GamingTeam/Meetings/IRCLogs/2011-06-14

2011-06-14

Meeting started by Lcawte at 11:38:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetings.touchlay.com/ubuntu-gaming.2011-06-14.log.html .

Meeting summary

HELP: (Lcawte, 11:40:02)

Website
Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team
Goals
Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team
Membership

ACTION: Check to see if Ubuntu CoC must be signed (Lcawte, 11:54:46) ACTION: Find out what position we are in to change goals of the team (Lcawte, 11:55:03) LINK: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk (AlanBell, 11:59:02) ACTION: We should decide on some chairing system (Lcawte, 12:01:40)

Purpose of the team? Marketing/Promotion?

ACTION: We do not become purely promotional (Lcawte, 12:11:33)

Website, Games (and Games Database)

LINK: http://www.phpbb.com/ (Mkaysi, 12:21:50) ACTION: Create a games database connected to a site in the nearish future (Lcawte, 12:28:58) ACTION: Vote on further database details at a later point (Lcawte, 12:29:38)

Game Servers
Meetings

Meeting ended at 13:10:48 UTC.

Votes

Have the team completely open
- For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 2
Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about
- For: 3 Against: 2 Abstained: 2
Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)
- For: 3 Against: 1 Abstained: 1
Do we want to have some form of chair or leadership?
- For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 1
Staying a purely promotion/marketing team
- For: 0 Against: 5 Abstained: 0
Are you happy for Lcawte to continue as acting chair until a replacement is found or considered
- For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 0
Weekly - Saturdays 2PM UTC
- For: 3 Against: 1 Abstained: 1

Action items

Check to see if Ubuntu CoC must be signed
Find out what position we are in to change goals of the team
We should decide on some chairing system
We do not become purely promotional
Create a games database connected to a site in the nearish future
Vote on further database details at a later point

People present (lines said)

Lcawte (150)
MootBot-AT (100)
Mkaysi (83)
Core_UK (76)
hamitron (56)
MichealH (47)
hakimsheriff (46)
BigRedS (41)
AlanBell (10)
AndrewMC (4)
popey (1)

Full Log

11:38:06 <Lcawte> #startmeeting
11:38:06 <MootBot-AT> Meeting started Tue Jun 14 11:38:06 2011 UTC. The chair is Lcawte. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
11:38:06 <MootBot-AT> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
11:38:16 <Mkaysi> After someone starts meeting where did we left?
11:38:59 <MichealH> Lcawte: If you want it on the wiki... I suggest re-doing
11:39:28 <Core_UK> I do not mind restarting
11:39:37 <Core_UK> good practice to use the bot
11:39:41 <Mkaysi> Did we decide anything?
11:39:42 <MichealH> Indeed so.
11:39:49 <Mkaysi> #vote Restart the meeting?
11:40:02 <Lcawte> #help
11:40:18 <Mkaysi> <MootBot-AT> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
11:40:45 <Lcawte> Wow, I'll need some time to learn this..
11:40:53 <MichealH> Lcawte: #chair MichealH
11:40:57 <MichealH> I can take it from there
11:40:58 <Lcawte> #chair MichealH
11:40:58 <MootBot-AT> Current chairs: Lcawte MichealH
11:41:10 <MichealH> So... We are restarting?
11:41:14 <Lcawte> All in favour?
11:41:14 <Core_UK> yes
11:41:21 <Core_UK> o/
11:41:30 <MichealH> #topic Website
11:41:30 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Website
11:41:39 <Lcawte> Really?
11:41:50 <Lcawte> (The agenda is not in order)
11:41:56 <MichealH> Oh?
11:42:09 <MichealH> What should I do first then?
11:42:12 <Core_UK> goals was the topic
11:42:14 <Core_UK>
11:42:23 <Lcawte> #topic Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team
11:42:23 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team
11:42:23 <MichealH> #topic Goals
11:42:23 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Goals
11:42:27 <MichealH> Gah
11:42:30 <Lcawte> lol
11:42:30 <Core_UK> haha
11:42:36 <MichealH> #topic Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team
11:42:36 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Goals and Values of the Ubuntu Gaming Team
11:42:39 <MichealH> There :P
11:42:45 <Lcawte> ok
11:43:00 <MichealH> OOhhh The logs will be messy xD
11:43:04 <Lcawte> Yep..
11:43:17 <Lcawte> I'm tempted to edit into the wiki version all the old logs and clean it up a bit
11:43:31 <Core_UK> hello AlanBell AndrewMC
11:43:36 <Lcawte> It suddenly got busier..
11:43:36 <AndrewMC> hello!
11:43:53 <Core_UK> Okay so we were discussing the goals
11:44:13 <Core_UK> the ultimate goal being to attack gamers to ubuntu?
11:44:18 <Core_UK> attract*
11:44:19 <Lcawte> So, does anyone remember some of the points we came up with or shall I scroll and copy/paste
11:44:31 <Lcawte> I think that was about right
11:44:43 <hakimsheriff> Copy and paste to be sure
11:45:13 <hakimsheriff> Sorry im having probs with my internet
11:45:17 <Core_UK> and the focus on foss gaming to be expanded into gaming in general
11:45:29 <Mkaysi> hakimsheriff: No problem
11:45:53 <Core_UK> the focus being foss but encouraging gaming in general to be beneficial and not out of the question?
11:46:22 <Lcawte> Yep, something like that...
11:46:25 <hakimsheriff> Correct
11:46:41 <Lcawte> #topic Membership
11:46:41 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Membership
11:46:43 <hakimsheriff>
11:47:11 <Lcawte> Membership... Currently, membership has been open, and its been an inactive, unorganised team... I guess we still want it open, but do we want to assign supervisors to certain areas/a chair etc?
11:47:36 <hakimsheriff> Maybe a chair team
11:47:37 <hamitron> do we get to vote?
11:47:56 <BigRedS> some figurehead would make sense
11:48:02 <MichealH> Lcawte: To start a vote.. do #vote Thing to Vote for
11:48:15 <MichealH> AlanBell: Crash course is full of course
11:48:24 <Core_UK> Well
11:48:37 <Lcawte> (we'll vote on goals after we've discussed this bit, just to stop that much disruption)
11:48:51 <Mkaysi> Lcawte: Don't worry, MichealH is always talking about crash course when someone is using meetingology clone
11:49:02 <Core_UK>
11:49:22 <MichealH> He says he has no experience with a meeting bot :P
11:49:25 <Lcawte> I'm in favour of some sort of leadership or chairing, especially in meetings
11:49:39 <Lcawte> MichealH: I'm mostly new to this ubuntu team stuff :P
11:49:49 <hamitron> be useful if we have some "work" planned too
11:49:49 <AndrewMC> ( its really not my place since I am not a team member but I have a suggestion) allow anyone to join but have a process they have to complete for them to be able to join. I am the leader of Ubuntu Youth and our process is that people make a LP page, wiki page and sign the CoC before they can get approved
11:50:17 <Core_UK> AndrewMC: none of us are member as such, as the team has been inactive for a while (like a year+?)
11:50:26 <MichealH> Lcawte: Im afk, when I get back I can show you the ropes or something
11:50:33 <MichealH> See ya
11:51:35 <Lcawte> AndrewMC: that made me kind of want to not join it.. that, and the mentor bit... I'm a youth and I've signed CoC and made my Wiki page... so I'm not so keen on that much of a vetting procedure...
11:52:00 <Lcawte> And, its an open discussion, this team hasn't been active in ages, so its kind of a relaunch
11:52:17 <Lcawte> #vote Have the team completely open
11:52:17 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Have the team completely open
11:52:17 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
11:52:26 <hakimsheriff> I say no membership process
11:52:33 <Lcawte> +1
11:52:33 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Lcawte
11:52:45 <Mkaysi> +0
11:52:53 <hakimsheriff> +1
11:52:53 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hakimsheriff
11:52:56 <hamitron> open?
11:53:01 <BigRedS> +1
11:53:01 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from BigRedS
11:53:05 <AndrewMC> +0
11:53:07 <Mkaysi> Is MootBot-AT ignoring me?
11:53:08 <hamitron> like no hoops?
11:53:09 <AndrewMC> 0
11:53:09 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from AndrewMC
11:53:10 <Lcawte> (Anyone can join / leave as they wih)
11:53:11 <hamitron> :/
11:53:13 <Mkaysi> 0
11:53:13 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from Mkaysi
11:53:15 <hamitron> +1
11:53:15 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hamitron
11:53:31 <Core_UK> well
11:53:43 <Lcawte> #voters
11:53:43 <MootBot-AT> Current voters:
11:53:48 <Mkaysi> AlanBell: Bug: it says "by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel" and it's "0"
11:53:48 <Core_UK> is it not mandatory for any ubuntu team for members to have signed the CoC?
11:54:05 <Core_UK> +1
11:54:05 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Core_UK
11:54:17 <Lcawte> Hmm, maybe... I'm not sure, I know I've signed it though
11:54:27 <Core_UK> that can be an action to find out
11:54:30 <BigRedS> I've not signed it. I've no idea if I'm a member of ubuntu-uk
11:54:31 <Lcawte> Yeah
11:54:46 <Lcawte> #action Check to see if Ubuntu CoC must be signed
11:54:46 * MootBot-AT Check to see if Ubuntu CoC must be signed
11:55:03 <Lcawte> #action Find out what position we are in to change goals of the team
11:55:03 * MootBot-AT Find out what position we are in to change goals of the team
11:55:03 <Core_UK> along with defining the scope of power members in the ubuntu team have
11:55:10 <Core_UK> yes
11:55:14 <Core_UK> u said it already
11:55:24 <popey> dont forget to #endvote
11:55:29 <Lcawte> #endvote
11:55:29 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Have the team completely open
11:55:29 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2
11:55:29 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried
11:55:31 <Core_UK> there is probably a document/wiki page outlining it - never read it myself
11:56:31 <Lcawte> Ok, now.. what else have we got
11:57:01 <hamitron> we voting on the CoC requirement?
11:57:17 <Lcawte> Got to check if thats required by Ubuntu first...
11:57:24 <hakimsheriff> I think it is
11:57:25 <Core_UK> hamitron: we cannot as we are not sure if we have the power to do so
11:57:27 <BigRedS> I'd guess that 'open' is now 'as open as possible'
11:57:29 <Mkaysi> hakimsheriff: We voted for it already.
11:57:33 <Lcawte> #vote Do we want to have some form of chair or leadership?
11:57:33 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Do we want to have some form of chair or leadership?
11:57:33 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
11:57:35 <Mkaysi> Oh, it wasn't that.
11:57:46 <hamitron> +1
11:57:46 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hamitron
11:57:47 <Mkaysi> +1
11:57:47 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi
11:57:48 <Lcawte> +1
11:57:48 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Lcawte
11:57:49 <BigRedS> since we might be unable to vote on whether to require CoC
11:57:50 <Core_UK> topics not covered: website, games, database
11:57:56 <AlanBell> BigRedS: you are, there is no CoC requirement for the LoCo
11:57:59 <Lcawte> (going to get to them)
11:58:01 <hakimsheriff> 0
11:58:01 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hakimsheriff
11:58:05 <MichealH> +1
11:58:05 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from MichealH
11:58:07 <MichealH> They do it at my loco
11:58:08 <BigRedS> whoo! 11:58:11 * BigRedS revels in membership!
11:58:22 <Core_UK> as per the wiki page Lcawte posted
11:58:43 <Mkaysi> AlanBell: How to join LoCo? Are they open teams?
11:58:52 <Lcawte> UK loco team is
11:58:53 <AlanBell> -uk is an open team
11:58:57 <Mkaysi> Ok
11:59:02 <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk 11:59:03 * Mkaysi checks is -fi open
11:59:13 <Lcawte> Any more votes on chair?
11:59:14 <Lcawte> #voters
11:59:14 <MootBot-AT> Current voters:
11:59:23 <Core_UK> +1
11:59:23 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Core_UK
11:59:25 <MichealH> Mkaysi: There is a Finnish one?
11:59:31 <Mkaysi> "restricted"
11:59:34 <MichealH> Lcawte: #endvote :P
11:59:37 <Mkaysi> MichealH: I just found it
11:59:51 <Lcawte> MichealH: why, how many votes have we got?
11:59:57 <Lcawte> Last vote there were 7
12:00:08 <MichealH> It tells you when it finishes
12:00:10 <MichealH> :p
12:00:26 <Lcawte> Final call for votes on chair/leadership
12:00:39 <Core_UK> AlanBell: it should give a tally to know when to #endvote
12:01:18 <Lcawte> #endvote
12:01:18 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Do we want to have some form of chair or leadership?
12:01:18 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
12:01:18 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried
12:01:19 <AlanBell> Core_UK: the general principal is that it keeps it's mouth shut most of the time
12:01:40 <Lcawte> #action We should decide on some chairing system
12:01:40 * MootBot-AT We should decide on some chairing system
12:02:00 <Lcawte> #topic Purpose of the team? Marketing/Promotion?
12:02:00 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Purpose of the team? Marketing/Promotion?
12:02:20 <Core_UK> AlanBell: I meant a command to do so
12:02:31 <AlanBell> Core_UK: good suggestion
12:02:36 <Lcawte> So, we're "part of the Ubuntu Marketing Team"... do we want to stay purely that?
12:02:48 <AlanBell> the #voters command allows you to restrict the eligible voters to a small list, good for council votes with a big audience
12:03:12 <Core_UK> I say no
12:03:38 <AlanBell> do you want more games in the software centre?
12:03:39 <Core_UK> in hindsight it can be said that did not work (as the team became inactive)
12:03:44 <Lcawte> Any suggestions of whatelse? I know there was a gaming clan at some point
12:04:09 <Core_UK> AlanBell: do you mean packing them like the debian-gaming team does?
12:04:15 <Core_UK> sorry packaging*
12:04:21 <hamitron> organised game events can certainly help keep an interest
12:04:29 <Lcawte> Yeah...
12:04:34 <hamitron> with different "supported" games
12:04:43 <Core_UK> well I was going to bring that up with the website
12:05:01 <hakimsheriff> Any idea how much before the meeting ends?
12:05:08 <hakimsheriff> Time
12:05:12 <Lcawte> And I was going to bring up what hamitron said with "games and database"
12:05:29 <Lcawte> hakimsheriff: not sure.. thats why I didn't say anything in the email...
12:05:40 <Core_UK> creating a more community approach such as, events for games, multiplayer matchs etc
12:05:59 <hakimsheriff> Agree
12:06:00 <Core_UK> depending on participation tournaments, achievements etc etc
12:06:37 <Lcawte> #vote Staying a purely promotion/marketing team
12:06:37 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Staying a purely promotion/marketing team
12:06:37 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
12:06:40 <Lcawte> -1
12:06:40 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Lcawte
12:06:46 <hamitron> -1
12:06:46 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from hamitron
12:06:48 <Core_UK> -1
12:06:48 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Core_UK
12:07:00 <BigRedS> -1
12:07:00 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from BigRedS
12:07:01 <Mkaysi> About that keeping this team open or not, we can't have PPAs, if this is open.
12:07:18 <Mkaysi> -1
12:07:18 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Mkaysi
12:07:34 <BigRedS> that earlier vote should perhaps have been more informed
12:07:34 <Core_UK> Mkaysi: you mean for packages?
12:07:41 <Mkaysi> Core_UK: Yes
12:07:53 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Have you seen PlayDeb? :P
12:07:53 <Lcawte> Mkaysi: we could of course, have a subteam..
12:07:54 <Mkaysi> LaunchPad says that open teams can't have PPAs
12:08:03 <Core_UK> well if we are organising the structure of the team, that section does not need to be open
12:08:09 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Yes I have, and I have also seen GetDeb
12:08:10 <Core_UK> or could be delegated
12:08:15 <Core_UK> ahh Lcawte beat me again ><
12:08:18 <Lcawte> Vote will run untul 5 past
12:08:22 <Lcawte> until*
12:08:50 <hamitron> I guess we need to decide what is been done, then tweak things when the time comes?
12:09:05 <Mkaysi> +1
12:09:05 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi
12:09:09 <Mkaysi> What?
12:09:24 <Mkaysi> What did I vote?
12:09:24 <Lcawte> Mkaysi: the vote was to being purely marketing
12:09:29 <Mkaysi> -1
12:09:29 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Mkaysi
12:09:32 <Lcawte>
12:09:33 <hamitron> 12:09:45 * Mkaysi meant to +1 that what hamitron said
12:09:50 <Lcawte> Just a question, does anyone have much wiki experience (Ubuntu Wiki)?
12:09:53 <Core_UK> I have never seen that playdeb before, that is really cool!
12:10:19 <Mkaysi> Core_UK: Add GetDeb too.
12:10:32 <Lcawte> And does anyone have anything they would like to be discussed?
12:11:18 <Lcawte> #endvote
12:11:18 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Staying a purely promotion/marketing team
12:11:18 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:0 Votes against:5 Abstentions:0
12:11:18 <MootBot-AT> Motion denied
12:11:33 <Lcawte> #action We do not become purely promotional
12:11:33 * MootBot-AT We do not become purely promotional
12:12:15 <Lcawte> I don't think I'm using that command right
12:12:26 <Lcawte> #topic Website, Games (and Games Database)
12:12:26 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Website, Games (and Games Database)
12:12:45 <Lcawte> Right.. a few things, and I feel like they all clash..
12:13:28 <Lcawte> Games Database is mainly... do we want to only support certain games, and if so, do we then build a database of info (graphics, genre of game etc)...
12:14:20 <BigRedS> surely supporting whatever we can to start with makes more sense? A games db sounds alarminly close to replicated work
12:14:50 <Lcawte> Yeah, its an idea I'm not huge on, but I thought I'd bring up before anyone else did
12:14:57 <Mkaysi> Question: Where to host it? And what program it should run on? MediaWiki?
12:15:09 <hamitron> it depends what information is there and what the overall target it
12:15:10 <BigRedS> what's 'it'?
12:15:15 <hamitron> is*
12:15:26 <Lcawte> I like MediaWiki But that will come in next
12:15:45 <Core_UK> yeah there is a wealth of options there
12:15:48 <Mkaysi> And should everyone be able to edit it or just team members?
12:16:08 <BigRedS> if it's a wiki, everyone
12:16:08 <Core_UK> There should be a forum
12:16:14 <BigRedS> (with a captcha)
12:16:16 * Mkaysi has seen closed MediaWikis like http://fosssnet.info(
12:16:18 <Lcawte> I don't know, I guess, Genre, License, PPA Support, Cost, Download Links, Awards... (database)
12:16:38 <Lcawte> Ok, website wise...
12:16:51 <BigRedS> Lcawte: that must exist already sans the PPA field. We should just get whoever's got that db to add a field for us
12:17:27 <Mkaysi> I think that if we create a (closed) subteam, we can get PPA to launchpad
12:17:33 <MichealH> I can do a nice website for you guys
12:17:50 <Lcawte> I personally, am a huge fan of MediaWiki, I know a bunch of the developers, but I've worked with WordPress, Joomla and Drupal... I'm no web designer though
12:18:04 <hamitron> would this database include just information on "supported" games? or bits of whatever people want?
12:18:27 <Lcawte> hamitron: that comes down to a decision I'm not going to make by myself
12:18:29 <Mkaysi> And would it include only FOSS games?
12:18:50 <BigRedS> surely before working out which CMS or whatever to use it should be decided what the site should contain, and before that what it's for? Which would require presumably some small dedicated team?
12:19:08 <Lcawte> hmm... good point
12:19:20 <Core_UK> yes
12:19:34 <Core_UK> forum with sections for each game we run events for
12:19:47 <Core_UK> or multiplayers etc
12:19:48 <Lcawte> I don't really think there is any point in a forum if we have a mailing list.. or vise versa..
12:19:59 <BigRedS> It just seems that there's a lot of "we need a db and a website and I want to use wordpress and have a PPA field and index the game names" and not so much "right, what do we do?"
12:20:06 <Lcawte> Gaming events can be announced via mailing list and say, blog
12:20:26 <Mkaysi> Forum could be easily created with Google Groups and if we need open source forum, I'm sure that they exist.
12:20:44 <BigRedS> yeah
12:20:50 <Mkaysi> What forum is that which is used by Ubuntu Youth forum?
12:20:53 <BigRedS> there's loads of oss forums
12:21:10 <MichealH> Mkaysi: PhpBB
12:21:20 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Ask phillw about the Details :P
12:21:36 <BigRedS> ew
12:21:50 <Mkaysi> http://www.phpbb.com/
12:23:28 <Core_UK> i think gamers generally are more familiar with forums as opposed to mailing lists
12:23:33 <Lcawte> So, I think somewhere where we can say what we do, announce things, and if we're going to be doing some promotional stuff, like screenshots, some artwork, posters etc... we should be able to share that somehow
12:23:40 <Lcawte> Yeah
12:24:10 <Mkaysi> hakimsheriff: We have choosed to be more than only marketing team and we are now discussing about creating game database and/or forum
12:24:15 <MichealH> Yup
12:24:32 <MichealH> The Minecrafters are Generally more Forum freindly, I have noticed
12:24:32 <hakimsheriff> Great
12:24:45 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Is it down?
12:24:46 <Core_UK> forum does have to be used for announcements
12:24:48 <BigRedS> tbh, a game database seems like a dumb idea right now
12:24:52 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Dunno
12:24:58 <Lcawte> #vote Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about
12:24:58 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about
12:24:58 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
12:25:00 <Core_UK> doesn't*
12:25:01 <Lcawte> 0
12:25:01 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from Lcawte
12:25:07 <Mkaysi> +1
12:25:07 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi
12:25:14 <MichealH> +1
12:25:14 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from MichealH
12:25:20 <BigRedS> -1
12:25:20 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from BigRedS
12:25:24 <MichealH> Game Database about all FOSS games
12:25:27 <BigRedS> Perhaps in the future, but not now
12:25:38 <Core_UK> 0
12:25:38 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from Core_UK
12:25:43 <Mkaysi> hakimsheriff: voting do we create a game database +1/0/-1
12:25:49 <hamitron> that is 2 different questions
12:25:51 <hamitron> :/
12:25:52 <Mkaysi> <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
12:25:53 <hakimsheriff> 0
12:25:53 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hakimsheriff
12:25:56 <Mkaysi> fIL
12:25:58 <hakimsheriff> ahh okay
12:26:04 <Mkaysi> <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about
12:26:13 <Lcawte> -1
12:26:14 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Lcawte
12:26:17 <Lcawte> Changed my mind...
12:26:18 <BigRedS> -1
12:26:18 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from BigRedS
12:26:27 <BigRedS> hah, so the two who voted are now -1s...
12:26:30 <hamitron> all games would be a copy of existing information
12:26:34 <BigRedS> yeah
12:26:43 <hamitron> +1 for supported
12:26:47 <hamitron> +1
12:26:47 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hamitron
12:26:52 <BigRedS> there's no way to do it without replicating someone else's work, and who's going to populate it initially, and then maintain it?
12:26:56 <Lcawte> Vote ends in 2 minutes
12:27:24 <Lcawte> website / forums etc wise, any conclusions?
12:27:25 <hamitron> to have a list of games that don't work, or partially work would be silly
12:28:12 <Lcawte> #endvote
12:28:12 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Do we want to create a games database of some kind, either if supported games (by us) or all games we know about
12:28:12 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:3 Votes against:2 Abstentions:2
12:28:12 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried
12:28:12 <hamitron> imo, an active IRC channel is more important
12:28:23 <MichealH> We could appoint people to maintain it
12:28:58 <Lcawte> #action Create a games database connected to a site in the nearish future
12:28:58 * MootBot-AT Create a games database connected to a site in the nearish future
12:29:07 <Lcawte> Yeah, that'll go up with the website...
12:29:38 <Lcawte> #action Vote on further database details at a later point
12:29:38 * MootBot-AT Vote on further database details at a later point
12:29:54 <Lcawte> Ok, so website, forum, blog, stuff..
12:30:52 <Lcawte> Yes, gamers like forums... blog posts would be good to use occasionally... I think keep the mailing list for team discussions (like meeting announcements?)
12:31:10 <Lcawte> and have a public list of members?
12:31:12 <BigRedS> mailing list *and* a forum?
12:31:39 <BigRedS> would people use both
12:31:40 <BigRedS> ?
12:31:48 <Mkaysi> Lcawte: Don't we already have public list of members at launchpad?
12:31:59 <Mkaysi> BigRedS: What about IRC?
12:32:14 <BigRedS> that's more immediate. Forums and mailing lists are very similar, for the same sorts of things
12:32:23 <BigRedS> I prefer lists, so if there's both I'd not be on a forum
12:32:36 <BigRedS> and I'd suggest that, while growing, one or the other would give a better sense of community
12:32:51 <Core_UK> I think the team could organise the forum/site and have it as a meeting place for gamers to find other gamers and talk about games (ubuntu games sub-forum seems to be more support oriantaned)
12:33:07 <BigRedS> the purpose of the site is probably a whole other meeting in its own right
12:33:18 <Lcawte> I wouldn't use a mailing list for discussing gaming tactics and stuff, and I personally, would not use a forum for organising team events, my mail box is so much easier to navigate.. but I agree with the split community bit
12:33:59 <hakimsheriff> I think forums would work better, even for organising team events
12:34:13 <Core_UK> they can be announce there
12:34:27 <hakimsheriff> everything in the forums and chatting on irc
12:35:22 <Mkaysi> What if that same happens that is at UY forums? It's very inactive
12:35:23 <Lcawte> Oh, and who is going to host this etc? I would of, in the past offered my LAMP server space for this, but my router seems to not like ports, and other things... Would Ubuntu be able to provide us with a subdomain or domain and hosting?
12:36:20 <BigRedS> I can probably do some hosting. There'll be people with spare VPS space, surely?
12:37:14 <Mkaysi> VPS?
12:37:27 <Lcawte> Would anyone be brave enough to contact the relevant people at Ubuntu to talk about all these questions and things we've brought up?
12:37:45 <Core_UK> I would if I knew who
12:37:46 <hakimsheriff> I heard phillw does hosting for ubuntu teams
12:37:58 <hakimsheriff> not sure though
12:38:24 <Lcawte> AlanBell: who hosts the Ubuntu LoCo site, is it paid for by LoCo/any of its members?
12:38:41 <BigRedS> Mkaysi: Virtual Private Server, it's a relatively cheap way to rent server space
12:38:54 <Mkaysi> BigRedS: Ok
12:39:10 <Lcawte> I wouldn't say cheap, but compared to dedicated server and stuff, yeah
12:39:29 <BigRedS> well, relative to most sorts of hosting...
12:39:42 <BigRedS> it's only really rent-a-~ that's cheaper isn't it?
12:40:14 <hamitron> need a plan, before worrying about hosting it
12:40:30 <hakimsheriff> hamitron, agreed
12:40:58 <Lcawte> I think, a nice WordPress based home page with a blog... the homepage would be static (possible) and the blog would be for announcements, with a forum of some kind intergrated?
12:41:29 <hakimsheriff> yes, good idea
12:41:48 <AlanBell> Lcawte: it is hosted by a community member
12:41:57 <AlanBell> who happens to work for Canonical now
12:42:05 <Lcawte> oh, cool
12:42:31 <AlanBell> server space is easy to get hold of
12:42:48 <BigRedS> yeah. working out what to do with it is the harder bit
12:43:24 <Lcawte> Ok, so, I don't think its worth putting a vote up for that... we'll discuss that bit on the mailing list a bit more...
12:43:29 <Lcawte> #topic Game Servers
12:43:29 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Game Servers
12:43:59 <Lcawte> An interesting bit... do we want to create official team game servers? Even just if for events?
12:44:26 <hamitron> if there is enough interest, and someone has the resources: yes
12:44:47 <Lcawte> resources, at the start of this is going to be a problem
12:44:59 <hamitron> some games don't take much
12:44:59 <Lcawte> I'd love to see a nice community minecraft server btw :P
12:45:03 <Lcawte> And openttd 12:45:11 * hamitron pokes popey
12:45:14 <Core_UK> yeah
12:45:15 <BigRedS> isn't there one already?
12:45:27 <Core_UK> there are some linux based servers
12:45:29 <hakimsheriff> Minecraft servers can even be hosted on someones computer
12:45:32 <Core_UK> such as linux rebals
12:45:39 <Core_UK> rebels*
12:45:50 <Core_UK> openttd can be hosted on a computer also
12:45:57 <Lcawte> Yeah, cool games
12:46:11 <Lcawte> Minecraft (client) is a RAM hog though
12:46:15 <hamitron> bandwidth is the biggest problem for some games
12:46:15 <Core_UK> warzone doesnt need a server dont think
12:46:16 <BigRedS> yeah
12:46:29 <BigRedS> it needs a good amount of ram and nothing else particularly wanting a go with it
12:47:12 <Lcawte> Right... I have to go in a bit, any unsolved things we want to wrap up...
12:47:18 <Lcawte> oh, right... hang on, I have one
12:47:19 <hamitron> in my experience from other groups, choosing a game is also hard work
12:47:40 <Lcawte> #vote Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)
12:47:40 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)
12:47:40 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
12:47:42 <Lcawte> -1
12:47:42 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Lcawte
12:47:49 <hamitron> 0
12:47:49 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hamitron
12:47:50 <Core_UK> lol
12:47:52 <hamitron>
12:48:00 <Core_UK> -1
12:48:00 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Core_UK
12:48:02 <Mkaysi> +1
12:48:02 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi
12:48:07 <Core_UK> 0
12:48:07 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from Core_UK
12:48:11 <Lcawte> (this one is for my own feedback more than anything)
12:48:12 <Core_UK> +1
12:48:12 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Core_UK
12:48:16 <hakimsheriff> +1
12:48:16 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hakimsheriff
12:48:25 <Core_UK> you had the balls to do it :P
12:48:47 <Lcawte> (You guys can say no to this, I won't eat you)
12:49:23 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, I think you did a pretty good job
12:49:40 <Lcawte> Improvements are welcome
12:49:59 <Lcawte> #endvote
12:49:59 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)
12:49:59 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1
12:49:59 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried
12:50:27 <Lcawte> #vote Are you happy for Lcawte to continue as acting chair until a replacement is found or considered
12:50:27 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Are you happy for Lcawte to continue as acting chair until a replacement is found or considered
12:50:27 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
12:50:37 <Mkaysi> +1
12:50:37 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi
12:50:42 <hakimsheriff> +1
12:50:42 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hakimsheriff
12:50:43 <Lcawte> One of you guys can have chair if you want it!
12:50:50 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Are you willing to replace him?
12:50:53 <hamitron> +1
12:50:53 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hamitron
12:50:53 <Mkaysi> :ï¿½
12:50:59 <Mkaysi> *:P
12:51:11 <hakimsheriff> WHat about a chairing team?
12:51:12 <Core_UK> +1
12:51:12 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Core_UK
12:51:51 <Lcawte> Eventually, I think all of you guys who are here, should make it onto a chairing team if we had one.. but at the moment, I think we're too small to have more than 2/3 people on the chair
12:52:32 <Lcawte> #endvote
12:52:32 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Are you happy for Lcawte to continue as acting chair until a replacement is found or considered
12:52:32 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
12:52:32 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried
12:52:38 <hamitron> imo, 1 is enough for now
12:52:41 <hakimsheriff> We should advertise that this team is back to get ineterest
12:52:51 <hakimsheriff> *intrest
12:52:59 <Lcawte> Yeah, I'm going to contact Ubuntu first... to see what we can and can't do etc
12:53:08 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, Great!
12:53:25 <hamitron> I'd suggest we get things a little more focused before advertising
12:53:41 <hamitron> can be bad to launch a "product" before it is ready
12:53:56 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Hmm?
12:54:01 <Core_UK> true
12:54:03 <hamitron> I still dunno what we are aiming to do :/
12:54:03 <Lcawte> Also, if we want to fund say, servers, how could we generate money for that? I could think of some cool tshirts but I can't produce them, or afford them
12:54:13 <Mkaysi> MichealH: I thought that you wanted to chair :P
12:54:28 <Lcawte> I'm going to tidy up the wiki a bit as well... that might help
12:54:32 <Mkaysi> MichealH: <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Do you think Lcawte did an ok job as chair (first attempt)
12:54:50 <hamitron> Lcawte: depends on the game
12:54:51 <hakimsheriff> and send the meeting logs to the rest of the e-mail list
12:54:52 <hamitron>
12:55:10 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Lcawte: Im just doing something else atm, but yeah I want to chair
12:55:15 <Core_UK> i can host openttd
12:55:34 <Mkaysi> openttd?
12:55:37 <Lcawte> hamitron: yeah, for more heavy games, or popular servers
12:55:50 <Core_UK> Mkaysi: its a transport game
12:55:53 <Lcawte> MichealH: I think we can work something out
12:56:08 <Mkaysi> Core_UK: Ok. I thought that it's VPS program
12:56:19 <Core_UK> its cool
12:56:23 <Core_UK> really fun
12:56:29 <Lcawte> Oh, and how often are you guys happy to have meetings like this (or improved), there will still be discussion on the mailing list and things
12:56:39 <Lcawte> OpenTTD doesn't have a Natty package
12:56:50 <Core_UK> well we can package one
12:57:05 <Lcawte> Yeah, Launchpad Recipes don't like me
12:57:07 <Mkaysi> With checkinstall?
12:57:16 <Lcawte> so I'll let you do the packaging of that 12:57:22 * Mkaysi can package only by using checkinstall
12:57:37 <Mkaysi> make && sudo checkinstall -D
12:57:45 <Lcawte> #topic Meetings
12:57:45 <MootBot-AT> TOPIC: Meetings
12:58:10 <Mkaysi> By the way, why isn't MootBot-AT opped?
12:58:13 <hamitron> once or twice per week imo
12:58:29 <hakimsheriff> Since this is a restart, as soon as we get the info we need
12:58:30 <Lcawte> Mkaysi: because I don't have any flags here
12:58:39 <Mkaysi> Ok
12:58:39 <Lcawte> And neither does anyone else
12:58:55 <Lcawte> I memoed the dude with +F, he's read it (earlier today) but not done anything
12:59:13 <Mkaysi> Suggestion: keep meeting little more early if it's possible.
12:59:17 <Mkaysi> *meetings
12:59:21 <hakimsheriff> after the team is fully restarted goals and everything we should have meeting every 2 weeks
12:59:26 <hamitron> earlier?!?!?!
12:59:34 <Mkaysi> ti 14.6.2011 23.54.01 +0300
13:00:10 <hakimsheriff> this time or any earlier is not possible for me unless it is the weekend
13:00:11 <Lcawte> How often shall we have them is the main thing on my mind... times, can't finish later than 23UTC ish...
13:00:14 <Mkaysi> I'm on summer holiday so now it doesn't matter, but if I have school I might not be able to be here at 23.54
13:00:46 <hakimsheriff> ohh wait, yeah i will be availble on weekdays too
13:00:50 <Mkaysi> Or then I just don't attend to some meetings and I'll just read the logs
13:00:57 <hakimsheriff> at any time
13:01:10 <Mkaysi> TIME
13:01:43 <Mkaysi> Where is MootBot-AT hosted?
13:01:43 <hamitron> most meetings won't be 2 hours, with 40 mins working out the bot?
13:01:51 <MichealH> Mkaysi: My server
13:01:53 <MichealH> :P
13:02:00 <Lcawte> Do you guys want to meet weekly, fortnightly or monthly? Not daily though lol
13:02:00 <MichealH> Right next to me
13:02:01 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Where is it?
13:02:11 <Mkaysi> MichealH: -MootBot-AT- TIME Tue Jun 14 13:01:10 2011
13:02:11 <MichealH> Mkaysi: Right next to me, as I said
13:02:14 <hamitron> weekly +1
13:02:20 <Core_UK> weekly is cool with me
13:02:23 <MichealH> WTH, That can't be right
13:02:27 <Mkaysi> Weekly
13:02:33 <Mkaysi> MichealH: I think so too
13:02:34 <hakimsheriff> I think for now, as soon as we get all the info we need, after that weekly
13:02:46 <Lcawte> Any preference on day of the week?
13:02:57 <Mkaysi> Saturday
13:03:04 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, weekends, sunday
13:03:28 <hakimsheriff> every other staturday i am busy
13:03:28 <MichealH> Lol its 10pM here
13:03:31 <Mkaysi> Sunday might be little hard if some people must go to school.
13:03:33 <MichealH> Almost
13:03:42 <Lcawte> MichealH: United Kingdom?
13:03:48 <Mkaysi> MichealH: Almost wednesday here
13:03:54 <hamitron> not Thursday, Friday or Saturday
13:03:57 <MichealH> Lcawte: Yup
13:04:01 <hamitron> they are drinking days
13:04:03 <hamitron>
13:04:12 <hakimsheriff> what about saturday or sunday but earlier
13:04:14 <Lcawte> MichealH: same
13:04:36 <MichealH> Lcawte: nICE
13:04:36 <Lcawte> Weekends any time (except later than this on sundays)
13:04:40 <MichealH> *Nice
13:05:06 <hamitron> 8am UDT Saturday?
13:05:19 <MichealH> hamitron: You meant UTC?
13:05:22 <hamitron> yeh
13:05:28 <hamitron> begins with U
13:05:29 <hamitron> ;/
13:05:41 <Mkaysi> hamitron: That would be little too early for me.
13:05:44 <hakimsheriff> to early for me
13:05:47 <Lcawte> I can do 8AM UTC Saturday providing its cool with people
13:05:56 <hakimsheriff> it is 4 am my time
13:06:02 <Mkaysi> Same here
13:06:04 <hakimsheriff> much too early
13:06:12 <Lcawte> how about, like 3PM UTC on Saturday?
13:06:42 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, 2pm utc would be better but 3 is fine
13:06:57 <Lcawte> Yeah, 2PM UTC is good for me as well
13:07:04 <Mkaysi> It's good to me
13:07:22 <Lcawte> #vote Weekly - Saturdays 2PM UTC
13:07:22 <MootBot-AT> Please vote on: Weekly - Saturdays 2PM UTC
13:07:22 <MootBot-AT> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
13:07:25 <Lcawte> +1
13:07:25 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Lcawte
13:07:32 <Lcawte> (easier to track)
13:07:32 <hamitron> 0
13:07:32 <MootBot-AT> 0 received from hamitron
13:07:33 <hakimsheriff> +1
13:07:33 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from hakimsheriff
13:07:47 <Mkaysi> +1
13:07:47 <MootBot-AT> +1 received from Mkaysi
13:07:51 <Core_UK> -1
13:07:51 <MootBot-AT> -1 received from Core_UK
13:08:06 <Lcawte> hamitron: so I'm guessing you can make it? but not sure if every week?
13:08:10 <Mkaysi> I am in tomorrow!
13:08:18 <Lcawte> Core_UK: any better times?
13:08:18 <Mkaysi> ke 15.6.2011 00.02.53 +0300
13:08:20 <hamitron> I should make it 20% of the time
13:08:29 <Lcawte> :S
13:08:39 <Core_UK> id prefer week day evenings
13:08:51 <hamitron> weekday evenings are easier for me
13:09:05 <hamitron> apart from Friday
13:09:07 <Lcawte> Hmm, shall we take this to mailing list?
13:09:12 <hamitron> hehe
13:09:25 <hamitron> what we need is a game of UT
13:09:26 <hakimsheriff> hamitron, weekday evenigs works for me now but in a few months i have school
13:09:26 <Lcawte> Infact, there is a tool Wikia uses, i'll register us for that so you guys can mark down times
13:09:32 <hamitron> last man standing decides ;D
13:09:50 <hakimsheriff> Lcawte, Great!
13:10:43 <Lcawte> Ok guys, thanks for coming out, I've gotta run, enjoy your sleep or whatever!
13:10:46 <Lcawte> #endvote
13:10:46 <MootBot-AT> Voting ended on: Weekly - Saturdays 2PM UTC
13:10:46 <MootBot-AT> Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1
13:10:46 <MootBot-AT> Motion carried
13:10:48 <Lcawte> #endmeeting

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