... so, how what's our "place"? 02:03 ogra flint, its in your help browser in dapper 02:03 pips1 What users to we want to cater for? 02:03 flint ogra, gotcha. will look. 02:03 pips1 What content is the "core edubuntu team" (i.e. us, here) going to provide? 02:03 highvoltage pips1: the website should be several things, i think What content are new users expected to be able to contribute, besides documentation? What 02:03 pips1 communication about non-technical subjects should we encourage? What about curriculum development with edu apps, e.g.? Should the Edubuntu really cater for that? 02:03 kjcole high, highvoltage ;-) 02:04 highvoltage 1) It should cater for educators looking for help and documentation on edubuntu 02:04 highvoltage 2) id should cater for those who want to do a roll-out of edubuntu labs, and need help 02:04 ogra it should also be a meeting point for users ... 02:04 highvoltage btw- these are just my thoughts, they are not set in stone and completely subject to change by your imput :) 02:04 highvoltage 3) it should also be a meeting point for users 02:05 ogra heh :) 02:05 highvoltage :) 02:05 highvoltage and for people working collaboratively on edubuntu, aka the edubuntu community 02:05 jdub spacey: did anyone ever tell you that you look *just like* jorn baayen? 02:05 ogra yep === highvoltage notes this down 02:05 spacey jdub: no one :) 02:05 spacey who is it? 02:05 highvoltage pips1: any thoughts on this? 02:05 jdub spacey: author of muine, original author of rhythmbox. 02:06 pips1 What about curriculum development with edu apps, e.g.? Should the Edubuntu really cater for that? 02:06 spacey jdub: link? 02:06 highvoltage pips1: imo, it could eventually. there's certainly a need, and demand for that. 02:06 kjcole pips1, it's a selling point, so probably yes. 02:06 ogra pips1, we should encourage it ... pips1: i don't think we currently have all the people we have for that, but it's something 02:06 highvoltage we should keep in mind with the design, because it's likely to spread in those areas in the future 02:06 spacey jdub: apparently i look like a lot of people, last time i went to the sportcenter some girl cursed at me for not recognizing her :p 02:07 highvoltage spacey: yeah, i get that a lot There are websites dedicated to educational content already, I don't know too much re 02:07 pips1 website on curriculum development... as I said, I mainly want to know what to focus on, to avoid duplication. 02:07 jdub spacey: hrm, can't find picture. 02:08 spacey jdub: you added me to planet, thanks :) 02:09 pips1 If we want to encourage a certain type of content and user contributions, I feel we need to have a bit of content of that sort there already, to get it started... 02:09 jdub spacey: saw your hackergotchi in the process, had to double check it was the one from your email :) I also think it's very, very important to stress the idea that this is about 02:09 kjcole community. I've recently had a teacher that I encouraged to switch to Ubuntu instead try Mephis because someone gave it to him. 02:09 spacey :) pips1, at this time, the big threat I see to this documentation activity is the flash 02:09 flint screen capture and voice over programs under windows, these work GREAT and make for quick documentation of a programming environment. There is nothing like it in our arsenal. 02:09 spacey jdub: more edubuntu coming up @ planet now :P 02:09 ogra yay He went down the road alone, and now is lost, in spite of me trying to encourage him to ask 02:09 kjcole questions. He's about ready to give up, and I've told him I'll sit down with him and Edubuntu... === ogra should start blogging again as well ... 02:10 pips1 flint, right 02:10 jdub spacey: sweet! === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:10 jdub spacey: edubuntu means cakes. 02:10 highvoltage pips1: sorry, did we loose track of what you were saying about the website? 02:10 spacey :P 02:10 pips1 highvoltage, well, sort of :-) 02:10 spacey sorry pips1:) 02:11 kjcole jdub, the way to a man's stomach is through his computer? ;-) 02:11 flint pips1, do you remember the names of these flash generators under windows? I have been trying for several days to remember (getting old sucks :^) 02:11 highvoltage there's one for linux that works ok'ish, called 'wink' 02:11 ogra pips1, lets make a call to the mailing list for defaul content selection 02:11 spacey kjcole: and getting to his stomach means love 02:11 ogra we have a bunch of educators reading it :) 02:11 flint highvoltage, yea it is a wimzical combination of audio capture and vnc right? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting ogra, regarding blogging, drupal offers blogging out of the box, would you be interested in 02:12 pips1 enabling a blog section on the new website then? (of course, blogs can always be easily integrated via rss feeds)? what do you say? 02:12 highvoltage flint: i don't think it uses vnc === _mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66471.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:12 ogra pips1, sure, sounds good ... 02:12 pips1 ogra, good idea to make a call on the list, I was thinking the same thing :-) 02:13 spacey pips1: in a non intrusive way:) 02:13 pips1 spacey, what do you mean? 02:13 ogra so you mean something like planet.edubuntu ? 02:13 spacey well i don't think its really important for the website 02:13 ogra or even hosting the blogs ? 02:13 spacey ogra: drupal can do both i think 02:13 pips1 ogra, it could simply be a section (main navigation item) "blog" on the website 02:14 ogra yep 02:14 ogra ok, we're out of time, lets move that discussion to the list ... 02:14 kjcole Would it be useful to have a more formal web-based survey anywhere to collect thoughts/wish-lists in some organized fashion? 02:14 spacey ok :) 02:14 pips1 in drupal, every user could have their own blog, *if* we wanted 02:15 ogra any other artwork related info apart from the tech update ? 02:15 kjcole Oops. We ARE out of time, which means I'm going to be late for work... ta-ta. 02:15 pips1 every user = every user with an account 02:15 flint kjcole, stay well whatch the traffic! 02:16 ogra pips1, could you contact the LP people if its possible to attach the account management to launchpad ? 02:16 pips1 ogra, that's currently actually a todo item on highvoltage's list :-) === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:16 ogra it would be nice if we culd do the member management of the website via the edubuntu team in launchpad 02:17 ogra ah, k 02:17 ogra so anyone up with additional artwork tasks ? 02:17 pips1 highvoltage, you still here? 02:17 ajmitch ogra: you'd need to use launchpad's authserver then, I think 02:17 ogra ajmitch, fine ... as long as it works :) 02:18 ogra ok, no artwork it seems ... 02:18 ogra JaneW, community/management issues you want to talk about ? 02:19 highvoltage pips1: sorry, just arrived in the office and people are bugging me 02:19 ogra ok, given that we are 20min over time, lets close that meeting now ... seems there are no open topics anymore for now ... 02:19 JaneW ogra: *thinks* === flint flint is comfortable with the trouble he has caused for this morning... 02:19 JaneW oh yes we have entered Edubuntu into the Prix Arz Electronica 2006 competition 02:20 JaneW ogra: did you get my mail? 02:20 ogra yeah 02:20 ogra yep 02:20 JaneW you able to mail it off, or should I just do it from here? === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A66471.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:20 ogra no, i'm fine mailing it 02:20 JaneW I thought it was more likely to get there from you 02:20 JaneW our snail mail service sucks 02:20 highvoltage flint: that's not the attitude! 02:20 JaneW thanks 02:20 ogra i'll trow it in today ... 02:20 ogra *throw 02:20 JaneW ogra: I praised you in your bio 02:21 JaneW and said you deserve and award! 02:21 ogra heh, really ? 02:21 JaneW and=an 02:21 flint highvoltage, indeed :^) 02:21 ogra :) 02:21 JaneW ogra: so I hope you get it :)) 02:21 flint ogra, if for nothing else for stoic patience, and I mean that. 02:21 JaneW is everything else on track? 02:22 highvoltage JaneW: what's this that ogra's getting? 02:22 flint JaneW, everything is fine, nothing to see here... just move on... yea, that's it 02:22 ogra JaneW, apart from the CDs being oversized (which is never news)... 02:22 JaneW the entry form has to be printed signed and physically mailed to be valid 02:22 JaneW *shrug* 02:22 JaneW odd I know 02:23 ogra we were discussin the option to drop firefox... but to many things depend directly on it (which is a bug imho) 02:23 flint is this Prix Arz Electronica 2006 a particular nationality, I would prefer french so as to anger the bush admin. 02:23 ogra flint, austrian 02:24 ogra relatively popular in the german speaking europe ... === nomed [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:24 flint ogra, that will only mildly annoy our state department :^( 02:24 ogra ok, lest move to #edubuntu 02:24 spacey k