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Meeting April 26, 2006
02:01 JaneW ok let hit it 02:02 JaneW hi everyone 02:02 blugtu hi jane 02:02 jelkner hi jane 02:02 JaneW 5 weeks to Dapper release 02:02 jelkner class starts for me in 15 minutes 02:02 sivang hey JaneW 02:02 JaneW hi sivang 02:02 JaneW edubuntu is in pretty good shape === highvoltage can't wait 02:03 highvoltage edubuntu is great! 02:03 jelkner edubuntu is fantastic! === ogra just created https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda 02:03 JaneW thanks to ogra for that 02:03 jelkner thanks, ogra! 02:03 cbx33 edubuntu rawks :D 02:03 JaneW thanks ogra 02:03 cbx33 thank you ogra 02:03 ogra stop now, i'm blushing :) 02:03 jelkner i have a quick question... 02:03 ogra shoot 02:03 JaneW we have it on the top of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords too === cbx33 imagines ogra's handsome face blushing :p 02:04 jelkner ogra: can you please tell me again how to chroot when you dist-upgrade to dapper? 02:04 ogra JaneW, we need a dynamic agenda 02:04 JaneW ogra: agreed 02:04 jelkner or rather rebuilt the ltsp-chroot 02:04 cbx33 I think it is becomming increasingly necessary 02:04 ogra jelkner, can we do that outside of the meeting ? 02:04 highvoltage jelkner: that's a question for #edubuntu :) 02:04 jelkner yes 02:04 JaneW esp with the edbuntu membership 02:04 ogra yep 02:05 ogra so from the tech side : === highvoltage is interested to hear more about that 02:05 ogra not miuch to say, i'm merely busy with ubuntu bugs 02:05 ogra we decided to have an update for the beta CD, so beta2 might be released tomorrow 02:05 JaneW ogra: there a load of them though like 10k or such like... 02:05 ogra (i'm testing isos as i speak) 02:05 cbx33 nice, 02:06 cbx33 I know ther are loads of bugs, I'm trying to help out where I can 02:06 ogra JaneW, yes, but that also includes whishlist and trivial bugs 02:06 cbx33 but not so many specific edubuntu bugs 02:06 cbx33 hehe 02:06 ogra the serious amount is way lower (but still to high) 02:06 JaneW ogra: oic, does it look like serious bugs are manageable? 02:06 ogra nope 02:06 highvoltage nope!? 02:06 JaneW even with the new bug guy? 02:06 ogra but we have simon now to care for our QA 02:07 ogra he will kick our butts if we dont get them solved in time ;) 02:07 sivang hey highvoltage :) 02:07 JaneW ok, and I meant QA guy not bug guy 02:07 cbx33 oh dear 02:07 highvoltage ogra: do we have a list of the most critical bugs in edubuntu? 02:07 highvoltage hi sivang 02:07 JaneW although it's much of a muchness ;) 02:07 ogra he will also assign edubuntu specific bugs to the new edubuntu bugsquad in launchpad instead of assigning them to me personally 02:07 JaneW highvoltage: I think that should read most critical bugs for edubuntu? === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:08 ogra so if you want to help bug triaging, subscribe to it 02:08 JaneW since we don't seem to have many IN edubuntu - right ogra? 02:08 JaneW ogra: that's a good idea 02:08 highvoltage JaneW: right 02:08 ogra https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs/+join 02:08 JaneW ogra: will anyone else help with those yet, or is that for future expansion? 02:09 ogra JaneW, there isnt even a single bug assigned to that team yet 02:09 highvoltage blugtu and i wanted to get testing more formalised, we've been meaning to talk to ogra about that for the longest time 02:09 ogra and the overall count of edubuntu bugs is ~100 02:09 ogra err 02:09 highvoltage but schedule clashes have made that difficult 02:09 ogra ~10 02:09 sivang highvoltage: there a rough ubuntu test plans on the wiki, I reckon you could derive upon them and add the additional edubuntu / ltsp bits. 02:09 highvoltage testing and bug hunting / fixing probably goes hand in hand 02:09 blugtu yeah ,we need to create a first structure for the testing team 02:09 cbx33 indeed 02:10 highvoltage sivang: noted 02:10 JaneW sivang: yes, but I think we have a very basic test plan... === JaneW looks 02:10 ogra highvoltage, blugtu, cbx33 helped a lot with testing the beta isos ... he can give some hints ;) 02:10 ogra JaneW, we only have a copied version of the ubuntu testplan 02:10 cbx33 anything I can do guys 02:10 sivang highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing 02:10 ogra 90% of that stuff doesnt need testing in edubuntu 02:11 ogra we need to test other bits ... 02:11 cbx33 I'm often testing on non-compliant hardware or older hardware 02:11 JaneW ogra: right ok we should get that customised then 02:11 sivang https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Long 02:11 ogra since if the things work in ubuntu and we didnt modify anything, they *must* work in edubuntu as well 02:11 JaneW cbx33: would you like to do that? 02:11 cbx33 sure 02:11 ogra in any case we rather need our owm testplans worked out ... 02:11 cbx33 I'll give it a shot 02:12 cbx33 indeed as you stated ogra most of the ubutnu stuff is tested else where 02:12 JaneW ogra: did you respond to the mail about our CD cover copy? is that signed off now> 02:12 JaneW ? 02:12 blugtu sivang: if you want to take a look to edubuntu testing team wiki , here it is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuTestingTeam 02:12 ogra since it makes most sense to test the edubuntu specifics beyond the ubuntu install we test anyway 02:12 JaneW cbx33: excellent, thanks 02:12 cbx33 totally agree 02:12 cbx33 infact most of what I have been testing is non-ubu stuff anyway 02:12 JaneW we actaully need to go through the whole edubuntu wiki and do a springclean and update 02:12 ogra yes 02:12 cbx33 because that's what I'm eventually oing to use it for 02:12 cbx33 JaneW: agreeed 02:13 ogra we should do that around release or shortly before 02:13 JaneW to make sure the info is valid, current and well presented 02:13 cbx33 make sure we get it all done in time 02:13 sivang ogra: agreed, however if someone edubuntu tests those bits, he can feed bugreports upstream to ubutnu as well :) (regardless of his edubuntu specific bits) Bt I agree this may be out of scope for edu ;-) 02:13 ogra (what doesnt mean we shouldnt start already indeed ;) ) 02:13 sivang blugtu: looking 02:13 cbx33 ogra: :p 02:13 blugtu sivang: ;) 02:13 JaneW yes, and if you find any of my typos please correct them! 02:13 ogra sivang, yes, but i'm not intrested in reports about that, since we'll solve them in ubuntu anyway 02:13 JaneW we had one of my typos mentioned in a review last time :/ 02:14 cbx33 JaneW: oh dear 02:14 cbx33 :p 02:14 sivang ogra: sure :) 02:14 cbx33 they're so unforgiving 02:14 ogra if your thin client bootsplash is wrong, thats something that intrests me, if openoffice is broken, i'm sure it will get solved in ubuntu anyway === cbx33 bites his tongue 02:14 cbx33 :p 02:15 ogra ok, so apart from that and still missing artwork/doc stuff edubuntu is fine 02:15 JaneW ogra: you feeling onfident we are on track and have enough testing so far that we won't have major surprises in the next 5 weeks? 02:15 cbx33 it makes perfect sense that way seeing as there are many more people to fix ubu spefiic bugs 02:15 ogra i have another topic, not tech related 02:15 ogra JaneW, yep 02:15 JaneW cool 02:15 JaneW ok the tech side is good, well done again! 02:16 JaneW ogra: you havent seen my whip for a while now :) 02:16 ogra i was approached independently by several people asking if we could rotate the meeting time 02:16 JaneW ogra: next? 02:16 cbx33 I can see why ogra 02:16 cbx33 I'm lucky my boss actually wants me to attend these meetings 02:16 JaneW I am not commiting to another 4am meeting :( 02:17 JaneW ok who is this time really BAD for? 02:17 blugtu for me its ok 02:17 cbx33 ogra: will the introduction of the CC ease this issue? 02:17 blugtu but wednesday its not a good day 02:17 cbx33 having more people available to chair the meeting? 02:17 ogra we said as long as nobody complains we want to stick to that time, but now with edubuntu membership and with community demand, i guess we should have at least two times to jump between 02:17 highvoltage JaneW: i would like a meeting that takes place out of office hours, so that i can attend it 100% 02:17 JaneW we have other meetings on Tues and Thurs 02:17 highvoltage JaneW: just as a question of preference 02:18 JaneW perhaps if we have 2 diff times which alternate each week, then at worst ppl attend every second meeting? 02:18 ogra thats my plan 02:18 cbx33 sounds good 02:18 highvoltage btw, http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1 02:18 JaneW are we sticking to wednesday? 02:18 highvoltage edubuntu #24 for last 7 days :) 02:18 JaneW WOW!!! 02:19 ogra so move the current one a bit earlier and have an alternate time for the evening 02:19 highvoltage JaneW: seems so 02:19 JaneW when Dapper releases we are going to storm the charts :)) 02:19 ogra highvoltage, that will drop to nowhere with the new artwork :P 02:19 JaneW ok 10:00 UTC or earlier? 02:19 JaneW ogra: :(((( 02:19 JaneW yes we need to discuss that 02:19 ogra 10:00 UTC sounds fine 02:19 cbx33 earlier I'd like 02:20 cbx33 ah ok :p 02:20 JaneW cbx33: what TZ are you? 02:20 JaneW oh UK 02:20 cbx33 GMT 02:20 cbx33 :p 02:20 blugtu for me its not good 02:20 blugtu 10 utc 02:20 ogra what about 18:00 UTC for the other, is that to late for you JaneW ? 02:20 JaneW you get up early? 02:20 blugtu so early 02:20 cbx33 but it's ok 02:20 highvoltage ogra: we'll make lots of noise about that, I promise. that's bound to peak some interest in edubuntu though ;) 02:20 ogra highvoltage, hopefully 02:20 blugtu ogra: 18 utc is perfect 02:20 cbx33 that'd be great 02:21 JaneW ogra: too late for work day, and too early for night meeting I have to spend 5-8pm (my time with family and kids - sorry) 02:21 cbx33 ok 02:21 cbx33 make it 22 02:21 highvoltage 18:00 utc is great for me too (but for the same reason it's bad for janew :/ ) 02:21 ogra isnt 18:00 UTC 8pm for you ? 02:21 cbx33 listen forget me...I can work around it 02:21 JaneW 20:00 UTC works for me 02:21 cbx33 20:00 is great for me 02:21 blugtu ogra: yes 02:21 highvoltage yeah, i think we can discuss this some other time in #edubuntu. 02:21 highvoltage wednesdays 12:00 is working Ok. 02:22 cbx33 yes brilliantly 02:22 JaneW ogra: I can't really commit before 19:00 02:22 ogra UTC ? 02:22 freeflying 20:00 UTC is too early for asian 02:22 JaneW ok let's debate this on the mailing list of #edubuntu then? 02:22 cbx33 make it the late one then 02:22 ogra yep 02:22 blugtu JaneW: OK 02:23 ogra but it seems we have a tendency for 10:00 UTC and 20:00 UTC, right ? 02:23 JaneW I am UTC +2 02:23 JaneW ogra: yes that would work for me 02:23 ogra yep, as i am 02:23 blugtu 20 utc is good 02:23 JaneW on a wednesday? 02:23 ogra ok, lets take these for the proposal and see what feedback we get 02:23 ogra yep 02:23 ogra lets keep the day 02:23 JaneW ogra: er that will suck on the day we have the 4am the next morning, but we'll cope :) 02:24 ogra i usually dont sleep before the 4am meeting, so i'm fine 02:24 JaneW yikes 02:24 cbx33 heheh 02:24 ogra the question is if you can sort it 02:24 cbx33 oh dear ogra 02:24 JaneW let's try that 02:24 JaneW so what time next week? 02:24 sivang blugtu: according to what ogra said, why do yo have there a section about "Installation" ? this is already getting tested part of ubuntu no? 02:24 JaneW 10:00? 02:25 ogra JaneW, next week == first meeting in the month 02:25 cbx33 sivang: no 02:25 JaneW ogra: yes 02:25 cbx33 ther eare extra bits in the edubuntu installation 02:25 sivang cbx33: ah I see, ltsp related? 02:25 cbx33 yes 02:25 ogra we should take care for a third ECC member today as well 02:25 JaneW ogra: anything else? 02:25 ogra yes, see above 02:26 blugtu sivang: yep but we will see for details during a testing meeting 02:26 JaneW take care? 02:26 ogra vote, elect 02:26 Riddell ECC? 02:26 JaneW we'll discuss the ECC election next week no? 02:26 ogra or do we want to sort that on the first ECC ? 02:26 sivang ECC? 02:26 ogra Riddell, edubuntu CC 02:26 freeflying Riddell: we'd have KCC :) 02:26 ogra Riddell, like the KCC ;) 02:26 JaneW ogra: do we need to discuss the process or what? 02:27 ogra JaneW, i guess we need to *define* a process first 02:27 JaneW ogra: ahh 02:27 JaneW ogra: mailing list discussion? 02:27 ogra yep 02:27 cbx33 self nomination, seconded, vote, elect ? 02:27 JaneW or here and now? 02:27 JaneW cbx33: yep sounds good 02:27 ogra sounds very good 02:27 cbx33 :) 02:27 blugtu i quote cbx33 02:27 JaneW ogar: think we must follow CC processes as far as possible 02:28 JaneW ogar! lol 02:28 cbx33 heheh 02:28 ogra JaneW, not for the ECC itself 02:28 ogra but for the member approval 02:28 JaneW ogra: yes that's what I meant 02:29 sivang ogra: special TB/CC per each derivative? :) === ogra adds a membership candidates section to the new agenda page 02:29 JaneW ok the new WEB SITE, highvoltage any news on that? 02:29 JaneW ogra: thanks 02:30 highvoltage JaneW: been talking to Znarl in PM... he's on it 02:30 JaneW highvoltage: excellent, got an ETA yet? 02:30 highvoltage JaneW: i'll ask him quickly 02:30 JaneW highvoltage: we can let it slip in unnoticed === klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:31 highvoltage JaneW: what do you mean? 02:31 highvoltage oh, right 02:31 cbx33 hehe :p 02:32 highvoltage JaneW: i've been in contact with znarl over the weekend and monday, yesterday, and today, so it's unlikely to just slip by unnoticed. 02:32 JaneW can=can't sorry 02:32 JaneW highvoltage: cool ok thanks 02:32 JaneW can't wait 02:32 JaneW :)) 02:32 cbx33 w00t 02:32 highvoltage pips1 and i will still make lots of changes to it in the future 02:32 JaneW we are still waiting for final dapper artwork 02:32 ogra if you want to apply for membership, please add yourself at the bottom of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda === highvoltage needs to run, wil try to pop in again before end of meeting 02:33 cbx33 cya highvoltage 02:33 JaneW I think it's being kept largely under wraps till closer to the release 02:33 JaneW bye highvoltage 02:33 cbx33 JaneW: any news on the artwork theme yet? 02:33 blugtu cya highvoltage 02:33 JaneW but it looks like our default theme is going to be the chalkboard one 02:33 JaneW which is dark green 02:33 ogra which i strongly oppose === JaneW too for the record 02:34 highvoltage JaneW: i haven't seen it yet, but if ogra's unhappy with it, then so am i! === cbx33 again 02:34 JaneW we are still free to provide nice alternatives for the 'Young' theme 02:34 ogra yes, i didnt recieve any wallpaper yet 02:34 cbx33 JaneW: but not the default? 02:34 JaneW cbx33: right 02:34 ogra but changing to chalkboard will mean to redo *all* themes 02:34 ogra else the colors bite 02:35 cbx33 it is a real shame that this is being forced upon us 02:35 JaneW I don't HATE the chalkboard one, but I definitely don't love it, and I don;t think it does anything to help build our brand 02:35 ogra yes 02:35 cbx33 any chance of a petition? 02:35 JaneW we can try that yes 02:35 cbx33 or an appeal 02:35 ogra cbx33, JaneW and i did what we could 02:35 cbx33 I understand 02:35 cbx33 Wish I could jump on the band wagon too 02:35 JaneW ogra and I are powerless alone, but if we have community support that may carry more weight 02:35 ogra so its up to the community i guess 02:36 ogra which we are not allowed to show the theme 02:36 JaneW ogra: are we def not allowed to show it? 02:36 JaneW I am not clear about that... 02:36 cbx33 what is the issue here? 02:37 ogra no idea, but its not much different from https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperTheme/JonathanCarter/chalk 02:37 JaneW ogra: hehe clever 02:37 ogra its a little brighter and has more chalk leftovers on it ... 02:37 blugtu i have to go Bye all see you later in #edubuntu 02:37 JaneW and some smudging... 02:38 JaneW bye 02:38 cbx33 bye Bluekuja 02:38 blugtu cya 02:38 blugtu ;) 02:38 ogra ciao Bluekuja 02:38 blugtu lol ciao oliver 02:38 cbx33 ogra: it just seems very old fashioned 02:38 JaneW so like I said before if you have anything better SEND it to us 02:38 ogra yes 02:38 ogra yeah 02:38 cbx33 what about swapping it for an interactive whiteboard :p 02:38 JaneW we can;t complain unless we have alternatives === klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["=)"] 02:38 cbx33 hehe 02:38 cbx33 I can do what I can 02:39 cbx33 my wife is a website designer, I can get her to give it a shot if you want 02:39 cbx33 she's pretty good with that kind of thing 02:39 JaneW cbx33: yes please! 02:39 ogra we wanted to stay with the current bright and colorful theme, but were told by our coo that it isnt recognized as edubuntu branding yet 02:39 cbx33 oh it will be 02:39 cbx33 if it's the last thing I do :p 02:39 ogra (which we both disagree about) 02:39 cbx33 It;s a gear theme 02:40 cbx33 *great 02:40 JaneW cbx33: see this http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ 02:40 cbx33 and brands it well 02:40 cbx33 JaneW: do you have any tips/guidence on what we like/don;t like 02:40 cbx33 a design brief I suppose I could pass on to her 02:40 JaneW we like edubuntu girl but were hoping for more diversity, since that was an issue last time, so were looking at something like 02:41 cbx33 ok 02:41 JaneW http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Children_Of_Edubuntu_1024x768.png 02:41 ogra the goal was to appear more grown up than in last release 02:41 JaneW perhaps a bit subtler though 02:41 cbx33 I see what you mean 02:41 cbx33 it's nice, but it looses the brainding i feel 02:41 ogra we wanted a more neutral wallpaper, but still bright and friendly 02:41 cbx33 ogra: totally agree with you there 02:41 JaneW ogra: for the default yes, but we still want a fun and naive young option 02:42 cbx33 i think quite a clean background with a definite theme would be nice 02:42 JaneW edubuntu girls with her new diverse friends? 02:42 ogra yes, the young one can look like edubuntu girl or the children of edubuntu 02:42 cbx33 hehehe 02:42 cbx33 I'll get her started tonight, she'll do her best I know it 02:43 ogra :) 02:43 JaneW ogra use this http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/abstract.jpg === ubuntu_lt [n=Styxemail@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:44 ogra JaneW, we had that already :) 02:44 ogra was the very first wallpaper i packaged :) 02:44 cbx33 heheh 02:44 JaneW yes but it wasn't released 02:44 cbx33 any more thoughts on artwork? 02:44 JaneW and we replaced it with the fun young one 02:44 ogra it was pre mustard :) 02:44 JaneW :P 02:44 cbx33 pre-mustard hahaha 02:45 JaneW cbx33: ogra lves mustard === cbx33 loves ketchup 02:45 ogra i dont even eat mustard :) 02:45 ogra but i like the color :) === cbx33 pictures handsome ogra in his mustard coloured shirt 02:45 ogra lol 02:46 cbx33 and mustard coloured leather pants :p 02:46 JaneW euw 02:46 ogra nah ... 02:47 cbx33 maybe we culd use a picture of hip hop ogra in his mustard attire for the background 02:47 ogra they are black i wouldnt wear colored leather 02:47 ogra haha 02:47 Mithrandir we could just color rotate the image and they'd be mustard. 02:47 cbx33 right, next? 02:48 ogra Mithrandir, heh ... "different kinds of mustard" :) 02:49 JaneW ok the dreaded cookbook 02:49 JaneW looks like there had been some action this week 02:49 ogra is anyone of the cookbook team here ? 02:49 ogra spacey and pygi are missing 02:50 cbx33 I think I'm a n00bie member 02:51 ogra HedgeMage is working hard on it it seems 02:51 ogra she asked for screenshots last night 02:51 ogra but she can only attend the evening meetings 02:52 JaneW nice 02:52 JaneW ok, we'll carry that discussion over 02:52 JaneW but there's deifinately action on it now 02:52 ogra an i guess she'd also go for membership 02:52 JaneW :) 02:52 JaneW good 02:52 JaneW ok anything else to discuss? 02:53 ogra (i hope we'll get actually some candidates for next meeting) 02:53 cbx33 for the meeting? === cbx33 is a candidate :p 02:53 ogra yay ! 02:54 ogra ok, then i'd say meeting adjourned :) 02:54 ogra thanks all 02:54 cbx33 ooh 02:54 cbx33 hang on 02:54 ogra shoot 02:54 cbx33 I just wanted to mention 02:54 cbx33 I've started a team 02:54 cbx33 https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-school-support 02:55 ogra yes 02:55 cbx33 to try to provide some support material for schools 02:55 ogra you should announce it on the mailing list 02:55 ogra with a little description and advertisement :) 02:55 cbx33 I will do later, wated to get some opinions on it first :p 02:56 ogra its a great idea :) 02:56 JaneW cbx33: excellent idea! 02:56 JaneW I am sure jelkner will be interested 02:56 cbx33 good 02:56 JaneW please post on the m/l... 02:56 JaneW should help to get things ging again 02:56 cbx33 well that's all I had to say I think 02:56 cbx33 apart from 02:56 JaneW thanks 02:57 ogra highvoltage will be intrested as well :) 02:57 JaneW so long 02:57 cbx33 if anyone has any general dogsbody things that need doing 02:57 JaneW and thanks for all the quiche 02:57 ogra :) 02:57 JaneW cbx33: I'll keep that in mind :) 02:57 cbx33 I'm ya man :p 02:57 JaneW write specs for SoC! 02:57 cbx33 hehehe 02:57 cbx33 I'll get the missus working tonight 02:57 sfllaw ogra: I won't kick you. Violence solves nothing. 02:57 cbx33 ok 02:57 sfllaw ogra: Guilt however, I use like a surgeon. 02:58 ogra sfllaw, you wont move my fat ass without kicking ;) 02:58 JaneW sfllaw: he likes a good whipping 02:58 Mithrandir yeah, it's just enjoyment for him. 02:58 JaneW pref with some alcohol 02:58 JaneW and a smoke 02:58 ogra but to be honest, the edubuntu bugcount is marginal 02:58 Mithrandir JaneW: in the wounds? 02:58 cbx33 heheh 02:58 JaneW Mithrandir: yeah 02:58 ogra eek 02:59 sfllaw JaneW: Lady, I like your style! 02:59 cbx33 hehehe 02:59 JaneW *bow* 02:59 ogra sfllaw, you wont have to kick much :) i think edubuntu has around 10 open bugs 02:59 ogra ok, can we close ? 02:59 cbx33 yes 02:59 JaneW yes adjourned