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07:32   elmo    ok, let's get started
07:33   elmo    We'll skip the IRC item .. again
07:33   Seveas  
07:33   elmo    do we need to revisit the localisation / translation team leader thing yet?
07:33   elmo    Seveas: mark isn't here
07:33   Seveas  elmo, I know, that's why I typed the smiley
07:34   elmo    Seveas: oh - that looked like a '?' in my broken client
07:34   zakame  it is a ?
07:34   mako    i just assumed you were saying "tu"
07:34   tomveens        Who has a broken client?
07:34   Seveas  ah, sorry about that, I'll cut down on my unicode addiction. Anyway, what do people actually want from the CC regarding the localization business?
07:35   elmo    I'm not sure - let's skip it for now, I'll talk to Mark OOB
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07:35   makl10n elmo: before you move ofrward I want to draw your attention toward my nomination
07:35   elmo    makl10n: for the localization?  sure, did you want to say something about it?
07:36   Kamion  makl10n: which one are you? just trying to map IRC nicks to wikinames
07:36   Seveas  Mahay Alam Khan
07:37   Kamion  ok
07:37   makl10n Seveas: yap
07:37   makl10n shall I change my nick
07:37   Kamion  no
07:37   Kamion  makl10n: would be nice if you set up your client so that /whois told us your name, though
07:37   Kamion  doesn't require changing your nick
07:38   zakame  hmm we forgot that; who's who?
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07:38   makl10n me using a bad client, can't find the option
07:39   makl10n better change my nick.........
07:39   Seveas  makl10n, what did you want to say regarding your nomination?
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07:39   Kamion  don't worry about the IRC configuration business now - we know who you are now
07:39   xmakl10n        I want to withdraw my name ......... I
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07:40   makl10n I thought you were having a tab complition conflict with mako
07:41   makl10n Kamion: I want to withdraw my nomination from the localisation / translation team leader
07:41   elmo    makl10n: ok - any particular reason?
07:42   makl10n mmm... I guess OgMaciel is better than after going through his profile.
07:42   OgMaciel        makl10n: ;)
07:43   elmo    ok
07:43   mako    that's fine
07:43   makl10n When I get the mail regarding the call for nomination, I thought you were asking  leader for individual language
07:43   elmo    OgMaciel: does your new job change anything for you?
07:43   OgMaciel        elmo: it just may
07:43   makl10n OgMaciel: hi
07:43   Kamion  makl10n: ah, that seems to have been a not uncommon misunderstanding
07:43   OgMaciel        makl10n: hello there
07:44   elmo    OgMaciel: ok - can you let us (CC) know by email once you know for sure?
07:44   elmo    shall we move onto loco teams?
07:44   elmo    or team
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07:44   OgMaciel        elmo: will do... mind you I still don't have internet at home though
07:44   OgMaciel        ;(
07:45   makl10n OgMaciel: I shall love to assist you ...if you ask. Only if the Localisation / Translation Leader needs an assistant ;)
07:46   mako    lets move onto loco teams
07:46   OgMaciel        makl10n: I believe this "job" is too big for someone going at it alone part-time... so a group of "assistants" would be awsome
07:46   elmo    RussellJohn - here?
07:46   OgMaciel        ;)
07:46   mako    any word from sabdfl?
07:46   Ekushey elmo: present
07:47   Ekushey i represent the ubuntu-bd loco team
07:47   elmo    mako: no - I wonder if he got lost :/ - I'll SMS ping him
07:47   zakame  OgMaciel: is there some ToDo now up? :)
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07:48   Seveas  Ekushey, could you please introduce the team
07:48   Ekushey Seveas: the wikipage of the ubuntu-bd team lives at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BangladeshiTeam
07:49   OgMaciel        zakame: we have actually drawn a few "duties"
07:49   Ekushey Seveas: and our site is at www.ubuntu-bd.org, which is localised in bengali
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07:49   zakame  OgMaciel: ooh! where can I find moreinfo
07:50   makl10n Seveas: what are duties of a LoCo team, and who should lead the team ?
07:50   Ekushey Seveas: we've a team of 20+ dedicated volunteers who are helping to spread ubuntu in bangladesh
07:50   mako    Ekushey: wow, that's great
07:51   Ekushey Seveas: we're particularly intersted in promoting Edubuntu and Xubuntu
07:51   mako    it sounds like your showing at the conference was also very strong
07:52   Ekushey mako: yeah, we're very happy about the week-long fair that we attended. some snapshots here: http://gallery.linux.org.bd/thumbnails.php?album=29
07:53   Ekushey the best part is that we got a lot press attention and the journalists got to know that there's something called ubuntu!
07:53   makl10n I regret to say, but I've objection about Bangladeshi loco team
07:53   Ekushey mako: do u have any particular question? i'm lagging badly and i might get disconnected in any time
07:54   Seveas  makl10n, please share them
07:54   zakame  mako: hmm why is that?
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07:55   makl10n they just started doing these...but there are lots of people who has been doing things for OSS / Linux and particularly for Ubuntu.....why they are not in the team
07:55   mako    makl10n: are you suggesting that they are not welcome in the team?
07:55   zakame  err I mean makl10n
07:55   Ekushey makl10n: for instance, whom?
07:55   makl10n yap, they are not welcome....... like me. I am not welcome nin the team
07:56   zakame  hmm, why aren't you welcome?
07:56   makl10n zakame: I don't know !
07:57   Ekushey mak10n: u don't know? then how can u say this?
07:57   Kamion  makl10n: did you try to join the team and were rejected?
07:57   zakame  makl10n: you mean to say you an Ekushey belong to the same locality?
07:57   makl10n have you ever heard about Ankur Group of Bangladesh. they are doing the most of effort.....but the lead of that group Mr. Jamil Ahmed is not in the loco team
07:58   gnomefreak      makl10n: you were deactivated if mak is you LP id
07:58   Ekushey Kamion: he left the launchpad team twice
07:58   makl10n yes, I can forward e-mail correspondence regardings this. (anyone can join online, but not welcome in their events)
07:58   Ekushey mak10n: can u please keep your personal interests out of this?
07:59   Kamion  e-mails can be sent in confidence to community-council@lists.ubuntu.com
07:59   Kamion  Ekushey: personal interests?
07:59   Seveas  Ekushey, this does not seem to be 'personal interests'
07:59   zakame  makl10n: but is this other group pushing for ubuntu, or just FOSS in general?
08:00   makl10n zakame: have you heard of Ankur Group
08:00   Ekushey Seveas: he's mentioning about the LUG that i belonng to, not Ubuntu-BD
08:00   zakame  makl10n: no, that's why I'm asking?
08:00   Seveas  Ekushey, ah
08:00   makl10n this is the group working for last couple of years.......and the team working for lots of projects...just visit www.bengalinux.org
08:01   Kamion  I can't make head or tail out of this. Please remember that the CC is not an expert in Bangladeshi LUG politics, and explain with that in mind
08:01   zakame  makl10n: a LoCoTeam isn't exactly the same as a LUG, from my understanding
08:01   Kamion  makl10n: it's perfectly reasonable for there to be a separate group doing Ubuntu-specific things, even if there are other local groups working to advance free software in general. Is that what you object to?
08:02   zakame  makl10n: I for example belong to both PLUG and ubuntu-PH; each grp has their own goals and the means of achieving them
08:02   mako    it's even ok to have overlapping locos, although it should definitely be avoided
08:02   gnomefreak      ok that link doesnt say anything about ubuntu it is FLOSS
08:02   makl10n Yap, there should be a LoCo team, but who is leading the team
08:03   makl10n the man who is isolated for the FOSS community of a country
08:03   mako    if the current membership or leadership of any loco is barring or making certain groups or individuals unwelcome, that's important for us to know
08:03   Kamion  makl10n: "isolated"?
08:03   Ekushey ????
08:03   jenda   <suggestion>I think both parties should send an email explaining their PoV to the CC, and perhaps bring back the topic next time? </suggestion>
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08:03   makl10n jenda: you're correct.
08:04   mako    it's not clear to me that all sides even understand what the problem is
08:04   zakame  ummm, yes, perhaps more info ought to be brought up
08:04   Kamion  I agree with jenda; there's obviously a lot of background argument here, which we need to be filled in on before making a decision
08:04   makl10n zakame: lets brought up in the next meeting
08:04   jenda   mako: I think that would be clear from teh emails sent.
08:04   makl10n is anyone of you attended "debconf' in extremadura ?
08:05   mako    no, although i don't see what that has to do with the ubuntu loco team
08:05   Ekushey mako: this guy was after us from the beginning
08:05   Ekushey mako: i really don't understand why he's after us
08:05   Ekushey mako: he's taking the entire issue personally...
08:05   zakame  mako: thats a `many' :P
08:05   Ekushey mako: and he sent me hate mails when we formed the team!
08:06   zakame  and yeah, what does debconf hav to do with this?
08:06   makl10n mako: then I would introduce someone better them him who deserve to be our (Bangladesh) loco team leader
08:06   Kamion  Ekushey: if this is a case of a single person with a grudge, then that's not a barrier; but I'm sure you understand that we need to take complaints seriously
08:06   Kamion  so it needs to be investigated
08:06   Seveas  Ekushey, makl10n: please summarize your points of view in a mail to the council. This fight isn't going anywhere and in the interest of time we should be moving on
08:06   zakame  Ekushey: well present some proof of it then
08:06   mako    makl10n: you're going to need to explain what the problem is first
08:06   mako    yes
08:07   mako    and i'm running out of time here
08:07   Ekushey Kamion: sure thing. let him proof if he can.
08:07   makl10n thanks....
08:07   makl10n I don't want to prove anything, I just want to suggest better name for the LoCo team leader
08:07   zakame  its kinda weird though; ai'nt ubuntu all about community? :P
08:08   Kamion  makl10n: this isn't about nominations; other people who want to be involved in leading a loco team should step up themselves
08:08   Kamion  we expect leaders to take their own initiative
08:08   makl10n please just go through this.......and rest will be in next meeting or in you mail boxes.... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bd/2006-July/000048.html
08:08   Ekushey God, this guy has personal problems with me and he's trying to ruin everything!
08:09   zakame  ok, perhaps its time to move on
08:09   makl10n Ekushey: I didn't say anything personal. but you are bashing me .......
08:09   Ekushey mako, Seveas, zakame: what's my next step?
08:09   amachu  hi
08:09   amachu  every one
08:09   zakame  yo amachu
08:09   Seveas  makl10n, Ekushey: please calm down
08:09   zakame  Ekushey: heed Seveas
08:10   Seveas  Ekushey: please summarize your points of view in a mail to the council so this can be revisited next time
08:10   mako    Ekushey: just email the council email list
08:10   Kamion  Ekushey: best is to send a calm, reasoned mail to community-council@lists.ubuntu.com describing the situation and what effect it has on the bd team
08:10   Ekushey mako: sure, np
08:10   tomveens        All we need is a smoke and a next subject
08:10   mako    i really need to run, still no sign of mark?
08:11   zakame  hmm I thought he's just walking to his flat or something?
08:11   superm1 as we move on, i'm not sure how quickly we're going thru each applicant.  if we are running around 45 minutes from now, and I won't be making it up - could I possibly be bumped ahead?  I have to leave in 50 min
08:11   amachu  zakame: i am here to volunteer for "Localisation / Translation Team Leader"
08:11   zakame  superm1: better prepare your arsenal then
08:12   zakame  amachu: ping OgMaciel
08:12   elmo    mako: I'll phone him
08:12   mako    great..
08:12   elmo    while I'm doing that - we should decide if we want to do the kamion+elmo show, with you reading logs, or simply postpone or what
08:12   amachu  OgMaciel: Hi, i am here to volunteer for "Localisation / Translation Team Leader"
08:12   superm1 I'll do the best I can, so long as i have MOTU buddies around :)
08:13   LaserJock       heh
08:13   zakame  superm1: ooh MOTU aspirant! :)
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08:14   sabdfl  hi folks
08:14   gnomefreak      hi sabdfl
08:14   matid   Hi sabdfl
08:14   tseliot hi
08:14   mako    sabdfl: great
08:14   sabdfl  elmo: sorry, got to the phone as you hung up and realised...
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08:14   zakame  heya sabdfl
08:14   sabdfl  hi all
08:14   mako    sabdfl: i've got another meeting i need to run to
08:14   mako    sabdfl: we're at new member candidates new
08:14   amachu  zakame: is OgMaciel around?
08:14   mako    now
08:14   mako    i might be able to pop back in a bit
08:14   zakame  amachu: he ought to be
08:14   mako    and i'll definitely read teh log
08:14   sabdfl  mako: ok i'll step into them shoes
08:14   OgMaciel        amachu: hold on... be right back
08:14   mako    talk to you soon!
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08:15   zakame  yo crimsun
08:15   sabdfl  who's first!
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08:15   amachu  OgMaciel: Ok
08:15   elmo    DaveSullivan lophyte (September 18)
08:15   lophyte that's me
08:15   zul     cd
08:15   elmo    lophyte: go for it
08:15   lophyte Hey everyone, my name is Dave Sullivan. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DaveSullivan, and my launchpad can be found at http://launchpad.net/people/dsullivan. I recently started the Toronto chapter of the ubuntu-ca team, and in just a week's time we managed to organize a successful Software Freedom Day celebration, in which we handed out nearly 100 CDs and over 150 brochures, advocating and raising awareness for Ubuntu
08:15   lophyte More details about my activity can be found on my wikipage. Thanks for your consideration. Any questions?
08:16   sabdfl  lophyte: what kind of class?
08:16   OgMaciel        amachu: let's take this offline but I'm afraid I don't have too much time
08:16   lophyte class?
08:16   sabdfl  OgMaciel: congrats on the new post
08:16   sabdfl  lophyte: "presentation on ubuntu to a class"
08:16   amachu  OgMaciel: sure.. Please guide me what should i do?
08:17   OgMaciel        sabdfl: thanks...  I'm very happy here indeed...  I think for the first time in a long time too
08:17   lophyte sabdfl: ahh.. the presentation was in a "professional skills" class, of mostly average end-users
08:17   sabdfl  lophyte: what do you do in real life?
08:17   lophyte unemployed at the moment
08:18   lophyte looking for work.. preferably linux adminstrator type work
08:18   sabdfl  lophyte: toronto loco team sounds very positive, what kind of folks are mostly members of the team?
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08:18   lophyte we had about 10 people come out to our first meeting.. a few people who were completely new to Linux, a few who had used Linux but were new to Ubuntu, and a few who had been using Ubuntu for a while
08:18   lophyte so we had a good mix
08:19   sabdfl  any interesting observations from the completely new folks?
08:19   zakame  hmm intersting
08:19   sivang  hi sabdfl
08:19   lophyte well there was one guy who actually lives outside of the city.. he suggested we start a 'mentoring' program where more advanced users would mentor new users 1-on-1, and that's something we're definitely going to be discussing soon
08:19   sabdfl  hey sivang!
08:19   rexbron hay lophyte
08:19   lophyte heya rexbron
08:20   sabdfl  ok, +1 from for the loco work, elmo?
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08:20   nixternal       elmo, Seveas, Kamion, mako, sabdfl:  Thanks for holding this meeting first and foremost. lophyte is an outstanding contributor to the advocation of Ubuntu. He has successfully setup and runs the Ubuntu Toronto LoCo. He helps out tremendously with the UWN and is journying out further every day in the community. Outstanding candidate for Ubuntu Member!
08:20   sabdfl  s/from/from me/
08:20   nixternal       that took forever to type ;)
08:20   lophyte we also hope to get a few video-minded members together and shoot some ubuntu promotional videos to be posted on ubuntuvideo.com
08:20   rexbron yup
08:21   tomveens        I'm thinking
08:21   lophyte rexbron's one of our members, actually :)
08:21   rexbron =D
08:21   Kamion  ah, didn't realise you'd started on UWN work as well - that's listed as future plans on your wiki page
08:21   sabdfl  hi kamion
08:22   Kamion  hi, just alternating between dinner and meeting here
08:22   jenda   I'll second nixternal on the UWN business.
08:22   rexbron I'm gussing that SFD has been mentioned...
08:22   rexbron eh lophyte?
08:22   Kamion  I was just reading the SFD link off Dave's wiki page
08:22   lophyte rexbron: yup, its on my wikipage and I mentioned it earlier
08:22   rexbron good
08:23   nixternal       yes Kamion, he helps out big time with UWN work and within the Ubuntu Marketing Team. Great ideas, and enjoys working on anything Ubuntu that he can. That I really appreciate in lophyte!
08:23   Kamion  it sounds like it was a great success; impressive
08:23   lophyte also, the CC should have a recommendation for me from Corey Burger in their email
08:23   lophyte he sent it 2 weeks ago, approximately
08:23   nixternal       as long as Ubuntu Toronto don't outshine Ubuntu Chicago I am OK :) muhehe
08:23   lophyte haha
08:24   Kamion  ah, yes, indeed
08:24   zakame  lol
08:24   Kamion  "I have worked with Dave as part of the Ubuntu Canada loco team and have found him to be both consistency courteous and a hard worker. He recently organized the 2006 Software Freedom Day celebration in Toronto, including getting 6 other people to help out and securing a venue in a high traffic location. He has also been doing some general organization of Ubuntu users in Toronto."
08:24   Kamion  (corey)
08:24   Seveas  impressive
08:25   Kamion  so I'm happy with lophyte, good testimonials for Ubuntu advocacy work and documentation
08:26   sabdfl  do we need a third from elmo, or is two considered sufficient?
08:26   Seveas  2 down, one to go
08:27   Seveas  sabdfl, so far the CC used majority voting
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08:27   nixternal       ice cream truck must have drove by his place
08:28   lophyte haha
08:28   zakame  lol
08:28   highvoltage     hehe
08:28   Kamion  I wonder if they do Subway trucks ...
08:28   nixternal       i wish
08:28   sabdfl  elmo will be back in a sec
08:28   Kamion  ok, let's keep going and he can catch up
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08:28   elmo    sorry, ack
08:28   zakame  as in subway sandwich?
08:29   Seveas  woo!
08:29   sabdfl  welcome aboard lophyte!
08:29   Seveas  lophyte, congratulations!
08:29   Kamion  who wants to drive lp?
08:29   zakame  oh there he is with the radio
08:29   jenda   must've been the icecream.
08:29   sabdfl  Kamion: willdo
08:29   lophyte thanks :D
08:29   jenda   lophyte: congrats :)
08:29   Kamion  well voluntold
08:29   nixternal       lophyte: congrats homer!
08:29   matid   lophyte: Congrats
08:29   lophyte thanks everyone
08:29   Seveas  frodon, you're up
08:30   frodon  yes i am ;)
08:30   zakame  rock on lophyte
08:30   frodon  i will start presenting myself
08:30   Seveas  good
08:30   frodon  I'm a french 25 years old digital designer for a semi-conductor company.
08:30   frodon  Really impressed by ubuntu, i use this distribution since the beginning of hoary and decided to get involved helping users, writing guides and archiving usefull informations.
08:30   frodon  I'm involved in the UDSF project since (almost) the beginning and i spend as many time as i can to make this project a success.
08:31   frodon  I mainly provide support (more than 2500 posts) through www.ubuntuforums.org where i am a moderator since may 2006.
08:31   frodon  I'm, in general, interested in providing support and documentation for ubuntu users.
08:31   frodon  launchpad profile : https://launchpad.net/people/frodon
08:31   Seveas  I'm still confused by the UDSF/docteam split - what's up with that?
08:31   jenda   frodon has been a great help in the forums, but also in the forums' IRC channel (#ubuntuforums) - especially since he joined the forum staff.
08:31   tseliot Frodon is really an asset of the forum. He is doing an impressive work to keep the forum clean and ordered. And I guarantee that it's not an easy task, given the always increasing number of members (hence also of posts, spam, flamewars, etc.) of the forum. He's very efficient. Furthermore he is also an invaluable member of the UDSF and, in my opinion, one of the reasons of its success.
08:32   LaserJock       Seveas: I believe it is a "work in progress" ;-)
08:32   frodon  Seveas, it's just 2 differents ways to provide documentaion to ubuntu users
08:32   jenda   (The question has been on my mind for a long time, Seveas. Would love to hear a good answer)
08:32   Seveas  frodon, is there any collaboration between the 2 teams?
08:32   frodon  the UDSF reach 2 milions hits last week :)
08:33   frodon  yes there's a team created for this purpose
08:33   Seveas  how's that going?
08:33   jenda   frodon: isn't it a bit of effort waste, there? Why don't the teams work together on a single resource? The approaches don't seem all that different.
08:33   frodon  https://launchpad.net/people/wikiforumteam
08:34   frodon  unfortunatly this team isn't really active for the moment
08:34   frodon  we have planned to share a page to collect togetther all the good guides generated by the forum
08:34   Burgwork        basically the issue was that the UDSF viewed themselves are archivers of forum content, rather than creators of docuemntation
08:34   nixternal       i can back frodon up on why it isn't that active right now. USDF posters/authors aren't responding to emails we send asking for their permission to post on our wiki
08:34   frodon  exactly Burgwork
08:35   Burgwork        except that is not the view of the documentation team
08:35   Burgwork        however, I am not certain we need to be discussing this right now
08:35   Seveas  good point
08:36   Seveas  but do you as docteam member think the udsf and thus frodons contribution to it is a good thing for the Ubuntu community?
08:36   Burgwork        yes, totally
08:36   sabdfl  frodon: what's ubuntu-graphic-drivers all about?
08:36   Burgwork        given how inactive the doc team has been during edgy, we need all the people we can get
08:37   tseliot sabdfl: you can check this about the ubuntu-graphic-drivers
08:37   frodon  it' a team created by tseliot, which maintain a repositoy with latest nvidia and ATI drivers
08:37   tseliot http://albertomilone.com/driver.html
08:37   Seveas  sabdfl: tseliot expressed interest in integrating this with ubuntu proper at the previous meeting
08:38   sabdfl  can either of you guys come to UDS Mountain View, Nov 5-10?
08:38   Kamion  I was under the impression that l-r-m was reasonably up-to-date at the moment
08:38   sabdfl  we'll be talking a lot about graphics drivers, aiglx
08:38   tseliot Unfortunately I can't
08:38   Seveas  Kamion, for edgy yes, for dapper it may need an update
08:38   tseliot :-(
08:38   sabdfl  and we'll have folks there from nvidia and ati as well as intel
08:38   Kamion  Seveas: true
08:38   Seveas  sabdfl, I'll be there and intend to join tseliots effort
08:38   sabdfl  ok
08:39   tseliot great
08:39   frodon  about doc team colaboration, we can easily on the UDSF side provide all the links to the good guides generated by the forum to the doc team and it's what we planned
08:39   Seveas  (I already do updated fglrx)
08:39   sabdfl  frodon: are you a forum moderator?
08:39   Seveas  frodon, that would rock
08:39   frodon  yes i am sabdfl
08:39   sabdfl  frodon: +1 from me on the basis of sustained forums contribution - kamion, elmo?
08:40   elmo    ack WRT the forums.  it's perhaps orthogonal to frodon's application, but I'm a little concerned by the UDSF/wiki split
08:40   elmo    sorry, typing and talking
08:41   elmo    I meant.  'ack to frodon, also on the basis of sustained forums and UDSF work'
08:41   sabdfl  agreed on the udsf / docteam needs addressing, i wonder if there will be reps of both at uds?
08:42   Kamion  I remember we went over the UDSF fairly exhaustively a year or so back - might be worth digging out the IRC logs and seeing what's changed
08:42   frodon  other point, the wiki license is not really compliant to collect information from the forum
08:42   LaserJock       sabdfl: I'll be there for doc team
08:42   Kamion  I'm fine with frodon for membership on the basis of sustained forums staff work
08:42   Seveas  frodon, congratulations!
08:43   tseliot Congrats!
08:43   LaserJock       I believe the biggest issue is licensing, wrt to doc team/UDSF
08:43   zakame  congrats frodon
08:43   matid   Congratulations
08:43   frodon  thanks :)
08:43   Seveas  sebastean, you're up next
08:43   sebastean       hello
08:44   superm1 Now, sebastean, joejaxx ahod__  would you mind me jumping ahead of you given how long these are running?  I'm going to be having to leave in about 15-20 min.
08:44   sebastean       ok
08:44   ahod__  You can go ahead of me
08:44   joejaxx sure i think i might have to go next time at the current moment
08:44   superm1 ok
08:44   Seveas  superm1, ok, please go ahead
08:44   superm1 ok thx
08:44   superm1 Hi, My name is Mario Limonciello (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/superm1).  I was present at the last CC meeting.
08:45   superm1 I have been doing some work with the MOTU team the last few weeks with regards to backstep, mythtv, and mythplugins and was looking to apply for membership, and eventually MOTUship.
08:45   superm1 I've put in a big effort in getting the mythtv suite up to the current release version, and had quite a few late nights in #ubuntu-motu straightening out correct format for packaging and such.
08:45   superm1 Last time you guys mentioned to bring along someone, so i wooed Laserjock & imbrandon into tagging along :)
08:45   Seveas  superm1, how long have you been active within the MOTU?
08:46   superm1 well i'd say its been about a month now
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08:46   superm1 i did the packaging for backstep myself, with a few revus
08:46   superm1 since it wasn't in debian
08:47   Seveas  superm1, if MOTU contibutions are your only contributions then we will have to ask you to come back later. Generally we look for at least two months of sustained activity
08:47   Kamion  there's quite a bit on that wiki page - just reading
08:48   superm1 Seveas, i have been maintaining a myth repo actually the last few months
08:48   tomveens        are these rules written?
08:48   superm1 before i started to get into MOTU
08:48   Seveas  ah
08:48   superm1 since around aprilish
08:48   superm1 i just wanted to make this official
08:48   superm1 and start getting things into universe and multiverse properly
08:48   sabdfl  superm1: i'm very excited by the mythtv work, it's an amazing platform but i think one where the quality of packaging is essential
08:48   Seveas  that is great
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08:49   Seveas  LaserJock, imbrandon: can you comment on/cheerlead for superm1?
08:49   LaserJock       sure
=== keescook is looking forward to getting some time to try out superm1's mythtv packages. :)
08:49   LaserJock       I helped superm1 with backstep
08:50   LaserJock       he's doing good work in -motu
08:50   LaserJock       learning packaging, integrating into the team
08:50   LaserJock       there are a few MOTUs looking at mythtv
08:50   LaserJock       so it's good to have somebody else hop on board and put time into it
08:51   superm1 I remember back in breezyish days how myth just worked out of the box without compiling and such.  I am hoping to help keep it that way for edgy, edgy+n
08:51   sabdfl  +1 from me on the back of motu contribution, ati driver beta team, mythtv and a clear picture of what superm1 is working on
08:52   sabdfl  superm1: any chance you can make it to Mountain View, Nov 5-10, to meet with the other multimedia guys who are gathering there?
08:52   superm1 I'd have to see
08:52   superm1 i'd love to
08:53   superm1 have to talk to real life employer and such :)
08:53   sabdfl  ok, see if you can make it - should be a big multimedia buzz
08:54   sabdfl  kamion, elmo?
08:55   Kamion  just reading still
08:55   elmo    ack from me
08:55   Kamion  yeah, this is looking good to me, really glad to have somebody looking after mythtv properly
08:56   Kamion  +1
08:56   superm1 yay! :)
08:56   sabdfl  superm1: have you applied for membership in ubuntumembers in LP?>
08:56   Seveas  congratulations superm1!
08:56   sabdfl  i am trying to approve you there but don't see the request
08:56   Seveas  sebastean, now you're really up next
08:56   matid   Congratulations!
08:56   superm1 Oh no i haven't, i didn't realize i was supposed to
08:56   zakame  rock the MOTU superm1
08:56   superm1 i'll look for it really quick and add myself
08:57   Kamion  superm1: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join
08:57   sebastean       Hello, I'm a member of the LoCo Ubuntu Sweden, and what I do is to check so everything works because I'm the leader, after ozamosi who started the LoCo. We have this website, ubuntu-se.org, with a a forum and a wiki, and I help admin and moderators out, plan for the future and so on, I'm also the contact person for members. I like graphics and I hav design the theme for the forum and some posters...
08:57   Kamion  (from memory)
08:57   sebastean       was it my turn.. ?
08:57   Kamion  sebastean: yep
08:57   superm1 sabdfl, okay i added
08:57   sabdfl  sebastean: how long have you been leading ubuntu-se.org?
08:57   sebastean       good, I did som preporation..
08:57   sebastean       1 month maybe..
08:58   sebastean       not a long time
08:58   ozamosi he's been very active in the loco before that as well
08:58   sebastean       a started to write alot in the forum helpin out..
08:59   sabdfl  sebastean: wiki page? lp url?
08:59   sebastean       Ihttp://ubuntu-se.org/Wiki
08:59   sebastean       what is lp?
08:59   matid   Launchpad
09:00   sabdfl  we usually ask folks to prepare a wiki page for themselves which outlines their contribution and plans
09:00   sebastean       https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohanLundmark
09:00   sabdfl  also, folks usually register in Lp so we can see what bug tracking, translation etc they are contributing
09:00   sebastean       here it is ;)
09:01   sebastean       I've not done any translation yet but I will to get to know all of the parts of the LoCo
09:01   sabdfl  sebastean: ok, i very much like the fact that you are stepping up to a leadership role in your loco team, but I think you need to spend a bit more time learning more about how the ubuntu community organises itself
09:01   sabdfl  for example, LP (translation, bug fixing, etc)
09:02   sabdfl  i think if you make some good contributions there over the course of the next month you would IMO be over the threshold
09:02   sabdfl  sound reasonable?
09:02   sebastean       ok
09:02   sebastean       yeah thats fine
09:03   sabdfl  ok cool - generally very good work, loco teams are very important
09:03   sabdfl  unless elmo or kamion feel differently, let's jump to the next candidate.
09:04   gnomefreak      joejaxx: are we skipping you today?
09:04   Kamion  no, that's fine by me, sounds like he's on the right track but ...
09:04   gnomefreak      you were 2 people ago
09:04   joejaxx no we are not i was wanting my turn
09:04   gnomefreak      k
09:04   sabdfl  joejaxx: roll on
09:04   joejaxx gnomefreak: superm1 wanted to go ahead of me
09:04   joejaxx Good Afternoon Everyone. My name is Joseph Jackson IV (I am also known in the open source world as Joe Jaxx). I am 19, a student, os developer and windows sys/net administrator. I love programming and operating system development. I discovered the Ubuntu Linux Project about a year ago and I have been involved ever since. I am a strong advocate for Ubuntu because of its excellent hardware support and open community. I am mostly involved in pr
09:04   elmo    (fine by me too)
09:05   Kamion  joejaxx: you were cut off at "involved in pr"
09:05   Kamion  (IRC has a line length limit)
09:05   joejaxx whoops
09:06   joejaxx I am mostly involved in providing support to Ubuntu users and I am also involved in the Mubuntu Project. The future that I whould like to see for Ubuntu is having it run on a vast range of computers (older and newer), which is why i created Fluxbuntu. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeJaxx and my Launchpad page is https://launchpad.net/people/joejaxx.
09:06   tomveens        looks great
09:07   Seveas  doesn't look too great me, to be honest. Most of joejaxx' effort is spent on fluxbuntu, which is not part of the ubuntu project. And grep joejaxx #ubuntu.log | wc -l only says 10
09:08   Seveas  other than that, he'sa great guy and fluxbuntu is cool
09:08   joejaxx Seveas: i most give support outside of that channel
09:08   Seveas  I wish it'd be integrated in ubuntu proper
09:08   joejaxx mostly*
09:08   sabdfl  tell us about fluxbuntu?
09:08   gnomefreak      i agree with Seveas
09:08   Seveas  joejaxx, unfortunately there's no way for us to confirm that
09:08   joejaxx Seveas: yeah i know
09:08   joejaxx it is quite alright
09:09   zakame  IRQ: I'm supposed to cheer keescook on his membership, but I have to go now since I've pretty much lost sleep tonight.  I've left my testimony to him, however, so he can present that when its his turn.
09:09   joejaxx sabdfl: basically the idea behind fluxbuntu is it is supposed to be able to run on a vast amonut of computers
09:09   joejaxx sabdfl: it can run on a Pentium2 with 32MB
09:09   joejaxx that is the lowest we have tested it
09:10   Seveas  zakame, noted. Thanks and goodnight!
09:10   joejaxx sabdfl: it allows people who cannot afford to get a Pentium4 to reuse their older computers
09:10   joejaxx sabdfl: for example schools, and other organizations
09:10   LaserJock       I'd also like to note that joejaxx has recently been working with MOTU to get fluxbuntu packages into Universe
09:11   zakame  Seveas: merci, good night all! :D
09:11   juliux  joejaxx, why should they use fluxbuntu instead of xubuntu?
09:12   joejaxx juliux: xubuntu is lightweight in a since
09:12   gnomefreak      LaserJock: joejaxx is there a way to get a fluxbuntu-desktop package instead of say seperate packages?
09:12   joejaxx juliux: but with fluxbuntu it is lighter runs on more computers it also has a strict diet of lightwight applications
09:12   juliux  joejaxx, thxs
09:12   joejaxx juliux: you are most welcome
09:12   LaserJock       gnomefreak: of course
09:13   joejaxx gnomefreak: yes
09:13   juliux  joejaxx, i will test it if i found some old hardware at home;)
09:13   gnomefreak      :)
09:13   joejaxx juliux: ;)
09:14   sabdfl  joejaxx: i very much support your goals with fluxbuntu, +1 from me on the basis of commitment to join the MOTU team and get that into ubuntu through the MOTU
09:15   sabdfl  joejaxx: any particular changes, other than selection of apps and window manager?
09:15   joejaxx sabdfl: well customization of fluxbox for the user
09:15   joejaxx sabdfl: fluxbox can be a pain to setup
09:15   sabdfl  and you make it Just Work?
09:15   joejaxx also the menu updating works which is great
09:16   joejaxx sabdfl: we configure everything with fluxbox for the end user
09:16   joejaxx right now we are releasing developmental releases so we are still adding things
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09:16   sabdfl  does the user have to make any decisions, or is it a standard, good-by-default config?
09:16   joejaxx sabdfl: it is good by default
09:16   joejaxx sabdfl: some of the users are advance fluxbox users so they change things on there own though
09:17   sabdfl  right
09:17   joejaxx sabdfl: we are also developing somthing called the Dashboard
09:17   sabdfl  elmo, kamion?
=== gnomefreak would maybe change the livecd boot up screen to use the fluxbuntu logo instead of ubuntu (just out of maybe a confused user)
09:17   joejaxx which is like a common control panel to configure fluxbuntu
09:17   joejaxx gnomefreak: well the thing with that is
09:18   joejaxx i cannot set vga=785
09:18   joejaxx so when i install the custom usplash
09:18   joejaxx it comes up black on the livecd
09:18   joejaxx but works on the hdd install
09:18   Kamion  you shouldn't have to - usplash uses svgalib, not the vesa framebuffer
09:18   elmo    ack - but with the same basis of commitment to better integration with ubuntu as a whole
09:18   joejaxx so i left the usplash
09:18   Kamion  at least in edgy
09:19   joejaxx Kamion: yes we are currently using dapper until edgy is finalized
09:19   sabdfl  we *love* the new u-splash, it showed up for me on my laptop for the first time today
09:19   Kamion  joejaxx: how much effort are you putting into mubuntu vs. fluxbuntu?
09:19   joejaxx Kamion: well with mubuntu
09:19   Kamion  incidentally that's a really confusing name - we'd been talking about mubuntu as an embedded distro, and multimedia is just about the other end of the spectrum
09:20   Kamion  (mu as in the Greek micro)
09:20   joejaxx i am helping MMA create the base system
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09:20   joejaxx and also with the mubutnu-* meta package once we get the paackage list finalized for each
09:21   _MMA_   Hi all. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mubuntu Post some ideas. ;)
09:21   joejaxx i am using my knowledge from my fluxbuntu development with the mubuntu
09:22   joejaxx Kamion: the funny thing is i was coming out with a "mubuntu" (multimedia) and i joined the canonical mubuntu project afeter i found out one was being created
09:23   joejaxx so i am helping that project instead
09:23   joejaxx mubuntu that is
09:23   joejaxx the canonical one
09:23   Kamion  ok, just try not to get involved in so many pies that you can't do a good job on all of them ...
09:24   gnomefreak      i would think alot of legal issues would go along with mubuntu
09:24   Kamion  that would be my main concern, since they seem like very different projects
09:24   Kamion  but aside from that, and with the note raised by sabdfl and elmo that we'd like to get your fluxbox work integrated better, +1
09:24   _MMA_   I would love to get with others to pull our ideas together. Right now the plan if for me to go to the UDS Mountain View. I would love to talk with anyone there.
09:24   sabdfl  welcome aboard, joejaxx
09:25   dolson  congrats joejaxx
09:25   matid   Congrats, joejaxx
09:25   joejaxx sabdfl: dolson thanks
09:25   gnomefreak      congrats joejaxx
09:25   Seveas  congratulations!
09:25   joejaxx gnomefreak: thank you
09:25   lophyte congrats joejaxx
09:25   joejaxx Seveas: lophyte :)
09:25   gnomefreak      joejaxx: yw
09:25   joejaxx Seveas: lophyte thanks
09:25   Seveas  Andrew Hodgkinson?
09:25   sabdfl  who's up next?
09:25   ahod__  I'll go.
09:26   ahod__  Hi.  I'm a senior software engineer and have worked for Novell for the past 11 years. For most of that time, my efforts have been focused on developing and supporting the FLAIM database technology.  FLAIM is used in projects such as iFolder, Hula, CASA, and Novell's eDirectory (closed source).
09:26   nalioth w00t joejaxx !
09:26   ahod__  I recently created a native Ubuntu package for FLAIM and would like to see it kept up-to-date in Ubuntu Universe.  My purpose in joining the community is to volunteer to maintain the native Ubuntu package for FLAIM.  More info can be found at my wiki site http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndrewHodgkinson.  My launchpad info can be found at https://launchpad.net/people/ahodgkinson.
09:27   Kamion  it would be great to have somebody actively maintaining flaim, ifolder, et al; Mez packaged libflaim ages ago, and it's in universe, but it hasn't been maintained
09:27   Kamion  do you think you can take on any of the other flaim-using projects you mentioned?
09:27   ahod__  I know.  We (the FLAIM maintainers) have made a lot of changes and improvements since then.
09:27   sabdfl  xflaim in particular looks interesting
09:28   ahod__  I have helped with iFolder on a limited basis, but wouldn't mind doing more.
09:28   ahod__  We just added c# and java bindings to xflaim.
09:28   sabdfl  ahod__: have you spent any time with the MOTU?
09:29   sabdfl  they would be good to help i.t.o. packaging etc, which is quite different to the rpm world as you know
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09:29   whiprush        hi guys
09:29   ahod__  No a lot up to this point.  I have submitted FLAIM and XFLAIM to the REVU site.
09:29   sabdfl  out of curiosity, are the MOTU good about getting back to folks who submit stuff to REVU?
09:29   ahod__  We have .deb packages available for FLAIM and XFLAIM.
09:30   sabdfl  as part of your upstream build and publish process?
09:30   ahod__  sabdfl:  No, they aren't.
09:30   slomo   ahod__: for c# stuff you might want to join the mono team :) more members would be always good, especially someone caring about ifolder,etc
09:30   sabdfl  not good at getting back? or not part of the build process?
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09:30   ahod__  Yes.  We build .deb packages as part of our standard build process.
09:30   sabdfl  ah, ok
09:31   ahod__  Not good at getting back.
09:31   sabdfl  dholbach: can you put REVU and MOTU onto the agenda for UDS Mountain View please? we should straighten that out
09:32   dholbach        sabdfl: Yeah, I'll take care of that.
09:33   LaserJock       heh
09:33   sabdfl  i'm very intrigued and would like to have you involved but normally would have more behind someone before +1 on membership
09:34   sabdfl  i think we need to hook you up with dholbach for some quality motu time, get the packages in, and then +1 on membership and motu simultaneously
09:34   Seveas  sounds sane
09:34   ahod__  ok
09:34   sabdfl  ahod__: do you think your flaim packages are edgy material?
09:34   Kamion  I'd have been inclined to say +1 on the basis that getting knowledgeable upstreams involved is always a good thing, but if it doesn't slow down Andrew's MOTU acceptance, then that's fine too
09:35   Kamion  consider me on the record as +1 for later
09:35   ahod__  They have been well tested.  I think that they should be included in Edgy so that they are available to support iFolder, etc.
09:35   sabdfl  dholbach: could you put ahod__ in touch with a very good motu for now, to get flaim and others into shape for edgy, then follow up with him yourself after the release to see how it's gone?
09:35   Kamion  dholbach or one of the other MOTUs would need to ack a universe freeze exception, but given that flaim has been languishing it sounds a worthwhile one to me
09:35   dholbach        sabdfl: I'm happy to do that
09:36   dholbach        Kamion: yeah, I agree :)
09:36   whiprush        ahod__: I've been waiting for a flaim/ifolder person for a year, I'd like to help also.
09:36   ahod__  whiprush:  That would be great.
09:36   sabdfl  can't do better than whiprush :-)
09:37   sabdfl  ahod__: holler in my direction (mark@ubuntu.com) if there are glitches in getting your latest stuff into edgy, i'll iron out any wrinkles
09:37   sabdfl  then after that i would also +1 membership
09:37   ahod__  ok.  If anyone has more questions, feel free to send me an e-mail (ahodgkinson@novell.com)
09:38   Seveas  ok, matid: you're up next
09:38   matid   Ok
09:38   matid   Hello. My name is Mateusz Drozdzynski (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MateuszDrozdzynski and http://launchpad.net/people/matid). I'm very passionate about OSS, I've been using Linux for about 6 years now and I doubt I could ever turn away from it.
09:38   Seveas  (ahod__ welcome to Ubuntu, I'd love to see you as member in the future)
09:38   matid   I'm an Ubuntu user since Warty and I've been testing the development releases since Hoary. I'm encouraging all of my friends to use Ubuntu and I provide them with free, life-time, round-a-clock support.
09:38   matid   I'm involved in the bug triage as a member of the Bug Squad, Ubuntu Desktop Bugs and Ubuntu QA Team. I'm also willing to help out with the packaging and I'd like to become a MOTU in the future.
09:38   matid   I've joined Telepathy team make sure Telepathy will rock in Edgy+1 by contributing my bug triage abilities together with some coding and packaging.
09:38   matid   Together with Polish Linux Users Group, which I'm a member of, we organized an event promoting the Linux amongst windows users called "Poznaj Linuksa". I'd like to start coordinating out efforts to promote Linux between PLUG and Ubuntu LoCo teams.
09:39   matid   One of my current plans is to create localized Quality Assurance teams to form a bridge between Ubuntu developers and users who can't file bugs in English.
09:39   matid   You can read more on my wiki page: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MateuszDrozdzynski
09:39   matid   I've also brought some fellow BugSquad, Desktop Bugs and QA members: Daniel Holbach (dholbach), Simon Law (sfllaw), Sebastien Bacher (seb128), John Vivirito  (gnomefreak) and Richard Johnson  (nixternal). I hope they can say something positive about me ;)
09:39   matid   Sorry for such a long intro ;)
09:39   Seveas  localized QA ftw!
09:40   gnomefreak      he has done alot of bug work. i have seen his name for a whjile just never knew who he was until 3 days ago
09:40   seb128  matid has been doing some good bug triage work and is playing with telepathy packages which is nice too
09:40   gnomefreak      s/whjile/while
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09:41   dholbach        Yeah, I'm happy with his triage efforts too and am glad he became member of the telepathy team some days ago
09:41   dholbach        ahod__: I sent you a private message - hope that's ok
09:42   sfllaw  I'm very pleased with matid's work.
=== Seveas too
09:42   Seveas  more triagers on the block is a good idea
09:42   Seveas  and he's serious about it
09:43   sabdfl  very nice to see the bug karma there matid
09:43   matid   Seveas: Thanks
09:43   matid   sabdfl: Thanks
09:43   sabdfl  matid: how long have you been active on the bug squad?
09:43   matid   And thanks for all my fellow QA members ;)
09:44   matid   sabdfl: About two months right now
09:44   sabdfl  ok, +1 from me on the back of ongoing bug triage over the course of 2 months
09:46   Seveas  elmo, Kamion ?
09:46   matid   I'm currently spending ab. 1/2 of my free time to contribute to Ubuntu
09:46   matid   And I'm really serious about the localized QA teams
09:46   Kamion  well, I did have to tell Mateusz off a while back for rejecting one of my bugs when he shouldn't, but that happens to a fair few people :)
09:47   Kamion  and that *was* a while backk
09:47   matid   I have many friends who would likely file many bugs but they can't do it since the language barrier
09:47   Kamion  +1 for sustained bugsquad work and helping out with telepathy
09:47   matid   Kamion: Sorry about that :)
09:47   Kamion  it happens :)
09:47   sabdfl  matid: how do we get more people to help out on the LP support tracker? i see you've helped solve someone's issue there too
09:48   Seveas  Kamion, tbh, ubiquity is one of the hardest-to-triage packages ;)
09:48   sabdfl  Kamion: that's because your software has such subtle bugs :-)
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09:48   matid   sabdfl: Hmm...
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09:49   gnomefreak      there are only like 6 support requests open atm
09:49   matid   sabdfl: I think it should be easier to file support request from the Ubuntu itself, we lack an application to do it
09:49   matid   sabdfl: And localizing the support tracker would help a lot too
09:49   matid   sabdfl: I'm still pointing the same issue out, but I think that's crucial to have Launchpad translated.
09:50   sabdfl  the "Get help online..." links should take people more directly there
09:50   Kamion  Seveas: yeah, I've been trying to improve that ... problem with the installer is that you have to live with last release's bugs for a long time
09:50   matid   It should be given a higher priority
09:50   sabdfl  matid: we definitely plan to make the support tracker multilingual, more so than the rest of LP
09:50   sabdfl  flacoste is working on that, chat to him on #launchpad if you're interested and have ideas
09:51   sabdfl  not sure we want to encourage multilingual bug reports though
09:51   sabdfl  :-)
09:51   sabdfl  did elmo ack?
09:51   matid   sabdfl: About this 'Get help online...', I think that's a good idea. It should help the support tracker become a default way of handling support requests
09:51   Seveas  sabdfl, not yet
09:51   matid   sabdfl: We should at least have some teams to help non-English users file the bugs
09:52   Seveas  whilst waiting for elmo should we continue with the next candidate?
09:53   elmo    please carry on, I'm on the phone
09:53   Seveas  ok
09:53   elmo    will catach up ASAP
09:53   Seveas  kristog is up next
09:53   matid   Ok
09:53   kristog hello, i'm Riccardo Setti, i live in Milano (Italy), and i'm a high school student. In my spare time i help Debian and since may
09:53   kristog i'm an official Debian developer (you can find more information about my Debian work
09:53   kristog http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=riccardo+Setti&comaint=yes).
09:53   kristog I joined the Ubuntu community one year ago, in this period i was not really active, i started to do real work for Ubuntu
09:53   kristog when dholbach started the telepathy team.
09:53   kristog My (directly) contributions to Ubuntu are some telepathy packages, (in fact this is a team, i cannot say wich package is "mine" and wich
09:53   kristog not ;) ) we work close with upstream to do our best to provide a good support for it in Ubuntu,
09:53   kristog i joined the galago team and the qa team .
09:53   kristog My future work will be integrate as much as I can telepathy galago and tapioca in Ubuntu (IM, desktop presence, voip framework), start
09:53   kristog maintain some Desktop apps like gnome-power-manager, network-manager, and..who will know this?
09:54   Seveas  dholbach, any comments on the telepathy effort?
09:54   dholbach        kristog ROCKs and was a huge asset in the telepathy team - we talked a year ago about galago packages already and it was great to collaborate with him
09:54   Seveas  wow
09:55   dholbach        he's a nice a guy, friendly, helped other people to do packaging - I'm *very happy* with him
09:55   seb128  kristog does a really good job
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09:56   dholbach        his packaging skills are good, he's good to talk to people (upstream, users, fellow package maintainers), maintains an overview and is easy to work with
09:56   dholbach        http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Telepathy/Modules for his work in telepathy
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09:57   seb128  and he seems to be wanting to help on gnome-power-manager bugs, which is really welcome
09:57   slomo   i can completely agree to daniel here... i already worked with him in Debian before and it was nice to work with him there and in Ubuntu, he has very good packaging knowledge, etc
09:58   Seveas  sabdfl, Kamion ?
09:59   sabdfl  kristog: do you have an ubuntu wiki or LP data to point to?
09:59   dholbach        https://launchpad.net/people/giskard
09:59   kristog sabdfl: LP: https://launchpad.net/people/giskard
09:59   elmo    (ack for matid)
09:59   Seveas  elmo, thanks, matid: welcome!
09:59   gnomefreak      congrats matid
09:59   kristog sabdfl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RiccardoSetti
09:59   matid   Thanks everyone!
10:00   Seveas  (sabdfl: member candidate wikipages are linked from the CC agenda)
=== matid hugs everyone
10:01   sabdfl  ok, +1 for kristog from me on the back of seb128 and dholbach's recommendations
10:01   sabdfl  welcome, matid
10:01   kristog sabdfl: thank you :)
10:01   matid   sabdfl: Thanks
10:01   slomo   also it would probably be really good to have him caring about n-m i guess as nobody does yet and it could really need some work and i would be fine sponsoring his work for main :)
10:01   Kamion  I'm happy with kristog on the basis of recommendations, Debian work, and oh god please somebody look after n-m
10:02   sabdfl  n-m?
10:02   Kamion  network-manager
10:02   Seveas  network-manager
10:02   sabdfl  YES!
10:02   Seveas  ok, so that's +2 from sabdfl ;)
10:02   sabdfl  my rarely-used casting vote :-)
10:02   sabdfl  elmo?
10:02   kristog ahhaha
10:03   elmo    ack
10:03   kristog thank you elmo
10:03   Seveas  welcome aboard kristog !
10:03   kristog thank you everyone :)
10:03   Seveas  now make n-m rock kthxbye ;)
10:03   slomo   congrats kristog :)
10:03   sabdfl  kristog: have you applied to join the ubuntumembers team in LP?
10:03   Seveas  next up is keescook
10:03   dholbach        congratulations kristog - great to have you here!
10:03   keescook        Hello!  I'm Kees Cook (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeesCook and https://launchpad.net/people/keescook).  I've been using Ubuntu since Hoary (and switched most of the OSDL infrastructure to it from Redhat).  I've gotten involved in bug triage and packaging, and I now work with pitti on the Ubuntu Security Team, where I have been helping release security updates since August (sendmail, krb5, clamav, coreutils, gdb, and more on the way).  I want to see U
10:03   keescook        I asked pitti, zakame, and crimsun to say good things about me.  If I smile real nice, I'm hoping other will too.  :)
10:03   keescook        Here's what zakame asked me to pass on before he left:
10:03   keescook        <zakame> "I've been observing Kees' work on resolving bugs in Malone, and I believe he's doing great work in making Ubuntu better; furthermore, I have worked with him as my mentor closely during my stint on the Google Summer of Code to great success: I have learned a lot of new stuff thanks to him and his project Sendpage, and hence I totally believe that he will be a valuable Ubuntu member."
10:03   seb128  dholbach: congrat
10:03   seb128  ups
10:03   seb128  kristog: congrat
10:04   kristog sabdfl: no, ATM i was busy with telepathy and ohters thig :)
10:04   kristog seb128: thank you :)
10:04   matid   seb128: ;)
10:04   dholbach        seb128: thanks for congratulating me for another good desktop / telepathy members - congrats to you too! ;-)
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10:04   sabdfl  kristog: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join then ping me
10:04   pitti   I have worked with kees for a fair while now; he's marvellous at all kinds of security related stuff, a quick learner wrt. packaging issues, dived into bug triaging as well as new packaging, etc.
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10:04   pitti   kristog: welcome!
10:05   sabdfl  keescook: methinks we need package upload karma to do you justice
10:05   sabdfl  (and all the other dev's)
10:05   Seveas  pitti, so you're *finally* no longer almost on your own wrt security?
10:05   keescook        sabdfl: yeah.  :)
10:05   Seveas  sabdfl, indeed
10:05   pitti   Seveas: indeed, and I can't tell you how grateful I am :)
10:05   pitti   sabdfl: yeah, I want upload karma for langpacks :)
10:05   sabdfl  how many USN's can we attribute to keescook to date?
10:06   sabdfl  pitti: ...with a pony, no doubt
10:06   pitti   one officially released one, and about 5 that are in the works
10:06   dholbach        Although I didn't work too closely with Kees yet, I saw he started triaging bugs in no time, changed wiki pages, etc - he really takes things really seriously. :)
10:06   keescook        2, I think.  krb5, gdb.
10:06   pitti   ah, right, krb5, too; sorry
10:07   keescook        dholbach: got you your QA emblem too.  ;)
10:07   pitti   he's curious to understand everything in the Ubuntu community and has good ideas, too
10:07   dholbach        hehe, yeah right - his artistic skills are marveloous :)
=== zul looks forward to eventually being bugged by keescook :)
10:07   keescook        woohoo someone thinks I can draw!  (the inkscape guys will not agree)
10:08   sabdfl  i know you'll make a substantial contribution very quickly, but for membership we usually look for a couple months contribution
10:08   sabdfl  is it pedantic to hold off a month or so?
10:08   keescook        sabdfl: sure, I kept that in mind.  I was hoping my krb5 (aug) would count.
10:08   keescook        but I'm happy to wait if that's needed.
10:08   elmo    sabdfl: we've waived the requirement in the past for Canonical people
10:08   Seveas  sabdfl, other canonical employees (eg jono) were accepted given that being employed by canonical almost ensures a continued contribution
10:08   elmo    sabdfl: on the assumption that they're contract will guarantee the couple of months of contribution
10:09   elmo    s/they're/their/
10:09   sabdfl  elmo: and this is for distro team folks, i assume?
10:09   sabdfl  as opposed to dodgy suits?
=== pitti thinks it won't be easy to stop keescook now :)
10:09   elmo    sabdfl: distro + community so far, yeah
10:09   Kamion  we generally can't assume that non-distro-team employees will continue to contribute to Ubuntu directly
10:09   sabdfl  ok, +1 from me since I know kees will make a great contribution and is already full time
10:10   Kamion  I'm entirely happy with keescook for membership
10:10   elmo    Kamion: I don't think we've had any non-distro people apply
10:10   Kamion  for all the completely obvious reasons
10:10   elmo    have we?
10:10   sabdfl  sigh
10:10   Seveas  elmo, not that I know of
10:10   Kamion  elmo: Etienne Goyer did, I think? Robert Collins?
10:10   elmo    anyway, ack for me keescook from me too, as a no brainer
10:10   elmo    Kamion: ah, I guess so
10:10   sabdfl  he most definitely has some brains
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10:10   Kamion  I think there've been others
10:10   sabdfl  welcome aboard, kees, are you in the LP queue?
10:10   keescook        yay!  thanks everyone.  :)
10:10   Seveas  kees, welcome aboard!
10:11   sabdfl  got it
10:11   pitti   keescook: \o/ welcome
10:11   keescook        sabdfl: LP ubuntu-members queue?  yup, should be.
10:11   sabdfl  approved
10:11   Seveas  We're at the end of the list, I just want to know whether the council already decided about Rolando Blanco
10:11   sabdfl  is that it? any latecomers?
10:12   nixternal       i will go again, the first time was so much fun ;)
10:12   Kamion  I don't think there's been anything by mail about Rolando, unless I missed it?
10:12   lophyte haha
10:12   lophyte nice, nixternal :P
10:12   Seveas  Kamion, I sent it yesterday
10:12   Kamion  oh yes
10:12   sabdfl  got it
10:12   Kamion  there've been no followups yet I'm afraid
10:13   Seveas  ok, then I'll leave him on the agenda for now. I'd appreciate it to hear a decision at the next meeting
10:13   sabdfl  +1 from me for rolando on the back of the .ve loco team
10:13   Seveas  (or now, thanks sabdfl ;))
10:14   sabdfl  OK!
10:15   sabdfl  well done, and thanks everybody (Seveas for steering, mako, elmo, kamion for listening)
10:15   sabdfl  any other business?
10:15   Seveas  datetime of next meeting
10:15   sabdfl  i've been poor about attendance, and i see some items are pending me on the agenda
10:15   Kamion  just read through the mails, I'm OK with Rolando as well
10:15   Seveas  Kamion, great!
10:16   Seveas  sabdfl, maybe it's better if we speak about that in person at UDS, I forgot to bring it up in Brussels
10:16   sabdfl  have things settled on freenode after the sad death of lilo?
10:16   Seveas  sabdfl, not sure, will ask the freenode staff
10:16   keescook        if only there was SSL on freenode...
10:16   sabdfl  ok, will we have the whole CC at UDS?
10:17   Kamion  assuming I can actually manage to get in touch with the US embassy about that, er, little visa waiver matter
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10:17   sabdfl  Kamion: you and me both :-)
10:17   sabdfl  mako?
=== sivang wonders which event took place in Brussels
10:18   Seveas  EuroOscon
10:18   Kamion  sabdfl: oh, did you see my mail to community-council@ saying that I'd like to retire from the CC and let others have a turn?
10:18   sivang  Seveas: oh :)
10:18   sabdfl  i'll definitely mail mako re sponsorship if he's available and not already on the list
10:18   sabdfl  Kamion: yes, wanted to discuss succession recommendations!
10:19   Seveas  elmo, if you'd be so kind as to vote for/against Rolando Blanco, I can remove him from the agenda
10:19   elmo    Seveas: ack
10:19   sabdfl  Kamion: thank you for an outstanding contribution setting the standard for future CC members
10:19   Seveas  elmo, great, thanks a lot!
10:19   Seveas  Kamion, indeed, thanks a lot!
10:20   Kamion  it's been a fun ride, but my family have been complaining about all the late-night meetings for some time ;-)
10:20   Kamion  if we want to talk about succession at UDS, that could be doable
=== Seveas has to go now - please decide on a datetime for next meeting today, see you all next time
10:21   jenda   Will we still talk a bit about the IRC problem when this is finished?
10:21   jenda   aha, right.
=== robitaille will have to start reserving 4-hour slots for future CC meeting on the Fridge calendar :)
10:22   elmo    hey, I'm stuck at the office without food - this isn't fun for me either :-P
10:23   sabdfl  elmo: indian?
10:23   elmo    sabdfl: they only deliver for you
10:24   sabdfl  i could deliver for you
10:24   juliux  if you are in germany in the next months take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances we are happy if somebody can join us at one of this expos ;)
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10:25   elmo    sabdfl: haha, thanks, but it's OK, I'll just run away home, if we're done here
10:25   sabdfl  we're done. next datetime?
10:25   sabdfl  17th?
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10:26   Kamion  yes - 1200 UTC maybe?
10:26   elmo    works for me
10:26   sharms  I was wondering if anyone knows who made those ubuntu t-shirts printed on ubutnu brown?
10:26   sabdfl  tollef, iirc
10:27   sabdfl  is 12:00 UTC still 13:00 BST then?
10:27   mc44    sabdfl, yes
10:27   mc44    until 29th
10:28   matid   http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=17&year=2006&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
10:28   matid   ;)
10:29   sabdfl  ok see you folks then - i'll update the page
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10:30   Kamion  sabdfl: thanks
10:30   sabdfl  done
10:30   sabdfl  night all!