08:59 matthewrevell evening 09:00 GazzaK evening 09:00 thechitowncubs Good afternoon :) 09:00 matthewrevell :) 09:00 bimberi '(early) morning :) 09:01 Bilange hi! (for simplicity's sake :) 09:01 matthewrevell Bilange: Good idea! 09:01 mindspin ;-) === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:01 matthewrevell hi nixternal 09:01 Klaidas good evening :) 09:02 matthewrevell Klaidas: hi 09:02 nixternal jenda: it seems one of my clients has gotten bit by the root of bug #1...i will be about 10 to 15 minutes yet...go ahead and get rolling...i will pick back up when i get finished here 09:02 nixternal sorry. 09:02 Ubugtu Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu Dapper "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 09:02 nixternal bbiaf 09:02 jenda haha ;) 09:02 matthewrevell jenda: Howdy 09:02 jenda OK, Ubugtu has rung the gong already. 09:02 matthewrevell :) === nixternal is RichJohnson btw 09:02 nixternal bbiaf ;) 09:03 thechitowncubs Ha 09:03 matthewrevell jenda: You chairing? 09:03 jenda Strangers from distant lands... and all that jazz. We have now gathered here on the first meeting of the Marketing Team, at least for a long time. There are many people present who each have their own history of participation in the MT. Some have been working long on the ubuntupeople.com forum, others have dwelt on the mailing list - some are quite new and joined the team first right here on IRC. We have many issues on the agenda, which you can 09:03 jenda see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings 09:03 jenda matthewrevell: we'll see ;) === coopster [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dotwaffle [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:03 matthewrevell dotwaffle: evening === dotwaffle tips hat at matthewrevell === _sara [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:04 jenda Mr. T pities the foo who missed my opening speech 09:04 matthewrevell jenda: roftl 09:04 jenda The first point on the Agenda is: What are the Marketing Team's objectives? 09:04 matthewrevell jenda: Okay, may I suggest that we agree to discuss objectives on the list rather than here, this evening? 09:05 matthewrevell It's a rather big topic === jenda thinks this point is too general to dicuss here 09:05 jenda yep 09:05 jenda :) 09:05 matthewrevell :) 09:05 matthewrevell Any objections? 09:05 jenda Anyone interested in this subject, please have a look at the MT wiki and think of what you'd like to see there. 09:05 jenda 3 09:05 jenda 2 09:05 jenda 1 09:05 jenda sold === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:05 jenda Next point: 09:06 jenda How the team communicates and works. 09:06 _sara can we get a forum on the ubuntuforums 09:06 ompaul jenda, it would be nice if there was a url in the channel 09:06 jenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam 09:06 jenda sorry 09:07 matthewrevell _sara: Do you prefer forums to the mailing list? 09:07 jenda _sara: the opinion has been voiced that it isn't necessary. === zul [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting  09:07 _sara sometimes 09:07 jenda We have the wiki, the list, LP and IRC 09:08 ompaul how to bind that we have 09:08 _sara but it might not be necessary now that I really think about it 09:08 dotwaffle I find mailing lists good, but only if there is a searchable mailing list archive. Forums are all well and good, but it leads to people giving short answers instead of structured thinking. 09:08 jenda And to date, the forum has only caused resource fragmentation 09:08 jenda The list has an archive. 09:08 Bilange at the very least, please make a sticky thread on the ubuntuforums somewhere linking to our websites/mailing list and so forth 09:08 jenda Link will be added to the wiki 09:08 mindspin i agree with dotwaffle 09:08 matthewrevell dotwaffle: Possibly. My main objection to a forum is that all the other Ubuntu teams use the official lists, which mean that our official list is easy to find. 09:08 Bilange just to make sure we have some visibility to the newcomers 09:08 jenda Bilange: check 09:09 dotwaffle jenda: Yes, but it's not easily searchable for references - personally my mailing lists get purged every 14-28 days (depending on thread activity) 09:09 jenda Bilange: noted 09:09 matthewrevell dotwaffle: lists.ubuntu.com has archives 09:09 jenda Anyone have experience with searching the list? 09:09 dotwaffle matthewrevell: are they searchable? as in query style? 09:10 matthewrevell dotwaffle: Sorry, I don't know. 09:10 ompaul maybe we should ask for that "feature" if it does not exist 09:10 bimberi if not, it can be arranged surely 09:10 jenda Exactly. 09:10 GazzaK can the mailing list be intergrated into a forum? === chris-t4 [n=ChrisC@184.108.40.206] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:10 matthewrevell GazzaK: There are issues with that. It doesn't always work so well, either technically or culturally 09:10 dotwaffle Let's just remember that forums are just a web version of mailing lists, and are harder to manage as you then can't see the flow of the thread and stub out offtopic comments through ignorance rather than active pruning. 09:11 jenda Is there anyone with a good argument against a searchable archived mailing list being a full replacement for the forum? 09:11 matthewrevell jenda: Not from me. 09:11 mindspin newcomers 09:11 jenda newcomers... 09:11 matthewrevell mindspin: In what way? 09:11 Bilange otherwise, there should be a dirth google trick working, as in "inurl:ubuntu-marketing search_words domain:lists.ubuntu.com" or something similar 09:11 Bilange s/dirth/dirty 09:11 jenda mindspin: I think spreadubuntu could offer a friendly enough interface for marketing team newcomers. 09:12 mindspin newcomers sometimes shrugg when it comes to mailinglists 09:12 matthewrevell mindspin: It took me a long time to realise UbuntuPeople was used for marketing team stuff. The mailing list is kinda the obvious choice for newcomers. 09:12 matthewrevell mindspin: Because that's what the other teams use. 09:12 mindspin I absolutely favour the mailinglist 09:12 bimberi There should be one place where what the team is doing is communicated. A mailing list is the best place (imo). By all means have other "forums" (irc, webforums) but no decisions/initiatives should be considered 'official' until communicated on the list. 09:12 jenda matthewrevell: agreed. 09:12 mindspin we should deal with newcomers 09:13 jenda When I joined ubnutupeople.com, I thought it was a fan site. 09:13 _sara me too 09:13 matthewrevell mindspin: What, in that they don't like mailing lists? 09:13 jenda bimberi: agreed 09:13 _sara newcomers just don't know about them, so we need a repository of info on how to join the team 09:13 mindspin telling them to join the list and that it doesn't hurt ;-) 09:14 jenda spreadubuntu might become the first stop for new user marketeers. 09:14 matthewrevell _sara: Agreed that it needs to be as easy as possible to join the list. I'd say it's easier to find out about the list, particularly for existing Ubuntu people, than a forum. 09:14 coopster jenda: spreadubuntu should have both a newbie friendly press-release type description of the marketing team and contact info, and a link to the list search 09:14 matthewrevell mindspin: Yeah, a pain free guide would be ideal. Stick me down to write one, unless anyone else would prefer to. 09:14 jenda the MT wiki should provide a fairly usable interface as well. It lists all the communications on the top. 09:14 jenda coopster: we'll get to SU 09:15 ompaul we have a mailing list, we had a forum it was not integrated into the mailing list, it does not exist, we have a few people if they all split across the two existing interactive media that we have (irc and mail) and don't have a way to bind the conversation then there is a serious issue in terms of what we should do. 09:15 jenda matthewrevell: I'm writing it down as your job ;) 09:15 matthewrevell jenda: superb 09:15 ompaul now if you want to consider adding to that mix 09:15 ompaul you split the message 09:15 coopster jenda: well, seems relevant in that SU can be the easy to navigate intro to how to join the mailing list, and would work well with just using the wiki and ml for official chatter 09:15 ompaul as for searchable email, the current email list for 6 months is 1 meg in total download 09:15 matthewrevell ompaul: Yeah. Irc is great for meetings, brainstorming and generally getting to know each other. The ML is best for thrashing out real business, outside of meetings. IMO. 09:15 jenda coopster: it's the next point on the agenda 09:16 bimberi matthewrevell: exactly 09:16 jenda matthewrevell: +1 09:16 matthewrevell \o/ 09:16 matthewrevell :) 09:16 ompaul coopster, the wiki is less of a chatter place but a place to "store collective wisdom" === nixternal is back!!! 09:17 Bilange actually, the ubuntupeople has a good point: since I joined in the middle of threads/idea, it was way easier than on the ML to "scroll back" and read from the start 09:17 coopster ompaul: agreed, bad term 09:17 jenda welcome, nixternal. We postponed the first point on the agenda (ie. moved to the list) 09:17 nixternal i seen...good idea because it is a big one ;) 09:17 matthewrevell Bilange: That's an issue, but I believe that the benefits of using the official list outweigh that. We can point newcomers to the archives, in a friendly way. 09:18 nixternal gobby or #ubuntu-marketing would be a better alternative for drafting objectives 09:18 matthewrevell nixternal: I'd say the bulk of the work has to be done on the list, to give everyone the chance to contribute 09:18 nixternal that too 09:18 matthewrevell nixternal: Deciding on wording can be done in gobby tho' 09:18 Bilange matthewrevell, in this case, we're missing an important feature, sticky/most important threads are going to be lost in the rest, unless we rely on the main wiki page or something to point newcomers to those important threads 09:19 bimberi Bilange: yes, that's what the wiki should be for 09:19 jenda Bilange: most important threads and results should be outlined in the wiki 09:19 jenda A special place for that. 09:19 jenda I'm noting this. 09:19 GazzaK unless someone maintains a FAQ/Top Mails list? 09:19 matthewrevell Bilange: Hmmm. I think sticky threads work for chat forums, and the like, but people get blind to them. 09:19 dotwaffle Bilange: The alternative is to write a primer and a monthly "newsletter" psoted to the wiki saying whats been going on. Then people can feel better acquainted with the data before joining the discussion. 09:19 bimberi nothing is sticky, till it's on the wiki :P 09:20 matthewrevell bimberi: Ha :) 09:20 matthewrevell dotwaffle: Nice idea. 09:20 matthewrevell GazzaK: Also nice idea. 09:20 jenda dotwaffle: I don't think it needs to be monthly 09:20 matthewrevell dotwaffle, jenda: Just kinda updated as and when necessary, yeah? 09:20 jenda A special wiki page with outlines of what went on on the list is good enough. 09:20 matthewrevell brb 09:20 Bilange dotwaffle, you just gave me an idea. Ive seen on some newsgroup on the net a bot sending the same "welcome" message once every month/two weeks, to make sure newcomers has some starting point 09:21 matthewrevell back 09:21 Bilange maybe this could be applied on our ML? 09:21 dotwaffle jenda: it needs to be frequent - so that if one hasn't been made in say... 2 months, it calls for one to be made nonetheless. 09:21 jenda Bilange: technical detail 09:21 jenda dotwaffle: OK 09:21 matthewrevell Surely ad hoc is better? With most recent stuff at the top, blog-stylee 09:21 jenda OK 09:22 Bilange jenda, are you saying its impossible due to lack of resources? 09:22 jenda I think this is decided. 09:22 dotwaffle Not really editions of the publication, more of an updating of the recently discussed topics, what to know etc. 09:22 jenda Bilange: I'm saying it's not the focus now - it's easy to add at any time. 09:22 matthewrevell jenda: Yeah? 09:22 matthewrevell jenda: Sorry, meant to type more before hitting enter 09:22 jenda hehe 09:23 matthewrevell Is everyone happy to go with a mailing list, using the wiki to offer a route into the important stuff? 09:23 jenda OK, lemme sum this up so we can move on. 09:23 mindspin yup 09:23 Bilange matthewrevell, sure 09:23 bimberi matthewrevell: +1 09:23 jenda yep 09:23 nixternal quick question...are we following the agenda in order or no? did we go OT? ;) 09:23 jenda nixternal: we postponed the frist, this is the second. 09:24 Bilange nixternal, what agenda? the bullet list on the MT/Meeting wiki page? 09:24 jenda I believe we should not discuss the CC now - please read my note on the agenda and comment 09:24 nixternal i thought the 2nd was "unify the team & achieve cc approval" 09:24 jenda Bilange: yes 09:24 matthewrevell nixternal: Got the first bit sorted :) 09:24 jenda nixternal: that's what we're discussing, without the CC 09:24 nixternal roger that 09:24 jenda agreed? === nixternal sits back down ;) 09:24 matthewrevell jenda: Can you explain briefly... 09:25 coopster jenda: i agree. any member list we have right now needs to be pruned to only the active members 09:25 matthewrevell jenda: ...what the process of becoming an official Ubuntu team is? 09:25 jenda explaing what? 09:25 jenda ah 09:25 jenda matthewrevell: no i can't, haven't studied it. 09:25 jenda Oh yes 09:25 jenda thanks coopster, wouldda forgat 09:25 matthewrevell jenda: AFAIK you have to show quite a lot before even applying. 09:25 ompaul matthewrevell, it appears you do a job of work, you hand your needs to the CC and it goes forward from there 09:25 jenda matthewrevell: I don't plan to apply any time soon 09:25 matthewrevell ompaul: Cool. 09:25 nixternal are we not an official ubuntu team? we have LP, wiki, and members with Ubuntu support... ;) 09:26 matthewrevell jenda: No, I tihnk we need to really prove what we can do first. 09:26 jenda Let's not discuss that please - it's not important for the work we do. 09:26 jenda matthewrevell: yes 09:26 matthewrevell jenda: No? 09:26 jenda We do what we can 09:26 bimberi nixternal: i guess improving, formalising communication is part of that process 09:26 ompaul jenda, there are several ubuntu members in the MT - getting it rubber stamped would not be too hard 09:26 jenda ompaul: once there is some results 09:26 jenda coopster reminded me of an important point. 09:27 dotwaffle Let's find out what we're doing before we get ahead of ourselves :) 09:27 jenda Does everyone agree with member-list pruning? 09:27 ompaul jenda, we have a need, there is a mission, we have goals, and you can't have a distro team after you do the first release 09:27 nixternal +1 dotwaffle 09:27 ompaul :-) 09:27 mindspin yup the membersilt thing 09:27 matthewrevell dotwaffle: It's good to know what we're aiming for :) 09:27 coopster ompaul: i would think, results or no, having official team status is a plus, and we should do that provided it doesnt distract us from doing the things that make the results 09:27 _sara yeah for the member list pruning 09:27 matthewrevell coopster: we won't get official status without results. Anyway, let's move on :) 09:27 coopster k 09:27 nixternal @schedule chicago 09:27 Ubugtu Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Marketing Team | 29 Jun 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 04 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 05 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu 09:27 jenda And does everyone agree with removing the wiki member list? 09:27 dotwaffle what are the issues with the memberlist at the moment? Dud members? 09:27 matthewrevell jenda: Yes 09:27 jenda I'll contact all the people on it and ask them to join LP 09:28 bimberi jenda: yes, go with Launchpad 09:28 jenda dotwaffle: 70 of them 09:28 dotwaffle jenda: I see. Ok. 09:28 jenda OK, any objections? 09:28 mindspin yup launchpad 09:28 matthewrevell jenda: no === jenda is waiting for a yes ;) 09:28 jenda OK 09:28 nixternal whoa 09:28 jenda settled. 09:28 nixternal jenda..sorry 09:28 nixternal hehe 09:28 nixternal can't you put a person as inactive? 09:28 jenda yes 09:29 nixternal ok 09:29 nixternal go on then 09:29 nixternal ;) 09:29 jenda but that wouldn't really serve the purpose, me thinks... to have 70 inactive 'members' 09:29 nixternal if you don't get the response..put them inactive..don't delete just to be safe maybe 09:29 jenda Next point: SPREADUBUNTU 09:29 nixternal k 09:29 nixternal go go go 09:29 jenda nixternal: ok 09:29 dotwaffle jenda: clarify statement please === nixternal just spread some Ubuntu 09:29 bimberi hopefully becoming inactive sends an auto-email 09:29 mindspin jenda :are you talking about team members or mailing list subscribers? === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:29 jenda I created a very, very rough plan of what I think SU should look like 09:30 jenda bimberi: I'll send manually 09:30 jenda http://crashhosting.com/Spreadubuntu-060628-jenda.odg 09:30 _sara what is a odg file 09:30 dotwaffle Open Document - OO.o will open 09:30 jenda Excuse the quality, it's my first and was very quick 09:30 imbrandon open document 09:30 jenda OD Graphics === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:30 bimberi jenda: i'd call that a final myself :P 09:31 jenda We need someone to create the website, and then we can work on the content. I think I can do a large part there of myself - it's just writing. 09:31 nixternal umbrella ;) === rikai [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:31 jenda (by which I mean anyone can work on it just as easily) 09:32 nixternal jenda: i can do writing if needed 09:32 ompaul jenda, from an accessabilty perspective more contrast :-) other than that I would shrink it to fit on a sheet of paper ;-) 09:32 jenda nixternal: great 09:32 coopster jenda: i would think "donate" is a good thing to branch off of "What can I do?" 09:32 jenda ompaul: please hush ;) 09:32 jenda ompaul: that's a 10 minute sketchup 09:32 mindspin what should it look like? 09:32 jenda just to communicate what I mean. 09:32 jenda mindspin: it should look great ;) 09:32 dotwaffle I feel thre key points need to be addressed: 1) Getting people to spread the disks - possibly talk to a PC magazine or something? 2) Getting people to create stalls at computer fairs etc 3) Possibly get a feature done about Ubuntu in a major paper in each country... 09:33 matthewrevell I know we agreed to talk about general team objectives on the list, but I do think we need some discussion of what we hope we'll achieve with SU. it may seem obvious but there's no harm in discussing it. 09:33 mindspin i mean Ubuntu-like (keep CD in mind) 09:33 jenda Anyway - I'd like to see several inputs from several people. Any volunteers within the team? 09:33 matthewrevell jenda: Sure thang 09:33 jenda dotwaffle: those are the particular points to be described within. 09:33 jenda OK 09:33 dotwaffle jenda: ok, we should address points of focus individually now, then revise on the ML. 09:34 dotwaffle jenda: sure. 09:34 jenda I"ll paste what I said before to matthewrevell and ompaul in PM 09:34 mindspin ok I could give a hand for html/CSS stuff, but I'm not really good in graphics and such 09:34 jenda SU should have the two basic parts you see on the picture 09:34 jenda mindspin: noted 09:35 jenda That implies two basic goals: 09:35 jenda <jenda> To welcome a new user who has just started using and loving ubuntu 09:35 jenda <jenda> To offer to a user, who has decided to spreadubuntu, all that is needed to successfully do so locally. 09:35 Bilange same as mindspin, plus some basics in PHP/MySQL. IANAA (i am not an artist) though :) 09:36 jenda noted 09:36 mindspin testimonials should be on the frontpage 09:36 thechitowncubs I would love to help with graphics for spread ubuntu 09:36 mindspin fine 09:36 bimberi we could ask the Artwork Team for input 09:36 matthewrevell bimberi: +1 09:36 GazzaK And I will and am trying to spead knowledge in my local community 09:36 jenda The idea is that people are best basic spreaders soon after they fall in love with Ubuntu 09:36 jenda bimberi: yes, that was the plan. 09:37 jenda mindspin: not sure about that, but it can be adjusted. 09:37 jenda thechitowncubs: noted. 09:37 nixternal thechitowncubs: help out Ubuntu Chicago while your at it ;) 09:37 matthewrevell jenda: Is the idea to target new users, then? 09:37 mindspin I think its a good welcome when you see you can share "the experience" 09:37 ompaul http://www.freedos.org/ 09:37 dotwaffle A lot of canadians that I know found ubuntu not through normal channels, but in fact from Leo Laporte pimping it on Call For Help, a tech show in the US. 09:37 ompaul sorry wrong place 09:37 jenda matthewrevell: the idea is provide a DIYM interface 09:38 jenda matthewrevell: which has an easy entry point for new users 09:38 jenda You should be able to point "what is ubuntu" people to spreadubuntu.org 09:38 dotwaffle is .org the best solution? 09:38 jenda hoping that in a month, one in every fifty of them will think of convincing his family of installing the system, and the school in the next month. 09:39 dotwaffle a .com should redirect there if possible. 09:39 coopster dotwaffle: afaik we have .org and .com 09:39 jenda dotwaffle: suggestions? 09:39 jenda dotwaffle: try spreadubuntu.com 09:39 dotwaffle all good, cheers === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has left #ubuntu-meeting  09:39 jenda and .net 09:39 jenda we don't have .org though. 09:39 jenda will have to ask Jane how that's going. 09:39 mindspin what about getting local domains which point to su.org 09:39 jenda noted. 09:39 matthewrevell jenda: What are your thoughts on getting people to spreadubuntu.org? 09:39 ompaul jenda, spreading - is one thing - what is, is done rather well on www. and how to use is done on docs/help/wiki 09:40 ompaul mindspin, na fragmentation 09:40 jenda ompaul: we won't go through how to use on SU 09:40 matthewrevell Surely Ubuntu.com is the main destination, so assuming it's the right place for them to be, how do we get people to go to SpreadUbuntu? 09:40 mindspin when i type verbreite ubuntu.de and will be linked to su.com where's fragmentation? 09:40 dotwaffle matthewrevell: face to face referral 09:40 ompaul jenda sorry I was reacting to: <jenda> You should be able to point "what is ubuntu" people to spreadubuntu.org <-- I now get your meaning there 09:41 matthewrevell dotwaffle: And that's all? I'm not saying that's bad, just think it's important to have an idea. 09:41 jenda matthewrevell: that's secondary - if SU has a purpose and a form, pointing people there isn't a problem. 09:41 jenda mindspin: could be done. 09:41 matthewrevell jenda: But it is a problem :) It's *the* problem. 09:41 jenda spreadubunutu should be localised. 09:41 matthewrevell It's not an insurmountable problem, though. 09:42 jenda matthewrevell: it's secondary, IMO. 09:42 Bilange graphically-wise: isnt it a bad idea to try to differ too much from ubuntu.com? 09:42 jenda As long as we have a target audience and relevant content, users shouldn't be a problem. 09:42 ompaul mindspin, the concept that spreadfirefox had initally - it had a really fast burn for a few months - it became a meme - and now has out lived its original meaning 09:42 mindspin that's what I meant too what about ubuntus CD 09:42 matthewrevell SpreadFirefox.com worked intitially because Firefox.com was nothing to do with the browser. So, it came up naturally in searches etc. The web and print are saturated with links to ubuntu.com. 09:43 coopster Bilange: i'd agree, sticking to the basic layout of ubuntu.com is a great framework to start from 09:43 jenda Bilange: not too much, but I want it to be easier - the front page. 09:43 ompaul matthewrevell, yeap but a "spread" thing is like you have to try this 09:43 Bilange coopster, agreed :) 09:43 jenda ompaul: +1 09:43 matthewrevell ompaul: You mean it's spread by word of mouth? 09:43 jenda SU is the "you have to see this" type of site. 09:43 jenda matthewrevell: partly, yes. 09:43 _sara it has to be atractive to the eye 09:43 jenda Yes. 09:44 Bilange actually, I never had a reply from the ubuntu.com webmaster, and mailed him on june 2nd or something 09:44 matthewrevell jenda: Cool, fair enough. We have an answer - the primary way will be, for want of a better term, viral. 09:44 dotwaffle personally, I think the Ubuntu.com is too unfriendly to average joe, spreadubuntu.com needs to be more of a "cosy" way of introducing you to the ubntu install process, maybe with links to the LULU book and the PDF to print yourself, so that they are mollycoddled throughout the entire isntall process. 09:44 jenda matthewrevell: check. 09:44 Bilange my point is: im not sure if we can use "his" design on SU 09:44 jenda dotwaffle: not the install process, no. 09:44 matthewrevell I just wanna make sure we know, rather than assuming we all think we know and then fin dout we have different idea later :) 09:44 coopster dotwaffle: agreed 09:44 ompaul matthewrevell, a bit of that a bit of guerrilla marketing - so we pick a date ohh lets say Sept and we aim to hit the ground with it then 09:44 jenda dotwaffle: we would link to the docs where needed. 09:44 jenda It should introduce the user into what ubuntu is 09:45 dotwaffle jenda: not jsut the install, but the meaning behind what Ubuntu is, why it is good for you, why you should try it, and then HOW to do all this. 09:45 jenda and offer the first steps on a silver platter. 09:45 jenda dotwaffle: yes. 09:45 dotwaffle At the moment, Ubuntu.com is a very... Corporate affiar. 09:45 jenda yes 09:45 bimberi dotwaffle: and intentionally so 09:45 jenda spreadubuntu.org is meant to be user-aimed. 09:45 chris-t4 Slogan: Do you Ubunutu? 09:45 jenda nice ;) 09:45 dotwaffle Specifically when they see "Ubuntu 6.06 LTS"... That's such a bad choice of title, IMO. 09:45 jenda Anyway, i believe this topic is exhausted. 09:46 dotwaffle Agreed. 09:46 bimberi jenda: +1 09:46 matthewrevell dotwaffle: +1 for this type of user 09:46 matthewrevell jenda: No, hang on 09:46 matthewrevell :0 09:46 matthewrevell :) 09:46 matthewrevell Just a quick point 09:46 ompaul dotwaffle, it is entitled to be 09:46 jenda everyone listen to matthewrevell 09:46 jenda ;) 09:46 dotwaffle i'm sure he'll be audioblogging it on lugradio at some point anyway ;0 09:46 matthewrevell Canonical have hired/are hiring a new webmaster. They're likely to be *very* busy, but it would be nice to ask silbs who this person is, so we can maybe have some involvement from them. 09:46 matthewrevell dotwaffle: :-) 09:47 jenda hmm 09:47 jenda matthewrevell: I'll note this, but since it's new to me, I have nothing to comment on. 09:47 Bilange matthewrevell, of if this person is too busy, at least ask him/her permission to make a derivate work for out SU website 09:47 matthewrevell jenda: Cool, just wanted to raise it. 09:47 Bilange s/out/our 09:47 ompaul matthewrevell, they will be made known to all - as will the artists in residence === matthewrevell removes himself from the floor :-) 09:48 jenda OK - anything else to SU? 09:48 coopster matthewrevell: i would agree. it can only help. after we get SU up and running, i would imagine canonical would be more than happy to have a link to us, it's 'free' content for the, 09:48 jenda 3 09:48 jenda 2 === Bonzodog [n=bonzodog@unaffiliated/bonzodog] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:48 jenda 1 09:48 jenda done 09:48 jenda nekt 09:48 jenda The Ubuntu Magazine. 09:48 _sara my turn? 09:48 jenda _sara: you're up === jenda sits down and relaxes ) 09:49 nixternal ahh.. _sara =tikal....hey sara..sorry didn't know it was you 09:49 dotwaffle if everyone can hold off comment until it's all been explained to us first ;) 09:49 _sara We have a skeleton === GazzaK_ [n=Gary@host86-136-245-131.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kalosaurusrex [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:49 _sara WE ghave agree to amkle a theme oriented magazine and agree that the first issue is going to be on a general intor to ubuntu. 09:50 _sara amkle? 09:50 nixternal lol 09:50 mindspin make? 09:50 jenda heh ;) 09:50 Bilange is that make? 09:50 jenda _sara: please continue. 09:50 bimberi ah, well done mindspin and Bilange - i was struggling :) 09:50 _sara I feel that at this point in time we need to get someting out and the master TOc would finalized from that 09:51 dotwaffle I disagree - I think a magazine would be a bad idea. A regularly updated website yes, but a magazine relies on people readin from issue #1. 09:51 jenda _sara: one question - who else has been working on the magazine, and how for are you? 09:51 jenda dotwaffle: not true, IMO === nixternal has 09:51 bimberi _sara: is this a physical publication? 09:51 _sara ok , we have some memebers nixternal, Kensendme, Jenda (of course) and others 09:51 jenda I only read issues #1 and #4 of the UWN === jenda gulps 09:52 jenda more work for jenda? ): 09:52 jenda *:) 09:52 _sara we want ot have a html and a pdf magazine also === dotwaffle adds his name to the list of people who have only read 1 or 2 editions of the UWN. === bimberi doesn't see much space left with the Fridge and UWN 09:52 matthewrevell mgalvin: ping 09:52 jenda right - didn't we decide on a base html with exports to pdf and txt? 09:52 jenda matthewrevell: I was just gonna. 09:52 _sara ok maybe I need tro explain the diff 09:52 matthewrevell _sara: Where would this sit alongside Fridge, UWN? 09:52 bimberi _sara: please 09:52 matthewrevell _sara: Ah :) 09:53 Bilange bimberi, dont you think the fridge is quite developer centric and not much end-user centric? I thought the UWN was here to fix that 09:53 dotwaffle why pdf? Why be contrained to a paper format? The web was developed to create something that is easier to sift through. In that respect, UbuntuGuide.org does pretty much the job of a magazine such as ComputerActive in Europe. 09:53 matthewrevell Hang on, let's let _sara tell us where this sits :) 09:53 jenda dotwaffle: please, that's a technicality. 09:53 dotwaffle ok, I'll be quiet ;0 09:53 jenda :) 09:53 _sara The UWN is targeted toward memebers that are already involved in ubuntu, developers. We want a magazine that would help people familiarize themselves with linux and ubuntu for desktop use 09:54 _sara pdf, some people like to print things out and read while on the bus or subway, spread ubuntu, 09:54 _sara some members don't have internet access on their ubuntu 09:55 mgalvin matthewrevell: hey guys, sorry i gotta run out for a bit :-/, is it quick? 09:55 matthewrevell _sara: Sounds like a good aim to have. Have you considered that it might be better to write articles for the publications that these people read already? (Assuming that's possible). It's big job to entice people to a magazine about something they're unfamiliar with. === jenda pokes mgalvin 09:55 jenda ah ) 09:55 mgalvin :) 09:55 GazzaK +1 to pdf format 09:55 matthewrevell mgalvin: Just wondered if you'd be interested in the discussion of Ubuntu Magazine and how ti relates to UWN 09:55 jenda Let's please leave the technical details out for now (formats) 09:55 matthewrevell jenda: +1 We need to choose that after we know who's reading. 09:56 bimberi Bilange: yes, that's fair (held off responding to give _sara the floor) === dwelch91 [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:56 _sara yeah we discuss that already, but we just could not find a magazine that has the level of graphical explanation taht we want 09:56 jenda matthewrevell: I believe the magazine could be read, for example, by SU-drafted newbies. 09:56 mindspin I agree with the idea of getting ubuntu into the regular press 09:56 nixternal OK. Here in Chicago we have "FREE" news stand/boxes. Usually you see music stuff, IT stuff, the Onion and what not in there for people to grab and read while on the train to the city. I want to stuff one full of Ubuntu if and when the time comes!!! 09:56 matthewrevell jenda: Cool. 09:56 jenda it has the same type of spirit - building an UBuntu hype :) 09:56 matthewrevell _sara: Right, cool. What sort of publications did you look at? 09:56 mindspin nixternal: kinda expensive on the long way... 09:56 nixternal FREE!! 09:57 jenda nixternal: sure, fund it ;) 09:57 nixternal the print is the only cost 09:57 _sara We are thinking sometinh like an Ubuntunized Tux magazine 09:57 matthewrevell nixternal: Let's chat about tha ton the ML, Mr Moneybags :-D 09:57 jenda -technicality- 09:57 nixternal my brother law owns his own print shop..so i could get a decent deal 09:57 mgalvin matthewrevell: i am very interested in it, sadly i have to run out for about an hour or 2, i will catch the log when i get back and comment on the -marketing list 09:57 matthewrevell mgalvin: Nice one! 09:57 jenda nixternal: noted - you should'nt have mentioned that. 09:57 dotwaffle Getting people to give away free CDs is one thing, but to print and distribute leaflets? it's easier for them just to say "goto spreadubuntu.com and click on the 'What's hot?' button". 09:57 nixternal hahah 09:57 _sara yeah printing the magazine and hav ethe Loco treams distribut it with CD's 09:57 nixternal it is for meh 09:58 nixternal _sara: that is where i wanted to go with that..but didn't...thank you for stressing the LoCo point 09:58 matthewrevell Anyway, let's activate the "Let's not get ahead of ourselves" button :) 09:58 dotwaffle oh you mean pre-printed that we distribute? 09:58 mindspin that means localized magazines 09:58 jenda dotwaffle: +1 09:58 _sara yeah, but that is in the future, for now a magazine that anyone can print 09:58 _sara Let me give you an example 09:58 jenda but - let's not discuss the technical details PLEASE 09:58 matthewrevell jenda: Such as printing? 09:59 jenda yes 09:59 matthewrevell Okay. 09:59 _sara ok lets talk about the content, The important part 09:59 matthewrevell I'm starting to think that might be the main differentiator of this, though. 09:59 jenda _sara: I'd like to keep the meeting very general. 09:59 mindspin In my view a magazine about a distro will not be read by joseph(ine) noob 09:59 dotwaffle I agree that it would be great to have a magazine like Linux U+D, Linux Format or Linux Magazine to promote Ubuntu, but that's very costly and requires editors etc that would have to give up a substantial amount of time. 09:59 _sara We aim to be more neewbie friendly 10:00 dotwaffle _sara: is there an analogue that we can have a look at to see what you mean? 10:00 jenda _sara: so - we should only go as far as the relationship with the fridge and UWN goes, the target audience - but not the content itself please. An ubuntu magazine meeting would be great for that. 10:00 _sara analogue? 10:00 jenda the tux mag, eg. 10:00 jenda <_sara> We are thinking sometinh like an Ubuntunized Tux magazine === henriquemaia [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:01 ompaul jenda, that is a huge effort 10:01 _sara Jenda sure, We could expand on articles with the UWN 10:01 jenda ompaul: yes, we're smaller 10:01 jenda so the mag will be. 10:01 ompaul what I think would work great in this space is a simpler thing 10:01 matthewrevell _sara: really? UWN is more a "what's happening now in the ubuntu community" thing,. 10:01 dotwaffle _sara: sorry, an exmaple. 10:02 _sara The UWN had an article on , but a newbie might need more information 10:02 dotwaffle s/exmaple/example/ 10:02 jenda I expect the mag to leech a lot, wherever possible. 10:02 _sara hold on 10:02 jenda THe SABDFL has expressly allowed leeching on his blogs ;) 10:02 bimberi yes, an example/mockup would help with understanding 10:02 ompaul one mag that is released with the s/ware release - it says what it is where you can get it - what exciting new stuff is in there and and how you can give it to others and it is legal 10:03 _sara The UWN had an article on TOmboy ( I think), but their explanation did not explained on how to use it === Bonzodog suggest people take a look at Linux-Format for ideas on a mag 10:03 bimberi ompaul: goes a bit stale though (like the release :P) 10:03 matthewrevell bimberi: 10:03 matthewrevell sorry 10:03 ompaul bimberi, that is the idea 10:03 ompaul bimberi, new one once ever 6 months 10:03 ompaul and continious job 10:04 matthewrevell _sara: Okay, cool. 10:04 mindspin It should look like a eighties fanzine, cheap and selfmade it would be nice in concern with viral/guerilla marketing 10:04 matthewrevell _sara: So, this sounds like a magazine section to SpreadUbuntu, almost. Going for the same people. 10:04 jenda Anything else on the subject (in general?) 10:04 matthewrevell mindspin: You should add "not" after that :0 10:04 ompaul mindspin, that is so 20 years ago ;-) 10:04 mindspin hehe 10:04 jenda matthewrevell: spreadubuntu doesn't encompass everything, but it will cooperate. 10:04 _sara matthewrvell, yeah Jenda not for now I would send an e-mail concerning our next meeting 10:04 matthewrevell jenda: I'm talking in terms of the target audience 10:04 mindspin retro-look 10:05 jenda _sara: OK 10:05 jenda I consider the topic closed in... 10:05 jenda 3 10:05 bimberi having seen the discussion, i feel there _is_ room for such a thing. If people have the time/energy then go for it 10:05 matthewrevell Let's continue the discussion on the mailing list. 10:05 jenda dan 10:05 jenda *damn 10:05 jenda :) 10:05 jenda 3 10:05 jenda 2 10:05 jenda 1 10:05 jenda boom 10:05 jenda next? 10:05 nixternal How do we interact with Canonical, who is our Contact point? simple...Jenda....we go through Jenda..he goes to Canonicall...chain of command is nice 10:05 nixternal next? 10:05 jenda wait... 10:05 nixternal ;) 10:06 jenda sorry 10:06 jenda just remembered one thing concerning LP 10:06 dotwaffle LP? 10:06 nixternal launchpad 10:06 dotwaffle opk 10:06 dotwaffle ok 10:07 jenda I set the team to give out 30 day memberships on the first time around. with year log renewed memberships. I'll explain why - then ask if anyone objects. 10:07 dotwaffle seems rational 10:07 jenda What we have now is oer 70 inactive members who just hang there. 10:07 nixternal htrsy ofrs 10:07 nixternal great idea LOL 10:07 nixternal fingers weren't home 10:08 jenda Now if someone joins, I don't want to go hunting them down to ask them if they really mean it. 10:08 jenda I'll just give them a month long membership and if they show up during that month - it gets renewed. 10:08 _sara makes sense 10:08 matthewrevell jenda: Does the renewal happen automatically, somehow? 10:08 nixternal +1 10:09 jenda Now a year is a very long time, so I think it's reasonable in order to prevent corpse stacking. 10:09 _sara +1 10:09 jenda matthewrevell: no, admins do that. 10:09 bimberi jenda: "show up" meaning? 10:09 matthewrevell jenda: Nice phrase. 10:09 ompaul that relys on you knowing they are there - if spread generates interest you will have a full time job hitting renew 10:09 dotwaffle bimberi: presumably contribute 10:09 jenda yes 10:09 jenda in some way 10:09 matthewrevell dotwaffle: Who defines a contribution? 10:09 jenda I don't think membership is a status of any sort 10:10 jenda it's only there to inform who works and who doesn't 10:10 dotwaffle matthewrevell: how about "something other than mindless chatter and idling"? 10:10 bimberi matthewrevell: exactly (again :) ) 10:10 jenda matthewrevell: it's not defined, it is judged, by the admins of the team. 10:10 _sara How? 10:10 jenda if anyone disagrees with the decision of an admin, there are always places to complain 10:10 matthewrevell jenda: Well, it is defined, if only in the admin's brain sub-consciously :) My point, though, is that it's going to be difficult to know all and see all 10:11 matthewrevell jenda: Being practical, though, it sounds like a good idea. 10:11 jenda no one claims to do so. 10:11 jenda (see all) 10:11 matthewrevell +1 10:11 matthewrevell :) 10:11 bimberi actually it will encourage more communication - hopefully of quality 10:12 jenda I mean, if tikal tells me person A has shown up and written an article and wants to continue, it's a sure thing. 10:12 jenda Currently, the owner of the team is Corey Burger, and the two administrators are thechitowncubs and I 10:12 matthewrevell Cool, it sounds like a good way to avoid a meaningless list. 10:12 _sara ok, that way it works, more communication 10:13 jenda that seems to be rather arbitrary - so I think we'll adjust that with regard to activity within the team. 10:13 jenda OK 10:13 jenda done, next 10:13 bimberi aww, i want a countdown </kidding> 10:13 matthewrevell Contact point/interaction with Canonical. 10:13 jenda 3 10:13 jenda 2 10:13 jenda 1 10:13 jenda done? 10:13 jenda :) 10:14 bimberi \o/ 10:14 jenda er... I have "* How can we work with Ubuntu Weekly News and The Fridge?" 10:14 matthewrevell jenda: Oh, sorry, yes 10:14 jenda Ok... I guess this one waits for mgalvin 10:14 jenda Canonical 10:14 matthewrevell :) 10:14 matthewrevell Okay, Canonical is recruiting a Communications Manager 10:15 matthewrevell See ubuntu.com/employment 10:15 nixternal UWN- we can contribute our idea, a-jenda...but everyone should try to contribute to UWN 10:15 matthewrevell One responsibility is marketing 10:15 jenda So far, jane has been the only thing I needed of Canonical, and she is interested in our activity. 10:15 nixternal im bad, as i only check out the fridge for meeting times and dates 10:15 matthewrevell Jane will be passing this sort of thing over to the new Comms Manager though, AFAIK, on a day to day basis. 10:15 jenda Oh right, @UWN - we will be writing updates to it about the team activity. I took that as my responsibility for the start. 10:16 jenda matthewrevell: I know, I envy the foo that gets that job </ot> 10:16 matthewrevell jenda: Oh yeah, dream job mate :) 10:16 matthewrevell Jane, as you say, is really interested in what we're up to. 10:17 jenda I think that solves our canonical problems for now, don't youthink? 10:17 jenda Any remarks? 10:17 matthewrevell Well, I wasn't thinking so much aobut who ... more what. 10:17 jenda ah 10:17 jenda I think that will pop up as needed. 10:17 matthewrevell I just think we should have a think, and discuss another time, about how we work with our friends at the big C. 10:18 jenda I think we should first get the first projects up and then show them we mean it ;) 10:18 Bilange how about another contact point in case Jane not contactable? 10:18 matthewrevell jenda: Fair point :) 10:18 Bilange (backup contact, or something) 10:18 matthewrevell bimberi: I think this new Comms Manager will fulfil the role. 10:18 jenda Bilange: think it's necessary? she's the COO 10:18 jenda matthewrevell: +1 10:18 jenda anything else? 10:18 jenda 3 10:18 jenda 2 10:18 jenda 1 10:18 Bilange COO? 10:18 bimberi matthewrevell: er, ok === jenda pokes the ones who fell asleep 10:19 nixternal chief operating officer 10:19 jenda ok... next? 10:19 jenda "How can we work with LoCoTeam teams to improve press coverage in non-English language media?" 10:19 Bilange nixternal, thanks :) 10:19 matthewrevell jenda: Now this is from Jane, so it nicely links up :) 10:19 _sara First, is ther ea list of Loco teams === nixternal can't help there..as i speak english, and not good i must say ;) 10:19 bimberi _sara: yes, on the wiki ... 10:19 jenda I have very good experience with working in open formats (svg is great) to allow easy translations. 10:20 nixternal https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList 10:20 dotwaffle jenda: I think first we have to specifiy where are most important battlelines must be drawn - one certainly is in the far east, another in Germany/France, probably another in Scandinavia. I think the South Americas will sort themselves out... 10:20 jenda Let's discuss the general issue please 10:20 bimberi ah, thanks nixternal 10:20 matthewrevell I see our role here as largely support to the loco teams 10:20 jenda What do we want the LoCo teams to do, apart from translating the material? 10:20 nixternal notice the Ubuntu-Chicago ;) 10:20 _sara Maybe we just need to get in contact with them and figure out what they might need or want 10:21 matthewrevell jenda: Contact local press that Canonical and the wider Ubuntu community can't reach, either because of language barrier or because they don't know about those outlets. 10:21 nixternal there is a LoCoTeam mailing list 10:21 dotwaffle _sara: We need to give them guidelines too though, what they ought to be doin 10:21 Bilange train the LoCo members so _they_, too, promote ubuntu in their local area? 10:21 Bilange train or give the proper tools, whatever you see fit 10:21 matthewrevell Bilange: This is more specifically about contacting local media. 10:21 dotwaffle training is going to be hard, witht he physical barrier and all 10:21 matthewrevell Give support, rather than train 10:22 bimberi nixternal: no central one to my knowledge 10:22 mindspin there are definitely marketing/press activities in the several countries 10:22 nixternal there is one 10:22 nixternal i subscribe to the LoCo team list since I am in the process of creating #ubuntu-chicago 10:22 jenda bimberi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList 10:22 jenda oh, mailing list ;) 10:22 jenda yes there is. 10:22 matthewrevell So, shall we take this onto the mailing list? Basically, work out what we can offer them and perhaps establish a press contact for each country/language, similar to what gnome has 10:23 bimberi ah yes, loco-contacts 10:23 jenda OK, spreadubuntu is the source of DIY Marketing material 10:23 _sara yeah, we need to have someone who speaks the language 10:23 jenda We want the LoCos to translate that material. 10:23 mindspin mailing list would be fine, I know some people here in germany who are on the list but not in the team 10:23 nixternal +1 10:23 _sara I think the transalationt eam would do that 10:23 jenda _sara: the LoCo's will provide that, we can't possible cater for all. 10:23 _sara I mean as a contact point 10:23 jenda I'm on the list, and am a member of the Czech LoCo team. 10:24 matthewrevell jenda: We want the locos to use the right material for the situation. It may be thta they produce material that feeds back into SpreadUbuntu. 10:24 nixternal i have spoken to other LoCo team leaders, and it seems they do a lot lf translation in their teams...so it might be a good idea to get them involved in translating it..unless we want to "hire" some translators ;) 10:24 matthewrevell But yes, SpreadUbuntu is a good place for this. 10:24 jenda matthewrevell: yes, but they don't do that specifically as loco teams (except perhaps testimonials) 10:25 jenda nixternal: we will hire from the locoteams - it is their interest and 'duty' to translate. Trust me ;) 10:25 matthewrevell Okay, I think we've got a general agreement that we like the idea. So let's flesh it out on the list. 10:25 _sara I am on the spanish translation team, and as far as I know we do all the spanish translation that ubuntu needs 10:25 nixternal jenda: +1 10:25 jenda matthewrevell: +1 10:25 _sara +1 10:25 nixternal +100 10:25 jenda :) 10:25 jenda done-doe 10:25 jenda Anything else regarding LoCo Teams? 10:25 jenda 3 10:25 jenda 2 10:25 jenda 1 10:26 jenda splash 10:26 jenda * Decide how this affects the Marketing wiki pages. 10:26 nixternal wiki: MarketingTeam <- main page...everything under it...i.e, MarketingTeam/Meetings....MarketingTeam/Members....stuff like that 10:26 jenda Agreed 10:26 nixternal +1 10:26 dotwaffle ++3 10:26 jenda the magazine and spreadubuntu have seperate pages 10:26 nixternal plus every other team does it that way ;) 10:26 jenda we'll fix that. 10:26 matthewrevell nixternal: Not so much structure, fo rhtis one. More: our pages are out of date, let's get em refreshed :) 10:26 nixternal yes jenda === matthewrevell volunteers to work on them 10:26 jenda matthewrevell: yep 10:26 nixternal yes matthewrevell...tis why i am on the wiki team 10:26 nixternal ;) 10:26 jenda I'll work on SU 10:27 matthewrevell Cool, next? 10:27 matthewrevell :) 10:27 jenda Now in this regard, i need to step back a bit. 10:27 jenda Project Leaders 10:27 jenda We forgot that. 10:27 jenda So... 10:27 matthewrevell ? 10:27 jenda do we want/need project leaders? === jenda says yes, we do. === nixternal thinks so === jenda prods the channel. 10:28 matthewrevell Hmmm ... yes, at the very least to champion each project. 10:28 _sara just for the sake of structure and organization 10:28 Bilange for the sake of spreading out the job, sure 10:28 dotwaffle I think jenda and matthewrevell know what they're doing, if we go for project leaders (and I suggest we do) then they would be my candidates of choice. 10:28 _sara definetly 10:28 jenda So - let me propose a project leader for the Ubuntu Magazine. 10:28 jenda Does anyone object to _sara leading it? 10:28 nixternal welll...there would be more then 2 projects..hence more then 2 project leaders 10:28 bimberi _sara: seems the natural choice from this meeting 10:28 jenda Does _sara want to lead the Ubuntu Magazine? 10:29 nixternal jenda: sara should lead it..she has been doing a hell of a job 10:29 _sara ok, 10:29 nixternal she motivates us ;) 10:29 matthewrevell _sara +1 10:29 nixternal +1 10:29 jenda Any objections can be brougt up later :) 10:30 jenda Till the end of the meeting ;) 10:30 dotwaffle how much is there left togo? 10:30 jenda _sara: You do have the CoC signed, right? 10:30 jenda dotwaffle: a bit 10:30 nixternal we need to work on creating projects b4 we talk about leaders though...but yes, for projects already created appoint away 10:30 _sara what is the CoC 10:30 jenda Code of Conduct 10:30 mindspin !coc 10:30 _sara not yet 10:30 jenda _sara: we can go through that after the meeting. === digitalmouse realizes he missed most of the meeting :( 10:30 _sara ok 10:30 jenda You will need to sign the CoC ;) 10:30 ompaul The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ === jenda pets ompaul, the ubotu of this meeting ;) 10:31 matthewrevell SpreadUbuntu has got to be Jenda, I'd say. I imagine the previous person running the SU side of things isn't returning 10:31 ompaul _sara, if your stuck signing it, contact me - on irc or ompaul @ ubuntu dot com and I will give you a dig out 10:31 GazzaK but to sign it you need a key, but this key is difficult to get if you know no other linux users/geeks :-( 10:31 _sara i got a key recently 10:31 jenda GazzaK: it doesn't have to be signed 10:31 ompaul GazzaK, same again 10:32 nixternal gpg --gen-key === jenda 's key isn't signed. === digitalmouse quickly updates himself regarding the magazine topic 10:32 nixternal follow along 10:32 jenda let's move along 10:32 jenda I'm willing to lead Spreadubuntu. 10:32 jenda Any objections? 10:32 jenda :) 10:32 ompaul nixternal, this aint the place - keys don't have to be signed - 10:32 matthewrevell jenda: None here 10:32 mindspin nope 10:32 ompaul but the CoC does have to be 10:32 Bilange This whole key stuff is confusing me alot-- is there some background info about how this stuff works (and why this is important)? 10:32 nixternal didn't say they have to...just lettin' um know how to create a key 10:32 jenda Bilange: not here, not now 10:32 ompaul Bilange, contat me after this 10:32 Bilange ompaul, okay 10:32 ompaul I'll take anyone through it 10:33 matthewrevell All agreed Jenda to lead SU? 10:33 nixternal plug gpg --gen-key doesn't get a key signed 10:33 nixternal +1 on jenda 10:33 jenda OK... 10:33 _sara +1 10:33 ompaul nixternal, its the CoC that gets signed - please leave it 10:33 bimberi +1 jenda 10:33 jenda Now - we have avoided the Media Project 10:33 _sara Media Project? 10:33 jenda matthewrevell? 10:33 matthewrevell Have we? 10:33 mindspin yup 10:33 mindspin we have 10:33 ompaul jenda, you have taken 1.5 hours to get this far :-) 10:34 jenda _sara: The admin of ubuntupeople has closed down the project without notice - matthewrevell might know more. === dotwaffle perks up to "Media Project" === jenda is hoping matthewrevell is writing a long one ;) 10:34 matthewrevell I'd like to set up a project that supports the Ubuntu community, and canonical where appropriate, it dealing with the media. Details are on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam ... not a team really, but a project of MT 10:34 matthewrevell jenda: long enough dude? :-D 10:35 jenda perfect 10:35 ompaul a sub team of 10:35 matthewrevell Jane has expressed interested, as have a few people. I say we take it onto the ML to flesh it out. 10:35 jenda yes, matthewrevell are you happy with coining it the Media Project? (as opposed to the Press Team) 10:35 mindspin I'd like to join, I do part-time PR here 10:35 matthewrevell jenda: Yeah, sounds good. 10:35 matthewrevell mindspin: Love to have you :) 10:36 matthewrevell jenda: Name can be thrashed out, if necessary, in ML 10:36 nixternal move it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/MediaProject ??? 10:36 dotwaffle Media Relations Project? otherwise it sounds like we're making a video podcast... 10:36 jenda OK... since most haven't read the wiki, there's no point in discussing further. I propose matthewrevell as the leader of that. 10:36 bimberi "library of ready-made press releases" - great! 10:36 dotwaffle matthewrevell.support++ 10:36 Bilange dotwaffle, +1 10:36 mindspin +1 10:36 bimberi +1 10:36 jenda agreed 10:37 matthewrevell Cool. 10:37 jenda the MRP ;) 10:37 jenda OK, topic close 10:37 jenda d 10:37 dotwaffle How about dotwaffle's band of media brothers - I like that even more ;) 10:37 jenda One more thing - does the Marketing Team need a leader? === digitalmouse is reminded of Dungeons and Dragons with all these +1s 10:37 dotwaffle It needs a point of contact for Jane etc. 10:37 jenda I believe previous experiences point to: no 10:37 matthewrevell jenda: Yes. 10:37 dotwaffle Not a leader, but a point of contact, certainly - I think 10:38 matthewrevell I'd say you're the obvious choice, but perhaps we should put this to the ML as it's the biggest decision. 10:38 Bilange maybe leader isnt the right word for that position... "central point" maybe? 10:38 jenda I can act as the contact for the MT - I have for at least two months now. 10:38 ompaul it is called Contact Point === jenda votes for a mailing list discussion. 10:38 dotwaffle contact_point.jenda.support++ 10:38 matthewrevell +1 === mindspin agrees with jenda 10:39 Bilange ++ (+1 for the non programmers :P) 10:39 jenda matthewrevell: will you take that one on your shoulders? 10:39 jenda Bilange: ah :) 10:39 matthewrevell jenda: I'll raise it on the list tomorrow. 10:39 jenda thanks 10:39 matthewrevell np 10:39 dotwaffle there are non-coders on here? shoo, shoo =) === dotwaffle looks nervously. === jenda kicks dotwaffle 10:39 matthewrevell Okaay, let's get wrapped up, I want to see my wife at some point today :) 10:39 digitalmouse I realize I am a bit late in adding my 2 cents, but I was a part of the early forum discussion and with the original poster had started on a CMS/template design for the magazine (a combination website/pdf download). I would still like to contribute to the development of the website, as well as offer up my skills for pdf production (my background includes desktop publishing), and authoring the occasional article. 10:39 Bilange dotwaffle, im not :) 10:39 jenda matthewrevell: forget it ;) 10:40 dotwaffle Bilange: Neither am I, raelly ;) 10:40 matthewrevell digitalmouse: Let's take specifics to the ML or a magazine meeting 10:40 jenda digitalmouse: _sara is the leader of the Mag now, and there will probably soon be a Mag meeting. 10:40 digitalmouse I thought the mag was to be discussed here? (I notice it was earlier)... but, as you wish. 10:40 jenda OK, case closed? 10:40 matthewrevell yup 10:40 jenda 3 10:40 jenda 2 10:40 jenda 1 10:40 jenda closed. 10:41 jenda * Mailing list moderator(s) required to take strain from Jane Silber. 10:41 jenda I propose each project leader to be a moderator. 10:41 ompaul there is no moderator 10:41 jenda administrator, then. 10:41 ompaul that implies censorship 10:41 bimberi spam-filterer === sara_ [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:41 matthewrevell ompaul: Well, it is censoring spam :) 10:41 ompaul hehe 10:41 digitalmouse politician then? :-p 10:42 jenda sara_: that's a much more tab-completion friendly nick. THanks ;) 10:42 bimberi eww 10:42 jenda opinions, suggestions, volunteers, please ;) 10:42 matthewrevell Okay, shall we see how it goes with project leads? Our friendly contact point can raise it with silbs. 10:42 sara_ sorry I got disconeected so I don't knwo where we are? 10:42 jenda mekeke 10:42 jenda noted 10:42 Bilange (jenda, there was only one nick with _ as the first character, hence faster to complete.. I liked _sara more) 10:43 jenda Bilange: but I don't type _ as often, so it's more diff. ;) 10:43 matthewrevell Objections? 10:43 digitalmouse as I mentioned before, as well as in the original forum thread, I'll volunteer for some mag-related duties since I've already started on CMS development and PDF generation 10:43 sara_ I haven't seen you pdf stuff. Do you have sample? 10:44 matthewrevell Everyone happy to clos ethis one?> 10:44 jenda OK folks 10:44 sara_ +1 10:44 jenda this topic is closed as well. 10:44 jenda 3 10:44 jenda 2 10:44 jenda 1 10:44 jenda done 10:45 digitalmouse mostly my work is programming pdf-generation code that is pulled from database sources, but I believe I still have some desktop-publishing content that was converted to PDF... will have to dig up the old CD archive for that 10:45 matthewrevell Excellent :) You can tell it's been a good first meeting as we've all come away with far more to do :) === bimberi wonders if anything was decided then 10:45 jenda Now, since that was the last topic on the a-jenda, I'd like to thank you all for coming - and wish you a good night!