2011-06-14

Meeting started by Lcawte at 11:38:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.touchlay.com/ubuntu-gaming.2011-06-14.log.html .

Meeting summary

HELP: (Lcawte, 11:40:02)

  • Website
  • Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team
  • Goals
  • Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team
  • Membership

ACTION: Check to see if Ubuntu CoC must be signed (Lcawte, 11:54:46) ACTION: Find out what position we are in to change goals of the team (Lcawte, 11:55:03) LINK: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk (AlanBell, 11:59:02) ACTION: We should decide on some chairing system (Lcawte, 12:01:40)

  • Purpose of the team? Marketing/Promotion?

ACTION: We do not become purely promotional (Lcawte, 12:11:33)

  • Website, Games (and Games Database)

LINK: http://www.phpbb.com/ (Mkaysi, 12:21:50) ACTION: Create a games database connected to a site in the nearish future (Lcawte, 12:28:58) ACTION: Vote on further database details at a later point (Lcawte, 12:29:38)

  • Game Servers
  • Meetings

Meeting ended at 13:10:48 UTC.

Votes

  • Have the team completely open
    • For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 2
  • Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about
    • For: 3 Against: 2 Abstained: 2
  • Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)
    • For: 3 Against: 1 Abstained: 1
  • Do we want to have some form of chair or leadership?
    • For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 1
  • Staying a purely promotion/marketing team
    • For: 0 Against: 5 Abstained: 0
  • Are you happy for Lcawte to continue as acting chair until a replacement is found or considered
    • For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 0
  • Weekly - Saturdays 2PM UTC
    • For: 3 Against: 1 Abstained: 1

Action items

  • Check to see if Ubuntu CoC must be signed
  • Find out what position we are in to change goals of the team
  • We should decide on some chairing system
  • We do not become purely promotional
  • Create a games database connected to a site in the nearish future
  • Vote on further database details at a later point

People present (lines said)

  • Lcawte (150)
  • MootBot-AT (100)

  • Mkaysi (83)
  • Core_UK (76)
  • hamitron (56)
  • MichealH (47)
  • hakimsheriff (46)
  • BigRedS (41)
  • AlanBell (10)

  • AndrewMC (4)
  • popey (1)

Full Log

  • 11:38:06 <Lcawte> #startmeeting

    11:38:06 <MootBot-AT> Meeting started Tue Jun 14 11:38:06 2011 UTC. The chair is Lcawte. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.

    11:38:06 <MootBot-AT> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.

    11:38:16 <Mkaysi> After someone starts meeting where did we left?

    11:38:59 <MichealH> Lcawte: If you want it on the wiki... I suggest re-doing

    11:39:28 <Core_UK> I do not mind restarting

    11:39:37 <Core_UK> good practice to use the bot Smile :)

    11:39:41 <Mkaysi> Did we decide anything?

    11:39:42 <MichealH> Indeed so.

    11:39:49 <Mkaysi> #vote Restart the meeting?

    11:40:02 <Lcawte> #help

    11:40:18 <Mkaysi> <MootBot-AT> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.

    11:40:45 <Lcawte> Wow, I'll need some time to learn this..

    11:40:53 <MichealH> Lcawte: #chair MichealH

    11:40:57 <MichealH> I can take it from there

    11:40:58 <Lcawte> #chair MichealH

    11:40:58 <MootBot-AT> Current chairs: Lcawte MichealH

    11:41:10 <MichealH> So... We are restarting?

    11:41:14 <Lcawte> All in favour?

    11:41:14 <Core_UK> yes

    11:41:21 <Core_UK> o/

    11:41:30 <MichealH> #topic Website

    11:41:30 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Website

    11:41:39 <Lcawte> Really?

    11:41:50 <Lcawte> (The agenda is not in order)

    11:41:56 <MichealH> Oh?

    11:42:09 <MichealH> What should I do first then?

    11:42:12 <Core_UK> goals was the topic

    11:42:14 <Core_UK> Smile :)

    11:42:23 <Lcawte> #topic Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team

    11:42:23 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team

    11:42:23 <MichealH> #topic Goals

    11:42:23 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Goals

    11:42:27 <MichealH> Gah

    11:42:30 <Lcawte> lol

    11:42:30 <Core_UK> haha

    11:42:36 <MichealH> #topic Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team

    11:42:36 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team

    11:42:39 <MichealH> There :P

    11:42:45 <Lcawte> ok

    11:43:00 <MichealH> OOhhh The logs will be messy xD

    11:43:04 <Lcawte> Yep..

    11:43:17 <Lcawte> I'm tempted to edit into the wiki version all the old logs and clean it up a bit

    11:43:31 <Core_UK> hello AlanBell AndrewMC

    11:43:36 <Lcawte> It suddenly got busier..

    11:43:36 <AndrewMC> hello!

    11:43:53 <Core_UK> Okay so we were discussing the goals

    11:44:13 <Core_UK> the ultimate goal being to attack gamers to ubuntu?

    11:44:18 <Core_UK> attract*

    11:44:19 <Lcawte> So, does anyone remember some of the points we came up with or shall I scroll and copy/paste

    11:44:31 <Lcawte> I think that was about right

    11:44:43 <hakimsheriff> Copy and paste to be sure

    11:45:13 <hakimsheriff> Sorry im having probs with my internet

    11:45:17 <Core_UK> and the focus on foss gaming to be expanded into gaming in general

    11:45:29 <Mkaysi> hakimsheriff: No problem

    11:45:53 <Core_UK> the focus being foss but encouraging gaming in general to be beneficial and not out of the question?

    11:46:22 <Lcawte> Yep, something like that...

    11:46:25 <hakimsheriff> Correct

    11:46:41 <Lcawte> #topic Membership

    11:46:41 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Membership

    11:46:43 <hakimsheriff> Wink ;)

    11:47:11 <Lcawte> Membership... Currently, membership has been open, and its been an inactive, unorganised team... I guess we still want it open, but do we want to assign supervisors to certain areas/a chair etc?

    11:47:36 <hakimsheriff> Maybe a chair team

    11:47:37 <hamitron> do we get to vote? Big Grin :)

    11:47:56 <BigRedS> some figurehead would make sense

    11:48:02 <MichealH> Lcawte: To start a vote.. do #vote Thing to Vote for

    11:48:15 <MichealH> AlanBell: Crash course is full of course Smile :)

    11:48:24 <Core_UK> Well

    11:48:37 <Lcawte> (we'll vote on goals after we've discussed this bit, just to stop that much disruption)

    11:48:51 <Mkaysi> Lcawte: Don't worry, MichealH is always talking about crash course when someone is using meetingology clone

    11:49:02 <Core_UK> Smile :)

    11:49:22 <MichealH> He says he has no experience with a meeting bot :P

    11:49:25 <Lcawte> I'm in favour of some sort of leadership or chairing, especially in meetings

    11:49:39 <Lcawte> MichealH: I'm mostly new to this ubuntu team stuff :P

    11:49:49 <hamitron> be useful if we have some "work" planned too

    11:49:49 <AndrewMC> ( its really not my place since I am not a team member but I have a suggestion) allow anyone to join but have a process they have to complete for them to be able to join. I am the leader of Ubuntu Youth and our process is that people make a LP page, wiki page and sign the CoC before they can get approved

    11:50:17 <Core_UK> AndrewMC: none of us are member as such, as the team has been inactive for a while (like a year+?)

    11:50:26 <MichealH> Lcawte: Im afk, when I get back I can show you the ropes or something Smile :)

    11:50:33 <MichealH> See ya

    11:51:35 <Lcawte> AndrewMC: that made me kind of want to not join it.. that, and the mentor bit... I'm a youth and I've signed CoC and made my Wiki page... so I'm not so keen on that much of a vetting procedure...

    11:52:00 <Lcawte> And, its an open discussion, this team hasn't been active in ages, so its kind of a relaunch

    11:52:17 <Lcawte> #vote Have the team completely open

    11:52:17 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Have the team completely open

    11:52:17 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)

    11:52:26 <hakimsheriff> I say no membership process

    11:52:33 <Lcawte> +1

    11:52:33 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Lcawte

    11:52:45 <Mkaysi> +0

    11:52:53 <hakimsheriff> +1

    11:52:53 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hakimsheriff

    11:52:56 <hamitron> open?

    11:53:01 <BigRedS> +1

    11:53:01 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from BigRedS

    11:53:05 <AndrewMC> +0

    11:53:07 <Mkaysi> Is MootBot-AT ignoring me?

    11:53:08 <hamitron> like no hoops?

    11:53:09 <AndrewMC> 0

    11:53:09 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from AndrewMC

    11:53:10 <Lcawte> (Anyone can join / leave as they wih)

    11:53:11 <hamitron> :/

    11:53:13 <Mkaysi> 0

    11:53:13 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from Mkaysi

    11:53:15 <hamitron> +1

    11:53:15 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hamitron

    11:53:31 <Core_UK> well

    11:53:43 <Lcawte> #voters

    11:53:43 <MootBot-AT> Current voters:

    11:53:48 <Mkaysi> AlanBell: Bug: it says "by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel" and it's "0"

    11:53:48 <Core_UK> is it not mandatory for any ubuntu team for members to have signed the CoC?

    11:54:05 <Core_UK> +1

    11:54:05 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Core_UK

    11:54:17 <Lcawte> Hmm, maybe... I'm not sure, I know I've signed it though

    11:54:27 <Core_UK> that can be an action to find out

    11:54:30 <BigRedS> I've not signed it. I've no idea if I'm a member of ubuntu-uk

    11:54:31 <Lcawte> Yeah

    11:54:46 <Lcawte> #action Check to see if Ubuntu CoC must be signed

    11:54:46 * MootBot-AT Check to see if Ubuntu CoC must be signed

    11:55:03 <Lcawte> #action Find out what position we are in to change goals of the team

    11:55:03 * MootBot-AT Find out what position we are in to change goals of the team

    11:55:03 <Core_UK> along with defining the scope of power members in the ubuntu team have

    11:55:10 <Core_UK> yes

    11:55:14 <Core_UK> u said it already

    11:55:24 <popey> dont forget to #endvote

    11:55:29 <Lcawte> #endvote

    11:55:29 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Have the team completely open

    11:55:29 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2

    11:55:29 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried

    11:55:31 <Core_UK> there is probably a document/wiki page outlining it - never read it myself

    11:56:31 <Lcawte> Ok, now.. what else have we got

    11:57:01 <hamitron> we voting on the CoC requirement?

    11:57:17 <Lcawte> Got to check if thats required by Ubuntu first...

    11:57:24 <hakimsheriff> I think it is

    11:57:25 <Core_UK> hamitron: we cannot as we are not sure if we have the power to do so

    11:57:27 <BigRedS> I'd guess that 'open' is now 'as open as possible'

    11:57:29 <Mkaysi> hakimsheriff: We voted for it already.

    11:57:33 <Lcawte> #vote Do we want to have some form of chair or leadership?

    11:57:33 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Do we want to have some form of chair or leadership?

    11:57:33 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)

    11:57:35 <Mkaysi> Oh, it wasn't that.

    11:57:46 <hamitron> +1

    11:57:46 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hamitron

    11:57:47 <Mkaysi> +1

    11:57:47 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi

    11:57:48 <Lcawte> +1

    11:57:48 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Lcawte

    11:57:49 <BigRedS> since we might be unable to vote on whether to require CoC

    11:57:50 <Core_UK> topics not covered: website, games, database

    11:57:56 <AlanBell> BigRedS: you are, there is no CoC requirement for the LoCo

    11:57:59 <Lcawte> (going to get to them)

    11:58:01 <hakimsheriff> 0

    11:58:01 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hakimsheriff

    11:58:05 <MichealH> +1

    11:58:05 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from MichealH

    11:58:07 <MichealH> They do it at my loco Smile :)

    11:58:08 <BigRedS> whoo! 11:58:11 * BigRedS revels in membership!

    11:58:22 <Core_UK> as per the wiki page Lcawte posted

    11:58:43 <Mkaysi> AlanBell: How to join LoCo? Are they open teams?

    11:58:52 <Lcawte> UK loco team is Smile :)

    11:58:53 <AlanBell> -uk is an open team

    11:58:57 <Mkaysi> Ok

    11:59:02 <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk 11:59:03 * Mkaysi checks is -fi open

    11:59:13 <Lcawte> Any more votes on chair?

    11:59:14 <Lcawte> #voters

    11:59:14 <MootBot-AT> Current voters:

    11:59:23 <Core_UK> +1

    11:59:23 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Core_UK

    11:59:25 <MichealH> Mkaysi: There is a Finnish one?

    11:59:31 <Mkaysi> "restricted" Sad :(

    11:59:34 <MichealH> Lcawte: #endvote :P

    11:59:37 <Mkaysi> MichealH: I just found it

    11:59:51 <Lcawte> MichealH: why, how many votes have we got?

    11:59:57 <Lcawte> Last vote there were 7

    12:00:08 <MichealH> It tells you when it finishes

    12:00:10 <MichealH> :p

    12:00:26 <Lcawte> Final call for votes on chair/leadership

    12:00:39 <Core_UK> AlanBell: it should give a tally to know when to #endvote Smile :)

    12:01:18 <Lcawte> #endvote

    12:01:18 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Do we want to have some form of chair or leadership?

    12:01:18 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1

    12:01:18 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried

    12:01:19 <AlanBell> Core_UK: the general principal is that it keeps it's mouth shut most of the time

    12:01:40 <Lcawte> #action We should decide on some chairing system

    12:01:40 * MootBot-AT We should decide on some chairing system

    12:02:00 <Lcawte> #topic Purpose of the team? Marketing/Promotion?

    12:02:00 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Purpose of the team? Marketing/Promotion?

    12:02:20 <Core_UK> AlanBell: I meant a command to do so

    12:02:31 <AlanBell> Core_UK: good suggestion

    12:02:36 <Lcawte> So, we're "part of the Ubuntu Marketing Team"... do we want to stay purely that?

    12:02:48 <AlanBell> the #voters command allows you to restrict the eligible voters to a small list, good for council votes with a big audience

    12:03:12 <Core_UK> I say no Smile :)

    12:03:38 <AlanBell> do you want more games in the software centre?

    12:03:39 <Core_UK> in hindsight it can be said that did not work (as the team became inactive)

    12:03:44 <Lcawte> Any suggestions of whatelse? I know there was a gaming clan at some point

    12:04:09 <Core_UK> AlanBell: do you mean packing them like the debian-gaming team does?

    12:04:15 <Core_UK> sorry packaging*

    12:04:21 <hamitron> organised game events can certainly help keep an interest

    12:04:29 <Lcawte> Yeah...

    12:04:34 <hamitron> with different "supported" games

    12:04:43 <Core_UK> well I was going to bring that up with the website

    12:05:01 <hakimsheriff> Any idea how much before the meeting ends?

    12:05:08 <hakimsheriff> Time

    12:05:12 <Lcawte> And I was going to bring up what hamitron said with "games and database"

    12:05:29 <Lcawte> hakimsheriff: not sure.. thats why I didn't say anything in the email...

    12:05:40 <Core_UK> creating a more community approach such as, events for games, multiplayer matchs etc

    12:05:59 <hakimsheriff> Agree

    12:06:00 <Core_UK> depending on participation tournaments, achievements etc etc

    12:06:37 <Lcawte> #vote Staying a purely promotion/marketing team

    12:06:37 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Staying a purely promotion/marketing team

    12:06:37 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)

    12:06:40 <Lcawte> -1

    12:06:40 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Lcawte

    12:06:46 <hamitron> -1

    12:06:46 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from hamitron

    12:06:48 <Core_UK> -1

    12:06:48 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Core_UK

    12:07:00 <BigRedS> -1

    12:07:00 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from BigRedS

    12:07:01 <Mkaysi> About that keeping this team open or not, we can't have PPAs, if this is open.

    12:07:18 <Mkaysi> -1

    12:07:18 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Mkaysi

    12:07:34 <BigRedS> that earlier vote should perhaps have been more informed

    12:07:34 <Core_UK> Mkaysi: you mean for packages?

    12:07:41 <Mkaysi> Core_UK: Yes

    12:07:53 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Have you seen PlayDeb? :P

    12:07:53 <Lcawte> Mkaysi: we could of course, have a subteam..

    12:07:54 <Mkaysi> LaunchPad says that open teams can't have PPAs

    12:08:03 <Core_UK> well if we are organising the structure of the team, that section does not need to be open

    12:08:09 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Yes I have, and I have also seen GetDeb

    12:08:10 <Core_UK> or could be delegated

    12:08:15 <Core_UK> ahh Lcawte beat me again ><

    12:08:18 <Lcawte> Vote will run untul 5 past

    12:08:22 <Lcawte> until*

    12:08:50 <hamitron> I guess we need to decide what is been done, then tweak things when the time comes?

    12:09:05 <Mkaysi> +1

    12:09:05 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi

    12:09:09 <Mkaysi> What?

    12:09:24 <Mkaysi> What did I vote?

    12:09:24 <Lcawte> Mkaysi: the vote was to being purely marketing

    12:09:29 <Mkaysi> -1

    12:09:29 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Mkaysi

    12:09:32 <Lcawte> Smile :)

    12:09:33 <hamitron> Big Grin :) 12:09:45 * Mkaysi meant to +1 that what hamitron said

    12:09:50 <Lcawte> Just a question, does anyone have much wiki experience (Ubuntu Wiki)?

    12:09:53 <Core_UK> I have never seen that playdeb before, that is really cool!

    12:10:19 <Mkaysi> Core_UK: Add GetDeb too.

    12:10:32 <Lcawte> And does anyone have anything they would like to be discussed?

    12:11:18 <Lcawte> #endvote

    12:11:18 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Staying a purely promotion/marketing team

    12:11:18 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:0 Votes against:5 Abstentions:0

    12:11:18 <MootBot-AT> Motion denied

    12:11:33 <Lcawte> #action We do not become purely promotional

    12:11:33 * MootBot-AT We do not become purely promotional

    12:12:15 <Lcawte> I don't think I'm using that command right

    12:12:26 <Lcawte> #topic Website, Games (and Games Database)

    12:12:26 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Website, Games (and Games Database)

    12:12:45 <Lcawte> Right.. a few things, and I feel like they all clash..

    12:13:28 <Lcawte> Games Database is mainly... do we want to only support certain games, and if so, do we then build a database of info (graphics, genre of game etc)...

    12:14:20 <BigRedS> surely supporting whatever we can to start with makes more sense? A games db sounds alarminly close to replicated work

    12:14:50 <Lcawte> Yeah, its an idea I'm not huge on, but I thought I'd bring up before anyone else did

    12:14:57 <Mkaysi> Question: Where to host it? And what program it should run on? MediaWiki?

    12:15:09 <hamitron> it depends what information is there and what the overall target it

    12:15:10 <BigRedS> what's 'it'?

    12:15:15 <hamitron> is*

    12:15:26 <Lcawte> I like MediaWiki Big Grin :) But that will come in next

    12:15:45 <Core_UK> yeah there is a wealth of options there

    12:15:48 <Mkaysi> And should everyone be able to edit it or just team members?

    12:16:08 <BigRedS> if it's a wiki, everyone

    12:16:08 <Core_UK> There should be a forum

    12:16:14 <BigRedS> (with a captcha)

    12:16:16 * Mkaysi has seen closed MediaWikis like http://fosssnet.info(

    12:16:18 <Lcawte> I don't know, I guess, Genre, License, PPA Support, Cost, Download Links, Awards... (database)

    12:16:38 <Lcawte> Ok, website wise...

    12:16:51 <BigRedS> Lcawte: that must exist already sans the PPA field. We should just get whoever's got that db to add a field for us Smile :)

    12:17:27 <Mkaysi> I think that if we create a (closed) subteam, we can get PPA to launchpad

    12:17:33 <MichealH> I can do a nice website for you guys

    12:17:50 <Lcawte> I personally, am a huge fan of MediaWiki, I know a bunch of the developers, but I've worked with WordPress, Joomla and Drupal... I'm no web designer though

    12:18:04 <hamitron> would this database include just information on "supported" games? or bits of whatever people want?

    12:18:27 <Lcawte> hamitron: that comes down to a decision I'm not going to make by myself

    12:18:29 <Mkaysi> And would it include only FOSS games?

    12:18:50 <BigRedS> surely before working out which CMS or whatever to use it should be decided what the site should contain, and before that what it's for? Which would require presumably some small dedicated team?

    12:19:08 <Lcawte> hmm... good point

    12:19:20 <Core_UK> yes

    12:19:34 <Core_UK> forum with sections for each game we run events for

    12:19:47 <Core_UK> or multiplayers etc

    12:19:48 <Lcawte> I don't really think there is any point in a forum if we have a mailing list.. or vise versa..

    12:19:59 <BigRedS> It just seems that there's a lot of "we need a db and a website and I want to use wordpress and have a PPA field and index the game names" and not so much "right, what do we do?"

    12:20:06 <Lcawte> Gaming events can be announced via mailing list and say, blog

    12:20:26 <Mkaysi> Forum could be easily created with Google Groups and if we need open source forum, I'm sure that they exist.

    12:20:44 <BigRedS> yeah

    12:20:50 <Mkaysi> What forum is that which is used by Ubuntu Youth forum?

    12:20:53 <BigRedS> there's loads of oss forums

    12:21:10 <MichealH> Mkaysi: PhpBB

    12:21:20 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Ask phillw about the Details :P

    12:21:36 <BigRedS> ew

    12:21:50 <Mkaysi> http://www.phpbb.com/

    12:23:28 <Core_UK> i think gamers generally are more familiar with forums as opposed to mailing lists

    12:23:33 <Lcawte> So, I think somewhere where we can say what we do, announce things, and if we're going to be doing some promotional stuff, like screenshots, some artwork, posters etc... we should be able to share that somehow

    12:23:40 <Lcawte> Yeah

    12:24:10 <Mkaysi> hakimsheriff: We have choosed to be more than only marketing team and we are now discussing about creating game database and/or forum

    12:24:15 <MichealH> Yup

    12:24:32 <MichealH> The Minecrafters are Generally more Forum freindly, I have noticed

    12:24:32 <hakimsheriff> Great Smile :)

    12:24:45 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Is it down?

    12:24:46 <Core_UK> forum does have to be used for announcements

    12:24:48 <BigRedS> tbh, a game database seems like a dumb idea right now

    12:24:52 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Dunno Big Grin :)

    12:24:58 <Lcawte> #vote Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about

    12:24:58 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about

    12:24:58 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)

    12:25:00 <Core_UK> doesn't*

    12:25:01 <Lcawte> 0

    12:25:01 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from Lcawte

    12:25:07 <Mkaysi> +1

    12:25:07 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi

    12:25:14 <MichealH> +1

    12:25:14 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from MichealH

    12:25:20 <BigRedS> -1

    12:25:20 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from BigRedS

    12:25:24 <MichealH> Game Database about all FOSS games Big Grin :)

    12:25:27 <BigRedS> Perhaps in the future, but not now

    12:25:38 <Core_UK> 0

    12:25:38 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from Core_UK

    12:25:43 <Mkaysi> hakimsheriff: voting do we create a game database +1/0/-1

    12:25:49 <hamitron> that is 2 different questions

    12:25:51 <hamitron> :/

    12:25:52 <Mkaysi> <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)

    12:25:53 <hakimsheriff> 0

    12:25:53 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hakimsheriff

    12:25:56 <Mkaysi> fIL

    12:25:58 <hakimsheriff> ahh okay

    12:26:04 <Mkaysi> <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about

    12:26:13 <Lcawte> -1

    12:26:14 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Lcawte

    12:26:17 <Lcawte> Changed my mind...

    12:26:18 <BigRedS> -1

    12:26:18 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from BigRedS

    12:26:27 <BigRedS> hah, so the two who voted are now -1s...

    12:26:30 <hamitron> all games would be a copy of existing information

    12:26:34 <BigRedS> yeah

    12:26:43 <hamitron> +1 for supported

    12:26:47 <hamitron> +1

    12:26:47 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hamitron

    12:26:52 <BigRedS> there's no way to do it without replicating someone else's work, and who's going to populate it initially, and then maintain it?

    12:26:56 <Lcawte> Vote ends in 2 minutes

    12:27:24 <Lcawte> website / forums etc wise, any conclusions?

    12:27:25 <hamitron> to have a list of games that don't work, or partially work would be silly

    12:28:12 <Lcawte> #endvote

    12:28:12 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about

    12:28:12 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:3 Votes against:2 Abstentions:2

    12:28:12 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried

    12:28:12 <hamitron> imo, an active IRC channel is more important

    12:28:23 <MichealH> We could appoint people to maintain it

    12:28:58 <Lcawte> #action Create a games database connected to a site in the nearish future

    12:28:58 * MootBot-AT Create a games database connected to a site in the nearish future

    12:29:07 <Lcawte> Yeah, that'll go up with the website...

    12:29:38 <Lcawte> #action Vote on further database details at a later point

    12:29:38 * MootBot-AT Vote on further database details at a later point

    12:29:54 <Lcawte> Ok, so website, forum, blog, stuff..

    12:30:52 <Lcawte> Yes, gamers like forums... blog posts would be good to use occasionally... I think keep the mailing list for team discussions (like meeting announcements?)

    12:31:10 <Lcawte> and have a public list of members?

    12:31:12 <BigRedS> mailing list *and* a forum?

    12:31:39 <BigRedS> would people use both

    12:31:40 <BigRedS> ?

    12:31:48 <Mkaysi> Lcawte: Don't we already have public list of members at launchpad?

    12:31:59 <Mkaysi> BigRedS: What about IRC?

    12:32:14 <BigRedS> that's more immediate. Forums and mailing lists are very similar, for the same sorts of things

    12:32:23 <BigRedS> I prefer lists, so if there's both I'd not be on a forum

    12:32:36 <BigRedS> and I'd suggest that, while growing, one or the other would give a better sense of community

    12:32:51 <Core_UK> I think the team could organise the forum/site and have it as a meeting place for gamers to find other gamers and talk about games (ubuntu games sub-forum seems to be more support oriantaned)

    12:33:07 <BigRedS> the purpose of the site is probably a whole other meeting in its own right

    12:33:18 <Lcawte> I wouldn't use a mailing list for discussing gaming tactics and stuff, and I personally, would not use a forum for organising team events, my mail box is so much easier to navigate.. but I agree with the split community bit

    12:33:59 <hakimsheriff> I think forums would work better, even for organising team events

    12:34:13 <Core_UK> they can be announce there

    12:34:27 <hakimsheriff> everything in the forums and chatting on irc

    12:35:22 <Mkaysi> What if that same happens that is at UY forums? It's very inactive

    12:35:23 <Lcawte> Oh, and who is going to host this etc? I would of, in the past offered my LAMP server space for this, but my router seems to not like ports, and other things... Would Ubuntu be able to provide us with a subdomain or domain and hosting?

    12:36:20 <BigRedS> I can probably do some hosting. There'll be people with spare VPS space, surely?

    12:37:14 <Mkaysi> VPS?

    12:37:27 <Lcawte> Would anyone be brave enough to contact the relevant people at Ubuntu to talk about all these questions and things we've brought up?

    12:37:45 <Core_UK> I would if I knew who

    12:37:46 <hakimsheriff> I heard phillw does hosting for ubuntu teams

    12:37:58 <hakimsheriff> not sure though

    12:38:24 <Lcawte> AlanBell: who hosts the Ubuntu LoCo site, is it paid for by LoCo/any of its members?

    12:38:41 <BigRedS> Mkaysi: Virtual Private Server, it's a relatively cheap way to rent server space

    12:38:54 <Mkaysi> BigRedS: Ok

    12:39:10 <Lcawte> I wouldn't say cheap, but compared to dedicated server and stuff, yeah

    12:39:29 <BigRedS> well, relative to most sorts of hosting...

    12:39:42 <BigRedS> it's only really rent-a-~ that's cheaper isn't it?

    12:40:14 <hamitron> need a plan, before worrying about hosting it Wink ;)

    12:40:30 <hakimsheriff> hamitron, agreed

    12:40:58 <Lcawte> I think, a nice WordPress based home page with a blog... the homepage would be static (possible) and the blog would be for announcements, with a forum of some kind intergrated?

    12:41:29 <hakimsheriff> yes, good idea

    12:41:48 <AlanBell> Lcawte: it is hosted by a community member

    12:41:57 <AlanBell> who happens to work for Canonical now

    12:42:05 <Lcawte> oh, cool

    12:42:31 <AlanBell> server space is easy to get hold of

    12:42:48 <BigRedS> yeah. working out what to do with it is the harder bit

    12:43:24 <Lcawte> Ok, so, I don't think its worth putting a vote up for that... we'll discuss that bit on the mailing list a bit more...

    12:43:29 <Lcawte> #topic Game Servers

    12:43:29 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Game Servers

    12:43:59 <Lcawte> An interesting bit... do we want to create official team game servers? Even just if for events?

    12:44:26 <hamitron> if there is enough interest, and someone has the resources: yes Smile :)

    12:44:47 <Lcawte> resources, at the start of this is going to be a problem

    12:44:59 <hamitron> some games don't take much

    12:44:59 <Lcawte> I'd love to see a nice community minecraft server btw :P

    12:45:03 <Lcawte> And openttd 12:45:11 * hamitron pokes popey

    12:45:14 <Core_UK> yeah

    12:45:15 <BigRedS> isn't there one already?

    12:45:27 <Core_UK> there are some linux based servers

    12:45:29 <hakimsheriff> Minecraft servers can even be hosted on someones computer

    12:45:32 <Core_UK> such as linux rebals

    12:45:39 <Core_UK> rebels*

    12:45:50 <Core_UK> openttd can be hosted on a computer also

    12:45:57 <Lcawte> Yeah, cool games

    12:46:11 <Lcawte> Minecraft (client) is a RAM hog though

    12:46:15 <hamitron> bandwidth is the biggest problem for some games

    12:46:15 <Core_UK> warzone doesnt need a server dont think

    12:46:16 <BigRedS> yeah

    12:46:29 <BigRedS> it needs a good amount of ram and nothing else particularly wanting a go with it

    12:47:12 <Lcawte> Right... I have to go in a bit, any unsolved things we want to wrap up...

    12:47:18 <Lcawte> oh, right... hang on, I have one

    12:47:19 <hamitron> in my experience from other groups, choosing a game is also hard work

    12:47:40 <Lcawte> #vote Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)

    12:47:40 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)

    12:47:40 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)

    12:47:42 <Lcawte> -1

    12:47:42 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Lcawte

    12:47:49 <hamitron> 0

    12:47:49 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hamitron

    12:47:50 <Core_UK> lol

    12:47:52 <hamitron> Wink ;)

    12:48:00 <Core_UK> -1

    12:48:00 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Core_UK

    12:48:02 <Mkaysi> +1

    12:48:02 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi

    12:48:07 <Core_UK> 0

    12:48:07 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from Core_UK

    12:48:11 <Lcawte> (this one is for my own feedback more than anything)

    12:48:12 <Core_UK> +1

    12:48:12 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Core_UK

    12:48:16 <hakimsheriff> +1

    12:48:16 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hakimsheriff

    12:48:25 <Core_UK> you had the balls to do it :P

    12:48:47 <Lcawte> (You guys can say no to this, I won't eat you)

    12:49:23 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, I think you did a pretty good job

    12:49:40 <Lcawte> Improvements are welcome Smile :)

    12:49:59 <Lcawte> #endvote

    12:49:59 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)

    12:49:59 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1

    12:49:59 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried

    12:50:27 <Lcawte> #vote Are you happy for Lcawte to continue as acting chair until a replacement is found or considered

    12:50:27 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Are you happy for Lcawte to continue as acting chair until a replacement is found or considered

    12:50:27 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)

    12:50:37 <Mkaysi> +1

    12:50:37 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi

    12:50:42 <hakimsheriff> +1

    12:50:42 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hakimsheriff

    12:50:43 <Lcawte> One of you guys can have chair if you want it!

    12:50:50 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Are you willing to replace him?

    12:50:53 <hamitron> +1

    12:50:53 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hamitron

    12:50:53 <Mkaysi> :�

    12:50:59 <Mkaysi> *:P

    12:51:11 <hakimsheriff> WHat about a chairing team?

    12:51:12 <Core_UK> +1

    12:51:12 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Core_UK

    12:51:51 <Lcawte> Eventually, I think all of you guys who are here, should make it onto a chairing team if we had one.. but at the moment, I think we're too small to have more than 2/3 people on the chair

    12:52:32 <Lcawte> #endvote

    12:52:32 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Are you happy for Lcawte to continue as acting chair until a replacement is found or considered

    12:52:32 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0

    12:52:32 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried

    12:52:38 <hamitron> imo, 1 is enough for now Wink ;)

    12:52:41 <hakimsheriff> We should advertise that this team is back to get ineterest

    12:52:51 <hakimsheriff> *intrest

    12:52:59 <Lcawte> Yeah, I'm going to contact Ubuntu first... to see what we can and can't do etc

    12:53:08 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, Great!

    12:53:25 <hamitron> I'd suggest we get things a little more focused before advertising

    12:53:41 <hamitron> can be bad to launch a "product" before it is ready

    12:53:56 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Hmm?

    12:54:01 <Core_UK> true

    12:54:03 <hamitron> I still dunno what we are aiming to do :/

    12:54:03 <Lcawte> Also, if we want to fund say, servers, how could we generate money for that? I could think of some cool tshirts but I can't produce them, or afford them Sad :(

    12:54:13 <Mkaysi> MichealH: I thought that you wanted to chair :P

    12:54:28 <Lcawte> I'm going to tidy up the wiki a bit as well... that might help

    12:54:32 <Mkaysi> MichealH: <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)

    12:54:50 <hamitron> Lcawte: depends on the game

    12:54:51 <hakimsheriff> and send the meeting logs to the rest of the e-mail list

    12:54:52 <hamitron> Smile :)

    12:55:10 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Lcawte: Im just doing something else atm, but yeah I want to chair

    12:55:15 <Core_UK> i can host openttd

    12:55:34 <Mkaysi> openttd?

    12:55:37 <Lcawte> hamitron: yeah, for more heavy games, or popular servers

    12:55:50 <Core_UK> Mkaysi: its a transport game

    12:55:53 <Lcawte> MichealH: I think we can work something out

    12:56:08 <Mkaysi> Core_UK: Ok. I thought that it's VPS program

    12:56:19 <Core_UK> its cool

    12:56:23 <Core_UK> really fun

    12:56:29 <Lcawte> Oh, and how often are you guys happy to have meetings like this (or improved), there will still be discussion on the mailing list and things

    12:56:39 <Lcawte> OpenTTD doesn't have a Natty package Sad :(

    12:56:50 <Core_UK> well we can package one Smile :)

    12:57:05 <Lcawte> Yeah, Launchpad Recipes don't like me

    12:57:07 <Mkaysi> With checkinstall?

    12:57:16 <Lcawte> so I'll let you do the packaging of that 12:57:22 * Mkaysi can package only by using checkinstall

    12:57:37 <Mkaysi> make && sudo checkinstall -D

    12:57:45 <Lcawte> #topic Meetings

    12:57:45 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Meetings

    12:58:10 <Mkaysi> By the way, why isn't MootBot-AT opped?

    12:58:13 <hamitron> once or twice per week imo

    12:58:29 <hakimsheriff> Since this is a restart, as soon as we get the info we need

    12:58:30 <Lcawte> Mkaysi: because I don't have any flags here

    12:58:39 <Mkaysi> Ok

    12:58:39 <Lcawte> And neither does anyone else

    12:58:55 <Lcawte> I memoed the dude with +F, he's read it (earlier today) but not done anything

    12:59:13 <Mkaysi> Suggestion: keep meeting little more early if it's possible.

    12:59:17 <Mkaysi> *meetings

    12:59:21 <hakimsheriff> after the team is fully restarted goals and everything we should have meeting every 2 weeks

    12:59:26 <hamitron> earlier?!?!?!

    12:59:34 <Mkaysi> ti 14.6.2011 23.54.01 +0300

    13:00:10 <hakimsheriff> this time or any earlier is not possible for me unless it is the weekend

    13:00:11 <Lcawte> How often shall we have them is the main thing on my mind... times, can't finish later than 23UTC ish...

    13:00:14 <Mkaysi> I'm on summer holiday so now it doesn't matter, but if I have school I might not be able to be here at 23.54 Smile :)

    13:00:46 <hakimsheriff> ohh wait, yeah i will be availble on weekdays too

    13:00:50 <Mkaysi> Or then I just don't attend to some meetings and I'll just read the logs

    13:00:57 <hakimsheriff> at any time

    13:01:10 <Mkaysi> TIME

    13:01:43 <Mkaysi> Where is MootBot-AT hosted?

    13:01:43 <hamitron> most meetings won't be 2 hours, with 40 mins working out the bot? Wink ;)

    13:01:51 <MichealH> Mkaysi: My server

    13:01:53 <MichealH> :P

    13:02:00 <Lcawte> Do you guys want to meet weekly, fortnightly or monthly? Not daily though lol

    13:02:00 <MichealH> Right next to me

    13:02:01 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Where is it?

    13:02:11 <Mkaysi> MichealH: -MootBot-AT- TIME Tue Jun 14 13:01:10 2011

    13:02:11 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Right next to me, as I said

    13:02:14 <hamitron> weekly +1

    13:02:20 <Core_UK> weekly is cool with me

    13:02:23 <MichealH> WTH, That can't be right Surprised :o

    13:02:27 <Mkaysi> Weekly

    13:02:33 <Mkaysi> MichealH: I think so too

    13:02:34 <hakimsheriff> I think for now, as soon as we get all the info we need, after that weekly

    13:02:46 <Lcawte> Any preference on day of the week?

    13:02:57 <Mkaysi> Saturday

    13:03:04 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, weekends, sunday

    13:03:28 <hakimsheriff> every other staturday i am busy

    13:03:28 <MichealH> Lol its 10pM here

    13:03:31 <Mkaysi> Sunday might be little hard if some people must go to school.

    13:03:33 <MichealH> Almost

    13:03:42 <Lcawte> MichealH: United Kingdom?

    13:03:48 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Almost wednesday here

    13:03:54 <hamitron> not Thursday, Friday or Saturday

    13:03:57 <MichealH> Lcawte: Yup

    13:04:01 <hamitron> they are drinking days

    13:04:03 <hamitron> Wink ;)

    13:04:12 <hakimsheriff> what about saturday or sunday but earlier

    13:04:14 <Lcawte> MichealH: same

    13:04:36 <MichealH> Lcawte: nICE

    13:04:36 <Lcawte> Weekends any time (except later than this on sundays)

    13:04:40 <MichealH> *Nice

    13:05:06 <hamitron> 8am UDT Saturday?

    13:05:19 <MichealH> hamitron: You meant UTC?

    13:05:22 <hamitron> yeh

    13:05:28 <hamitron> begins with U

    13:05:29 <hamitron> ;/

    13:05:41 <Mkaysi> hamitron: That would be little too early for me.

    13:05:44 <hakimsheriff> to early for me

    13:05:47 <Lcawte> I can do 8AM UTC Saturday providing its cool with people

    13:05:56 <hakimsheriff> it is 4 am my time

    13:06:02 <Mkaysi> Same here

    13:06:04 <hakimsheriff> much too early

    13:06:12 <Lcawte> how about, like 3PM UTC on Saturday?

    13:06:42 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, 2pm utc would be better but 3 is fine

    13:06:57 <Lcawte> Yeah, 2PM UTC is good for me as well

    13:07:04 <Mkaysi> It's good to me

    13:07:22 <Lcawte> #vote Weekly - Saturdays 2PM UTC

    13:07:22 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Weekly - Saturdays 2PM UTC

    13:07:22 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)

    13:07:25 <Lcawte> +1

    13:07:25 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Lcawte

    13:07:32 <Lcawte> (easier to track)

    13:07:32 <hamitron> 0

    13:07:32 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hamitron

    13:07:33 <hakimsheriff> +1

    13:07:33 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hakimsheriff

    13:07:47 <Mkaysi> +1

    13:07:47 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi

    13:07:51 <Core_UK> -1

    13:07:51 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Core_UK

    13:08:06 <Lcawte> hamitron: so I'm guessing you can make it? but not sure if every week?

    13:08:10 <Mkaysi> I am in tomorrow! Big Grin :)

    13:08:18 <Lcawte> Core_UK: any better times?

    13:08:18 <Mkaysi> ke 15.6.2011 00.02.53 +0300

    13:08:20 <hamitron> I should make it 20% of the time

    13:08:29 <Lcawte> :S

    13:08:39 <Core_UK> id prefer week day evenings

    13:08:51 <hamitron> weekday evenings are easier for me

    13:09:05 <hamitron> apart from Friday

    13:09:07 <Lcawte> Hmm, shall we take this to mailing list?

    13:09:12 <hamitron> hehe

    13:09:25 <hamitron> what we need is a game of UT

    13:09:26 <hakimsheriff> hamitron, weekday evenigs works for me now but in a few months i have school

    13:09:26 <Lcawte> Infact, there is a tool Wikia uses, i'll register us for that so you guys can mark down times

    13:09:32 <hamitron> last man standing decides ;D

    13:09:50 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, Great!

    13:10:43 <Lcawte> Ok guys, thanks for coming out, I've gotta run, enjoy your sleep or whatever!

    13:10:46 <Lcawte> #endvote

    13:10:46 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Weekly - Saturdays 2PM UTC

    13:10:46 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1

    13:10:46 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried

    13:10:48 <Lcawte> #endmeeting

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