CC-2006-10-17
02:13 sabdfl so, let's look at the agenda 02:13 thoreauputic bimberi: :) 02:14 sabdfl are we in a position to take the IRC issue further? === bimberi strongly suspects that Seveas would want to be here for that 02:14 thoreauputic sabdfl: you've probably seen seveas' comments elsewhere on that issue 02:15 Hobbsee sabdfl: i *doubt* anyone's prepared for that, not having expected you to be here. 02:15 elmo sabdfl: maybe we should defer that till UDS === Hobbsee pings nalioth 02:16 smurf we have deferred that item for so long, three more weeks won't hurt any :-/ === yarddog is present and listening.. 02:16 elmo sabdfl: I think it's something the whole CC should discuss (which we can't seem to do often) and would benefit from higher bandwidth 02:16 elmo but *shrug* 02:17 Kamion agree 02:17 sabdfl for the record, i'm not convinced by the GetOffFreenodeSpec 02:17 sabdfl it's light on substance 02:17 Kamion I also felt uncomfortable discussing it immediately post lilo's death 02:17 jono I agree to, and I think we need to talk about a phased move, if anything 02:17 elmo GetOffFreenodeSpec was meant to be superseded by something more substanial 02:17 elmo but apparently that never happened 02:17 Kamion although obviously we can't defer it forever 02:17 thoreauputic possibly peopel are reluctant to discuss it because it has potential for major disagreements 02:17 sabdfl well, i think we take it off the CC agenda till someone does a better job of the proposal 02:18 jono canonical channels moving seems a reasonable reason due to privacy, but I am not convinced by public channels moving 02:18 sabdfl i don't think the canonical issue is sufficient justification 02:18 ogra wasnt there a decision to move the -dvel channels already? 02:18 sabdfl we could run a private SSL-based authenticated IRC server if we really wanted a closed loop 02:18 ogra *-devel 02:18 Kamion is everyone in Canonical who cares about the distro in a position to deal with multiple networks easily? 02:18 ogra (in a former CC meeting) 02:18 sabdfl we should be where our users and upstream developers are 02:18 Kamion (I'd hope so) 02:19 jono sabdfl, I agree - I just heard reports of security issues on freenode 02:19 sabdfl Kamion: i think Gaim handles that 02:19 sabdfl jono: irritations more than issues 02:19 jono I think we need a better proposal as said though 02:19 elmo sabdfl: well, Debian moved to oftc, they're arguably a large chunk of our upstream 02:19 thoreauputic please notice that there are still over 600 people in #debian despite their move - do we want aplit channels? 02:19 JanC upstream developers are on several networks already (e.g. GNOME) 02:19 elmo Kamion: yes 02:19 sabdfl i'd like to propose we remove this from the agenda till someone has done a better rationale 02:19 jsgotangco thoreauputic: however, that's not upstream channel === GnuKemist [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:19 azeem thoreauputic: that channel is the exception, all the others have moved 02:19 Kamion sabdfl: I have no issues with that 02:19 elmo the canonical stuff is indeed irrelevant - we are going to be running a private IRC server for that 02:20 sabdfl ok, what's next? 02:20 sabdfl localisation team leader === GnuKemist is now known as OgMaciel 02:20 OgMaciel morning all 02:20 sabdfl g'day OgMaciel :-) 02:20 thoreauputic azeem: my point is simply that splitting the community seems like a retrograde step 02:20 sabdfl your timing is rather impeccable 02:20 OgMaciel hehehe 02:20 OgMaciel there was traffic 02:20 OgMaciel just arrived at work 02:20 OgMaciel ;) 02:20 azeem thoreauputic: it's the support channel, the community (i.e. #debian-devel) actually got *merged* by the move (it was split for years) 02:20 sabdfl thoreauputic: agreed, but that's off the agenda now till / unless we get a new proposal === azeem shuts up 02:21 thoreauputic sabdfl: yup - OK 02:21 sabdfl so let's talk about ubuntu translations, and leadership === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:21 zakame hi all 02:21 sabdfl right now we have a pretty good infrastructure, in rosetta, though there are definitely issues there 02:22 sabdfl some issues relate to how we coordinate with upstream - i think those are improving, socially and technically 02:22 sabdfl some issues are to do with how teams are able to do QA on their membership 02:22 quail evening all 02:22 sabdfl keeping track of new suggestions and translations by members of the teams 02:22 sabdfl for teams who KNOW how all this works, it is getting better quickly 02:22 sabdfl but we don't have anyone leading, championing, translation in Ubuntu 02:22 sabdfl this person or team would: 02:22 sabdfl - help new translation teams get started 02:23 sabdfl - communicate regularly with the translation teams about release status and translation priorities 02:23 sabdfl (i.e. "please translate Kamion's newest upload asap it cannot be updated post-release") 02:23 sabdfl - help translation teams and LoCo teams coordinate with relevant upstreams, but telling them about best practice === pusakat [n=xenos@203.167.88.65] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:24 sabdfl there's also a big opportunity to help improve the state of fontconfig and input method configuration in Ubuntu for many languages 02:24 Kamion I'd also expect: 02:24 Kamion - liaise with the development team regarding bugs/issues affecting translations 02:24 sabdfl which requires working in many cases with the same groups of people 02:24 zakame hmm something nearly like what bubulle does for debian, right? 02:25 jsgotangco well we do get alerts from debian to "hey update this and that" 02:25 Kamion zakame: bubulle and Denis Barbier and others, yes 02:25 sabdfl elmo, mako, any other suggestions? zakame: yes, bubulle is great 02:26 Kamion bubulle is very good at making sure translators are clued up on all their technical requirements, and if necessary setting up systems to simplify and automate those 02:26 sabdfl jsgotangco: we notice updates when we sync in new work from debian 02:26 Kamion so I'd hope that an Ubuntu translation coordinator would also help to liaise with the Launchpad team regarding blocking issues for translators 02:27 Hobbsee (as a sidenote: if that someone could deal with the rosetta/kde upstream relationship too, that'd be good.) 02:27 sabdfl OgMaciel: do you want to tell us a bit about yourself, and how you see the role, and what you would bring to it? 02:27 OgMaciel sabdfl: sure thing 02:27 sabdfl Hobbsee: i think the rosetta guys are speaking directly with kde upstream 02:27 Hobbsee sabdfl: oh good. === Hobbsee has heard kde upstream's opinions on it, but that's offtopic :) 02:27 OgMaciel sabdfl: I feel very "attracted" to this role, since my involvement with Ubuntu has always been related to translation and advocacy 02:28 OgMaciel sabdfl: I have formed some ideas about how things should be for things to *just work* 02:28 OgMaciel things that require a lot of flexibility from all parties 02:28 sabdfl OgMaciel: do you have much experience with .po, gettext, fontconfig, scim? 02:29 OgMaciel sabdfl: not extensive for the bulk of my work has been done through Rosetta 02:29 OgMaciel sabdfl: but I do thing Rosetta has the potential to lessen the learning curve there 02:30 OgMaciel that is the beauty of things 02:30 sabdfl part of this job is social - leadership and communication and advocacy 02:30 OgMaciel if we all can get together and talk to upstream folks, we could have a system that would benefit everyone 02:30 sabdfl part of it is technical 02:30 jono OgMaciel, what impact would the role have with your duties in your LoCo team? 02:30 sabdfl do you think that should be split into two roles? 02:31 OgMaciel jono: I have thought of that... and I believe it is time for someone else take the leadership of pt_BR LoCo... someone local 02:31 jono OgMaciel, ok === MagicFab [n=fabian@modemcable035.165-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:32 OgMaciel sabdfl: I actually see this as a sub-group activity 02:32 OgMaciel sabdfl: a couple of guys sharing these responsibilities 02:32 sabdfl OgMaciel: what would you say you have learned from the pt_BR experience? 02:33 OgMaciel sabdfl: in terms of translations, I noticed that a few things need to be changed as far as nomenclature goes, in order for people to feel they're part of something 02:33 OgMaciel sabdfl: the word "leader" and "oficial" throws people off 02:33 Kamion OgMaciel: how comfortable would you be liaising with the development team, and how would you go about identifying and addressing problems affecting translations? 02:34 OgMaciel Kamion: for one thing, I'd set up regular meetings where groups could get together and discuss issues === merlin_the_great [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:34 OgMaciel Kamion: it would also serve as a source of sharing info === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:35 OgMaciel I also believe it is extremelly important to get upstream more involved 02:35 Kamion as in translation groups, or translators+developers, or somewhere in between? 02:35 jsgotangco why not revive the traffic in the -translators list as well 02:35 OgMaciel jsgotangco: +1 02:35 OgMaciel Kamion: between 02:35 OgMaciel I envision a worldwide repository of translations 02:36 OgMaciel where upstream would step up 02:36 OgMaciel and actually stear things 02:36 OgMaciel I would gladly take their experience in account 02:36 OgMaciel make upstream pristine 02:37 OgMaciel and make Rosetta a never ending source of suggestions 02:37 jono OgMaciel, how would you resolve conflict? 02:37 OgMaciel jono: I would make upstream pristine and the default translation === omera [n=krep@62.24.113.42] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:37 OgMaciel jono: and would sit down with them 02:37 OgMaciel upstream that is 02:38 OgMaciel and lock them up until they were convinced to jump in and help us turn Rosetta into a repository of suggestions 02:38 OgMaciel and have them teach us their methods 02:38 OgMaciel and speed things up 02:38 sabdfl easy, OgMaciel, i don't think you should base your plans on huge changes in rosetta 02:39 OgMaciel sabdfl: got carried away there 02:39 OgMaciel ;) 02:39 sabdfl most of what we are looking at now is not based on rosetta, but on community leadership and coordination 02:39 joeCoT or extreme cooperation from upstream :) 02:39 OgMaciel hehe 02:39 sabdfl getting carried away won't help - we're really looking for someone who can coordinate and lead the existing effort 02:40 jsgotangco OgMaciel: most people will actually tell you how efficient doing translations in cvs is compared to rosetta despite the extremely low learning curve 02:40 OgMaciel well, I would suggest that people get a hold of their respective upstream groups and initiate some communication 02:40 jono OgMaciel, exactly, this role really requires diplomacy at all levels 02:40 OgMaciel jono: agreed 02:40 sabdfl i think it most requires patience and diligence, together with some champion-advocacy 02:40 Kamion phone 02:40 Hobbsee OgMaciel: which is difficult when they tell you that it's a waste of time to be using rosetta? How do you deal with such things? === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-154-29.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:41 OgMaciel Hobbsee: I usually show them Rosetta in action 02:41 OgMaciel Hobbsee: for instance 02:41 Hobbsee ouch, my timing is a litle bad, sorry. === Belutz [n=belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:41 OgMaciel Hobbsee: I would pick a string that is considered to be inaccurate 02:41 Belutz is the loco meeting started yet? 02:42 OgMaciel Hobbsee: and would show them how to "fix" it 02:42 OgMaciel Hobbsee: and I would approve the fix 02:42 gnomefre1k Belutz: this is the CC meeting === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:42 OgMaciel Hobbsee: get the PO, do a switch-a-roo, and voila' 02:42 Hobbsee Belutz: just over 2 more hours 02:42 Belutz gnomefre1k: oopss, must be the time difference 02:42 jono Belutz, not for a while yet === cyphase_ [n=cyphase@ppp-67-119-186-142.dialup.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:43 OgMaciel sabdfl: there is only one major issue for me 02:43 OgMaciel sabdfl: time 02:43 OgMaciel this is a somewhat huge task 02:44 OgMaciel and my new job doesn't give me a lot of free time 02:44 sabdfl it is a big responsibility, yes 02:44 jsgotangco but i think you don't need a one-to-one conversation to do most of the work 02:44 OgMaciel so I'm here to support maybe someone else to take the role... and I would do my best to support this individual 02:44 Kamion OgMaciel: is your new job free-software-friendly? 02:44 OgMaciel Kamion: extremelly friendly 02:44 OgMaciel ;) 02:45 Kamion that often helps 02:45 OgMaciel my boss is very easy going === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:45 OgMaciel and we are on IRC all the time 02:46 OgMaciel I guess for starters, starting regular meetings for translators could get the ball rolling 02:46 OgMaciel rosetta guys could also attend them 02:46 jono it might be an idea to get an idea for minimum time commitment for the role and see if OgMaciel can satisfy that === omera [n=krep@62.24.113.42] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === amachu [n=amachu@61.247.245.87] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:47 OgMaciel jono: I like the sound of that 02:47 OgMaciel I am more than willing to step into this position 02:47 sabdfl yes, we could definitely get the rosetta guys to those meetings 02:48 amachu hi all 02:48 amachu Sri Ramadoss alias amachu here 02:48 amachu has the meeting started? 02:48 mindspin cc already 02:49 OgMaciel we could start holding some online "classes" for translators too === omera [n=krep@62.24.113.42] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:50 Hobbsee OgMaciel: hooking up with the ubuntu classroom people, maybe? === purserj [n=purserj@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:50 OgMaciel Hobbsee: asolutely ;) 02:50 OgMaciel absolutely 02:52 jsgotangco are there any questions for OgMaciel? 02:52 jsgotangco any more 02:52 jono if no decision is being made today, can I suggest the applicants for this position maybe write up a wiki page with their plans, experience etc for further discussion 02:52 jsgotangco jono: +1 02:52 jsgotangco but amachu is here already might as well give him a chance as well since OgMaciel did say his piece 02:53 mindspin Isn't it an issue between those who did translation work for other projects and those who stumble into rosetta and start doing translations "from the bottom line"? 02:53 OgMaciel jsgotangco: +1 === merlin_the_great [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["sudo] 02:53 sabdfl amachu: we are discussing the translation leadership position === OgMaciel would love to hear amachu's ideas 02:53 amachu sabdfl: yes 02:53 sabdfl could you introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about your experience with translation, fontconfig, input methods, etc 02:53 sabdfl also, contributions and participation in ubuntu translation 02:53 amachu yes.. 02:53 sabdfl and how you would lead such an effort? 02:54 amachu shall i start? 02:54 sabdfl yes please! 02:54 Kamion sabdfl: perhaps it would be fair to repeat your intro from earlier? 02:54 sabdfl i must unfortunately step into another meeting now. 02:54 amachu I am sri ramadas, contact person of Ubuntu Tamil Team 02:54 sabdfl Kamion: ok, can I paste? 02:54 Kamion sure 02:54 sabdfl (13:21:46) sabdfl: so let's talk about ubuntu translations, and leadership 02:54 sabdfl (13:21:55) zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] entered the room. 02:54 sabdfl (13:21:58) sabdfl: right now we have a pretty good infrastructure, in rosetta, though there are definitely issues there 02:54 sabdfl (13:21:58) zakame: hi all 02:54 sabdfl (13:22:17) sabdfl: some issues relate to how we coordinate with upstream - i think those are improving, socially and technically 02:54 sabdfl (13:22:28) sabdfl: some issues are to do with how teams are able to do QA on their membership 02:54 sabdfl (13:22:32) quail: evening all 02:54 sabdfl (13:22:38) sabdfl: keeping track of new suggestions and translations by members of the teams === Tonio__ [n=tonio@214.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:54 sabdfl (13:22:48) sabdfl: for teams who KNOW how all this works, it is getting better quickly 02:54 sabdfl (13:22:56) sabdfl: but we don't have anyone leading, championing, translation in Ubuntu 02:54 sabdfl (13:23:01) sabdfl: this person or team would: 02:54 sabdfl (13:23:08) sabdfl: - help new translation teams get started === Yann2 [n=Yann2@88.134.146.179] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:54 sabdfl (13:23:25) sabdfl: - communicate regularly with the translation teams about release status and translation priorities 02:54 amachu we started in august and is now twelve in number 02:54 sabdfl (13:23:43) sabdfl: (i.e. "please translate Kamion's newest upload asap it cannot be updated post-release") 02:55 sabdfl (13:24:10) sabdfl: - help translation teams and LoCo teams coordinate with relevant upstreams, but telling them about best practice 02:55 sabdfl (13:24:35) sabdfl: there's also a big opportunity to help improve the state of fontconfig and input method configuration in Ubuntu for many languages 02:55 sabdfl (13:24:37) Kamion: I'd also expect: 02:55 sabdfl (13:24:38) Kamion: - liaise with the development team regarding bugs/issues affecting translations 02:55 sabdfl (13:24:44) sabdfl: which requires working in many cases with the same groups of people 02:55 sabdfl (13:24:59) zakame: hmm something nearly like what bubulle does for debian, right? 02:55 amachu we perform translation on rosetta, 02:55 sabdfl (13:25:19) jsgotangco: well we do get alerts from debian to "hey update this and that" 02:55 sabdfl (13:25:22) Kamion: zakame: bubulle and Denis Barbier and others, yes 02:55 sabdfl (13:25:23) sabdfl: elmo, mako, any other suggestions? zakame: yes, bubulle is great 02:55 sabdfl that's it 02:55 sabdfl i'll read scrollback later 02:55 amachu hi.. sabdfl: listening to me? 02:55 sabdfl cheers all 02:55 zakame cheers sabdfl 02:55 sabdfl amachu: yes, the rest of the group is, i need to step afk 02:55 OgMaciel take care sabdfl 02:56 Belutz cheers sabdfl :) 02:56 Fujitsu Bye, sabdfl_afk! 02:56 jono later sabdfl_afk 02:56 amachu We all in our Team use SCIM input method for Translation 02:56 amachu www.ubuntu-tam.org is our website 02:57 amachu Now, my opinions of Translations and plans... === MehdiHassanpour [n=MehdiHas@85.198.25.238] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:57 amachu 1) We need to have strong back up of vocalulary of local language, to carry out translation 02:57 amachu vocabulary 02:58 amachu so we tied up with Tamil Wiktionary, a Wikipedia project, to collect English words and theri corresponding Tamil words 02:59 OgMaciel cool 03:00 amachu http://ta.wiktionary.org/ 03:00 jsgotangco amachu: how would you work on upstream with regards to translations, not just with tamil? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D84BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:01 amachu we find the way we work in Tamil is paying dividends and can be applied to other teams also 03:02 amachu Rosetta as such has one disadvantage as far as developing countries.. 03:02 zakame brb 03:02 amachu unavailabity of broad band connections... 03:03 amachu so colleges and other educational institutions are the key 03:04 jsgotangco amachu: im sorry but most of these are infrastructural and the position of translation team leader is more social in nature (but there are some technical issues as well), the model the tamil team adopts may not be as successful to other teams, for various reasons and require nurturing 03:04 amachu sure 03:04 amachu jsgotangco: I agree 03:05 Kamion amachu: we'd like to hear more about how you'd liaise with other teams (including Ubuntu development and Rosetta), train new translators, that ort of thing 03:05 Kamion ort -> sort 03:07 amachu Kamion: training new translators, we should have pre-prepared documents on training tools.. the transalating tools like KBabel, GTranslator... 03:09 amachu Next, All the words that have bee translated uptill now should be available for download collectively (one time download), since brb is not readily available.. 03:09 Kamion have you done anything to date that involved working with code changes required to support translations better? 03:09 OgMaciel I think amachu touched an important part, which is getting more documents about *best practices* for performing translations using Rosetta, etc 03:10 jono agreed 03:10 OgMaciel it would be interesting getting LoCo teams that share some of the languages, like spanish for instance, together 03:10 amachu no not as yet... 03:10 OgMaciel there's a slight chance that they could benefit from each others efforts 03:11 amachu Now if all translations done uptil now are available then huge amount of time will be saved in re-translating the same word 03:11 amachu Rosetta does that but brb is concern 03:11 Kamion "brb"? 03:12 amachu broad band connectivity 03:12 OgMaciel maybe someone could start a thread titled: "How we [LoCo team name goes here] operate"? 03:12 amachu Kbabel is the best tool we have witnessed === Czubek [n=Damian@a228.t15.ds.pwr.wroc.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:12 amachu it comes with Dictinary management services 03:14 fouadbajwa a small question, shouldn't there be a feature in Launchpad for a team admin to be able to send a message to all team members 03:14 amachu so, if the teams could download the PO file that contains all translations, add it to their local Kabel dictionary, half the time is saved... 03:14 fouadbajwa i know the LoCo team lists are there 03:14 fouadbajwa but still 03:15 Kamion fouadbajwa: I think that's off-topic here; #launchpad, or a bug report 03:15 fouadbajwa oh 03:15 fouadbajwa i was asking in light of LoCo Teams 03:15 amachu now Teams should be encouraged to create communities dedicated for a particular application 03:15 fouadbajwa seeking suggestion 03:15 fouadbajwa whether to propose or not 03:15 OgMaciel fouadbajwa: please do file a feature request about that :) 03:15 Kamion ok 03:16 fouadbajwa okay, this has to be done at #launchpad right 03:16 amachu so that their translation of a particular application doesn't get obsolete when a new version of that application is released 03:16 JanC that bug rapport exists and is a year old or something like that :) 03:16 Kamion amachu: thanks for your comments; I think the CC will need some time to consider the applications 03:16 fouadbajwa i think if all of the teamleads here propose 03:16 fouadbajwa it might just wokr 03:16 OgMaciel fouadbajwa: correct... let me know in pvt if you need help with that 03:16 fouadbajwa work 03:16 Kamion so we will report either next meeting, or after the conference in Mountain View 03:16 fouadbajwa hmm, 03:16 fouadbajwa right 03:17 Kamion elmo: any idea whether sabdfl's going to be back for locoteam/membership? 03:17 elmo Kamion: no, he's appeared but already run off to another meeting 03:17 elmo how about we use this opportunity to trial jono 03:17 amachu Kamion: Thank U 03:17 jono elkbuntu, surwe 03:17 jono sure 03:17 Kamion certainly for locoteams, at least 03:17 fouadbajwa haha 03:18 elmo get him to act as 3rd, and have sabdfl ok that and/or the applicants later? 03:18 fouadbajwa we don't have to trial Jono 03:18 Kamion (we've never been too bothered about strict voting requirements on those) === elkbuntu redirects the comment 03:18 fouadbajwa he has already proved his mark 03:18 fouadbajwa with the Official Ubuntu Guide ;) 03:18 fouadbajwa have you all read the guide 03:18 elmo ok, so let's do locoteams 03:19 fouadbajwa does anyone have a pdf version of the Official Ubuntu Book? === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["bedtime.] 03:19 fouadbajwa i have chm version 03:19 jsgotangco fouadbajwa: please OT 03:19 jono right can I make a few points about loco's first? 03:19 amachu fouadbajwa: the desktop guide? 03:19 gnomefreak fouadbajwa: i think thats a bit offtopic for this meeting 03:19 fouadbajwa okay 03:19 elmo jono: sure 03:20 jono I have restructured how LoCos get approved a little - they still need to go before the CC, but I have written https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved and ask them to make an approval wiki page 03:20 jono this gives CC members and others a good way of looking at an application 03:20 jono if the CC are ok with it, I would like to make this a requirement to be approved 03:21 jono it makes the process quicker and clearer 03:21 jono LoCo teams can liase with me to get their approval pages written and up to scratch === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 03:21 jono when they are done, we can present them at a CC meeting such as this and make a decent decision - I will then move teams to the approved status if required 03:22 jono thats it really :) 03:22 jono just so everyone was clear on what I have been doing :) === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:22 jono ok, so lets look at each team === Ekushey is from the Bangladeshi Team 03:23 jono should we do Bangledeshi team then :) 03:23 jono did youy guys want to say a few things to support your application? 03:23 Ekushey jono: like what? 03:24 Kamion jono: I am entirely OK with that procedure. Also worth noting that we like to see that the team is broadly secure in its structure (i.e. no major conflicts over leadership, etc.) 03:24 jono Kamion, right 03:24 Kamion which brings us rather neatly to the Bangladeshi team ;) 03:24 jono have their been leadership issues here? 03:25 Kamion jono: see last meeting's log 03:25 Kamion Ekushey: btw, yes, your mail arrived, sorry nobody replied to say that 03:25 Ekushey Kamion: there isn't any leadership or other kind of conflicts. it's just that this guys named MAK doesn't like me personally so he says all crap. 03:26 Kamion Ekushey: perhaps I should have said alleged conflict 03:26 Ekushey Kamion: did that guy wrote to CC? 03:26 Kamion give me a chance to check my archives here === jono reads the log 03:26 elmo I can't see anything 03:27 Ekushey Kamion: so can we get our team approved? we've been waiting for a long time now. 03:27 Kamion Ekushey: HANG ON :-) 03:27 Ekushey ok 03:28 Kamion OK, so Ekushey's mail seems entirely reasonable to me; it appears to be a grudge that should not be relevant to the Ubuntu team 03:28 Kamion makl10n has not mailed us to defend himself 03:29 Ekushey Kamion: i don't understand why he's after me :( 03:29 Ekushey Kamion: he keeps on sending me hate mails 03:29 jono I don't think I can comment either way as I am not familar with the conflict 03:29 jono application looks reasonable, would be nice to see a bit more experience 03:29 Kamion so I think at this point we should consider that conflict irrelevant 03:29 Kamion elmo: ? 03:30 elmo agreed 03:30 jono sounds reasonable 03:30 jono Ekushey, do you lead the team? 03:30 Ekushey jono: yes 03:30 jono Ekushey, the IRC channel seems very empty 03:31 Ekushey jono: irc isn't very popular in bangladesh 03:31 jono right 03:31 jono the list also seem fairly quiet 03:31 Ekushey jono: i've mailed and asked ppl to join the irc channel but appearently they don't like it much 03:31 jono I think I would recommend building up the groups communication channels 03:32 jono Ekushey, sure, but I think it would be wise to encourage discussion on the mailing list 03:32 jono I would see an approved team having a certain amount of information flow going on === GaRyu [n=dan-erik@h81172171154.kund.kommunicera.umea.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:32 Ekushey jono: we've started doing monthly meetings, and i'm sure it'll help 03:32 jono the work you are doing Ekushey looks great, I just think it maybe needs a touch more to get things rolling 03:32 jono Ekushey, excellent :) 03:33 Ekushey jono: we had our first meeting yesterday, 13 joined 03:33 jono Ekushey, fantastic, that is the kind of stuff to get things moving 03:33 Ekushey jono: i'm trying 03:33 Ekushey jono: i'm trying my best 03:33 jono I would recommend you keep doing these things to build up the communication and defer approval for a little while 03:33 Ekushey jono: oh ok. 03:34 jono not sure what the CC think though === swatje [n=swatje@198.161-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:34 jono Ekushey, I don't want to dishearten you, but I think you are 80% there and just need to get the communication flowing on your mailing list === Swaps [n=swatje@kotnet-146.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:35 Ekushey jono: 56 signed up on the list, but they don't reply my posts 03:35 Ekushey jono: i got your point === MagicFab [n=fabian@modemcable035.165-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:35 Kamion I think if they're on the right direction, rather than having to go through another round of meetings, maybe we should just monitor for a while and only bring them back if there seems to be a problem 03:35 jono Ekushey, well we can have a chat about how to get things rolling 03:35 Kamion does that sound reasonable? 03:36 jono Kamion, you mean approve with a probationary period sort of thing? 03:36 jono I am happy to keep an eye on what they are doing an approve it then if needed 03:36 Kamion yeah, I'm kind of thinking out loud 03:37 jono so if the CC are happy with the structure of the group (which seems sound) - I can then finally approve when the comunication is up and running 03:38 Kamion I'm provisionally OK, pending comment from elmo/sabdfl 03:38 jono ok === GaRyu [n=dan-erik@h81172171154.kund.kommunicera.umea.se] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Fry:] 03:38 Ekushey so we'll have to wait longer, right? 03:38 elmo works fo rme 03:39 jono Ekushey, approval is not the end game, getting an active LoCo is === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:39 jono Ekushey, we are saying that you are provisionally approved - you just need to get more communication going and then I will finally approve it :) 03:39 Ekushey jono: alright i understand, thanks 03:40 jono Ekushey, :) 03:40 Kamion Ekushey: aim of this exercise is that you won't have to sit through another CC meeting as long as you're still basically on the right lines :) 03:40 jono exactamundo 03:40 Ekushey thanks Kamion 03:40 Ekushey thanks to elmo too 03:40 jono are we going to wait for sabdfl's views for when he gets back? 03:41 Kamion he can fill us in later 03:41 jono ok 03:41 jono so, Belgian team 03:41 looksaus ok... 03:42 jono the application looks excellent 03:42 JanC here :) 03:42 Swaps here 03:42 looksaus have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeamApprovalApplication 03:42 jono how is leadership in the team folks? 03:43 looksaus officially, at the beginning, there was Lionel "ploum" Dricot 03:43 looksaus he got quite a few ubuntu-minded people together in february 2006 03:44 JanC (during FOSDEM) 03:44 looksaus at FOSDEM, a free and open source developer meeting 03:44 looksaus he seemed to have little spare time and things 03:44 jono right 03:45 JanC so now looksaus is pulling us forward :) 03:45 looksaus so in may, I brought people together for preparing press attention for the Dapper release and things 03:45 looksaus Lionel seems to like that 03:45 looksaus for the little we've still heard of him 03:45 jono so it sounds like a happy relationship 03:45 looksaus yes 03:45 jono well its a +1 for me 03:46 jono you guys some to be doing a rocking job 03:46 looksaus heh, thx... 03:47 Kamion the Belgian team has been around for a long time, and I've never heard any complaints 03:47 Kamion the support points map is a neat idea and seems to have a fair bit of participation; great 03:47 MagicFab looksaus, what is the licence of the maps / support app ? 03:47 looksaus free software, of course, with an invitation for other teams to join in on the development 03:48 looksaus https://launchpad.net/people/mapdevs/+branch/support.points.map/dev 03:48 MagicFab looksaus, it would be nice to make that clear either on lp or the site (or both) 03:48 jono could I encourage the belgian team to write about the support points map on loco-contacts so other groups can set up a similar thing 03:48 looksaus jono, have done so already 03:48 JanC of course 03:48 looksaus :) 03:48 jono oh cool :) 03:48 looksaus you were on holiday 03:48 jono is there a HOWTO of how to do it? 03:49 looksaus the code behind the running thing is really simple, but a bit messy 03:49 Kamion worth getting somebody to package it, maybe 03:49 jono ok, we can discuss this later :) 03:49 JanC currently there is the old, currently running code and the new version which is not ready yet 03:49 jono elmo, thoughts on the belgian approval? 03:49 looksaus what's there on new code is very clean, with clear use cases behind it 03:50 looksaus it's almost ready for general use in other locoteams 03:51 MagicFab looksaus, that URL doesn't offer a package, nor the licence in a clear way, would love to see that (for use in 2 locoteams I help with) 03:51 looksaus ah, maybe a bit special about our locoteam is that we would like to have JanC 03:51 looksaus as our main locoteams contact === Lie_Ex [n=lieex@222.92.109.226] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] 03:51 elmo jono: looks fine to me 03:51 looksaus so no me 03:51 elmo sorry, was afk 03:51 jono can we do the pakistani team now as fouadbajwa must leave for prayers in 20 mins 03:51 looksaus so not me... 03:51 fouadbajwa hi again 03:52 jono ok we will wait for sabdfl's views until he returns 03:52 Kamion looksaus: shouldn't be a problem 03:52 fouadbajwa sure 03:52 looksaus k, thx 03:52 elmo jono: I think we can assume loco teams are ok with the 3 of us 03:52 Kamion looksaus: you're Mark van den Borre? 03:52 looksaus yes 03:52 jono ok 03:52 jono elmo, sounds cool 03:53 jono this approval application is astonishingly detailed 03:53 fouadbajwa we got Ubuntu rolling with 4800 certified Ubuntu Linux users in the market endorsed by the Government of Pakistan, Government of Punjab, University of the Punjab 03:53 jsgotangco 4800 wow 03:53 fouadbajwa 215,000 Free CDs rolling in the market 03:54 fouadbajwa and we did a visit to CD vendors 03:54 looksaus sponsored by local government? 03:54 fouadbajwa place boxes everywhere 03:54 fouadbajwa yes 03:54 jsgotangco double wow 03:54 fouadbajwa The Govt of Pak and the Pakistan Telecommunications Authority and the Higher Education Commission are considering Ubuntu to be loaded into the government 03:54 jono fouadbajwa, tell us about leadership 03:55 fouadbajwa We have two leaders at the moment, since i am in Punjab in the provincial capital, the other team leader is for translation l10n Urdu 03:55 MagicFab fouadbajwa, is there any difference between work done/endorsed by fossfp.org and the Loco Team itself ? 03:55 fouadbajwa we are now starting 2 meetups atleast per month 03:55 fouadbajwa from my city first 03:56 fouadbajwa i have been able to form a consortium of companies to participate 03:56 fouadbajwa ISVs are on our hitlist 03:56 fouadbajwa Mark advised me to focus on ISVs when he visited us in January this year 03:56 fouadbajwa 8000 telecenters are also in pipeline 03:56 jsgotangco does the locoteam itself = fossfp.org? 03:56 fouadbajwa no 03:56 fouadbajwa FOSSFP is just an enabler 03:57 fouadbajwa a voluntary associate of Scholars, Govt people, Students, Professional users 03:57 fouadbajwa they push anything thats FOSS 03:57 fouadbajwa working with the United Nations 03:57 fouadbajwa at civil society level 03:57 jono fouadbajwa, there seems to be an awful lot of ideas, but how many get achieved? 03:57 fouadbajwa but have heavy influence in govts and all 03:58 fouadbajwa most of them are already achieved, not ideas, i have sent in reports 03:58 fouadbajwa and the canonical team has met with the govt leaders and IT industry 03:58 jono right 03:58 fouadbajwa we are now supporting the ecosystem through making available 03:58 jono fouadbajwa, any problems in the group? === MehdiHassanpour [n=MehdiHas@217.218.100.25] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:58 fouadbajwa technical support and more participation in localization efforts 03:58 fouadbajwa a bit 03:58 fouadbajwa Urdu 03:58 fouadbajwa not many people speak english 03:59 jono any conflicts with other members? 03:59 fouadbajwa and software piracy 03:59 fouadbajwa there are some conflicts that get settled with communication 03:59 jono right 03:59 fouadbajwa and the result of a recent one has been that the member was allowed leadership so that he could experience the real issues 03:59 jono well this looks all very good to me 03:59 fouadbajwa its better to let them take lead 03:59 jono I know fouadbajwa has worked very hard 03:59 fouadbajwa and see it for themselves 04:00 jono so its a +1 for me 04:00 fouadbajwa i would also like to mention here 04:00 fouadbajwa that our region is south asia 04:00 elmo ack from me too 04:00 MagicFab Pardon my intrusion, but I don't see anything explicitly defining a Loco team for Pakistan vs. FPSSFP.org + Canonical. See: http://www.fossfp.org/ubuntupakistan 04:00 fouadbajwa Magic that is very old information from last year 04:01 fouadbajwa we were then advised from Canonical and the Ubuntu community to take the team out in the public === craigaa [n=craigaa@dsl-145-113-29.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:01 fouadbajwa i will have fossfp remove that information 04:01 jono fouadbajwa, how does FOSSWP and ubuntu-pk differ? 04:01 fouadbajwa as it is no valid now 04:01 MagicFab Ubuntu is about more than "just open source / free software" which would seem to go agains FOSSFP.org mission / objectives. Can that be clarified ? We have similar issues for local groups here (QC, Canada) 04:01 jsgotangco just a question, how does fossfp and iosn south asia cooperate at the moment (i know its pretty OT) 04:01 fouadbajwa like i said FOSSFP only housed the team for a few days during the national FOSS awareness campaign 04:01 fouadbajwa giving us 600 computers, 600 volunteers and 22 Ubuntu trainres === Gadi [n=romm@static-71-249-255-248.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:02 fouadbajwa after that it was moved out of the University and has been operating independently building more community members from the open 04:02 fouadbajwa now within the meetups from november 04:03 fouadbajwa we will be engaging at an average 10 new members per month 04:03 fouadbajwa and as the telecenter initiative rolls out 04:03 jsgotangco for all its worth a lot of ubuntu advocacy has been done for sure 04:03 MagicFab fouadbajwa, I feel it needs clarification unless today you are proposing to forma a distinct, independent group not necessarily 100% aligned with FOSSP.org 04:03 fouadbajwa we can imagine the number of Ubuntu system admins 04:03 fouadbajwa Magic, there is no FOSSFP any more with Ubuntu-pk 04:04 fouadbajwa it only supported it 04:04 fouadbajwa in terms of infrastructure and advocacy 04:04 MagicFab fouadbajwa, that sound great! So it's only misunderstanding from outdated info. 04:04 fouadbajwa FOSSFP is a UNCTAD partner for developing world countries 04:04 fouadbajwa it works in all of south asia 04:04 elmo fouadbajwa: Jane Silber has some concerns about the language on that page WRT Canonical - could you be sure to coordinate with her about getting those resolved? 04:04 fouadbajwa i only do reports for them now 04:04 fouadbajwa no official status 04:04 elmo (the FOSSFP page, I mean) 04:04 fouadbajwa yes elmo 04:05 elmo fouadbajwa: ok, good, thanks 04:05 fouadbajwa i am sending a note to fossfp for complete removal 04:05 MagicFab I also think FOSSFP.org and ubuntu-pk.org badly need updating before getting any official team status. 04:05 fouadbajwa and if there are any more issues, they will meet resolution immediately 04:05 fouadbajwa yes Jono and Mathew are working with me 04:05 fouadbajwa since we had no Moin Moin expertise 04:05 fouadbajwa we have ported to drupal 04:06 fouadbajwa we are working on the drupal site now 04:06 fouadbajwa smurf has been notified about the new dns changes 04:06 fouadbajwa that will soon point to the new ubuntu-pk.org 04:06 MagicFab ubuntu-pk.org has 0 content, so I guess there are plans to move things there eventually 04:06 fouadbajwa and u will all be pleased to see Ubuntu in full bloom 04:06 fouadbajwa oh 04:06 fouadbajwa if you can make host changes to your host file, i will give you the IP of the new siet 04:07 fouadbajwa site, that should be pointed to the new settings within this week 04:07 MagicFab fouadbajwa, no rush, just asking. 04:07 fouadbajwa Jono can u back the detail of the ubuntu-pk.org that Mathew and i have been ccing :) 04:07 jono yes === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:07 fouadbajwa no problems Magic, i am here to clarify anything 04:07 jono there has been some discussion about setting up the site 04:08 fouadbajwa the theme has been contributed from Ubuntu Chicago 04:08 fouadbajwa wiki has been loaded by the Ubuntu webmaster 04:08 jono fouadbajwa, so all of the experience and roadmap on the application is part of ubuntu-pk? 04:08 jsgotangco heh the universal ubuntu drupal theme heh 04:08 fouadbajwa yes, no more fossfp :) 04:08 fouadbajwa yeah great work Chicago 04:08 fouadbajwa ! 04:08 fouadbajwa fabulous 04:09 fouadbajwa and more teams have also shared there themes, there should be a wiki ;page on ubuntu with all these themes 04:09 jono fouadbajwa, ok if you can state for the record that this is all part of ubuntu-pk, then this is fine with me 04:09 elmo Kamion: what do you think? 04:09 fouadbajwa yes this is all Ubuntu-pk 04:09 jsgotangco fouadbajwa: it just so happened that we were on the same server so we shared the theme from the beginning 04:09 MagicFab I am just worried that you're putting all the weight of FOSSFP in your application and it's not clear how bot relate(d). But if there's been other comm. I miseed, I can see how it's evolved. 04:10 fouadbajwa they were just supporting Magic nothing else 04:10 fouadbajwa they are a consortium of a large number of FOSS activists and researchers 04:10 fouadbajwa and just contributing local Ubuntu CDs 04:10 fouadbajwa and software mirrors 04:11 fouadbajwa you can check within one week, no information on Ubuntu association will be there === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:13 Kamion elmo: happy to go with jono here, if the FOSSFP confusion is sorted out 04:13 Kamion and ubuntu-pk.org is fixed 04:13 MagicFab I don't say everything ubuntu should disappear from their servers/site, quite the tcontrary. Just that the relationship between both is not clear to any new potential loco members. 04:13 fouadbajwa will be sorted out within these 7 days, 04:14 jono ok, lets wait for it to be fixed and then I will approve 04:14 fouadbajwa mailing list and ubuntu pages have been requested for removal 04:14 fouadbajwa could this approval then be just based on email notification and show of cause through www.fossfp.org? 04:14 gnomefreak just a reminder next meeting is in 45 minutes. 04:16 jono fouadbajwa,I think the general opinion is that we wan to see the changeover happen first and then there will approval 04:17 fouadbajwa thats what i mean, when i get there email that they have resolved the issue, i will notify you through email 04:17 fouadbajwa and you can check there website so forth 04:18 jono sure 04:18 jono sounds good 04:18 jono if all is resolved, we can then approve 04:18 jono if the CC are happy with this, I am :) 04:18 elmo fine by me 04:18 fouadbajwa sure okay :) sent out them the email request :) 04:18 elmo ok, so shall we move then? 04:19 elmo member candidates... === pschulz01 is here. 04:19 elmo JohanLundmark sebastean (September 23) - here? 04:19 fouadbajwa okay guys thanks and bye, i have to leave for prayers 04:20 jono thanks fouadbajwa 04:20 elmo Andrew Hodgkinson (September 26) - here? 04:21 elmo Michael Bienia geser (October 11) - here? === geser is here === Mirv [n=tajyrink@pdpc/supporter/active/Mirv] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:21 lophyte go geser :) 04:21 elmo geser: go ahead with your intro? === yama is present 04:22 geser sure 04:22 geser wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichaelBienia 04:22 geser LP: https://launchpad.net/people/geser === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:22 geser My name is Michael Bienia. I'm 26 years old and live in Dortmund, Germany. 04:22 geser I'm using Ubuntu since the development cycle of breezy but only started in august 2006 to also contribute to Ubuntu. 04:22 geser Since than I was fixing packages with unmet deps and doing sync and merges for packages in universe. crimsun sponsored my uploads and also reviewed my sync requests. 04:22 geser Currently I'm also mentoring/advising lophyte on MOTU work 04:23 geser questions? === Hobbsee has also sponsored some of geser's uploads 04:23 elmo any MOTUs want to comment/cheerlead for geser? 04:24 lophyte I'm not a MOTU, but I can say that geser has done an awesome job helping me out with getting into MOTU work 04:24 lophyte he's been very helpful in bringing me up to date on the swing of things, so to speak 04:24 MagicFab geser, I don't see that you have signe the code of conduct in LP ? 04:24 elmo Hobbsee: how were the uploads? 04:25 elmo magicfab: Ubuntero: Yes <-- means he has 04:26 Hobbsee elmo: mostly good. there were a few errors, but most were fine. geser's quick to fix any of them though === Hobbsee notes that he's probably gotten another billion debdiffs that u-u-s is subscribed to to upload :P 04:26 elmo ok, well, I'm pretty happy, there's a lot of packages here in a realtively short period of time 04:27 elmo Kamion/jono: what do you think? 04:27 Hobbsee between him and fujitsu...they keep us busy :P 04:27 MagicFab elmo: there would be a "Codes of conduct" entry in his page, which I don't see. 04:27 elmo MagicFab: *shrug* I can see it? 04:27 elmo magicfab: https://launchpad.net/people/geser/+codesofconduct 04:28 Kamion I've been processing a certain amount of geser's work as an ubuntu-archive member and it's seemed well-organised 04:28 Kamion he's been contributing for a reasonable amount of time too 04:28 Kamion I'm happy 04:29 jono sorry was on phone, reading up 04:29 jono I don't know geser really 04:30 MagicFab elmo: access to that page is restricted (so no menu entry), but thanks. 04:31 Hobbsee jono: i would suspect that's because you havent really been in the same circles. 04:31 Hobbsee jono: he's active in -motu, and -bugs - and the u-u-s, of course 04:31 jono right === Kuyaedz [i=Kuyaedz@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x0D084E13] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:35 Hobbsee (where the u-u-s is the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team) 04:35 culix my name is Mario and it is the first time for me to visit a CC, but i can say that geser is also a good supporter in #ubuntu-de, always friendly and helpful, just my 2 cents 04:36 geser I try to help in #ubuntu-de when I can 04:36 elmo ok, so let's move on for now 04:36 elmo geser: you've got a +2 from kamion and I, sabdfl will be checking the logs later to give you a quorate vote 04:37 geser thanks 04:37 elmo PaulSchulz pschulz01 (October 16) 04:37 pschulz01 Greetings all... 04:37 pschulz01 wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulSchulz 04:37 pschulz01 37 years, live in Adelaide, South Australia, and work as a Linux 04:37 pschulz01 System Adminsitator during the day. 04:37 pschulz01 I first appeared before the CC in May, and was asked to come back with 04:37 pschulz01 some more support. Since then, I have continued my involvement with 04:37 pschulz01 Ubuntu-Au, and have contributed to the translation and bug fixing 04:37 pschulz01 efforts (patches) for edgy, as well as well as keeping an eye on some 04:37 pschulz01 things like the 'Ubuntu Books' Wiki page. 04:38 pschulz01 Member of Ubuntu-Au, BugSquad and English Translation teams 04:38 pschulz01 Do I have any supported still here? (Just past midnight local time.) 04:38 elkbuntu of course you do :) 04:38 elkbuntu I cant speak highly enough of paul, he's an active and motivating member of ubuntu-au === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:38 bimberi pschulz01 is an AustralianTeam stalwart and the initiator/carrier-through-er of many of its best initiatives - two being hassling local notebook suppliers to ship Ubuntu and getting computer shops to distribute Ubuntu CDs. With Paul it's not just "we should do this", it's "here's how I did it - and how you can too". 04:39 yama I'm not a member (yet), but I've found pschulz01 to be quite helpful on IRC 04:40 elmo pschulz01: ISTRecognise your name - have you applied before? 04:40 gnomefreak elmo: he did in may and he was told to come back 04:40 elkbuntu most of the cheersquad has gone to sleep i believe, but there were many other people who wanted to be here for paul. 04:40 siccness :) 04:40 pschulz01 elmo: wiki: MeetingLogs/CC 2006-05-30 04:41 elmo I can believe anyone fell asleep during a CC meeting? it's so dynamic and fast paced 04:41 jsgotangco well its the unholy hour for people in +1- 04:41 jsgotangco +10 04:41 elkbuntu it is 00:41 here === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:42 elmo jsgotangco: yeah, I was being sarcastic, don't mind me 04:43 pschulz01 I plan to continue my work with the Ubuntu-AU team.. Australia needs an alternative. I'm continutally amazed at the results that other teams are getting.. (Belgium, Pakistan for example :-) 04:43 elkbuntu i believe paul has also done alot of work gettting ubuntu into his local community, especially with software freedom day last month 04:43 Hobbsee elmo: *g*. Someone should write a spec on it active participation in meetings by the respective quorums :P 04:44 pschulz01 Any questions? 04:45 elmo any bugswaud people able to vouch for pschulz01? 04:45 elmo squad too 04:45 gnomefreak he has done alot of triaging since may/juneish 04:46 gnomefreak im happy with the work he has done :) 04:49 elmo ok, well, I'm happy based on vouching from team-au and the bugsqaud team and the fact that he had the persistence to come back ;- 04:49 elmo ) 04:49 Kamion I'm fine with pschulz01 for the -au-based advocacy if nothing else 04:49 elkbuntu yeah.. persistant.. he's definatly that :) 04:50 elmo jono: any comments? 04:50 Kamion can I fill in my comments on the other two applicants afterwards? I *have* to get to the post office before closing time and there are a number of things I need to do there 04:50 jono sounds good to me :) 04:51 jono I have good things about pschulz01 04:51 elmo Kamion: sure === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:51 looksaus yama, your turn :) 04:51 jono also we need to start the loco meet soon 04:51 Hobbsee Kamion: bang down the door after hours instead :P 04:51 elmo jono: define soon? 04:51 elmo pschulz01: ok, you've got +2, once you get +1 from sabdfl or mako later, it'll become official 04:51 yama thanks looksaus 04:51 jono well its due to start in 8mins 04:52 elkbuntu jono, yes.. we do.. in 8 minutes according to my time :-/ === pschulz01 says goodnight! 04:52 jono night pschulz01 :) 04:52 siccness Night mate! 04:52 elkbuntu night paul :) 04:52 yama cya paul 04:53 looksaus yama, ? 04:53 jono should we defer the remaining members till the next meet or just overrun? 04:54 jono I understand people have stuck around for these members 04:54 yama I'd like to have a go, if possible 04:54 jono ok 04:54 yama thanks 04:54 yama Firstly, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SridharDhanapalan 04:54 yama and https://launchpad.net/people/lordyama 04:54 gnomefreak jono: weve overrun an hour already and we have another meeting in like 6 minutes :) 04:55 jono gnomefreak, I know :) 04:55 yama (Sorry if I sound like I'm rushing. I've stayed up for this. It's almost 1am here in Sydney) 04:55 jono we could always start the loco meeting in another chan 04:56 elkbuntu Yama's active in the ubuntu-au community === Hobbsee has even met yama :P 04:56 bimberi Huge \o/ from me for yama's efforts to coordinate "Queen's English" (ie. en-GB derived) translation. en-GB is >95% complete for Dapper and would be nowhere near that without his efforts to gather resources and bring the different translation groups together. It has been a determined effort over a number of months and achieved with a minimum of angst amongst some very pedantic people. A sustained and significant contribution (imo 04:56 bimberi :-) ). 04:56 elkbuntu I can assure the CC that TheMuso intended to support him, but it seems that we lost him 04:56 elkbuntu <TheMuso> Ok. I have a statement about Yama ready. :) <-- i never saw the statement though 04:57 Hobbsee TheMuso went to bed hours ago 04:57 elkbuntu Hobbsee, i figured so 04:57 yama yes, he couldn't stay up 04:57 yama I'm an active member of ubuntu-au. 04:58 yama I spend most of my time doing translations for en_GB, because it forms the root of many derivatives like en_AU, en_NZ and so on 04:58 elmo erm, stupid question, but what do translations for en_GB involve? 04:58 elmo changing color to colour? 04:59 Hobbsee elmo: i believe so 04:59 yama much more than that, actually 04:59 yama there are more subtle things like punctuation differences 04:59 gnomefreak lol 04:59 yama and we needed to settle on some different terminologies, which has required co-ordination with upstream en_GB groups 05:00 bimberi https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation 05:00 yama I wrote https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation to guide our efforts === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: LoCo | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Oct 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Oct 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 24 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board 05:00 bimberi :) 05:00 yama yep, thanks bimberi :) 05:01 yama I have turned the en_GB group into an International English one 05:01 yama it is mostly en_GB, but we take derivatives into consideration when picking words/terms to use === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: LoCo | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Oct 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Oct 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 25 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu 05:02 yama there is a lot of work 'herding cats', so to speak 05:02 jono ok 05:02 jono any other comments from people? === Kuyaedz [i=Kuyaedz@gateway/tor/x-255d4971deb0f87e] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:03 elmo looks ok to me 05:04 jono fine to me 05:04 jono Kamion, and sabdfl_afk are waiting till later right? 05:04 elmo tho, and no disrespect intended, I'm surprised people find translating to en_GB... worth the effort it must involved? 05:04 elmo s/d?/?/ 05:04 yama language is an important part of culture 05:04 elmo esp. since AFAIK rosetta can't do "this string doesn't need translated" 05:04 elmo jono: right 05:05 jono ok one more to do right? 05:05 elmo so shall we move on, and defer the remaining person till next week? the 05:05 looksaus me... 05:05 looksaus https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkVanDenBorre 05:05 elmo so shall we move on, and defer the remaining person till next meeting - they only applied today anyway 05:05 yama elmo: we have a wonderful greasemonkey script to help us === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:05 jono right 05:05 jono thanks folks :) 05:05 Hobbsee impressive. another 3 hour meeting. 05:05 elmo looksaus: would you mind waiting? sorry, it's just been a very long meeting 05:05 looksaus sure... 05:05 looksaus or should I paste here for the logs 05:05 looksaus ? 05:06 yama thanks for your time, everyone 05:06 jono looksaus, could you make a wiki page 05:06 jono we need to start the loco meeting really 05:06 looksaus I already did, just pasted it 05:06 jono ahhh thats cool then :) 05:06 looksaus https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkVanDenBorre 05:06 nixternal i think the CC needs to take the first 5 applicants at each meeting 05:06 jono nixternal, agreed, these meetings are too long
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