CC_2006-04-03
11:00 Seveas Kamion, any sign of the rest of the CC yet?
11:00 highvoltage not as far as i'm aware
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11:01 ploum Hello DecIRC and all belgians :-)
11:01 Cassidy hi ploum !
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11:01 DecIRC Hello ploum and everybody.
11:02 bstqc_ostl hello,everyone!I am Victor.
11:02 highvoltage hi Victor.
11:02 lifeless Hi Victor, I'm robert, and I'm a code junkie
11:02 Seveas c'est un ploum - run while you can
11:02 bstqc_ostl hi:highvoltage,Hi,lifeless
11:03 ploum Seveas: hehe ;-)
11:03 nictuku hi all :-)
11:03 bstqc_ostl nice to meet you all :-)
11:03 dholbach hi bstqc_ostl :-)
11:04 nictuku my friends seems to be sleeping. I wonder if I should remove my name from the agenda hehe
11:04 akulah hello!
11:04 akulah all
11:04 bstqc_ostl hi,dholback.I have waiting for this moment for a long time!
11:04 dholbach bstqc_ostl: I know. I just hope the Community Council turns up soon.
11:05 thesaltydog ciao dholbach !
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11:05 lifeless piongs are progressing
11:07 lifeless Kamion: are you trying to reach anyone ?
11:08 imtheface hi all
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11:09 nictuku hi imtheface!
11:09 zakame hi all
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11:09 highvoltage hi zakame
11:10 zakame hello highvoltage
11:10 Seveas (I am at a lecture right now and am the TA - so I may be unresponsive at times)
11:12 lifeless I'm betting they are confused because of TZ change last weekend. Or something.
11:13 nictuku or maybe because traditionally the meetings are on tuesdays
11:16 DanielFaulknor how many people are missing?
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11:19 Kamion shit, sorry, I slept in
11:19 highvoltage shouldn't sabdfl be here? i see he's in -devel.
11:19 lifeless Kamion: you're the only one here so far :{
11:19 Seveaz mornin' Kamion
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11:19 sabdfl sorry all
11:19 Seveas mornin' mark
11:20 highvoltage morning sabdfl :)
11:20 sabdfl morning
11:20 lifeless morning
11:20 zakame hello sabdfl
11:20 ploum 'morning ...
11:21 imtheface afternoon here! :)
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11:21 sabdfl where are we on the agenda?
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11:21 Kamion we aren't
11:21 DecIRC good morning sabdfl
11:21 sabdfl hi kamion, do we have quorum?
11:21 lifeless you have 2 so far
11:21 Kamion sabdfl: you and me so far
11:21 lifeless claire is phoning elmo
11:21 sabdfl elmo's on EST
11:21 bstqc_ostl hello,sabdfl
11:21 Kamion elmo said last time he'd get up if he needed to
11:22 sabdfl he's getting up
11:22 Seveas claire is waking the beast ;)
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11:23 sabdfl morning
11:23 sabdfl Kamion: do you want to put the quorum idea forward as a suggestion?
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11:24 Kamion the TB consider == 50% to be quorum, whereas we require > 50%
11:25 Kamion perhaps we should move into sync with them for smaller issues so that we don't have so many quorum problems
11:25 sabdfl that's fine by me with CC for memebrships, loco, issues that don't involve a change of policy
11:25 sabdfl elmo?
11:26 elmo umm, I'm not thrilled by the idea - I mean, have we actually cancelled more than one meeting because of quorum issues?
11:26 sabdfl not that i'm aware. seveas?
11:26 Seveas no, but the decisions were delayed
11:27 Seveas there always have been 3 out of 4 votes
11:27 elmo I realise the whole last minute phoning to get quorum thing is less than ideal, but OTOH, I think things like membership sometimes benefit from a wider coverage of CC staff
11:27 elmo IMHO
11:27 Seveas one exception: when a few community members got to vote since sabdfl had to leave
11:28 elmo so, err like, -0.5 from me or something
11:28 Seveas Maybe having an extra CC member will help
11:28 Seveas then 3 out of 5 should be around instead of 3 out of 4
11:29 sabdfl agreed
11:29 Kamion we have had to process memberships and wait for a third member to ack them later, a few times
11:29 Kamion I take elmo's point though
11:29 sabdfl we might grow an AsiaPac council member to help with timezones too, right now we cover americas and europe well
11:30 sabdfl will take that under consideration
11:30 Seveas with my sleeping rhythm I cover all timezones ;)
11:30 sabdfl let's hold off on the quorum == 50% thing for now
11:30 sabdfl and get started on today's agenda
11:31 sabdfl highvoltage: you behind the edubuntu loco idea?
11:31 sabdfl want to tell us a bit about it?
11:31 highvoltage sabdfl: yes
11:31 highvoltage thank you
11:31 highvoltage Hi Ubuntu Community Council
11:31 highvoltage I don't expect a final answer on this now, but I would certainly appreciate your input on this.
11:31 highvoltage We have received a request from an Italian community member (Andrea Veri) to start an Edubuntu loco team.
11:32 highvoltage He's already quite active, especially with regards to Edubuntu Advocacy in his surrounding areas, speaking to different schools about the benefits of Edubuntu in schools.
11:32 highvoltage We don't currently have Edubuntu loco teams, and we're wondering if it's wise to split loco teams into Edubuntu and Ubuntu loco teams, since Italy already has a loco team.
11:32 highvoltage There are good reasons, imo, ot have a seperate team, and to keep it as one group.
11:32 highvoltage What it comes down to, is, having split groups will mean that theres overlap in goals, and possible duplication of work. On the other side, I can understand why someone would want an Edubuntu specific team, that focusses on schools and their needs specifically.
11:32 highvoltage The best solution for this I could think of, is to have them seperate, but still integrated.
11:32 highvoltage So you might have an Edubuntu loco in your country, but it is still part of the bigger loco team. And perhaps there should be some policy to say that the bigger loco should accept the smaller interest-specific groups into the bigger team.
11:32 highvoltage Those are just the lines I thought along, but we would just like to see what's best for the Edubuntu community. Any thoughts on this from CC?
11:33 Seveas How about an edubuntu subteam in the existing locoteam, just like the edubuntu team is a subteam of Ubuntu ?
11:33 sabdfl the advantage is - folks get to focus on the thing they are passionate about
11:33 sabdfl edubuntu may diverge in future, if it gets sufficient mass and theres a need to do so
11:33 highvoltage yep
11:34 sabdfl the disadvantage is there is an opportunity for unhealthy rivalry
11:34 highvoltage some people are very specific in what they'd like to do with schools, and some people more specifically, have a bigger educational focus
11:34 elmo with the increasing number of derivatives, I worry about scalability problems with entirely separate groups - I'd prefer we try subgroups or other solutions in the first instance until we come up with a clear need/use case for entirely separate groups?
11:34 sabdfl say, for example, two guys in a loco team don't get on, one goes off to start the "edubuntu" loco team, but in reality it's just an excuse to demarcate turf
11:35 sabdfl we already do have multiple overlapping loco teams, like country teams and city teams
11:35 sabdfl so i don't actually have a problem with this at all
11:35 sabdfl unless its abused to fuel factionism
11:35 highvoltage perhaps there should be some kind of policy for loco teams, that they have to work together with other, more specific loco teams, at least to a degree (and where there's overlap)
11:35 Seveas sabdfl, indeed. If the teams cooperate, any structure will do.
11:37 highvoltage if this is the way to go (having an edubuntu loco), should the edubuntu loco team go through the same approval process as an ubuntu loco team?
11:37 sabdfl how about we say yes, and see what happens? i expect we will have kubuntu loco teams soon too
11:37 sabdfl highvoltage: yes, definitely
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11:37 highvoltage great.
11:38 highvoltage is CC okay that we do this? we can add the Italian loco team to the list for the next CC meeting then?
11:38 sabdfl elmo: w.r.t. use cases, we do have some guys wanting a team focused on edubuntu already
11:38 sabdfl we should have some sort of "principle of least interference"
11:39 sabdfl which suggests that, unless we have a CoC type issue, community members who want to organise in a particular way should get the freedom to try it
11:39 lifeless Ubuntu's Prime Directive ?
11:40 sabdfl unless its because of social problems, in which case we need to climb in and resolve those
11:40 sabdfl (i.e. the forum forking discussion)
11:40 elmo *shrug*
11:40 elmo ok
11:40 Seveas lifeless, ubuntu's prime directive is the CoC
11:41 lifeless Seveas: I was being humourous, sorry.
11:41 Kamion I have the same scalability issues as elmo for the record; Edubuntu does seem to have a good use case for being separate, but I can't see a good use case for Kubuntu in the same way
11:41 highvoltage lifeless: and that counts for edubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu as well
11:41 lifeless Seveas: 'principle of non interference'
11:41 Kamion in that Edubuntu is going out and talking to a very very different set of people
11:41 highvoltage Kamion: i agree with you there.
11:41 Kamion whereas Kubuntu is just "people who like KDE", which is a whole lot more nebulous
11:41 Kamion likewise Xubuntu
11:42 zakame hmm increasing granularity
11:42 sabdfl people do get quite passionate about the whole kde / gnome thing, though :-)
11:42 highvoltage kubuntu, xubuntu and ubuntu are really pretty much the same in terms of users, target market, etc. while edubuntu has some very distinct differences there.
11:42 sabdfl i think people will generally be more energetic if they feel they can associate with the parts of the "ubuntu project" which most closely aligns with their own interests
11:43 Seveas sabdfl, definitely
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11:43 elmo sabdfl: right, but unless the teams cooperate, there's going to be a lot of duplicated/wasted effort
11:43 elmo (but OTOH, I get your non-interference thing, so I'm just saying)
11:43 elmo I mean there's a reason ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu etc. all share the same archive
11:43 highvoltage elmo: couldn't that be fixed on policy level, so that teams know they're not supposed to "compete"?
11:44 sabdfl elmo: how about we make it clear that we are all in this together and specialisation is not the same as competition?
11:44 Seveas sabdfl, sounds like a nice amendment for the CoC
11:44 sabdfl i think having a strong edubuntu team in a city is a big help to the ubuntu loco team, for example
11:44 elmo sure, that'd be good
11:45 sabdfl as long as they don't compete and trashtalk one another
11:45 highvoltage members who do that should be dismissed, imho
11:45 sabdfl i can think of one bad scenario, say, where a school district wants to deploy ubuntu, and is looking for contractors, and members of those teams start competing for the work
11:46 sabdfl talking down ubuntu / edubuntu as a proxy for competing for the funding
11:46 thesaltydog one solution could be to consider edubuntu loco a branch of the ubuntu LoCoTeam..
11:46 sabdfl could equally well happen with kubuntu
11:46 highvoltage sabdfl: an answer to that might be, that they should start another team for commercial work, and that the loco group is for community work. or does that go against how things are currently set up?
11:47 sabdfl ultimately, it's the underlying people and how they feel that matter
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11:47 sabdfl let's deal with those sorts of issues when they arise, and just resolve to say we expect the highest standard of collaboration between all ubuntu loco teams, regardless of their particular focus, whether its regional, or vertical
11:48 sabdfl is there an obvious loco team guidelines page we could amend to that effect?
11:48 highvoltage that sounds good. could almost be copied and pasted in CoC just as you wrote it there :)
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11:48 Seveas sabdfl, LocoTeamRunning perhaps
11:49 Kamion urk, hope we don't have to amend the CoC again. :)
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11:50 highvoltage there's https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LoCoTeamHowto and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LoCoTeams, which might benefit from the ammendment
11:50 Seveas Kamion, in that case: skip 1.0.1 and jump to 1.1 immediately with these amendments
11:50 elmo Kamion: oh, I can fix that
11:50 Kamion I sent a copy to launchpad@ a while ago if you want to fish it out of there
11:51 lifeless Kamion: doh. I forgot there was a 1.0.1, I've still only signed 1.0.
11:51 elmo yeah, I still have it ticked in my launchpad mail folder in case it got lost
11:51 Kamion lifeless: it's just typographical corrections, don't worry about it
11:51 lifeless Kamion: ok.
11:52 Kamion ok, are we done with this agenda point?
11:52 Kamion if so, let's move on to the Belgian locoteam
11:53 ploum Hello :-)
11:53 highvoltage from my side, I'm okay with it. I will ask Andrea to add the edubuntu-loco-it team agenda item to the next CC meeting.
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11:53 ploum (ok belgians, let's go to sing our song !)
11:53 Cassidy hi :)
11:53 Cassidy ploum: the one about bear and frites ?
11:53 DecIRC hi
11:53 Cassidy beer ;)
11:53 Seveas hello belgian team
11:53 JanC hi
11:54 sabdfl hey guys
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11:54 ploum So we are a small country with many differents languages
11:54 ploum But a big team :-)
11:54 ploum We have worked on a Ubuntu-be guideline for quite some weeks : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam
11:55 ploum Then we had a meeting at FOSDEM (with jdub)
11:55 ploum We want to promote Ubuntu locally, not to create yet another forum-wiki-support website
11:56 ploum Our first big goal is a very commercial looking website for the Dapper release and a Dapper party where we will invite the community and the press
11:57 ploum ATM, we have a mailing list with 69 members, and we are speaking a mix of french-dutch-english all the time
11:58 ploum In fact, we also have the secret goal to show that Belgian people can still do thing together, regardless of their language
11:58 ploum (this is a big problem in Belgium)
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11:58 elmo (ploum: btw, it's not relevant to this process, but I saw some (less than constructive) criticism of the Dutch in your ubuntu-be announce post - you might want to get a native speaker to look over any future multi-lingual posts?)
11:59 Kamion (ok, in fact I do need to take my laptop down for disassembly now. I'll still be following along, just a little more slowly
11:59 Kamion )
12:00 ploum elmo: ? I don't remember that
12:00 sabdfl ok, thanks ploum
12:00 JanC elmo: you mean on ubunu-announce ?
12:00 sabdfl anything we can do to help out at this stage?
12:00 ploum sabdfl: yes
12:00 sabdfl go ahead
12:00 ploum In order to work on the website and promotionnal flyer, we want to be sure we can use ubuntu-be.org
12:00 ploum http://ubuntu.carolinux.be/ : the first draft of the website we are working on (content is mostly in french I think)
12:02 Seveas quite empty draft ;)
12:03 ploum Seveas: yes, we have not yet putted the content in the website..
12:03 jsgotangco heh
12:03 sabdfl i've no problem with ubuntu-be.org.
12:03 ploum and we have to translate all
12:03 DecIRC Seveas, it is less empty if you choose "Je parle Franais" in place of "I speak English"
12:03 sabdfl ploum: probably best to be conservative with the number of pages, since everything has to happen three times
12:03 Seveas you can pull dutch translations from ubuntu-nl.org ;)
12:04 ploum sabdfl: that's indeed our goal. (and people don't read much more thant 4 pages anyway)
12:04 sabdfl elmo: what's the process for pointing an ubuntu-xx.org domain at a loco server?
12:04 JanC I will look at the translations in Dutch ;-)
12:04 elmo sabdfl: it's still managed by smurfix
12:04 elmo well the DNS
12:04 elmo the loco servers are done by heno
12:04 sabdfl ok, ploum, ask smurfix to point at your server, and off you go
12:04 elmo err, kind of
12:05 sabdfl anything else, or can we get to the members?
12:05 ploum thanks sabdfl :-)
12:05 DecIRC dears, I'm the technical responsible for the hosting of this site on my dedicated server. So you can either point the A record to the ip of the server of define it as primary dns
12:05 sabdfl DecIRC: chat with smurfix
12:05 ploum sabdfl: thanks for your time.
12:05 sabdfl ok, members, members, members!
12:06 Cassidy thanks for your support guys !
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12:06 dholbach hahaha :)
12:06 lifeless throw a chair!
12:06 DecIRC sabdfl, and others, thanks for ... everything :)
12:06 sabdfl yer welcome
12:06 sabdfl lifeless: you're up
12:06 lifeless hiya
12:06 JanC lifeless: throwing chairs at people is against the CoC ;)
12:06 elmo -2
12:07 lifeless so, I'd like to become a MOTU
12:07 elmo oh wait, is it not time to vote for lifeless yet? ;-)
12:07 lifeless elmo: thanks!
12:07 Simira haha, isn't lifeless a member yet?
12:07 highvoltage JanC: unless it's a chaire made out of cake!
12:07 lifeless I've setup all the wiki pages and documentation the newmembers process requests
12:07 lifeless https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobertCollins
12:08 lifeless and I've been hanging out and helping in #ubuntu-motu from nearly when it started
12:09 ajmitch & he's been quite helpful there too
12:09 lifeless sorry for the lag there, finding my description to paste
12:09 lifeless I work for Canonical coordinating the combination of Bazaar-NG and Launchpad (which we hope will provide a fantastic feedback loop to any community using Bazaar-NG), and am a Quality-Czar - I rove between Bazaar-NG, Launchpad and Ubuntu providing input (and Code!), aiming to make it easier to make high quality creations across all our efforts.
12:09 sivang sabdfl: ah ah ah!
12:09 sabdfl lifeless: do you think your testing stuff will land in the distro, or be more LP-ish?
12:09 lifeless sabdfl: I want to do some work on the deb testing project
12:09 sabdfl ok
12:09 lifeless I think its very under-potential at the moment
12:10 sabdfl can you point to some ubuntu-specific contributions you've made over the past year or two?
12:10 sivang lifeless: referring to automating testing framework by Ian?
12:10 lifeless sivang: yes
12:10 sabdfl (fwiw folks, Robert Collins was is the longest-running Canonical dude)
12:10 sabdfl was is
12:10 sabdfl nice :-)
12:10 lifeless sabdfl: sure. more recently - https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pornview/+bug/2397
12:10 lifeless a patch for pornview
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12:10 elmo ...
12:10 sabdfl can't believe you took that bait :-)
12:10 lifeless :)
12:11 sabdfl ok, +1 from me
12:11 lifeless hey, a chance to get porn in the meeting log ?
12:11 dholbach . o O { based on the pornview patch }
12:11 sivang heh
12:11 jsgotangco my hero!
12:11 sabdfl dholbach: i feel every bug
12:11 dholbach haha :-)
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12:11 Kamion I've got no problem with lifeless obviously, particularly if it gets more people paying attention to autotesting
12:12 sabdfl ok, 2/3
12:12 Kamion he's made plenty of contributions on/off over the years
12:12 elmo well, lifeless was going to be +2 from me, but he loses a point for wasting time on pornview. so +1
12:12 sabdfl 4/3 then :-)
12:12 lifeless thanks guys!
12:13 nictuku congratulations :-)
12:13 sabdfl elmo: don't foist your taste for ascii art on us here
12:13 sabdfl "britney"
12:13 ogra congrats lifeless :)
12:13 sivang congrets lifeless !
12:13 sabdfl nictuku: i think you're up next
12:14 freeflying lifeless: congrats
12:14 nictuku thank you.
12:14 nictuku i'm afraid none of my friends showed up - only MarioMeyer (Meyer) but he seems to be asleep (07:00AM here), but i'll try it anyway ;-).
12:14 nictuku I'm Yves Junqueira, a 24 years old Python hacker. I live in Braslia, Brazil, and work a sysadmin and python developer in a Federal Government Ministry, although being graduated in International Relations. I've founded #ubuntu-br in circa december/2004 and I code and package some cool software: nwu - Network Wide Updates - and python-sysinfo. Nwu is based on a spec by mvo. Since january/2005 I've been dedicating many daily hours of free tim
12:14 nictuku e to the project so we can have a tool similar to RedHat's RHN and Microsoft's SUS, but GPL. I administer a few dozen servers and I know how helpful a software that handles packages installation and upgrades automatically could be. With the help of MarioMeyer, a good friend, I'm also working on packaging nwu and the required python-sysinfo and they are both in revu. The history of changes is linked in the profile. These have been months of t
12:14 nictuku ruly hard work and lots of love for Ubuntu :-).Besides wanting to work even harder on nwu - specially making a cool PyGTK interface -, I want to keep helping the Ubuntu-BR LoCoTeam any way I can, either contributing to the planet or helping users on the IRC channel. If I'm honored with the Ubuntu Member status, though, my voice will be lowder I'll be able to spread even more ubuntu love (and installations) to the government agencies, in which
12:14 nictuku Ubuntu already has a great market share. Thanks :-)
12:15 sabdfl wow, that's a great contribution!
12:15 sabdfl what do you think of the revu process?
12:16 sabdfl how could we make it better?
12:16 nictuku thank you. I think it's great already, although maybe if non-motu could also write unofficial reviewes, that would be great.
12:17 sabdfl we are keen to extend revu to main as well, in dapper+1 timeframe
12:17 nictuku I really would like to become a MOTU sometime, by the way.
12:17 dholbach nictuku: that's great to hear.
12:17 nictuku dholbach, thanks
12:18 dholbach i see, you're hanging around in #ubuntu-motu already. :-)
12:18 ogra what will python-sysinfo gain us over hal and its hardware data ? is there added value a later hwdb client ycould use ?
12:18 sivang sabdfl: for every package or just new packages ?
12:19 nictuku dholbach, yes, despite in my time zone and the time I have to be on IRC doesn't match with most european members :-(
12:19 sabdfl ok +1 for Yves from me, based on sustained work on nwu at https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu/timeline?daysback=180
12:19 sabdfl sivang: every package
12:19 sabdfl to make community contributions to main smoother
12:19 sabdfl but ore on that another time
12:20 Seveas sabdfl, cool
12:20 sabdfl will be, i think :-)
12:20 nictuku hal wouldn't provide all data we need. It's abstraction for the packaging system, not only for hardware.
12:20 sivang sabdfl: nice
12:20 Kamion +1 on nictuku based on plenty of nwu work etc. and a good thoughtful wiki page
12:20 Seveas nictuku, there are many ubuntu-br members who already applied for membership. Why did you wait so long?
12:20 ogra nictuku, so could hwdb benefit from it ?
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12:21 nictuku Seveas, I really didn't know if my contributions was relevant.. I don't do much translation and bug report (low karma on LP, you see..)
12:21 ogra (it needs more data than hal offers actually, i'd love to have one unique HW info backend :) )
12:22 nictuku ogra, it's more like the opposite. python-sysinfo is dumb, it's more like a parser.
12:22 ogra ah
12:22 nictuku but it does aggregates a lot of information from different sources
12:22 elmo ack
12:22 sabdfl ok! welcome aboard
12:22 nictuku currently it uses lshw to collect hardware info, for example.
12:22 nictuku :-)
12:22 Seveas nictuku, congratz!
12:22 sladen the karma system could benefit on 'external plugins' (eg. mailing posts to lists.ubuntu.com, or posts on ubuntoforums.org)
12:22 sabdfl approved in lp
12:23 nictuku you guys have no idea how happy I am. Thank you very much!
12:23 sabdfl sladen: +1
12:23 ogra ah :) cool
12:23 ogra i'll look at it once the package is in :)
12:23 sabdfl would be very useful to get mailman and forums into the karma infrastructure
12:23 sabdfl we'll get uploads, reviews etc in due course too
12:23 ogra nictuku, congrats btw :)
12:23 Mithrandir sabdfl: trivial to do for mailman, at least.
12:23 Seveas eyequeue seems to be missing
12:23 dholbach congratulations nictuku
12:24 nictuku even then my karma would still be low, as I'm basically a "upstream coder".
12:24 elmo yes, but not by integrating into mailman
12:24 sabdfl eyequeue's not around
12:24 Seveas imtheface is
12:24 elmo you'd do it like ud-echelon, by subscribing to the lists
12:24 Mithrandir as long as you have a way to guesstimate from poster to launchpad id.
12:24 nictuku Seveas, ogra, dholbacht hank you :-)
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12:24 Mithrandir elmo: oh, why?
12:24 elmo Mithrandir: because I don't want lists.u.c tied to LP
12:24 sabdfl Mithrandir: email, mostly
12:24 elmo and more relevantly because there's no need to
12:24 sabdfl ud-echelon?
12:24 Mithrandir elmo: well, that's a possibility, too.
12:25 elmo sabdfl: debian's userdir-ldap has an echelon system that keeps track of "last seen" for Debian developers by subscribing to Debian lists and matching From line's to DDs and checking signatures
12:25 Mithrandir elmo: I was thinking generating a state file which lp grabbed daily or something.
12:25 sabdfl elmo: we do want to make it easy to create a mailing list for an LP team
12:25 sabdfl ah, right
12:25 nictuku sabdfl, thank you for being supportive about my small contributions :-)
12:25 sabdfl nice name :-)
12:25 Seveas can we move on to imtheface ?
12:26 elmo sorry, yes, this isn't CC-relevant
12:26 Seveas ok, imtheface please give us your 3-liner
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12:26 imtheface born as andy apdhani in jakarta, indonesia *and still there*. i'm bachelor in economics, as well as a huge fan of Free Software and also a dreamer! :)
12:26 imtheface wiki: [ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/imtheface ] - lp: [ https://launchpad.net/people/imtheface ] - in ubuntu mostly i contribute on translation, and provide support for local user on indonesian milist and forum.
12:26 imtheface in future i would like to help on documentation especially by making it avalaible in local language. last is to translate more apps & doc into indonesian.
12:26 imtheface okay done
12:27 jsgotangco its nice to see a fellow south east asian active :)
12:27 imtheface thx u!
12:28 sabdfl great translation work, andy
12:29 imtheface savdfl: still a lot more to translate :)
12:29 jsgotangco have you worked with Belutz?
12:29 jsgotangco (Andi Darmawan)
12:29 sabdfl one string at a time, we will shortly add a way to prioritise the different templates in dapper
12:29 imtheface yes ... mainly we talk in milist
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12:30 sabdfl ok, +1 from me for imtheface on the basis of lots of translation suggestions
12:31 imtheface sabdfl: kewl
12:31 elmo ack from me too
12:32 sabdfl Kamion, do you have a keyboard at this point?
12:32 Kamion yeah, imtheface +1, plenty of translation work and apparently localised documentation too although I can't read it :)
12:32 sabdfl ok, welcome aboard andy!
12:32 nictuku imtheface, congrats!!
12:32 imtheface Kamion: put it on lp then! :)
12:32 imtheface thx u all
12:33 sabdfl imtheface: did you request to join ubuntumembers in LP?
12:33 imtheface sabdfl: no yet!
12:33 sabdfl could you do that and ping me quickly, please?
12:33 jsgotangco imtheface: welcome
12:34 imtheface jsgotangco: thx u again
12:34 sabdfl we should have an efficient way to mail "all the people waiting to join ubuntumembers"
12:34 sabdfl note to self
12:35 sabdfl ok, david symons
12:35 bimberi hi all - i'll try a single paste...
=== bimberi is David Symons - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DavidSymons
12:35 bimberi I'm an software-engineer/IT-manager from Canberra Australia. Ubuntu user since November 2004. I've been helping people regularly on IRC (initially #ubuntu, later #kubuntu and #edubuntu also) since June 2005 averaging a couple of hours per day.
12:35 bimberi Other contributions: ubotu factoid editing, wikipage editing, laptop testing, testing for developers who've sought volunteers, bug reporting, spurious webpage reporting, active in the Australian LocoTeam and successfully submitting a recipe for the Official Ubuntu Book.
12:35 bimberi I see availability of local support as important to IT managers considering the Ubuntu alternative - so I'm lobbying the company I contract through to become an Ubuntu Support Provider. Other plans are to get into bug triage (an area of great need I perceive), participate in Ubuntu marketing/advocacy fora, and continue the above. Cheers!
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12:36 Seveas \o/ from me for #ubuntu support - not the most active person but smart and doing good contributions
12:36 sabdfl bimberi: can you comment on the current state of #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #edubuntu?
12:36 bimberi Seveas: thanks
12:37 Seveas sabdfl, (on a reated node: bans in several channels are now tracked, see http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/bantracker )
12:37 sabdfl Seveas: that's excellent - thanks!
12:37 sabdfl link's busted though
12:37 Seveas ehrm.. s/bantracker/bans.cgi/
12:38 nictuku the link in the main page to the ban tracker is borked too
12:38 bimberi sabdfl: #ubuntu is, of course, so busy - frantic at times. It works very well IMO. #kubuntu and #edubuntu are quieter
12:38 ogra Seveas, oh, a keylogger to get you our LP passwords ? *G*
12:39 Seveas ogra, lp_auth code can be viewed online
12:39 ogra yes, #edubuntu gets very specific questions :)
12:39 Seveas http://bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl/lp_auth.py
12:39 ogra Seveas, i wasnt serious :)
12:40 Seveas ogra, I am - I know this question will come up sooner or later
12:40 bimberi sabdfl: the op coverage in #ubuntu has improved in recent times with the recent additions
12:40 Seveas bimberi, do you think it's good enough ?
12:41 bimberi Seveas: yes i do :)
12:41 sabdfl bimberi: what's your biggest "wishlist" item for ubuntu?
12:42 bimberi sabdfl: to see it break though the mind-barriers of IT Managers as a windows replacement
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12:42 sabdfl and any suggestions as to the top things we need to do to make that happen?
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12:44 bimberi sabdfl: marketing to existing IT Service providers to identify the existing FOSS-capable resources in their midst and foster them into a team capable of providing an excellent service
12:45 sabdfl sounds good, yes
12:45 sabdfl +1 for bimberi from me, on the back of sustained contributions to support in #ubuntu
12:45 sabdfl bimberi: have you seen the LP support tracker?
12:45 bimberi sabdfl: from my point of view ubuntu has made leaps and bounds with addressing little things that annoyed people FOSS - such as copy and paste between apps. Continuing to do that to do...
12:46 bimberi sabdfl: no
12:47 dholbach bimberi: http://launchpad.net/support
12:47 sabdfl it's in very early stages, but will become the main channel for tracking support requests
12:47 sabdfl links into the bugtracker where needed etc
12:47 bimberi Continuing to focus on those little things too stop people dismissing it quickly (as used to occur when I demonstrated other distros)
12:47 sabdfl fyi
12:47 sabdfl kamion, elmo?
12:47 Kamion bimberi +1 for #ubuntu work and Australian team work
12:47 elmo ack
12:48 bimberi sabdfl: ah, yes thankyou :)
12:48 bimberi thankyou all :-))
12:48 Kamion bimberi: little things> definitely yeah - there's just so many of them :-)
12:49 bimberi Kamion: haha - and Launchpad makes it so easy to report them :-)
12:49 sabdfl ok, updated in LP
12:50 Kamion ok, any other business?
12:50 bimberi sabdfl: cheers :)
12:50 Seveas yes
12:50 sabdfl when shall we n meet again?
12:50 Seveas bstqc_ostl, aka victor39 is around today
12:50 bstqc_ostl Hello,everyone.I am Victor.My irc name is bstqc_ostl.
12:50 bstqc_ostl my wiki page is:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Victor39
12:50 Kamion ah, ok, one more
12:50 bstqc_ostl I am a software testing engineer in Beijing Software Testing Center.Beijing Software Testing Center is a professional third-part company .
12:51 bstqc_ostl I and my colleagues have done an all-sided testing on ubuntu-5.04 and dapper flight2.Our testing includes functionality testing,setup testing,compatibility testing and performance testing.I filed all the bug fond into bugzilla and malone.And I have published our testing report to community.
12:51 sabdfl hi victor!
12:51 bstqc_ostl I have tested for flight2 on dell latitude d600.And I am the contact of dell latitude d600 laptop testing in LaptopTestingTeam. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellLatitudeD600
12:51 bstqc_ostl https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/
12:51 bstqc_ostl hi,sabdfl
12:51 bstqc_ostl In January and February,2006,we asist Canonical to visit Beijing as a part of Ubuntu Asia Business Tour.
12:51 bstqc_ostl Now we are testing dapper for the release in June.
12:51 bstqc_ostl Thanks!
12:51 sabdfl +1 from me for victor on the basis of excellent help on ABT and ongoing testing feedback and support
12:52 elmo sabdfl: you just +1'ed him 'cos he has a photo of you on his wikipage, didn't you
12:52 Seveas I've been talking to victor before and \o/ from for his enthousiasm
12:52 jsgotangco haha
12:52 bstqc_ostl thank you,sabdfl.
12:52 sabdfl elmo: you got it in one
=== Kamion needs to actually start looking over those testing reports
12:52 sabdfl elmo: this of course is one advantage from not running away when people point cameras at one
12:52 dholbach yeah, I was amazed by the work he did and he and I will sit together for integrating the OSTL test plans in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
12:52 Kamion it will get easier once they're distilled into bug reports in malone
12:53 jsgotangco yeah the last test was with a dapper milestone though that i got to host
12:53 dholbach Kamion: the last bunch of defect reports were filed into malone/bugzilla
12:53 Kamion I've got no problem with Victor though, sustained lab testing is excellent and sorely needed
12:53 Kamion dholbach: ah, good
12:54 elmo yeah, ack from me too
12:54 Seveas bstqc_ostl, congratz !
12:54 sabdfl kamion, that a +1?
12:54 Kamion sabdfl: yes
12:54 bstqc_ostl thanks, dholbach.thanks,all!
12:54 sabdfl ok, welcome aboart victor
12:55 freeflying bstqc_ostl: congrats
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12:55 bstqc_ostl sabdfl:cheers!
12:55 dholbach that's excellent news, bstqc_ostl :-)
12:55 sabdfl very welcome indeed
12:55 sabdfl ok, when do we want to meet again?
12:56 bstqc_ostl dholbach: :)
12:56 bstqc_ostl can I get a mail address named bstqc_ostl@ubuntu.com?Because we are a team working for ubuntu.Besides me,there are other members in our open source testing lab.I am only a representative.
12:56 nictuku congrats bstqc_ostl :-)
12:56 Seveas sabdfl, in 2 weeks, preferably on a different time
12:56 sabdfl april 17 is easter monday
12:56 Seveas (I'm actually giving a class now)
12:56 bstqc_ostl ths,nicuku!
12:56 sabdfl bstqc_ostl: i think you automatically get your LP preferred email @ubuntu.com
12:57 sabdfl for some value of automatic, after elmo reviews it
12:57 ogra why is the CC meeting on a monday anyway ?
12:57 Simira I knew something was wrong! It's monday today
12:57 jsgotangco yeah
12:57 Seveas ogra, to fit some peoples schedule
12:57 ogra i thought that was an exception
12:57 Simira sabdfl: who not the 18th?
12:57 jsgotangco i blinked twice when i saw activity
12:57 bstqc_ostl sabdfl:I see.
12:57 sabdfl i'm on the road to Rhodes tomorrow
12:57 Seveas proposal: april 18, 22:00 UTC?
12:57 sabdfl i could do the 18th
12:58 Kamion I'm on holiday on the 18th
12:58 sabdfl would prefer a little earlier, since DST kicked in
12:58 ogra ++
12:58 ogra 20:00 UTC ?
12:58 sabdfl 21:00 is 22:00 local in the UK
12:58 Seveas +1 on 21:00
12:58 sabdfl elmo? mako should be able to make either
=== Kamion won't make it; if both elmo and mako can though, and you don't mind me excusing myself, no objection
12:59 sabdfl Kamion: np, enjoy the holiday
12:59 elmo I can make that
12:59 sabdfl ok, 21:00 UTC it is
12:59 Kamion it's my stepson's birthday, I missed it last year due to UDU so I'm not missing it this year ;-)
01:00 Seveas ok, see you all in 2 weeks!
01:00 jsgotangco nice meeting
01:00 Seveas I'll poke robitaille to put the meeting on the fridge
01:00 sabdfl updated the agenda
01:01 sabdfl ok, thanks everybody
01:01 sabdfl sorry for waking you up elmo!MeetingLogs/CC_2006-04-03 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:22:26 by localhost)