2007-08-15
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Meeting August 15, 2007
This is the Edubuntu Team Meeting, started on 15 August 2007, 20H00 - 22H00.
Attendance
Agenda
- Technical
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Documentation
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Art Work
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Web Sites
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Community
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
Management & Planning
- Progress over past week
- Issues/ Blocks
- Planned Activities for coming week
- Any other Matters Arising
Minutes
- Technical
- ogra noted that there isn't much more involved than maintaining seeds, building metapackages and ask for iso rebuilds.
- Spec's for Tribe 5:
- Translated into C: check
- Eliminated delayed mounter: check.
- Greeter: check.
- Selectable lang, session, and host: check.
- Fixed up some server side things for handling multi-hosts: check.
- Better password handling: check.
- i18n: added tonight (ogra: don't know if I did it right).
- ogra noted that ldm finally will be translatable.
ogra noted that LaserJocks changes are now in the server-addon CD, we still need icons.
ACTION: ogra needs to copy icons as well as the .desktop and .directory files for the seeds.
stgraber noted that he'll have a working version of the reworked TCM by the end of the week.
- pips1: what about schooltool, will it be included by default? ogra noted that it won't be right now, but will be included in a later release.
- Update on Willow: ogra noted nothing as we require developers.
- Artwork
RichEd noted that the first sample of the artwork is viewable at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Volunteer. ACTION: Team to review and give feedback via the Wiki page.
- Websites
- pips1 noted that there has been no changes.
- Community
LaserJoock busy with a FLOSScom project that is viewable at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FLOSSCom
- Planning
ACTION: RichEd to split Meeting Agenda(hour meeting for edubuntu-devel and an hour for edubuntu-users) and mail to the lists.
Any Other Business
- None reported.
IRC Logs
10:05 RichEd back ... 10:06 RichEd ogra kicks off with technical 10:06 ogra well, tribe 4 is out ... it was a heavy baby to raise this time ... 10:06 LaserJock \o/ 10:07 ogra took me quite some time to make the CDs work at all this time 10:07 ogra lots and lots of thanks go to LaserJock who took care for the live CDs 10:07 LaserJock it was fun 10:07 ogra and was well done :) 10:08 LaserJock well, it made it anyway 10:08 ogra i wouldnt have managed tribe 4 without you, kudos, really 10:08 LaserJock blah 10:08 LaserJock I just help where I can :-) 10:08 LaserJock I can't do the real stuff like ogra 10:09 jono hey pips1 10:09 ogra LaserJock, there isnt much more involved than maintaining seeds, building metaoackages and ask for iso rebuilds 10:10 ogra no magic anymore :) 10:10 ogra anyway, beyond that scott (who went camping with his family today) wroked his ass off to get ldm2 complete before feature freeze 10:11 ogra i'm working on merging his last changes before tomorrow 10:11 LaserJock three cheers for Scotty 10:11 ogra yeah 10:11 ogra i havent gotten his stuff building yet though 10:11 ogra will keep me busy tomorrow 10:11 LaserJock it sounds great though 10:12 ogra yeah, its all complete 10:12 LaserJock really what people are needing 10:12 LaserJock how are the spec doing as we head to Tribe 5? 10:12 ogra a list of features (c&p from a mail from scott): 10:12 ogra 1) Translated into C: check 10:12 ogra 2) Eliminated delayed mounter: check. 10:12 ogra 3) Greeter: check. 10:12 ogra 4) Selectable lang, session, and host: check. 10:12 ogra 5) Fixed up some server side things for handling multi-hosts: check. 10:12 ogra 6) Better password handling: check. 10:12 ogra 7) i18n: added tonight (don't know if I did it right) 10:12 ogra sooo 10:13 ogra ldm finally will be translatable, it has proper error messages now, we support multiple application servers to log in to and its a lot speedier ... 10:13 ogra oh, and we have autologin and unencrypted X transport .... 10:14 ogra not perfect yet but looots better than any ldm before 10:14 LaserJock \o/ 10:15 ogra i merged some other fixes, we now support serial lcd touchpads (in some industrial PCs) 10:16 ogra oh, he's here .... 10:16 ogra toonix wrote an article for the german linux magazin about ltsp ... 10:17 ogra everybody take a bow 10:17 toonix whoops 10:17 ogra ;) 10:17 LaserJock toonix: cool 10:18 toonix Well, I hope it's cool ;) 10:19 LaserJock well, I don't know german so I can't say it's not anyway ;-) 10:19 ogra LaserJocks changes are now in the server-addon CD, we still need icons, if you have a spare Gb of bandwith, try it out and do some testing of the UI changes and give feedback to the mailing list or irc 10:20 LaserJock btw, to test the menu anyway, you don't have to have gutsy 10:21 ogra feature freeze is tomorrow (as well as upstream version freeze) i havent heard anything from moquist about moodle yet :/ 10:21 LaserJock it should work in any Feisty or Gutsy Ubuntu or Edubuntu machine 10:21 ogra LaserJock, did you ? 10:21 pips1 toonix: nice nick :-) 10:21 LaserJock nope 10:21 LaserJock I'm pretty sure we can get a UVF exception for it 10:21 ogra i hope so 10:21 ogra pitti will be on hneymoon 10:21 LaserJock how hard is feature freeze for the Addon CD 10:21 LaserJock I was going to try to get a few more apps on 10:22 ogra as hard as always ... 10:22 pips1 re moodle :-/ 10:22 toonix Normally I call myself Tunix, but this nick is already occupied by someone at FreeNode. 10:22 ogra no freeze without exceptions .... 10:22 ogra its just a lot of paperwork 10:22 LaserJock ogra: but does a new app on the Addon CD count as a Feature? I'm a bit fuzzy on what counts 10:23 ogra nah, i dont think you can call that a feature 10:23 pips1 interesting 10:23 ogra adding a new category for it to teh code might be one 10:23 LaserJock oh interesting 10:23 ogra but thats would be small enough to easily get an exception 10:24 LaserJock no, I don't think categories should change 10:24 LaserJock I think the ones I wanted were still Science/Math 10:24 LaserJock I might need to get debian-cd patched to get the icons 10:24 LaserJock I suppose I should do that ASAP 10:25 ogra how big is that patch ? 10:25 LaserJock very small 10:25 LaserJock just a cp 10:25 ogra trivial enough ... 10:26 LaserJock I've already got debian-cd to use the app-install-data-edubuntu .deb 10:26 LaserJock I just need it to copy icons as well as the .desktop and .directory files 10:26 ogra oh, remind me to add that to the seeds 10:26 LaserJock that's only if we use new icons 10:27 LaserJock if we use existing icons (say from one of the apps) we don't need it 10:28 ogra well, we still have enough time until final artwork freeze ... 10:28 ogra (and even then ... its a bugfix) 10:28 LaserJock mhm 10:28 LaserJock so I'm pretty set 10:28 LaserJock I've marked the spec as Beta Available 10:28 LaserJock I didn't get to dynamic menus :( 10:29 ogra right, i'll go through the specs on the weekend and set the latest status 10:29 LaserJock but I think I'll start work on it soon so that it'll be ready to go for Gutsy+1 10:29 ogra that'd be cool 10:30 ogra i have a good bunch left from this round but LTSP got new blood at ubuntulive ... :) 10:30 ogra Francis Giraldeau is caring for clustering solutions etc 10:30 ogra he did mille-xterm before 10:31 ogra a solution built around ltsp with clustering for really big setups in universities etc 10:31 ogra i hope we can offer such a solution inside ltsp with gutsy+1 10:32 pips1 nice one 10:33 ogra there was also a guy who is very intrested in implementing fat clients for us, i'm still not done writing the basic howto for him to get him started (lack of time) but will do so the next days 10:33 ogra with the planned authentication server the server team wants to have in gutsy+1 we hopefully will have fat clients then as well 10:34 LaserJock awesome 10:34 stgraber main thing would be to have some kind of scp-client working on a fat client, that'd allow easier management of mixed environment with both fat and thin clients 10:34 ogra stgraber, i'm pondering to switch to italc .... 10:34 pips1 re network-auth for gutsy+1 fingers crossed 10:35 ogra it would need ltsp5 integration which doesnt exist yet 10:35 stgraber (btw, hi here :)) 10:35 LaserJock ogra: is italc the gambas one? 10:35 pips1 hey stgraber, you nastly lurker, you! 10:35 ogra stgraber, italc is what guadalinex uses everywhere ... but its a bit scary security wise ... 10:35 pips1 :-) 10:35 ogra LaserJock, nope ... 10:35 stgraber oh, I didn't know of that tool, looks great (as always I only looked at the screenshots :)) 10:35 ogra LaserJock, its in the archive 10:36 LaserJock openSUSE wants italic (I've been checking out the Edu efforts) 10:36 ogra and provides pretty much what SCP does ... 10:36 LaserJock but they also want webmin so ... 10:36 pips1 ogra: I'm surprised about your italc change of mind... 10:36 ogra it has the advantage of not being bound to a speific setup ... 10:36 ogra pips1, the code quality didnt get better 10:37 ogra but teh tour at guadalinex was pretty impressive 10:37 pips1 aha 10:37 pips1 ic 10:37 pips1 i didn't realise they are using it 10:38 ogra its what the teacher uses to control the classroom 10:38 stgraber this italc tool seems to be pretty similar as what the school I'm setting up my edubuntu network at are using on Windows (they are using Genevalogic Vision 6 (was Mastereye)) 10:39 ogra thin client manager was always planned as a small tool for single ltsp servers to maintain sessions ... 10:39 pips1 i noticed people asking for the SCP features on the mailing list... dave trask trying to get the VNC stuff to work... 10:39 ogra currently i dont like the way it goes, it seems to develop bloat .... 10:39 ogra yeah, after feature freeze i'll concentrate on bugs 10:39 ogra i'll look what we can do with vnc 10:40 ogra stgraber started some work on a vnc tool ... 10:40 stgraber looking at how the Windows tools are working, we'll have some problem with VNC and demo mode 10:40 stgraber Windows tools are using broadcasting 10:40 stgraber where we have to use unicast ... 10:41 ogra and brought me to a simple script that doesnt generate much load to have small screenshots of every screen ... 10:41 ogra i think i'll switch TCM to this for the preview ... 10:41 stgraber ogra: btw, I have a little problem with your script :), it freezes the screen while taking the screenshot :) 10:41 ogra i'm not sure we can get vnc in the client by defaul 10:41 ogra stgraber, for a millisecond, yes 10:42 ogra that xwd's fault 10:42 ogra so manually installing x111vnc might still be necessary 10:42 ogra *x11 10:43 ogra i'll look if that can be solved somehow ... 10:44 ogra ok, i think thats all from my side today ... 10:44 ogra questions ? 10:44 stgraber btw, I'll have a working version of my reworked TCM by the end of the week (as it's my deadline for the school I'm testing it at) 10:45 ogra stgraber, oh, you didnt say you work *on* TCM ... i thought you developed something new ... 10:45 ogra thats cool 10:45 pips1 ogra: what about schooltool, will it be included by default? 10:45 stgraber weel, due to the massive UI change I've started at zero and copy/paste some stuff from the current tcm 10:46 stgraber (proccess management for instance) 10:46 ogra pips1, oh, thanks for asking 10:46 ogra no 10:46 ogra the only schooltool packages we could use need the latest alpha version of zope 10:46 stgraber (and I use the studentcontrolpanel python thing to access the userlist and all other actions 10:46 stgraber ) 10:47 pips1 ogra: ic 10:47 ogra which we cant add ... 10:47 ogra so it will have to wait another release :( 10:47 ogra stgraber, ah, so its rather a rewrite 10:48 stgraber yes 10:49 pips1 ogra: oh, btw, what is the state of affairs regarding willow? has that progressed? 10:49 pips1 i mean upstream 10:50 pips1 sorry, this is rather off topic 10:51 LaserJock pips1: I think Amaranth is gone on to compiz heaven ;-) 10:51 pips1 oh 10:52 ogra_ grr 10:52 ogra_ <ogra> stgraber, ah, so its rather a rewrite 10:52 ogra_ <stgraber> yes 10:52 ogra_ ^^^ the last bit i saw 10:52 pips1 <pips1> ogra: oh, btw, what is the state of affairs regarding willow? has that progressed? 10:52 pips1 <pips1> i mean upstream 10:52 pips1 <pips1> sorry, this is rather off topic 10:52 pips1 <LaserJock> pips1: I think Amaranth is gone on to compiz heaven ;-) 10:53 ogra_ pips1, what LaserJock said 10:53 ogra_ pips1, we're clearly lacking developers 10:54 pips1 hmm 10:56 ogra_ baltix ? 10:56 LaserJock maybe we should let them write it then ;-) 10:57 ogra_ well, target is dapper 10:57 ogra_ and it was created more than a year ago 10:58 ogra_ if someone is intrested in it they are free to take the willowng package 10:58 ogra_ its only missing some pieces actually 10:58 ogra_ but anyway, our hour is up ... 10:59 LaserJock lots got done and there is lots yet to do! \o/ 10:59 ogra_ yeah, heh 10:59 ogra_ and gutsy will rock 11:00 RichEd Artwork ... 11:00 RichEd Our volunteer sent me a mail this week ... thanking LaserJock for his help 11:00 RichEd and a sample 1st effort that you can see here: 11:00 RichEd https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Volunteer 11:01 RichEd She would like some comments on her first effort. 11:01 ogra its a great start ... 11:01 LaserJock oh, that's nifty 11:01 pips1 how do we comment? 11:01 pips1 is she here? 11:01 LaserJock you can edit the wiki page I imagine 11:01 RichEd I'm going to try to hook her up with cbx33 for guidance ... she felt a bit bad taking LaserJock's time when he is more of a "coding person" 11:02 RichEd add comments to the wiki page pips1 ... 11:02 pips1 ok 11:02 ogra pips1, she's jillc 11:02 RichEd I hope she will attend one of the next meetings ... 11:02 ogra (and not here atm) 11:03 LaserJock RichEd: I don't mind either, but I'm not much of an artist 11:03 RichEd I like the sample myself ... the quality is certainly decent ... and I think if we put her onto a specific task with a "spec" she would be able to be a help 11:04 LaserJock we need to make sure it works well as a wallpaper 11:04 RichEd LaserJock: that's where I think pete will be able to help out with guidance ... 11:04 ogra yeah needs a bit more abstraction 11:05 LaserJock ogra: I agree 11:05 RichEd comments like that would be good for the wiki page, and then I can mail her the link 11:05 ogra RichEd, well, i dont want her to struggle with procedures, she shall do artwork 11:05 LaserJock it gets busy when there is a "real" looking desktop 11:05 ogra for now i'm fine to act as proxy for pics 11:06 RichEd LaserJock: agreed on the above ... for a default ship wallpaper, "muted" graphics work best to avoid "eye clutter" 11:06 RichEd but i think that kids would dig the sort of thing she has provided as an optional choice 11:06 ogra yeah 11:07 LaserJock I think the key is to get a good number of choices 11:07 LaserJock not perfection first round 11:07 LaserJock then she can refine them with feedback 11:07 RichEd For attempt #1 ... I think a fine effort 11:07 ogra thats definately a good starter for the kids desktop ... 11:07 RichEd What default wallpaper will 7.10 ship with ? 11:07 RichEd ogra ? 11:07 LaserJock I hate for her to go through all the trouble to get it perfect and then have use "well, I was really thinking ..." 11:08 ogra RichEd, abstract, somewhat educational 11:08 ogra RichEd, apparently everybody loved the edgy wallpaper 11:08 RichEd do we have a viewable sample ? so that I can show her ? 11:08 ogra so we should probably try to go that way 11:08 RichEd of gutsy ? 11:09 RichEd I'll try to get a page up with all of the defaults we've shipped ... to show her the "abstract" concept (of such a page does not exist) 11:10 RichEd okay moving on ... to WebSites 11:10 RichEd pips1: any comments ? news ? 11:11 pips1 well, none, I'm afraid. I've been busy with my day job non-stop 11:12 RichEd okay :) we understand 11:12 RichEd and community ? 11:13 RichEd LaserJock: do you want to mention the fridge story you are putting up ? 11:13 LaserJock well, check out Fridge 11:13 LaserJock :-) 11:14 LaserJock it's an interesting project FOSSCom and Ubuntu Education are doing 11:14 LaserJock about how formal education might learn from FLOSS 11:14 LaserJock kinda "hackers turned education research subjects" sound ;-) 11:14 RichEd that comment is about FLOSSCom ... the project about taking the lessons of Open Source developement collaboration ... and extending into other general education areas 11:15 RichEd they are hosting a summer university ... and are using Launchpad and the Ubuntu wiki for hosting projects and info 11:15 RichEd check out the fridge for more ... LaserJock does the story have a link to the ubuntu wiki page ? 11:16 pips1 no, but to launchpad project 11:16 LaserJock hmm, it does to the list of meeting 11:16 LaserJock s 11:16 pips1 ah, correct 11:16 LaserJock but it does to Launchpad and FOSSCom website 11:17 RichEd https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FLOSSCom 11:17 RichEd ... 11:18 RichEd And finally on the Planning Topic ... I still need to split the meeting agenda's and mail out to the lists 11:18 RichEd Just a comment to LaserJock regarding our discussion 2 weeks ago ... 11:18 pips1 I think the links in the announcement work well ... I vaguely remember recommending Andreas NOT to link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FLOSSCom directly, because the information there is a bit overwhelming 11:19 RichEd tonight used up a full hour for tech ... 11:19 RichEd (^ pips1 makes sense) 11:19 RichEd So I think an hour meeting for edubuntu-devel and an hour for edubuntu-users is not unreasonable 11:19 RichEd --- 11:20 LaserJock RichEd: well, we didn't at all go according to the new scheme either ;-) 11:20 LaserJock but point taken 11:20 RichEd Any other topics anyone else wants to raise for tonight ? 11:21 RichEd ogra: any other points / discussions ? 11:21 ogra not really ... 11:21 RichEd going once ... 11:22 LaserJock nope 11:22 LaserJock go for it 11:22 RichEd going twice ... 11:22 RichEd ! BONG ! 11:22 ubotu Sorry, I don't know anything about bong ! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi 11:22 RichEd thanks all 11:22 ogra thanks :) 11:22 ogra yay, bed .... 11:22 pips1 LOL about ubuntu 11:23 pips1 LOL about ubotu 11:23 pips1 I meant 11:23 pips1 good night 11:23 RichEd ubotu does not know want a bong is ... he clearly was not a student ;) 11:23 ogra night 11:23 RichEd night all
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