2009-04-30

Introduction

Scheduled Time: 7:00 PM EST Thursday, April 30th, 2009
Scheduled Location: SETC
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Meeting Chair: Martin Owens (doctormo)
Meeting Minutes by: Michael Terry (mterry)

Agenda Items

The following agenda items were proposed for this meeting:

  • Introductions (everyone)
  • Review of last month's Action Items

  • Ubuntu Learning group, update (doctormo)
  • Technical Plan for Community Centers (leftyfb)
  • Website, problems with it (leftyfb)
  • Reporting about the Anime convention (mterry)
  • Star Trek Event (felicia)
  • Open Floor (everyone)

Present

The following team members were present during this meeting:

Physically Present:

  • Michael Terry (mterry), A Canonical OEM Developer
  • Martin Owens (doctormo), Group Leader
  • Felicia, User from Cape Cod
  • Mike Rushton, leftyfb, system admin, gadget geek
  • Sara Abbot, makes cake, is leftyfb's bf
  • Doc Kinne (kinnerc), works with astronomical databases, has big plans to take over the world
  • Randy Cole, Programming and Systems Administration

Virtually Present:

  • Aaron (guinea-pig)
  • Lizzie (|izzie)
  • Bill (BillN1VUX)

Action Items

See progress for Action Items here

  • Martin to confirm location of Meeting Location for next month.
  • MTerry to investigate the Wainwright Bank's community rooms.
  • MTerry to email mailing list about anime convention.
  • Martin to order pizza for next meeting.
  • Mike to investigate "Boston Linuxfest"
    • To contact StrataCenter at MIT as a location

    • To get together a team of people to see if the event is possible.
    • To contact potential sponsors -> Items handed of to team.

Proceedings

  • we're looking for new meeting location
  • this place (tech center) is ok, but a little busy
  • doc dislikes varied venues (different places to meet)
  • we're looking for a solid long term place
  • mterry will look into wainwright room
  • they let out community rooms
  • 'wainwright bank' that is
  • other locations? no...
  • party review?
  • release party was midling awesome
  • would have been nice to have more, we needed more organization time
  • try to organize 2 months in advance
  • need more advertising
  • looking into press releases
  • how to get to press? we suck at that
  • cake: was awesome
  • as were strawberry jackalopes
  • We got jaunty cds, yay
  • thanks to sean for schwag
  • thanks to mterry for sending out notices to lists
  • topic: ubuntu learning group
  • what is it?
  • mike notes we should order pizza for these thigs
  • ulg: create learning tools/plans to technical teachers
  • ulg: conglomeration of people from community, like forums, user help
  • ulg: egalitarian
  • ulg: lets anyone in world organize classrooms, virtual or no
  • ulg: may conflict with canonical paid-for training
  • ulg: cautious of annoying canonical?
  • ulg: canonical's stuff is non-commercial (NC)
  • ulg: so we can't use it
  • ulg: we need to charge small nominal fee
  • ulg: why charge?
  • ulg: experience is that charging small fee means people are committed
  • ulg: makes people think there is value in class
  • ulg: can we work around it? (order pizza, charge for that plus)
  • ulg: martin says no, cc is pretty clear
  • ulg: maybe canonical did it to prevent competition
  • ulg: point is, we need a better license or a new thing
  • ulg: 'thing' being training materials
  • ulg: teaching right now is seat-of-pants, would help to have formal advice
  • ulg: questions?
  • felicia: martin doing curriculum?
  • martin: yar
  • martin: more people should be involved
  • doc: can download material, but can't use it for us?
  • martin; can't use it in schools, colleges, community center where we charge
  • martin: can't give back in launchpad, it doesn't accept NC
  • doc: sys admin curriculum: are we looking to redo their work?
  • martin: sys admin stuff is new, not related. it's safe for commercial
  • martin: is showing the wiki page for ulg
  • wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning
  • martin: we just need to recreate their stuff from scratch
  • martin: licensing discussion on may 9th (it's on the wiki page above)
  • doc lives and breathes UTC
  • OK, topic change
  • technical plans for technical center
  • mike: I'm talking about what?
  • mike: evergrowing technical plans
  • martin: some student wiped his comp with ubuntu accidentally
  • center was not happy
  • martin: being able to roll out images good
  • mike: not getting into imaging, something about installers instead
  • martin: can we install dual boot?
  • mike: we're not doing windows
  • mike: can't do network install of windows
  • mike: not doing imaging of windows either
  • mike: b/c that means licensing
  • mike: not here to help windows
  • mike: can install ubuntu over network, which lets us dual boot
  • mike: can fix student thing if here
  • martin: can we do in-place update of ubuntu?
  • mike: we should fresh installs, not updates
  • mike: just backup files to server
  • martin: we need to be advanced about how we delete these machines
  • mike: config is up to center
  • mike: they've already got a fab thing
  • One minute break
  • do dum do
  • hmmm hmm
  • la la la
  • 'fab thing' is some user call fab
  • mike: we're not touching windows unless we break it
  • randy came in a while ago, btw
  • Hi liz, this is mterry being secretary
  • lizzie: hiya, yes, i scrolled back.
  • martin back, we're back on the clock
  • now we're backseat secretary-ing
  • martin: too much info better than less
  • mike: we could set up ldap
  • (back on tech center)
  • mike: to get a pixie(?) server, custom packages, ldap, possibly nfs home dir.
  • mike: hmm, but we want each login to have own login
  • mike: is thinking about these hard problems so we don't have to, mterry is glad
  • mike: has backup script
  • martin: topic: web site
  • mike: great idea, w00t, but don't remove info at all
  • mike: martin removed mailing list archives
  • martin is surprised we had one
  • mike: how does a user get to mailing list?
  • mike: no way to sign up from web site
  • mike: been removed from wiki too
  • martin and doc think he's on crack, it's right there
  • mike: too hard for me to find, too hard for users
  • martin: meh
  • martin: stuff is on wiki, that's good
  • martin: mailing list isn't quite for public
  • mike: i thought we wanted mailing list to be for everyone
  • martin: no, it's internal chatter
  • mike: is in the disagreement box
  • martin: mailing list is too crappy for users
  • mike & doc: eh, all mailing lists are like that, it's the expectation of users

  • martin: has issues with interface to mailing list
  • martin: mailman sucks
  • mike: everyone knows it
  • martin: techies do, not normals
  • mike: list lets people lurk
  • martin: that's cool, but prefers 2 mailing lists
  • martin: one for chatter, one for announcements
  • doc: likes announcements
  • mike: also ok with announcements
  • mike: wants prominent links to lists
  • mike: likes how it was on wiki, is resistant to change
  • martin: wiki has links that weren't good for website, so moved this to web site
  • mike: liked flow of wiki
  • mike: like contact us
  • PLAN: put mailing list link on 'contact us'
  • mike: if info not on web site, don't remove from wiki
  • martin agrees
  • mike: likes all info on the 'team contact' page
  • martin and mike hug and make up
  • mike: this page looks like a list of 'important people' in loco (in scare quotes)
  • martin: these people are barely involved
  • mike: like put me there
  • martin: you are there
  • mike: wants a more user friendly list of contacts for loco
  • mike: my contact info looks businessy, wants a page for people to see where they can get all contact info for loco
  • doc: "small weasels"
  • I'm not sure what that meant
  • mike: community updates page is cryptic
  • mike: who made this page? for the love of god
  • mike: this page should have like, when was last meeting, last release
  • martin: no problems with changes to page
  • martin: i'm weird and british
  • martin: accepts help for wording
  • mike: i know what normals want
  • mike: refuses to touch bzr to change page
  • martin: that's how you do it!
  • mike: i just want to tell you to do it
  • martin: volunteers to push his suggestions? anyone? beuler?
  • mike: use a CMS, not bzr
  • martin: meh Smile :)

  • mike: web site is inadequate, illogical
  • martin: then modify it, but you're not willing to do work, or write suggestions down
  • martin: it's hard to take your position and do someting with it
  • martin suggests lizzie
  • |izzie: are you asking me to redesign?
  • martin: she already found lots of stuff
  • martin is redirecting mike's energy to lizze
  • lizzie, yeah, expect a communique from mike
  • new topic: anime convention
  • so anime is good kind of geek, we have manga
  • its' on teh 22nd of may to 24th
  • we have manga to distrbiute
  • they have flyer table to drop them on
  • anyone want to go?
  • martin is willing to go with partner
  • no takers...
  • mterry: out of town
  • mike is washing hair
  • PLAN: let's put it in calander for next year
  • PLAN: let's throw it on mailing list too for this year
  • |izzie: what is manga?
  • if we can get other people
  • manga is a japanese-style comic book
  • new topic: star treck
  • felicia: natick, 7PM, 7 nights a week
  • felicia: date to go: send to mailing list, see if we get complaints
  • |izzie: are you scratching 3D?
  • felicia: jordon's imax
  • |izzie: yes
  • martin: proposes monday
  • mike says no monday or tuesday
  • mike: sylar for the win
  • martin makes some reference that only doc gets
  • martin: talking about hot fuzz now
  • martin: and shaun of the dead
  • doc: waiting for sylar to kill someone with finger
  • martin: is talking about startrek sg1? what a reference
  • martin: new topic: open board
  • sara bought stuff from staples
  • sara got such a good deal
  • sara bought generic raffle tickets
  • sara can give out at install fests
  • sara: we've wanted to do something with these
  • martin: anyone want to do install fest?
  • mike: i think we need them
  • mike: for ourselves
  • mike: has long been on installfest wagon
  • mike: good for people off the streets
  • mike: not amazing, but pretty good events
  • mike: fun for us
  • martin: we're not doing them b/c we don't have someone to run them
  • mike: who has run in past?
  • martin: me, steve and mike
  • martin: we're all too busy now
  • mike: would love to see a big thing
  • mike: bought bostonlinuxfest.org
  • martin: would cost a large amount
  • mike: hmm, doubt it, we could get sponsors
  • martin: takes so long, too much organnization
  • martin: loves work of art gallery in brookline, two girls there are awesome at organizing
  • martin: they are too busy to help us
  • sara: what about gnu peeps?
  • martin: talking about the fsf
  • mike: scratch that, not blu
  • martin: blu like helping themselves, we're about advocacy
  • mike: they aren't welcoming
  • blu means boston linux user group
  • BillN1VUX: BLU is accepting of BSD , BLU means Boston Linux Unix
  • randy suggess blue is like a lecture series, followed by social hour
  • BillN1VUX: so yeah it's not UbuAdvocacy and not FSF pure either

  • BillN1VUX: the meeting are, yes
  • mike: ohio linux fest is great
  • BillN1VUX: with Q*A before too
  • martin: fsf can help us organize stuff
  • martin: does canonical have help for this?
  • mterry doesn't know
  • BillN1VUX: BLU installfests are clinical, no demo, no music, no games, no cake
  • BillN1VUX: and i am youngest not oldest ... not quite but ...
  • Deviousdragen> that works for them however

  • install fest should be like mardi gras
  • guinea-pig> whoa, what's all the talk about?

  • BillN1VUX> Yes, diversity is good

  • beads for installing computer
  • we're in a meeting, i'm taking notes
  • can we get expo center, we want that size for an install fest
  • martin: this requires way too much organization
  • randy: do it in university gym?
  • mike: bigger than that
  • mike: like ohio linux fest
  • mike: wants to be like them
  • BillN1VUX> we tried linux world in New expo ctr, it was last in boston Sad :-(

  • martin: need like a year to plan
  • mike: i've got domain name!
  • doc: tell me about ohio
  • mike: sponsors, like all the major foss companies
  • doc: demonstrations, classes
  • mike: if annual, people might hold announcements til expo
  • martin: wants it to be 'boston foss fest'
  • Deviousdragen> if anyone has dos 6 he would love it for next week...if anyone had it culd bring it to him. but if not sorry for the interruption

  • mike: likes boston linux fest
  • Deviousdragen: ok
  • Deviousdragen> i like boston linux fest

  • Deviousdragen> i know and have heard of a linux, i don

mike: linux isn't limiting, we can have other things

  • Deviousdragen> i dont heard of a foss

  • guinea-pig> i don't like the word fest. i thought we were moving away from that?

  • martin: you're misusing linux word
  • mike: i'm ok with that
  • doc: foss is more accurate, bad marketing
  • mike: don't listen to guinea-pig
  • Deviousdragen> no intallfest we moved away from because it made it sound like you HAVE TO INSTALL, but it was meerly a suggestion

  • mike: mocks 'exploration ubuntu'
  • felicia: normal people even know what install fest is
  • felicia: i didn't know foss, but knew linux
  • guinea-pig> i don't believe people think there's anything festive about installing

  • mike: wants Sugar people there
  • Deviousdragen> no i am friends with a lot of normal peiople and it was a long explanation and them cringing at the thought

  • guinea-pig: we're doing it wrong then
  • guinea-pig: Smile :)

  • guinea-pig> actually, i agree, there isn't anything festive about installing

  • guinea-pig> it's using that's festive

  • |izzie> there is about installing ubuntu

  • |izzie> compare to other os's

  • guinea-pig> compare to other os's ... it's pretty much the same

mike: linux and install fest are known, good marketing terms

  • guinea-pig> anyway, i'm jumping in the middle of the discussion here

  • guinea-pig> what are we actually talking about?

  • guinea-pig: about running a fest
  • guinea-pig just arrived home from work
  • guinea-pig: and what's involved
  • Deviousdragen> we were hoping to draw people in with a new name was the problem...which didnt happpen...

  • guinea-pig> doctormo: we've done them before... have we forgotten?

  • doc: i don't know much, but... let's not shove whole watermellon down throats, let's cut it into smaller pieces
  • |izzie> ubuntu fest ?

  • guinea-pig> freedom fest

  • doc: BarCamp Boston 4 was nice, 300 people,

  • BillN1VUX mocks 'exploration ubuntu' too
  • Deviousdragen> free festival

  • doc: The scheduling fell apart after dinner on saturday, think the good weather had something to do with it.
  • randy was there too
  • doc: was at mit
  • guinea-pig> also, are we talking about whether or not we are doing one, or have we moved on to more specific details?

  • doc: expo center too big, we could do mit though
  • guinea-pig: just what's involved, can we even do it with our time/resources
  • mike: we don't have resources, but let's get sponsors
  • martin: we need organization skills
  • guinea-pig> we need resources?

  • doc: to deal with bay side, we need to show legitimacy with running events
  • guinea-pig: need to organize and get space
  • doc: could get stata center at mit that though
  • doc: start small
  • Deviousdragen> we cant even get a place to hold meetings or installfests

  • guinea-pig> we've done small. expo center seems like too big a jump in size

  • doc: stop injecting reality sara
  • doc: it's not fair
  • guinea-pig> who is doc?

  • guinea-pig> oh, i thought it was a thing

  • BillN1VUX> my lappie is in a dock

  • BillN1VUX> i work on a pier, however.

  • now we're back on meeting space
  • because sara made us sad
  • |izzie> tsk tsk tsk

  • guinea-pig> err, was there an outcome of the fest discussion?

  • mike: we need a space where we can just say, 'we need last thursday, indefinitely'
  • guinea-pig: nope!
  • guinea-pig> doctormo: why not?!

  • guinea-pig: We're not a focused group
  • guinea-pig> argh

  • martin: agrees with doc that we should start small like mit for fest
  • mike: should i try to get sponsors first?
  • Deviousdragen> perhaps we could span to a differnt college because mit already knows linux.....

  • guinea-pig> Deviousdragen: seconded

  • martin: it's not for the college, jsut a meeting place
  • mike: everyone uses term 'linux fest', works so well, people know it
  • Deviousdragen> i don't spend much time outside at these events but most of the people i talked to out there said they already run it...

  • guinea-pig> i thought she was referring to fests?

  • Deviousdragen> i mean to fest at

  • yeah, that's what martin meant, bad notes
  • Deviousdragen> but check out the place mike terry suggested, a bank...with free rooms

  • guinea-pig> i admit, when 'exploration ubuntu' was first proposed, i thought it was not the best...

  • martin tries to stick mike with organizing job
  • guinea-pig> but it leaves it open to much more than just installing

  • mike: what should event be?
  • mike: install fest, or a big linux fest like event with shops and sponsors
  • Deviousdragen wishes the ibprofine will kick in and the fresh air will make my stumic from making me feel ill
  • mike: will look at stata center
  • martin: can we book room, cost, etc?
  • mike: ok, is interested in spearheading
  • mike is impressed with look of stata center
  • mike like shiny things
  • Deviousdragen> mike likes to spend too much money also...

  • mike: is it big?
  • doc: small expo size
  • doc: conference size, convention size
  • doc: large common area, 5/6 smaller classrooms
  • Deviousdragen> parking?

  • mike: will contact ohio peeps
  • mike: parking sucks
  • guinea-pig> in ohio?

  • doc: "are you insane? also, there is a parking garage"
  • guinea-pig> i don't care about parking in ohio :P

  • guinea-pig: ohio peeps run big linux fest
  • guinea-pig> ah

  • martin: need space, media organization
  • martin: what is our loco goign to bring to table? cds, table we're manning?
  • mike isn't listening
  • mike: we'll be there as a vendor and a spearheader
  • martin: that's what i'm saying
  • martin: might want to have mike focus on spear, others do vending
  • doc: this is more than mike job
  • doc; this is whole loco
  • doc: meetings are just this from now on, if we do this
  • mike: no...
  • doc: yes!
  • doc: need committee, need to assign tasks
  • martin: Sad :(

  • doc: has been through this before
  • mike: again, will ask ohio peeps about what is involved
  • doc: could contact my old friends that did this before too
  • guinea-pig> whatever you're planning sounds like it's much bigger than an installfest

  • guinea-pig> it sounds like a con

  • guinea-pig: sort of
  • guinea-pig> at least on that scale and style, even if not subject matter

  • mterry: why are we doing this?
  • mike: cause i want to
  • mike: install fests not good b/c of marketing
  • mike: this could be as big as other linux fests
  • guinea-pig> because *you* want to, or because the loco wants to?

  • mterry: if this takes over loco, we need loco buy in
  • mterry: this is bigger than mike pet project
  • guinea-pig> definitely

  • mike: let's investigate, but not commit anything then come back
  • mike: this helps loco because we can be a big part of a thing, good recognition
  • mike: these things are announced in papers
  • doc: boston won't have papers in a year Smile :)

  • guinea-pig> as for a timeline... i'd wager something of this scale should be at least 6 months out if not a year

  • mike: install fests too small
  • guinea-pig: yeah, at least a year
  • mike: wants loco to be part of something big
  • guinea-pig> perhaps contact some people who run cons in the area, for advice, and see if they want to help?

  • guinea-pig: yeah, ohio and doc's peeps
  • mike: wants to do this, if loco isn't helping, would try to get others, represent loco alone
  • martin: organization is biggests challenge
  • guinea-pig> but also local con organisers, as they might have contacts... and if interested can help in person, too

  • felicia: must master small first
  • mike: this would bring us stuff we don't have right now, adverts, recognition, partnerships
  • guinea-pig> what do our previous events count as?

  • guinea-pig: small?
  • guinea-pig: but have we mastered them? Smile :)

  • guinea-pig> i wouldn't say we've mastered them, but we could've done a lot worse.

  • martin: we need to do more digging
  • guinea-pig> i think we did well enough to try a little bigger. but not full-sized con

  • mike: is real excited
  • mike: will look into it, but doesn't have time
  • martin: would only have time if he dropped rest of life
  • mike: "no one wants to go to wilmington"
  • guinea-pig> just a thought

  • sara; is there shriner's in boston, good size building?
  • mike: how's stata compared to shriner's?
  • mike: shriner's is good
  • guinea-pig> is this a loco meeting, or a event-specific meeting? i think they need to be seperated, once we've determined we're going to do an event

  • sara: we can sell ubuntu cookies
  • mike: no matt demonstrating ubuntu gaming
  • martin: not a problem
  • doc: you're both saying you don't have time
  • guinea-pig> nobody has time

  • guinea-pig> but nobody has to do everything

  • guinea-pig> unless everyone else does nothing

  • doc: but you're thinking you're going to do everything
  • doc: but that's now how this works
  • doc: we need a buy-in committee, and split load
  • guinea-pig> divide and conqour

  • mike: yar, i have time to contact other people and talk about it
  • doc: you have to delegate
  • martin: we don't have enough people in group
  • mike: we'd get help outside of group
  • mike: it's a linux fest
  • mike: might even draw interest in oru group
  • guinea-pig> organise, people, please.

  • mike: the event would be related to our core focus: advocacy, etc
  • mike: surprised a boston linux fest hasn't been organized yet
  • martin: again, you investigate, send a message to list, other boston lists that are relevant, invite people to a crack committee
  • mike: spark interest first
  • martin: yar
  • martin: special non-loco meetings
  • martin: see if we have enough peeps
  • mike: our loco, fsf, blu
  • mike: enough people to do it
  • martin: is that all?
  • martin: i call the meeting
  • anthrocite_> barcamp from last weekend venue info was: http://wiki.barcampboston.org/index.php?title=2009_Venue

Open Floor (All)

Conclusion

  • There is lots to do.

MassachusettsTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2009-04-30 (last edited 2009-05-04 18:44:46 by kinnerc)