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Meeting May 3, 2006
02:01 JaneW hi all 02:01 jsgotangco hey ajmitch 02:01 ajmitch hi 02:01 JaneW Edubuntu meeting time 02:02 cbx33 w00t 02:02 Bluekuja hi all 02:02 jsgotangco ok 02:02 flint Good morning Jane and all the gang... 02:02 Bluekuja i just arrived :) 02:02 ogra heya 02:02 cbx33 hey Bluekuja 02:02 Bluekuja hey pete 02:02 Bluekuja hi oliver 02:02 Bluekuja hi jane 02:02 highvoltage hi flint === rikai listens in. 02:02 Bluekuja ooh highvoltage 02:02 flint hey Jonathan! 02:02 Bluekuja hi 02:02 JaneW ok today's meeting is somewhat momentous 02:02 ogra ok, no topics added to the agenda, thats great :) 02:02 ogra https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda 02:03 JaneW and a bit more official that some of the others we have had 02:03 cbx33 indeed 02:03 ogra yeah, welcome to the first edubuntu council meeting evah :) 02:03 JaneW as it is our first ever EC nominations/votes/inauguration 02:03 JaneW RAH 02:03 ogra so do we follow the general agenda first ? # 02:04 ogra i dont have much from a tech POV 02:04 JaneW I think we should do EC first 02:04 JaneW agreed? 02:04 cbx33 yes 02:04 Bluekuja okie === jsgotangco raises hand 02:04 ogra hmm 02:04 ogra k 02:04 ogra jsgotangco, ? 02:04 JaneW as the rest tends to becomes rambling discussion, let's do official business first 02:04 JaneW agree/disagree now 02:04 flint ok 02:05 jsgotangco oh go ahead 02:05 highvoltage yep 02:05 ogra JaneW, you chair ? 02:06 JaneW yes sorry I was merrilly typing in wrong # 02:06 JaneW JaneW ok officially 02:06 JaneW JaneW The edubuntu council will review membership candidates at every first meeting in a month, please add yourself below and subscribe to [WWW] https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members, the same membership rules as in ubuntu apply. 02:06 JaneW JaneW ok who do we have up for membership today? 02:06 cbx33 heheh 02:06 JaneW just cbx33 today? 02:07 JaneW and is highvoltage approved already? 02:07 ogra shouldnt we first make the EC complete ? 02:07 JaneW (I am not clear on that) 02:07 ogra nope, we'll need to vote 02:07 cbx33 who can vote? 02:07 ogra we have two EC nominations 02:07 highvoltage well, i suppose the EC should exist first before it approves members :) 02:07 JaneW ogra: ok 02:07 JaneW ogra / highvoltage : yes good point! 02:07 ogra i think only EC should vote for EC 02:07 JaneW ogra: ok want to run with this part? 02:08 JaneW ogra: yes but like CC we can hear argument from outsiders 02:08 highvoltage let the arguments begin! 02:08 JaneW which can help the EC to decide 02:08 JaneW so who is the EC 02:08 JaneW so far ogra 02:08 ogra and you 02:08 JaneW and I 02:09 JaneW I think we need at LEAST one and preferably 2 more 02:09 ogra so praise the candidates *now* ! 02:09 ogra i'd say we need at least 2, preferably 3 :) 02:09 JaneW what will consistute a quorum? 2 or 3? 02:09 highvoltage ogra: any candidates from university? 02:09 JaneW I'd say 3 02:09 ogra JaneW, we need a weight against employee power 02:09 LaserJock highvoltage: me 02:09 jsgotangco stand au loin 02:09 JaneW ogra: yes === Seveas does a cheerleading dance for highvoltage 02:09 ogra so at least two for now === bimberi praises highvoltage === cbx33 advocates both highvoltage and LaserJock 02:10 JaneW ogra: should we look at other Ubuntu ppl (Kamion, mdz etc some to mind) 02:10 flint I would suppose that all this should be written on a web site and ratified by a popular vote. 02:10 cbx33 thank you both for all your help and support === Bluekuja quote cbx33 02:10 ogra JaneW, i doubt they have ambitions to become EC members :) 02:10 JaneW ogra: I don't know 02:11 Kamion JaneW: please not me; I'm already on the Community Council and the whole point of this is to delegate 02:11 Kamion not much point in delegating to myself 02:11 ogra flint, it was discussed on the mailinglist over the last week 02:11 JaneW Kamion: ok, noted 02:11 bimberi hehe, i think they have enough meetings :) 02:11 cbx33 heheh 02:11 JaneW ogra: what about jsgotangco or mhz? 02:11 ogra JaneW, aslo i think two canonical employees is really enough 02:11 flint typically the beginning of governance starts with a vote of aclaimation. 02:11 Kamion I think it's important that the Edubuntu council are people who are actively involved in Edubuntu, not just Ubuntu in general 02:11 ogra flint, as it happened on the ML 02:11 highvoltage i think both jsgotangco and mhz would be good candidates 02:12 ogra yes, jsgotangco would be great 02:12 jsgotangco err? 02:12 JaneW highvoltage: additionally they cover different timezones, which is handy 02:12 flint ogra, was there a posting of quorum? 02:12 ogra mhz is rarely around recently 02:12 JaneW jsgotangco: ! 02:12 JaneW ogra: yes, but he might be able to fix that 02:12 Kamion flint: FWIW this is delegation of governance not initiation of governance 02:12 ogra flint, there was an explanation how we want to go forward with that, some nominations and praising 02:13 highvoltage ogra: he's been real busy 'out there' though 02:13 flint Kamion, i missed one meeting was there a vote to initiate this council? 02:13 ogra highvoltage, right 02:13 JaneW jsgotangco: you interested? 02:13 jsgotangco ack 02:13 Kamion flint: it's a delegated body requested to be created by the Ubuntu Community Council === juliux [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:13 jsgotangco :D 02:13 JaneW I'll take that as a no...? 02:13 jsgotangco i thought we are nominating? 02:13 ogra JaneW, ack usually means acknowledged 02:13 flint JaneW, I believe that is so. 02:13 JaneW ogra: the problem is that the longstanding active community is still pretty small. 02:13 cbx33 ogra: not in calvin and hobbes :p 02:14 JaneW ack can be like GAH! 02:14 LaserJock cbx33: hehe 02:14 flint Kamion, I agree that the UCC says go but do WE say so? 02:14 ogra JaneW, yes, but we have people like LaserJock highvoltage and jsgotangco applying for the job, so i think thats fine 02:14 JaneW ogra: great, let's take all 3. ? 02:15 jsgotangco JaneW: i don't mind doing this for the interim till we get stable enough for proper voting 02:15 ogra we'll get more people involved with a working council simply through membership 02:15 ogra i'd also like to suggest a time limitation on the job 02:15 ogra i.e. max two release periods 02:15 jsgotangco yeah 02:15 highvoltage time limitation is great 02:15 LaserJock yep 02:15 JaneW Yes that's a good idea 02:15 highvoltage does membership also have time limitation? 02:16 bimberi ogra: yes, tying it to release periods is a very good idea 02:16 ogra people can apply again and get voted again though 02:16 cbx33 ogra: good 02:16 ogra highvoltage, yes, two years by default iirc 02:16 ogra LP setting 02:16 JaneW yes I think that's it 02:16 highvoltage ok, great. 02:16 ogra so JaneW would you be happy with these three then until eft+1 ? 02:16 JaneW ok do we have the core EC then? 02:17 ogra looks like :) 02:17 JaneW LaserJock/ highvoltage / jsgotangco you happy with that? 02:17 highvoltage JaneW: yep 02:17 ogra jsgotangco, highvoltage, LaserJock welcome to the powerful world of the EC :) 02:17 JaneW I need a clear affirmative 02:17 jsgotangco JaneW: sounds fun 02:17 ogra yeah 02:17 highvoltage mhuahahaha 02:17 highvoltage JaneW: YES 02:17 LaserJock yes, I am here ;-) === jsgotangco evil grin 02:17 JaneW ok Done === cbx33 congratulates highvoltage LaserJock jsgotangco 02:18 ogra LaserJock, and you are fine with it ? === JaneW slams down wooden hammer 02:18 rikai Congrats guys :) 02:18 LaserJock ogra: yessir 02:18 JaneW we'll need a cake... 02:18 ogra great :) 02:18 flint JaneW, should the candidates be special in their interests or merely involved in development? 02:18 bimberi \o/ 02:18 JaneW flint: not so much dev related, more COMMUNITY issues, by definition 02:18 ogra flint, the EC candidates should be members for some time already 02:18 JaneW but I am sure dev will be touched on too 02:18 flint should a teacher or a student be involved, maybe one or the other already is? 02:19 ogra flint, we're done for now with that part ... 02:19 highvoltage flint: read ogra's last post to edubuntu-devel, he said exactly that :) 02:19 LaserJock flint: I'm a PhD student and teach a bit as a part of that 02:19 flint LaserJock, excellent. 02:19 jsgotangco yeah he has a Laser 02:19 JaneW cbx33: is also involved with a school 02:19 cbx33 indeed I am 02:19 ogra flint, and highvoltage closely works on the frontline with teachers and schoools 02:19 jsgotangco im not messing with a guy with a *Laser* 02:20 flint ogra, I have very good feelings about Jonathan. 02:20 LaserJock jsgotangco: heh, you better not ;-) 02:20 JaneW ok, on to today's candidate/s 02:20 highvoltage flint: :) 02:20 ogra jsgotangco, pfft, just get a big mirror 02:20 ogra he cant harm you :) 02:20 jsgotangco lol 02:20 JaneW we have cbx33 02:20 ogra yeah, membership candidates please prepare the 3 liner 02:21 ogra oops phone 02:21 highvoltage and a wiki page 02:21 JaneW cbx33: can you breifly tell us why you'd like to join 02:21 highvoltage but you don't have to phone us. 02:21 JaneW and what you plan on doing? 02:21 highvoltage :p 02:21 cbx33 ok === cbx33 is Peter Savage, 24 year old IT Manager currently working in a school in Southampton UK. Have been using linux for about 2 years in various forms and recently moved to Ubuntu. Run a small LUG at the school called YouthLUG, where we teach Ubuntu to the pupils. I started contributing to Ubuntu/Edubuntu at the beginning of April. Spearheading Ubuntu advocacy at the school, giving out ShipIt CD's. 02:21 cbx33 Been working heavily on documentation recently, creating SchoolsAdvocacy page, eventually hoping to be a printed pamphlet to send to schools. Wrote LTSP man pages, and LTSP DHCP and multi boot docs. Perform testing on Edubuntu CD's, whenever required. Working on the edubuntu testing plans and report templates. Reporting bugs, submitting fixes wherever possible. Offering support whenever I can to the #edubuntu channel. 02:21 cbx33 I hope to push Edubuntu to schools more and more. Would love to showcase Edubuntu at the BETT show in London next year. More testing. Organise a team to write an edubuntu book for school administrators. Get involved with getting better Active Directory integration for easier migration for schools. More bug fixing, learning python and contributing to the LTSP manager package. Aim to be come a MOTU. 02:22 cbx33 http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeteSavage 02:22 jsgotangco the advocacy page is exactly what i wanted for a desktop guide before 02:22 Bluekuja hehe 02:22 jsgotangco it lists the basic apps that differentiate edubuntu 02:22 cbx33 :D - were working on it 02:22 JaneW cbx33: sounds great thanks 02:22 highvoltage cbx33: is the ltsp man pages available on-line somewhere? 02:23 JaneW cbx33: yes and that advocacy page looks great, I am sure it will be very usefull. 02:23 cbx33 they are in my LTSP bazaar branch 02:23 cbx33 I do have some online links too 02:23 ogra highvoltage, i'll upload the ltsp package with the manpages today 02:23 cbx33 thank you ogra 02:23 jsgotangco i made some hi-rez screenshots of the applications, if you want, i can turn them over to you 02:23 highvoltage ok, nice. 02:23 ogra but there is also the bzr branch from cbx33 02:23 JaneW cbx33: hopefully we can print them as a brochure, but I can't commit to that unfortunately 02:23 cbx33 nice jsgotangco :D 02:23 cbx33 JaneW: I understand 02:23 LaserJock cbx33: when did you first get involved with Edubuntu? 02:24 cbx33 I've been involed with the development of edubuntu ie joinging the community since the beginning of April 02:24 cbx33 but was using and testing it a little while before, though hadn't been part of launchpad 02:24 JaneW from what I have seen so far cbx33 is not only keen, and enthusiastic, but reliable and available too, which counts for a lot. 02:24 ogra and cbx33 did an awesome job since then 02:24 jsgotangco cbx33: care to elaborate about the testingplan? 02:24 ogra i bet youre the most active community contributor currently 02:25 JaneW So even though you have only been around a short while, if you plan to stay on for a while, I am happy to gve you my vote. 02:25 highvoltage I know Ubuntu memebership is about long-term, sustained contribution, but i think that cbx33 has already proven his dedication to us in this short perioud. 02:25 highvoltage *period. 02:25 highvoltage ogra: i second that 02:25 Bluekuja yeah, cbx33 is doing a great work 02:25 cbx33 Sure, the testing plan will detail, similar to the ubuntu testing plan, what we need to do to fully test the betas, in particular the difference to ubuntu 02:25 ogra oh, btw, EC quorum is 3 of 5, right ? 02:25 Bluekuja just taking a look to the advocacy page 02:25 JaneW ogra: yes 02:25 cbx33 the report tempalte is supposed to provide a way of signing off packages to say they have been tested and approved by at least 2 people 02:26 LaserJock I've had very good interactions with cbx33. He did proofreading for the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and I'm helping him with the Advocacy page a bit 02:26 cbx33 JaneW: I plan to stay :p 02:26 JaneW ogra: but I think if only 3 memebers are present (quorum) then the vote would need to be unnanimous (agreed?) 02:26 cbx33 thank you highvoltage 02:26 highvoltage JaneW: yep 02:26 highvoltage sorry, you asked ogra 02:27 ogra JaneW, i'd think 4 weeks of *very active* contribution is enough to call it sustained, even if he'd disapper tomorrow he would have contributed a lot already :) 02:27 Bluekuja yeah 02:27 JaneW do you all agree that 3 votes are needed to get in? regardless of now many EC members are in attendance? 02:27 ogra JaneW, yep 02:27 Bluekuja he's working really hard for the project 02:27 LaserJock JaneW: agreed 02:27 highvoltage ogra: yep 02:27 jsgotangco ack 02:28 ogra so does anyone have any additional questions to cbx33 ? 02:28 Bluekuja nope 02:28 cbx33 https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage/ 02:28 cbx33 whoops i forgot to add that 02:28 ogra the wikipage talks for itself i think and we all have already worked with him 02:28 JaneW ok so official voting now. Who would like to vote cbx33 as EC member? 02:28 bimberi no, agree with what's been said so far - great work cbx33!! 02:28 JaneW +1 02:28 ogra +1 02:28 highvoltage +1 02:28 JaneW that's 3, you're in! 02:29 Kamion JaneW: EC member or Edubuntu member? 02:29 cbx33 :D 02:29 flint cbx33, nice wiki page indeed 02:29 LaserJock +1 with some reservation on the time, but I really like cbx33's work 02:29 bimberi cbx33: the first Edubuntu member - congratulations! 02:29 JaneW to be clear that's as Edubuntu Member 02:29 Bluekuja congrats cbx33 02:29 Bluekuja :) 02:29 jsgotangco +1 for hard work (did my vote matter?) 02:29 jsgotangco :D 02:29 cbx33 Thank you all for all your support 02:29 ogra cbx33, wow, thats 5 of 5, welcome aboard ! === ogra approves in LP 02:30 JaneW congrats cbx33 , and that's for your excellent work so far. And for your wife's art. 02:30 cbx33 this community is the most helpful I've ever worked in, and no eliteism either 02:30 cbx33 thank you ogra 02:30 ogra and congrats for being the first :) 02:30 jsgotangco err where's the LP page? 02:30 Bluekuja great pete welcome :) 02:30 cbx33 https://launchpad.net/people/petesavage/ 02:30 ogra there are two other people on the LP page === KOnsumer [n=KOnsumer@drsd-d9b843a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cbx33 removes his flame retardant gear 02:30 LaserJock JaneW: oh yeah, I was going to mention he should become a member through marrage ;-) 02:30 JaneW are they here? 02:30 JaneW cbx33: did you need it? 02:30 ogra (not listed on the wiki though) 02:30 cbx33 no 02:30 highvoltage cbx33: i second that (most helpful community i worked with before) 02:31 ogra is Arnnstien1 around ? === highvoltage is glad that JaneW forgot to fuel the hoops 02:31 JaneW highvoltage: that's in large part due to you too 02:31 JaneW damn, next time 02:31 highvoltage JaneW: thanks ;) === cbx33 is relieved 02:31 ogra freeflying applied accidentially i think, he's already ubuntu memeber, so no need to apply additionally to edubuntu-members 02:31 highvoltage cbx33: congratulations! 02:31 bimberi cbx33: interesting process innit? 02:31 jsgotangco do i add myself here? 02:32 highvoltage cbx33: and welcome :) 02:32 JaneW ogra: so are there any more to consider? 02:32 LaserJock quick question. Are the EC by default Edubuntu members? 02:32 cbx33 indeed it is 02:32 ogra JaneW, only Arnnstien1 and freeflying are on the list 02:32 cbx33 thank you highvoltage 02:32 ogra LaserJock, yes 02:33 highvoltage ogra: really? 02:33 ogra JaneW, apart from the fact that neither seem to be here, the above i wrote applies at least to freeflying 02:33 LaserJock ogra: and is there an EC LP team? 02:33 JaneW the next EC sitting to consider candidates is Wed 7 June 02:33 highvoltage ogra: as far as i understand, they have exactly the same rights and everything else, although they're not exactly the same in name 02:33 JaneW will we keep it at this time or at 20:00? 02:33 ogra LaserJock, https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members 02:33 ogra yes 02:33 ogra i'll make the rest of the EC team admins after the meeting === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:34 ogra JaneW, we decided to do every second meeting in the evening, didnt we ? 02:34 JaneW yes we did === jsgotangco doesn't mind 20UTC 02:34 ogra highvoltage, edubuntu-members is a member of ubuntu-members 02:34 LaserJock JaneW: I suggest a rotation. This meeting started at 0500 for me 02:34 JaneW ah right, sorry I miscalculated, I was thinking it was going to stay day time, it's all good 02:35 ogra so ubuntu-memebership automatically applies 02:35 highvoltage ogra: ok, great === highvoltage is fine with 20UTC too 02:35 JaneW ok next EC sitting on 7 June at 20:00UTC 02:35 ogra LaserJock, thats why we said we'd do every second one at 20:00 UTC last week 02:36 ogra can the rest of the EC please apply for membership at https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-members, so i can make you admins 02:36 bimberi ogra: you might consider an edbuntu-council (say) LP team as well 02:36 JaneW ogra: done 02:36 ogra bimberi, all admins of the edubuntu-members team are the council 02:37 ogra i dont think we need a separate tem 02:37 ogra team 02:37 JaneW I agree 02:37 jsgotangco yeah i have too many emblems already 02:37 bimberi yep, just though of that myself as you asked them to apply :) 02:37 ogra emblems !!! 02:37 JaneW this needs a better emblem 02:37 ogra highvoltage, edubuntu-members has no emblem yet !!! 02:37 JaneW it's not even an edubuntu emblem... 02:37 LaserJock ogra: done 02:37 highvoltage ogra: *GASP* === highvoltage will have to make one, complete with firey hoops and all 02:38 JaneW highvoltage: cbx33 : next task - emblem! 02:38 cbx33 hehehe 02:38 LaserJock what? no emblem? That's it, I'm out ;-) 02:38 ogra yeah 02:38 ogra heh 02:38 JaneW ok we'd better move on 02:38 JaneW ogra: tech update? 02:38 ogra ok, any other EC business ? 02:39 ogra flint, when will you apply for membership ? 02:39 flint when invited. 02:39 flint i will consider it. 02:39 ogra flint, thats not how it works 02:39 ogra you need to apply for it :) 02:40 flint ogra, that is how I work. in the mean time someone needs to be an advocate. 02:40 ogra same as ubuntu membership :) 02:40 flint I am not an ubuntu member either. 02:40 JaneW flint: it's like politics, you get involved, get noticed, and get in the running 02:40 ogra you'll become one automatically if you apply for edubuntu membership :) 02:40 jsgotangco yeah 02:41 JaneW ogra: hang on a sec, don;t all members need to sign the CoC? 02:41 ogra yep 02:41 JaneW we haven't mentioned that have we? 02:41 LaserJock uh oh 02:41 flint thank you all. I will consider this and accept this as offered. 02:41 bimberi it's ok, cbx33 has 02:41 cbx33 of course I have 02:41 jsgotangco hmm didnt notice cbx33's monster karma 02:41 JaneW cool 02:42 cbx33 I submitted hte first bug on 1.0.1 not being signable :p === JaneW checks 02:42 ogra JaneW, if the LP page of the people says "Ubuntero: yes" then its fine 02:42 cbx33 as fas as I know 02:42 ogra (that means they signed) 02:42 cbx33 there are 4 duplicates now :p 02:42 cbx33 jsgotangco: I don;t quite know what happened with karma 02:42 LaserJock jsgotangco: yeah, he's go more karma than me :/ 02:42 JaneW yikes === JaneW better work on increasing karma 02:42 jsgotangco cbx33: you got lots of specs 02:42 cbx33 it just kinda happened one day 02:43 JaneW that's it I am not answering e-mail anymore 02:43 jsgotangco 4 of which are edubuntu specs 02:43 highvoltage karma shouldn't count for membership 02:43 cbx33 indeed 02:43 highvoltage (not yet anyway) 02:43 highvoltage the karma system is still a bit dodgy :) 02:43 cbx33 i don;t think it's enough of an indication 02:43 jsgotangco yeah but 4 edubuntu specs 02:43 highvoltage (no offence to launchpad admins) === jsgotangco thinks spec karma is too much 02:43 JaneW ok we are running out of time 02:43 ogra yes 02:43 cbx33 well, I'm trying, jsgotangco, depends if they are any good 02:43 JaneW highvoltage: don;t worry they know and are working on it :) 02:43 cbx33 hehe 02:44 ogra lets move on to normal meeting business 02:44 highvoltage jsgotangco: it's an incentive for people to use a new lp feature ;) 02:44 LaserJock highvoltage: I agree, although having any karam indicates you have done something anyway 02:44 highvoltage LaserJock: yep 02:44 JaneW AFIAK specs have highest karma, then bugs and then translations. 02:44 jsgotangco do we get tech updates? 02:44 ogra so tech update: nothing in particular, flight7 is in preparation as i just heard 02:44 JaneW ogra: bugs? 02:44 ogra most of my recent work was on ubuntu bugs 02:45 JaneW starting to stabilise? 02:45 ogra yes, we have some 02:45 cbx33 I've submitted a few edubuntu bugs or contributed to some already present 02:45 JaneW 4 weeks to go 02:45 ogra there is that ldm bug that makes ltsp boot into console which needs fixage 02:45 ogra all other bugs a re rather minor 02:45 ogra (wrt edubuntu) 02:45 LaserJock uggh, I've got a couple squeak bugs I might be able to take care of 02:45 cbx33 printing is an issue I think 02:46 cbx33 depends on how everyone else feels about its importance 02:46 lifeless JaneW: IIRC the karma is balanced : each section contributes to the total karma equally. 02:47 LaserJock cbx33: what is wrong with printing? 02:47 lifeless JaneW: but, because there is less history in the system for specs, actions there have a higher amount of value at the moment, this will balance out over time 02:47 ogra cbx33, printing ? 02:47 JaneW lifeless: oic 02:47 cbx33 LaserJock: I can't add a printer on the live cd 02:47 JaneW lifeless: thanks 02:47 ogra cbx33, thats no edubuntu bug 02:47 cbx33 ah sorry ogra 02:48 ogra cbx33, thats rather general ubuntu/cups breakage 02:48 cbx33 though we were talking about all bugs affecting edubuntu 02:48 jsgotangco that's cups its known 02:48 ogra (should be adressed indeed) 02:48 cbx33 my apologies ogra 02:48 cbx33 can we put pressue on it all 02:48 ogra cbx33, we wont release with a completely broken cups :) 02:49 cbx33 phew :p 02:49 ogra if you filed a bug, it should be addressed by pitti 02:49 jsgotangco its been on -devel discussion for a weeks 02:49 cbx33 yeh it's alredy being addressed 02:49 LaserJock do we have any mechanism for seperating Edubuntu and Ubuntu bugs? Or is it just ogra weeding his way through the vast fields of bug reports? 02:49 ogra LaserJock, we have the edubuntu-bugs team 02:49 cbx33 I'm trying to search through when i get a sec and reassign them 02:49 ogra all new edubuntu specific bugs should get assigned to it === freeflying [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:50 cbx33 I think on LP it would be nice to include the assignee in a list 02:50 ogra that includes edu apps we include or breakage of the metapackages -docs -artwork -meta 02:50 ogra (everything that differs to ubuntu) 02:50 LaserJock ogra: do you have a feeling for how many bugs, percentage wise, are Edubuntu specific? 02:50 cbx33 ogra: do we have a definitie list of that somewhere 02:50 ogra i know that we have less than 20 bugs 02:51 ogra (that are edubuntu specific) 02:51 ogra cbx33, nope, not yet 02:51 LaserJock ogra: cool, better than MOTU Science at the moment 02:51 ogra the bugsquad knows about the edubuntu-bugs team 02:51 ogra so future assignements should go to that team 02:52 ogra also if you talk to people in #edubuntu that want to file a bug, please advise them to assign it to the team 02:52 cbx33 will do 02:52 ogra other tech stuff ? 02:52 jsgotangco yeah 02:52 highvoltage ogra: kind of 02:52 ogra shoot 02:53 ogra (in order please) 02:53 ogra jsgotangco, ? 02:53 jsgotangco too bad we're frozen at the moment for flight 7 but we already have a yelp page and a firefox startpage 02:53 LaserJock ogra: have you considered making edubuntu-bugs the inital bug contact for Edubunt packages? 02:53 ogra jsgotangco, isnt that doc stuff ? 02:53 LaserJock oh, sorry jsgotangco 02:53 jsgotangco ogra: oh sorry 02:53 ogra (later on the agenda anyway) 02:53 jsgotangco :P 02:54 JaneW we have 8 mins so better speed things up 02:54 highvoltage right 02:54 ogra LaserJock, yes, we should at least subscribe edubuntu-bugs to all packages, i havent gotten around to do that yet 02:54 highvoltage ogra: i added a little spec to the add-on cd we discussed: https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu-addon-cd 02:54 ogra highvoltage, you had something ? 02:54 ogra ah, nice 02:54 JaneW can we do docs now? 02:54 highvoltage ogra: i will flesh it out a bit more over the following week 02:54 cbx33 hehe 02:54 ogra but thats rather eft stuff 02:54 cbx33 heeh 02:54 cbx33 the add-on cd is a great idea 02:55 highvoltage ogra: yes, it's eft stuff, so we'll talk about that on #edubuntu then 02:55 ogra lets stic to dapper for that meeting 02:55 highvoltage JaneW: ok, docs it is then 02:56 JaneW k 02:56 JaneW jsgotangco: hit it 02:56 jsgotangco We're frozen at the moment for flight 7 but we already have a yelp page and a firefox startpage 02:56 jsgotangco but with so close to release, should we even consider opening up the firefox hompeage for translation 02:56 cbx33 hmmm 02:56 jsgotangco localisation of firefox is *quite* complicated === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AE622.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:57 JaneW jsgotangco: what's your call on it? 02:57 jsgotangco im not sure if ogra_ is familiar with it 02:57 JaneW jsgotangco: is it worth attempting? 02:57 highvoltage on documentation, if someone wants to work on a 'getting started with lab administration' section for the getting started guide, that would be great. 02:57 ogra_ i'm a slacker and didnt include them in edubuntu-docs yet :) 02:57 highvoltage even if it's something simple like adding users and managing users/groups. 02:57 ogra_ sorry for the disconnect 02:58 jsgotangco JaneW: im not familiar with it at all, Diziet made a wiki page, but it made my brain fizzle 02:58 JaneW jsgotangco: :/ 02:58 ogra_ jsgotangco, thats my job to sort the technical side 02:58 jsgotangco although the start page is just 4 or 5 sentences 02:58 JaneW jsgotangco: we can;t do anything risky and cause instability, we'll be lynched 02:58 ogra_ i'll sort it with Diziet 02:58 JaneW or worse 02:59 jsgotangco if we could finalise the page and make amendments, we can open up translation of the firefox page at least 02:59 highvoltage ogra: perhaps not strictly doc, but will firefox have links to schooltool/schoolbell, or will he have it in the start page at least? 02:59 jsgotangco no need for rosetta, just send in the same html page would do 02:59 jsgotangco highvoltage: it should really 02:59 cbx33 school advocacy doc is growing big, anyone that want to contribute would be welcome https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy/Planning 02:59 ogra_ jsgotangco, did you add that ? 02:59 jsgotangco i was thinking of directly linking from the upper right of the page 02:59 jsgotangco ogra_: no not yet, i was waiting for you 03:00 cbx33 jsgotangco: moodle too? === jsgotangco needs to install a server later 03:00 highvoltage JaneW: that would be nice 03:00 ogra_ nope 03:00 ogra_ cbx33, sabdfl wants to go for LAMS 03:00 LaserJock sorry, I'm still new. Is there a Edubuntu doc repo? I've seen some stuff in the doc team repo but I don't think that is all of it. 03:00 cbx33 ah ok 03:00 ogra_ which is far beyond moodle 03:00 cbx33 never used it 03:00 jsgotangco LaserJock: its our own svn too 03:00 jsgotangco LaserJock: im the only one using it 03:00 flint ogra, what is LAMS? 03:00 LaserJock jsgotangco: ah, ok 03:01 cbx33 got a link ogra ? 03:01 jsgotangco LAMS should be good 03:01 LaserJock cbx33: google probably does ;-) === venkatachar [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:01 cbx33 :p 03:01 ogra_ lamsfoundation.org 03:01 flint cool 03:02 highvoltage nice 03:02 jsgotangco it needs java though no? 03:02 flint ogra, the schooltool gang will be less than thrilled with LAMS eh? 03:02 highvoltage jsgotangco: can you possibly create a wiki page for how to access edubuntu repro, and how to get documents from it? 03:02 Bluekuja highvoltage: there are news from the drupal translation? 03:03 jsgotangco highvoltage: sure its not really much to look at though, its basically the docteam repo in trunk 03:03 ogra_ highvoltage++ 03:03 highvoltage Bluekuja: yes, it's not currently supported, although Hedgemadge has a friend who's working on some php code that could provide a solution 03:03 cbx33 nice 03:03 highvoltage Bluekuja: but in the meantime, nothing stops us from doing manual translations 03:03 Bluekuja highvoltage: great, it would be really nice to have a translated page in the edubuntu website === ogra_ has to leave soon === JaneW too 03:04 cbx33 are we over time? 03:04 JaneW yes 03:04 ogra_ you can, indeed 03:04 JaneW ok, last words 03:04 highvoltage Bluekuja: yep, i suggest you start translating existing pages alread === venkatachar [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting  03:04 JaneW artwork seems to be starting to come together 03:04 Bluekuja highvoltage: ok, where i can find them? 03:04 ogra_ yeah 03:04 cbx33 lisa's hard at work 03:04 JaneW and we have seen some nice first drafts of ideas from cbx33 's wife 03:04 Bluekuja highvoltage: drupal website? 03:04 ogra_ we had some new proposals from the marketing 03:04 LaserJock any status change on the Win95 clone? 03:04 JaneW please thanks lisa for those 03:04 highvoltage on artwork, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/JonathanCarter/emblem <-- ECC emblem :) 03:04 cbx33 I will 03:05 ogra_ seems we have no say about the chalkboard 03:05 Bluekuja nice one highvoltage 03:05 Bluekuja hehe 03:05 JaneW highvoltage: nice, but make it ec 03:05 highvoltage ogra_: OMG 03:05 cbx33 ogra_: but we're trying t provide alternatives 03:05 JaneW else it's hard to distinguish 03:05 ogra_ so the dapper release will have a chalkboard wallpaper and all other elements will get adjusted accordingly 03:05 highvoltage JaneW: ok 03:05 cbx33 ogra_: that's insane 03:05 ogra_ cbx33, no go ... 03:05 JaneW yes our default wall paper will be chalkboard themed, it is being improved 03:06 ogra_ we'll include lisas wallpaper in any case 03:06 JaneW and we want to add some ROCKING alternatives 03:06 ogra_ but it wont be the default theme 03:06 JaneW and then make sure everone switches to that :) 03:06 LaserJock ogra_: so what about the color scheme? will it be no longer orange? === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:06 ogra_ eah 03:06 ogra_ LaserJock, it never was orange :) 03:06 cbx33 ogra: I can't believe we're being forced on this 03:06 cbx33 mustard :p 03:06 jsgotangco will it blend with red? 03:06 ogra_ we have a dark bordeaux 03:07 JaneW cbx33: no it's drak green (chalkboard colour) 03:07 LaserJock ogra_: well, whatever. I'm terrible with colors (just ask my wife) 03:07 JaneW drak=dark 03:07 ogra_ i'm working with the new wallpaper as background currently, and the red somewhat "works" 03:07 ogra_ but i'll see what the design agency proposes 03:07 jsgotangco hrmmm === cbx33 is gonna cry === No1Viking [n=No4Vikin@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:07 cbx33 :p 03:07 kjcole ogra_: oh you and your European spellings: It's spelled border. ;-) (Showing my hick 'merican ways.) 03:08 ogra_ :)+ 03:08 cbx33 is that a dodgy goaty : 03:08 JaneW kjcole: tsk 03:08 jsgotangco i gotta go downstairs first for late dinner 03:08 jsgotangco anything else for me? 03:08 highvoltage ogra_: dark bordeax? not windows 95 teal? ;) 03:08 JaneW maroon, or burgandy are easier to spell 03:09 JaneW highvoltage: teal is blue/green! 03:09 jsgotangco brb 03:09 cbx33 jsgotangco: expect docs soon :p 03:09 kjcole university president. See news reports. 03:09 ogra_ highvoltage, the design agency will propse the default window border colors and i'll have to adjust the theme 03:09 highvoltage JaneW: sorry, i was thinking about the chalkboard color 03:09 ogra_ anyway, i have to leave 03:09 cbx33 see ya later ogra_ 03:10 cbx33 and thank you 03:10 highvoltage cheers ogra_ 03:10 JaneW highvoltage: ok === ogra_ has visitors sitting infront waiting that he stops silent typing 03:10 kjcole Oops. I said "Sorry to have been late -- and quiet. Chaos and minor revolt concerning an unpopular choice of president for Gallaudet. See news reports. 03:10 Kamion JaneW: "burgundy" ;-) 03:10 highvoltage JaneW: can you hit your hammer to adjourne the meeting? 03:10 ogra_ feel free to go on, xubuntu starts in 20 min :) 03:11 LaserJock hmm, well this has been a lot shorter than CC meetings ;-) 03:11 JaneW Kamion: yes, that's the one 03:11 JaneW ok meeting adjourned 03:11 JaneW thanks everyone