2006-12-20
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Meeting December 20, 2006
Technical
- ogra: edsadmin (user/group admin) is in the queue
- cbx33, aliasvegas, sbalneav: MOTD/ldm login screen concept agreed on
- caveat to keep size down
- roadrvus to start focussing on education work in 2007
- initially on testing, integration and CD build
- looking at other education related devices (e.g. whiteboards)
- OLPC on hold, Thai government dropped involvement
Artwork
- See MOTD login screen concept above
Documentation
TopicBasedHelp has been moved into svn trunk
EdubuntuWikiCleanup process started
LaserJock: new yelp front page for edubuntu
- sbalneav: working on LTSP sections for handbook
- need to define role of handbook
- so that we can decide on what other supporting docs we need
and how to integrate with TopicBasedHelp
- Release Notes should be linked from releases.ubuntu.com
- ESA is in doc-team svn
- move to bzr
Community
- cbx33 attending BETT2007
RichEd will check with Canonical as to what resources and materials will be available
09:04 RichEd ogra: any technical news ? 09:05 ogra not really, edsadmin (the new user/groups admin tool) for edubuntu-network-auth-server is in the new queue 09:05 ogra apart from that i was busy with merges and poking around in ldap 09:05 LaserJock ogra: is that only for network auth? 09:05 LaserJock edsadmin 09:05 ogra yeps 09:06 ogra thats the replacement for the user and groups tool 09:06 LaserJock ok, but what about local users and groups? 09:06 LaserJock I'm not really sure how all that works, I should read up 09:07 LaserJock I was hoping it would be relatively simple to tie user/group managment to the menu GUI 09:07 ogra if edubuntu-network-client is installed, the menu entry for users and groups is replaced by esdadmin 09:07 ogra or if edubuntu-network-server is installed ... 09:08 ogra so as long as the machine has one of these installed, the machine is either client or server in the edubuntu network and has no local users 09:08 LaserJock so you get one or the other 09:08 rodarvus ogra: *no* local users? 09:08 ogra (apart from the defaul system users indeed) 09:09 ogra well thats about it, oh, and gcompris is at version 8.2.2 09:10 LaserJock I saw that 09:10 stgraber Sorry, I didn't really follow the discussions about edubuntu-network-server, is any Windows compatibility planned ? (through Samba for example) ? 09:10 highvoltage on testing, there's been only some response, which is ok considering that Feisty is only at the first alpha release. 09:11 ogra stgraber, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-network-auth-client and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-network-auth-server have all the info 09:11 cbx33 ok...I have a piece for tech ogra so let me know when ;) 09:11 ogra i'm done 09:11 highvoltage the only bug seemed to be about the gdmsetup program not starting up. testing will continue to get more aggressive as alpha releases become available. 09:12 ogra i havent seen that one ... 09:12 cbx33 ok, can I take the stand 09:12 cbx33 I was talking to aliasvegas earlier 09:12 cbx33 and sbalneav 09:13 cbx33 we came up with a concept I wanted to put before people 09:13 cbx33 on the ldm login screen.... 09:13 cbx33 what do people think of this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette?highlight=%28palette%29 09:13 cbx33 with a real working analog clock 09:13 cbx33 and.....a MOTD section 09:14 cbx33 it's just a conecpt....but borders on tech/art 09:14 willvdl ooh, I like the message idea 09:14 cbx33 I'm willing to code up the clock if people think it's a good enough concept 09:14 ogra to much graphics for ldm ... you cant do any fullscreen graphics, it slows it down to much 09:14 willvdl nobody will be able to miss that 09:14 cbx33 willvdl: we were thinking of literaslly /etc/motd 09:14 highvoltage cbx33: that is seriously cool 09:14 cbx33 ogra: ok 09:15 cbx33 no way we can compress or do something seriously funky.....i guess that owuld take us to spec stage 09:15 ogra if you manage to keep the graphics small it would be fine indeed :) 09:15 highvoltage cbx33: would the real analogue clock also come from the gdesklets code? :) 09:15 cbx33 yeh? 09:15 cbx33 highvoltage: could do....or we could write our own 09:15 RichEd artwork looks very slick i must say 09:15 cbx33 it's just a concept....hmmm.... 09:16 cbx33 we could possibly use a canvas and draw it....?? what d'ya think ogra ? 09:16 cbx33 instead of using a screen shot? 09:16 willvdl so admins could easily add MOTD's to the pool? 09:16 cbx33 yes 09:16 cbx33 we could even have it on a rotating basis 09:16 ogra it is a canvas 09:16 willvdl or maybe fortune? 09:16 cbx33 then all is cool 09:16 cbx33 willvdl: as you wish 09:16 ogra so you can draw what you like indeed :) 09:16 cbx33 ogra: I'll take a look at that if you think it's a good idea 09:17 ogra just keep the smallness of bitmaps in mind, thats all i demand, ldm is slow enough ;) 09:17 cbx33 ok 09:17 ogra sure, go ahead 09:17 willvdl nice 09:17 cbx33 ogra: is it pixel sizes that kill 09:17 cbx33 or just overall size ? 09:17 ogra bytes 09:17 cbx33 ok 09:17 cbx33 gimme a limit 09:17 ogra its a matter of network and bandwith 09:17 cbx33 I'll try to work to it with graphics..... 09:18 cbx33 if not I'll look at drawing 09:18 ogra currently the logo in 200x50px or something is the limit, dunno how big you can go 09:18 willvdl cbx33, presumably scaling down the palette would do the trick? 09:18 cbx33 willvdl: that was my idea 09:19 highvoltage imho the graphics for the login manager only makes a small difference compared to the rest of the data a thin client reads to boot off from the network. but ogra is right, no need to make it slower :) 09:19 cbx33 maybe have a more raytrace type shadow instead of shadowmaps === RichEd remembers when windows had the ability to embed web info into the desktop, like a stock ticker tape, and wonders if a school would find that useful for a "school or principals" message / announcement stream. 09:19 cbx33 RichEd: sounds good 09:19 ogra RichEd, thats what gdesklets does .... 09:19 cbx33 if this works...we could have a deskbar applet that reads the same info 09:19 willvdl ActiveDesktop 09:20 RichEd where it us a text feed, and local HTML rendering 09:21 cbx33 so good to experiemnt with then eh? 09:21 ogra sure 09:21 cbx33 cool 09:21 RichEd It would need a simple tool to edit the news / message to show the principal ... it may be a small "selling feature" when doing a demo. 09:21 cbx33 and now SCP 09:21 cbx33 np sbalneav I just pitched your MPTD idea 09:21 cbx33 MOTD 09:21 cbx33 it's a big hit 09:22 ogra MOTD ? 09:22 cbx33 ogra: we'll leave it till after christmas if you like 09:22 cbx33 message of the day 09:22 sbalneav Stylin' and Profilin' :) 09:22 ogra ah 09:22 LaserJock RichEd: there are some apps that show things like MOTD or system logs in the background 09:22 cbx33 can we sched a meeting for SCP 09:22 LaserJock perhaps we could adapt something like that 09:22 ogra cbx33, tomorrow ? 09:22 sbalneav ogra: got a quick patch for you, I'll try to get it in my bzr tree by end of day. 09:22 cbx33 ogra.....ok what time 09:22 cbx33 early is good for me 09:23 cbx33 like 9-11 UTC kinda time 09:23 cbx33 9am :p 09:23 cbx33 too early for you? 09:23 ogra hmm, thats bad for me ... 09:23 RichEd LaserJock yes ... I am sure it it 90% possible at the moment ... with some tweaks to make it look like a school announcement to be noticed. 09:23 cbx33 ok 09:23 cbx33 what about evening? 09:23 ogra i'd prefer 14UTC or something around that or evening 09:23 cbx33 RichEd: we could tie it into the artwork...so to have a space on the wallpaper... 09:23 cbx33 ogra: 14 UTC is gonna be probably travel time for me 09:23 cbx33 evening would work better 09:24 cbx33 I'll have to confirm 09:24 RichEd cbx33: that was my first impression before I saw the login box ... i figured it was a wallpaper. 09:24 cbx33 yeh 09:24 ogra oki, we need to be done before 20:00UTC ... i have a meeting at 21 UTC 09:24 cbx33 ok 09:24 cbx33 we'll get there one day ;) 09:24 ogra lets say 18:00 UTC 09:24 cbx33 hmmm.bad for me :p 09:25 ogra 19 ? 09:25 cbx33 ogra: let's carry this on in pm 09:25 cbx33 no point holding up the meeting 09:25 ogra ok 09:25 ogra well, then tech is done 09:25 cbx33 ogra: one more 09:25 cbx33 did you get my patch this time? 09:25 RichEd Some tech related news from Rodarvus is that he will be winding up his X responsibilities for the distro team and starting to focus more directly on education work in 2007. 09:26 ogra cbx33, yes 09:26 ogra looks fine to me 09:26 cbx33 ogra: is it good to go? 09:26 cbx33 excellent.... 09:26 highvoltage rodarvus: are you still working on OLPC stuff? 09:27 rodarvus no, unfortunately this is also on hold. (for other reasons) 09:27 RichEd highvoltage: the thai government have dropped their entire OLPC involvement 09:27 sbalneav Who's going to be X maintainer now? 09:27 willvdl I heard someone refer to it as the $200 laptop the other day. Must be inflation 09:27 rodarvus so, I'll be working on the education team (for real) from now on :) 09:27 RichEd so rodarvus will stay on top of the OLPC initiative, but it is not a delivery focus 09:28 willvdl Yay whiteboards! ? 09:28 RichEd yep ... coming to that ... 09:28 rodarvus sbalneav: afaik it will be a team effort (as it was before I arrived), until Canonical finds the right person 09:28 highvoltage willvdl: OLPC said that the initial laptops will actually cost US$200-US%350 to manufacture, but that it should come down to US$100 as the unit quantities scale up 09:28 willvdl ah 09:29 sbalneav ogra: I suppose we should file a bug for the X memory preseed. 09:29 sbalneav So it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. 09:29 ogra yeah 09:29 ogra dunno who merges xserver-xorg, seb128 is listed on merges.ubuntu.com for it 09:30 RichEd rodarvus' initial focus will be testing / integration and CD build 09:30 ogra the fix needs to go into that package ... 09:30 LaserJock awesome 09:31 RichEd and he's also going to look at the other education related devices out there that come into the frame ... 09:31 cbx33 coool 09:31 ogra rodarvus, hacking kernel drivers for electronic whiteboards ? 09:31 willvdl this is good news indeed 09:31 RichEd so he's chatting to willvdl about finding out the situation with smartboards / interactive whiteboards 09:31 highvoltage cool, there's talk that Via will release a laptop that's closer to a 'real' laptop for US$350-US$400, I think that's going to make some inroads into many areas. 09:31 rodarvus ogra: no way :) 09:32 ogra heh 09:32 cbx33 rodarvus: oh in that case...maybe you can help me out ;) with my interactive whiteboard 09:32 RichEd i.e. where are they now w.r.t. open source ... do they need help getting compatile etc. 09:32 cbx33 I have some info on hitachi 09:32 rodarvus a brazilian company called Positivo released a 400US$ laptop, for a national program for poor students 09:32 cbx33 who do I speak to? 09:32 rodarvus this is not "market reality" 09:32 rodarvus (yet) 09:32 rodarvus but will, in the future 09:32 rodarvus the sad part is that they have a very good (and close) relationship with Microsoft 09:33 rodarvus and the thing will run XP Starter Edition 09:33 rodarvus cbx33: sure, I can try :) 09:33 cbx33 hang on I'll pm you 09:33 RichEd so if anyone gets interesting news in this area, or has contacts, send an email to rodarvus 09:33 willvdl rodarvus, do you if it's true that AMD ship 14000 PICs a month into Brazil? 09:33 rodarvus any emails/news/info will be appreciated :) 09:34 RichEd highvoltage & willvdl : rodarvus will also look at the microclient junior / nohrtec appliance to see what help they need with xubuntu or xfce 09:34 rodarvus willvdl: I don't have any numbers, but its a reasonable number, I'd say. 09:35 RichEd So on the one hand, rodarvus will have a core dev focus, helping with the Edubuntu product 09:35 willvdl "Smart" (makers of original whiteboard) have linux support. THey are NEPAD partner...sortof 09:35 cbx33 good to have you (back) rodarvus 09:35 LaserJock does my calculator count as an educational device? perhaps it could run micro-Edubuntu :-) 09:35 RichEd And on the other will be some specualtion / strategic stuff ... where you can all help with sending education related h/w news 09:35 cbx33 LaserJock: Casio 9850-G 09:36 rodarvus yeah, its good to be back :) 09:36 willvdl RichEd, working with Norhtec guys on that? 09:36 cbx33 now that'd rock ;) 09:36 LaserJock I've got a TI-92 that people have called a computer 09:36 cbx33 heh 09:36 cbx33 ok where are we? 09:36 RichEd willvdl: well they have approached us, and say that they have clients using the device and linux ... and they would like to suggest ubuntu to the clients 09:37 LaserJock tech doc? 09:37 rodarvus (on the phone, will be back in a minute) 09:38 willvdl ah. Nigeria 09:38 willvdl Trying to turn their clients into a LoCo 09:38 highvoltage their clients? 09:38 highvoltage that sounds interesting! 09:38 RichEd willvdl: they have OEM clients who use the Nohrtec appliances in building an end-products 09:39 RichEd and the OEM clients do not want to pay for a win licence out of their own margin 09:39 willvdl long story 09:39 RichEd table side menus that are interactive and let you order from a touchscreen ... 09:40 highvoltage 22:37 < LaserJock> tech doc? 09:40 highvoltage willvdl? 09:40 willvdl well, I always get tech doc and community doc confused 09:41 LaserJock well, it's sort of the same thing isn't it? 09:41 willvdl but Topic Based Help has been moved into the trunk. I'm getting up to speed as we go 09:42 willvdl https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup has been going well and is an important excercise === willvdl makes call for suggestions/comments on it 09:42 LaserJock we should see if we could get a new yelp front page for Edubuntu 09:43 LaserJock for TBH that would include the Ubuntu stuff plus LTPS, etc. 09:43 willvdl would make sense 09:44 LaserJock Don Scorgie would be a good resource for that 09:44 willvdl who is he? 09:44 LaserJock but maybe Matthew East could too 09:44 LaserJock one of the main Gnome doc devs 09:44 LaserJock he's the upstream upstream for yelp 09:45 willvdl next stop is to rejuvinate the handbook. any thoughts on how TBH would impact it? 09:45 LaserJock well, I think it would sort of give it the "bite-sized" flavor 09:45 cbx33 well handbook is going well 09:46 cbx33 nixternal: and sbalneav are working on it right? 09:46 sbalneav There's a bit more work to be done on the LTSP side. Specifically, what's REALLY needed is a good solid "debugging thin clients" section. 09:46 sbalneav Yes, I'll work on that, and all LTSP related stuff. 09:47 highvoltage sbalneav: please shout if you need anything 09:47 ogra i9'll look into merging vagrants ltsp-chroot script 09:47 ogra so we'll have a commandline maintenance tool 09:47 LaserJock I think many of the empty sections could be filled from the Ubuntu docs 09:47 cbx33 nice 09:47 ogra and dont forget ltsp manager ... 09:48 willvdl sbalneav, I'll help with the outlines etc. and can contribute on the softer stuff 09:48 willvdl Are there any thoughts on a Desktop Guide like the other distros? Or is the Handbook to take this role? 09:49 ogra i thought the handbook was supposed to ... 09:49 LaserJock I see the handbook as Desktop Guide + LTSP + ESA 09:49 ogra but that might have changed over time, i'm not surte anymore 09:49 cbx33 indeed 09:50 willvdl that answers question fine, thanks 09:50 LaserJock I would grab desktop guide material from Ubuntu 09:50 RichEd willvdl: how would you see the difference (if any) 09:50 willvdl none really 09:50 willvdl only in name 09:50 willvdl there is ubuntu desktop guide & book 09:50 highvoltage willvdl: it might be a good idea to define the role of what the handbook is? I think a big problem with the handbook has been that there hasn't been a clear definition of what it's supposed to be 09:50 willvdl we have book as guide 09:51 RichEd desktop guide sounds very end-user specific ... whereas the handbook is a guide for user as well as admin ? 09:51 willvdl gotcha 09:51 willvdl I prefer handbook 09:51 RichEd yep. me 2 09:51 willvdl besides, it gets difficult to think of edubuntu in terms of the desktop and server guide 09:51 LaserJock well, with TBH we don't use the word "Guide" anymore 09:52 LaserJock it's all about the topic, doesn't matter from which content it comes 09:52 willvdl ah yes, saw that discussion 09:52 willvdl but eventually the topics get pulled into something 09:53 LaserJock a "One doc to rule them all" approach is nice, but difficult to manage and get people involved as it can be a bit overwhelming, IMO 09:53 willvdl LaserJock agreed. 09:53 willvdl The nice thing about TBH is it gets easier to pull together a doc for an audience 09:53 LaserJock yep 09:53 willvdl on demand 09:54 willvdl just takes some major forward planning :) 09:54 willvdl anyhoo, TBH is in trunk 09:54 willvdl I wanted to ask about the other "docs" as such 09:55 willvdl Release Notes: they appear for betas, and releases right? 09:56 RichEd yep ... from my experience ... a release triggers a doc 09:57 LaserJock yep 09:57 willvdl where do the beta release notes go? 09:57 LaserJock wiki 09:57 willvdl I've noticed some old ones in the wiki 09:57 LaserJock I think the herds and beta/RC go on the wiki 09:58 willvdl cool. they then get poached into the svn at release time? 09:58 RichEd they should also be available as a link to download / save next to any .iso release 09:58 willvdl RichEd, they are all on help.u.c 09:59 RichEd yep, but if say a new release requires a certain hardware spec, then it is polite to let a user check that out before downloading an .iso which he does not have enough RAM to run for example. 10:00 willvdl yip. they are made available with the releases. not exactly sure where though 10:00 RichEd I am envisaging a kind of a readme before you upgrade / download requirement. 10:01 RichEd wiki page is fine ... I just am commenting that it should also be listed next to the download file. 10:02 willvdl I'm looking on releases.ubuntu.com anyon know where they go? 10:03 ogra https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes ? 10:03 willvdl ogra, meaning RichEd is right, I don't see them on releases.ubuntu.com... 10:04 ogra no, they arent there 10:04 ogra probably they should be linked from the html .. 10:04 ogra colin maintains the template afaik 10:05 willvdl will check with him 10:06 willvdl so we maintain r-notes in wiki and the then end up in svn before release so that we have formatted copies right? 10:07 ogra dunno if there are any formatted copies... 10:07 ogra i only know the wiki version 10:08 ogra and thats the one that gets linked from the release announcement etc 10:08 willvdl kubuntu do it 10:08 willvdl no big deal. just checking. 10:09 ogra well, it would make sense to ship them probably ... 10:09 LaserJock release notes get shipped in the -docs 10:09 ogra ah 10:09 ogra now you see how much developers look into docs :P 10:09 LaserJock we have an old one from jerome in svn alreday 10:10 LaserJock exactly 10:10 ogra yep, together with an about page iirc 10:10 willvdl LaserJock, did Jerome normally handle that? 10:10 LaserJock long ago 10:10 LaserJock it's basically unmaintained and dormant 10:10 willvdl OK. should be easy enough to poach wiki page info 10:11 ogra btw, jerome was disabled from the council, we should talk about a successor (and elect one at the next EC meeting) 10:12 willvdl which is next year right? 10:12 LaserJock should we take nominations? 10:12 sbalneav What's happened to Jerome? 10:12 highvoltage sbalneav: his new job consumed him 10:12 willvdl sbalneav, job is taking time 10:14 willvdl OK. release notes, no problem 10:14 willvdl About Edubuntu, looking at it, it appears to be another flavour of the release notes anyway 10:15 LaserJock should be an ESA doc except maybe less marketing flavored :-) 10:16 willvdl LaserJock, I struggle to differentiate between R-Notes and About-Ubuntu 10:16 willvdl in terms of content 10:18 willvdl ogra, do you write the release notes? 10:18 ogra usually i add the tech bits 10:19 willvdl gotcha 10:19 ogra there were release notes i wrote in the past ... 10:19 ogra but during the last two releases it was rather an edubuntu doc team effort ... 10:20 willvdl R-Notes + About E + Handbook should keep us very busy on the tech doc side 10:20 ogra sounds like 10:20 willvdl ESA and the related wiki bits are very exciting 10:21 cbx33 heheh 10:21 cbx33 ESA was well planned 10:21 willvdl sooo many opportunities for it 10:21 cbx33 inderdaad 10:22 cbx33 Artwork? 10:22 cbx33 are we there yet mommy? 10:22 willvdl ESA should basically become Edubuntu Marketing: covering leaflets etc. to promotional material 10:23 willvdl what I'm still getting head around is trying to find out where targetted docs for specific audiences would lie... Handbook derivitives? Or ESA? 10:24 cbx33 would lie? 10:24 cbx33 as in storage? 10:24 LaserJock I'd keep the R-Notes, About E, and Handbook in doc team svn as static docs 10:24 willvdl storage and in development 10:24 ogra cbx33, no in "chating the reader" 10:24 LaserJock and the rest go on the wiki or a edubuntu-marketing bzr repo 10:25 willvdl LaserJock, agree 10:25 willvdl ESA is currently in docteam svn 10:26 cbx33 yes 10:26 willvdl it's something we can plan around. I guess first priority is working on the actual handbook 10:27 willvdl before looking at what different audiences would want 10:27 cbx33 yes 10:27 cbx33 I'd like to get ESA updated 10:27 LaserJock yeah, first things first 10:27 cbx33 before feb 10:27 cbx33 well before Jan really 10:27 willvdl sweet. I got enough info thanks guys 10:27 LaserJock I'd actually move ESA out of the doc team repo into a bzr repo for edubuntu-marketing 10:27 cbx33 RichEd: what kinda stuff can we get for BETT interms of leaflets etc 10:28 cbx33 LaserJock: sounds good 10:28 RichEd cbx33: I will be speaking to Chris Kenyon about budget. 10:28 willvdl LaserJock, cbx33: might be good idea to rename ESA to something more marketingy 10:29 RichEd We should be able to print our first eduction brochure for a test run at BETT 10:29 cbx33 willvdl: that is the plan 10:29 cbx33 ESA was our internal code name 10:29 cbx33 RichEd: that would be awesome 10:29 cbx33 I'll need that info asap 10:29 cbx33 so I can dedicate time to ESA with will 10:29 willvdl cbx33 ++ & woot 10:29 cbx33 unless you want Canonical to handle it 10:29 RichEd Can we do something meaninful with a double sided single page ? 10:29 cbx33 directly 10:29 cbx33 yes 10:30 cbx33 though to me 10:30 cbx33 a trifold stands out more 10:30 RichEd We'd do a full mock up with text and layout flow. 10:30 willvdl current ubuntu leaflet is trifold 10:30 cbx33 yeh trifold makes the best impression 10:30 RichEd And then Chris could run it though the design guys before a final commercial print. 10:31 RichEd I'd argue though, that given the short timing, we go for a once off test run for BETT. 10:31 willvdl cbx33 although we do have the templates that Chris and Christina worked on 10:31 cbx33 true 10:31 cbx33 well...you guys know more about marketting than I 10:31 willvdl (must get updated ones. note to self) 10:32 cbx33 to me.....single sheet means....less effort spent 10:32 willvdl RichEd, we have a poster design too... 10:32 nixternal yay, sorry about that, emergency surgery had to be done on my truck before i left tongiht :) 10:33 RichEd yes ... cbx33 mentioned that 10:33 nixternal cbx33: i will be working more on the handbook post xmas 10:33 willvdl showed you in San Fran? 10:34 RichEd ah that may have been it. 10:34 cbx33 nixternal: nice 10:34 willvdl nixternal: excellent. looking forward to seeing TBH in action 10:34 RichEd Pete: how many week days between new year and the show ? 10:34 cbx33 not many 10:35 cbx33 10 10:36 cbx33 i know it's tight 10:36 RichEd So probably not enough time for the whole formal multiple quotes & proof / approval cycle. I think we should expect to prepare as close to print ready as possible, and then we hava an ad hoc run. 10:36 cbx33 agreed 10:36 cbx33 I'm happy to produce copy etc.......... 10:36 willvdl well we have decent existing work 10:36 cbx33 but probably havn't got the softweare to produce proper print layouts === RichEd nods ... to the good existing work ... 10:37 RichEd cbx33: there should eb ebough time for a final reassemble into print form 10:37 cbx33 so just get it up to date 10:37 cbx33 good good 10:37 RichEd should be enough 10:37 cbx33 I'll make sure it's finished before Jan 1st 10:38 cbx33 and then you guys can do what you will ;) 10:38 RichEd cbx33: I'm happy to work on that with you 10:38 cbx33 RichEd: ++ 10:38 cbx33 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy 10:38 cbx33 here is the WIP for comments suggestions 10:38 cbx33 please read the current ESA and comment 10:38 RichEd I'll send comments tomorrow some time. 10:38 cbx33 on missing parts 10:38 cbx33 like SCP 10:39 willvdl which is on doc.ubuntu.com? 10:39 cbx33 hmm 10:39 cbx33 LaserJock: ? 10:39 cbx33 should be 10:39 cbx33 it's in the doc repo 10:39 willvdl it is 10:39 cbx33 http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html 10:40 willvdl got access? 10:40 LaserJock yeah 10:40 LaserJock it's on there 10:41 cbx33 ok I just made a change to the wiki 10:41 cbx33 with a new link directly to it 10:41 cbx33 Can someone set us up a bzr tree? 10:42 cbx33 or shall we use svn for now? 10:42 LaserJock well, if you have a team on LP it's right there 10:42 cbx33 ok 10:42 sbalneav Somebody set up us the bzr bomb 10:42 sbalneav What you say? 10:42 cbx33 heh 10:42 cbx33 right docs covered? 10:43 cbx33 I have to shoot fairly soon - would like to get Artwork in before I do 10:43 willvdl LaserJock, meaning an LP team can just create a bzr branch just like that? 10:44 LaserJock yeah 10:44 LaserJock access is limited to people who belong to the team 10:44 LaserJock write access that is 10:45 willvdl cool 10:45 willvdl lets move to artwork? 10:45 cbx33 thanks 10:46 cbx33 well you've all seen the conecpt lisa came up with 10:46 cbx33 thanks also to sbalneav for his idea about MOTD 10:46 cbx33 we'd love some comments on that design 10:46 cbx33 it is _only_ a concept at this stage 10:47 cbx33 but we thought it fresh and bringing a new level of profressionalism to edubuntu 10:47 willvdl any comments on design? meaning it has a "school" look to it? 10:47 cbx33 yes 10:47 cbx33 and anything relaly 10:48 cbx33 like it 10:48 cbx33 hate it 10:48 cbx33 heheh you decide 10:49 willvdl I guess usual question of applicability to tertiary ed springs to mind 10:49 cbx33 yeh 10:50 cbx33 anyone else.....we're going to come up with some more ideas/themes soon... 10:50 cbx33 then post to mailing list 10:50 cbx33 hopefully kick start some ideas off there 10:51 willvdl I guess we can get that debate going in artwork team circles 10:51 LaserJock mostly what I'd like to see is like 3-4 different themes for preschoo, elementary, and secondary/uni 10:51 LaserJock I can pick what I like but I'm horrible at making it up from scratch 10:52 willvdl then admin can apply theme... 10:52 cbx33 LaserJock: that's the plan......remember last release we were just on person 10:52 cbx33 s/on/one 10:52 willvdl and did good 10:52 cbx33 thanks willvdl ;) - Lisa is happy ;) 10:53 RichEd anything else anyone ... we are coming up to pumpkin time ... 10:54 cbx33 hehe 10:54 highvoltage well, 10:54 highvoltage I've been feeling lost the last bunch of months or so in terms of ubuntu contributions 10:55 highvoltage but recently I started learning more about debian-installer and ubiquity, and I'm learning a lot from colin 10:55 cbx33 cool 10:55 highvoltage and really enjoying it. 10:55 RichEd colin ? colin watson ? 10:55 willvdl cjwatson 10:56 ogra RichEd, yes, he's looking for young blood for the installer :) 10:56 RichEd ahh .... 10:56 cbx33 right you guys done with artwork ? 10:56 cbx33 I'm gonna have to shoot 10:56 cbx33 thanks for all the help guys 10:56 cbx33 I'll do my best to sort out ldm/ESA and anything else I've said I'll do 10:57 highvoltage so possibly in future releases of ubuntu I could do some installer tweaks if needed 10:57 willvdl cbx33, great 10:57 highvoltage (sorry for strange delay, lost my connection there for a while) 10:57 highvoltage RichEd: yes 10:57 highvoltage goodnight guys! 10:57 RichEd highvoltage: it would be useful to keep rodarvus loosley in the installer loop 10:58 cbx33 bye all 10:58 willvdl ciao 10:58 RichEd We may need some assistance with the Edubuntu on 2CDs ... ad-on .iso setup. 10:58 highvoltage ah yes. 10:58 cjwatson that's not really tightly related to the installer IMO 10:59 cjwatson CD image building, yes, but the explicit intent of the way we did that spec was to decouple it from installer considerations 10:59 RichEd cjwatson: but loosely, connected 10:59 cjwatson I actually don't see how 10:59 cjwatson we can discuss it later perhaps, I don't mean to derail your meeting, just a point of information 10:59 highvoltage cjwatson: our meeting pretty much just ended 10:59 willvdl thanks 10:59 cjwatson in any case my point is that implementing that spec doesn't require any installer modifications IMO 11:00 highvoltage we can add it to the next meeting agenda, if needed. 11:00 RichEd acknowledged. Just terms of making the process smooth and seamless for a user, we want an integration of experience. 11:00 ogra RichEd, edubuntu ion 2Cds is rather about gnome-app-install integration 11:00 ogra and update-manager integration ... 11:01 cjwatson right, when I personally talk about the installer I very specifically mean initial install only, which is how the code is structured 11:01 cjwatson d-i and ubiquity 11:01 ogra right ... === RichEd was thinking in more general terms about accompanying release / install notes ... and guidance for the user. 11:01 cjwatson ok, that's not so much what highvoltage has been looking at :) 11:02 highvoltage RichEd: perhaps table it as a documentation discussion in the next meeting 11:02 RichEd okay. 11:02 cjwatson anyway, I only saw this due to a nick highlight, so I'll go away again ;) 11:02 RichEd thanks ... for paying attention ... not for going away :) 11:02 cjwatson heh 11:03 RichEd Well in winding up ... for those of you who are not aware of it, there is a week's break for the company between Xmas and New Year. 11:03 RichEd So the meeting next week may be sparsely polulated. 11:03 willvdl cjwatson, that was me :) 11:03 RichEd *populated 11:03 highvoltage RichEd: noted. 11:04 highvoltage RichEd: would it perhaps be wise to postpone next weeks meeting? 11:04 ogra no, lets just skip it 11:04 RichEd highvoltage: next week won't be any formal meeting 11:09 willvdl I'll do minutes again
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