CC_2006-05-02
10:58 Meyer Seveas, time to start?
10:58 Meyer ping'd everyone?
10:58 Kamion (here)
10:58 Meyer :)
10:58 Bluekuja hi kamion
10:58 Bluekuja :)
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=== Meyer is Mario Meyer
11:00 sfllaw Hi everybody!
11:00 Bluekuja hi sfllaw
11:00 Surak Hello
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11:00 elmo I'm here too - mako said he was on his way home, but should be back RSN (if he isn't already)
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11:00 Gloubiboulga hi all
11:00 Tonio_ hi everyone
=== nalioth is Marek Spruell
11:01 mdke evening everyone.
=== Surak is Alexandre Otto Strube
11:01 Bluekuja ciao matt
=== Ju is Julien Rottenberg
=== azeem is Michael Banck
=== Lure is Luka Renko
=== ogra is Oliver Grawert
=== sfllaw is Simon Law.
=== iegary is Gary Coady
11:01 BlueT_ hi everybody
=== cbx33 is Pete Savage
11:01 Bluekuja hey BlueT_
=== bimberi is David Symons
=== Toadstool is Jrmie Corbier
=== dsas is Dean Sas
11:02 BlueT_ Bluekuja: yo :D
=== Seveas is Dennis "Evil Bastard" Kaarsemaker
=== licio is Licio Fernando
=== dholbach is Daniel Holbach
=== Gloubiboulga is Gauvain Pocentek
=== mvo michael vogt
11:03 Meyer lol nice alias, Seveas
=== simira is Karianne Grnningster
=== ogra fails to see the evil part in Seveas
=== mdke points
11:03 Seveas ogra, heh, so much you don't know
=== LaserJock is Jordan (Mr. Science) Mantha
11:03 ogra mdke, oh, right
11:03 ogra Seveas, i hope i can find out in paris ;)
11:03 Seveas me too
=== ompaul is Paul O'Malley
=== Tonio_ is anthony mercatante
=== gnomefreak is John Vivirito
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11:04 Seveas gnomefreak, do you have a sec for a quick PM?
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11:04 gnomefreak yes sir
=== lucas is Lucas Nussbaum
=== Bluekuja is Andrea Veri
11:05 mdke elmo: do you have a few moments before we start?
11:05 elmo sabdfl sends his apologies, so once mako turns up we can get started
=== BlueT_ is Matthew Lien
11:05 elmo mdke: I guess
11:05 elmo mdke: (not in here tho, pls)
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11:05 elmo unless it's CC related, of course
11:05 mdke elmo: no. query
11:06 filhocf is Claudio Filho (and present)
=== ogra would like to point out that the edubuntu council will hold its first meeting tomorrow, we'll also approve members as the CC will, so if you are involved in edubuntu, please apply there to take the load off the CC (membership is the same as approved by CC)
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11:07 Seveas @schedule
11:07 Ubugtu schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone
=== Yann3 is Yann Hamon
11:07 Seveas @schedule amsterdam
11:07 Ubugtu Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: Current meeting: Community Council | 03 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 04 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 22:00: Technical Board | 10 May 14:00: Edubuntu
11:07 Meyer ogra, actualy can i pvt u for a sec?
11:07 ogra Meyer, sure
11:07 Seveas "Edubuntu" also being "edubuntu council"?
11:08 azeem ogra: do you approve members parallel or serial to the CC?
11:08 Bluekuja Seveas: yes
11:08 ogra Seveas, yes, we decided that every first meeting in a month is an EC meeting
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11:08 Seveas cool, maybe that should be made more clear on the fridge?
11:08 mako apolgies, got held up on the subway
11:08 mako i'm here now
11:08 ogra azeem, edubuntu membership includes ubuntu membership and vice versa
11:08 Seveas welcome mako
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11:09 azeem ok
11:09 Seveas we can start!
11:09 Bluekuja hi mako
11:09 azeem el mako
11:09 bknec_ heh
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11:09 cbx33 hi mako
11:09 ogra azeem, its just to take the load off here a bit
11:09 simira hi mako, hi seb128
11:10 seb128 Hi simira
11:10 mdke awesome turnout to the meeting this evening.
11:10 simira mdke: we're getting there ;)
11:10 Seveas mako, care to kick off the agenda?
11:10 mako sure
11:10 simira it's mostly new members proposals today?
11:10 mako i'm catching up now
11:10 mako and thawing out my fingers
11:11 Seveas we haven't started yet
11:11 mako give me one second
11:11 mako yes, i know ;P
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11:12 BlueT_ simira: i've been waiting fr it for a month :3
11:12 BlueT_ s/fr/for/
11:12 mako alright
11:12 mako agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
11:12 mako first up is Developer/Member governance processes
11:13 mdke mdz: are you around to discuss this too?
11:13 mako so you brought up a few issues here
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11:14 mako do you mind if i break it down
11:14 mdke course not :)
11:14 mako one issues seems to be that launchpad information is out of date
11:14 mako there was a list i was maintaining by hand
11:14 mako which i still have
11:15 mako of people who had signed the CoC but they still need to go through the new process in LP
11:15 mako AFAIK, there has been no systematic attempt at doing this
11:15 mako there should be
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11:15 mako folks in core-dev should be in ubuntu-members
11:15 mdke before joining core-dev?
11:16 mako well, i think that the group is a subgroup of members so they are implicitly members
11:16 mako is that right?
11:16 Kamion there was a systematic attempt to make sure at least core uploaders had signed the CoC at the time of the switch to Soyuz, because it was a technical requirement there IIRC
11:16 elmo mako: I think there should be
11:16 elmo s/there/it/
11:16 elmo checking
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11:16 mako Kamion: right, i guess i did it before then
11:16 mako i noticed that i was not a member except implicitly through the CC IIRC
11:16 elmo hmm, it's not
11:17 mdke if that's the case (that core-dev is a subgroup of membership), it means the TB is approving them for membership as well as upload rights.
11:17 elmo I think ubuntu-core-dev should be a member of ubuntu-members
11:17 elmo but that'd require the TB to not jump our gun
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11:18 mdke which in turn would slow down the process of getting upload rights, for example for employees
11:18 mako right
11:18 mdke unless they were automatically members
11:18 mdke that might make sense
11:19 Kamion the TB conducts a reasonably detailed interview with each core-dev candidate
11:19 mako right
11:19 Kamion personally I could probably see my way clear to considering that sufficient to pass the bar for membership
11:19 mako it's not exactly easy to get added to core-dev
11:19 elmo core-dev yes
11:19 Kamion ubuntu-dev would be a slightly different matter; the bar there is lower
11:19 elmo -dev is a little different
11:19 elmo and both ought to be members of ubuntu-members
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11:20 Kamion yeah
11:20 mako ok
11:20 mako so there's at least three issues here
11:21 mako (a) how is the stated policy out of sync with LP and how do we fix it (which one do we fix)?
11:21 mako (b) how should the policy/LP be changed or improved to make this work the way we think it should?
11:21 mako (c) how do we get people already in the system who were grandfathered or skipped steps in one way or another to go back and check the right boxes
11:22 mako honestly, (b) sounds like a paris dev summit topic
11:23 Seveas (c) is part of (a) if the answer of (a) is that lp is out of sync
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11:23 mdke for a), you'd need to discuss with the TB about the -dev must be members thing
11:23 mako right
11:23 mdke that would be a change in policy, afaics
11:23 mdke although, I don't attend TB meeting much
11:24 Kamion if we wanted to deal with the meeting-delay problem, then the easiest approach might well be to agree some guidelines with the TB to make sure that we're happy that their ubuntu-dev procedure is at least as strong as our membership procedure
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11:25 elmo given we've already delegated membership privs to edubuntu, kubuntu, delegating it indirectly to the TB, doesn't sound like much of a step
11:25 mdke that would be tricky to maintain consistent, IMO
11:25 mdke ah, that's a good point.
11:25 elmo provided, like kamion says, we ask them to step up their barrier to entry to match outs
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11:25 simira sounds sensible
11:25 elmo and I'm still a little concerned about their Q = 2, but that's not a big deal I guess
11:25 mdke nice idea.
11:25 elmo s/outs/ours/
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11:26 mdke are the current requirements for -member status documented on the website?
11:26 mdke i figure they're on the wiki somewhere
11:27 Seveas mdke, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes
11:27 mdke Seveas: "substantial contribution" is as far as it goes, or did I miss a page?
11:28 mdke oh no, there it is, my bad
11:28 Seveas "A person who wants to become a member should be engaged in a sustained level of contribution to the Ubuntu community. This can include coding, writing or documentation, the creation of art-work, music, testing, bug triage and verification, translation, advocacy, leadership of LoCo teams, etc. Contributions should be significant and visible. Anybody who is active in the Ubuntu community is a good
11:28 Seveas candidate for Ubuntu membership."
11:28 ompaul mdke it is repeated here more or less https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto
11:28 mako mdke: substantian and sustained contribution
11:28 mdke yeah, my bad
11:29 Seveas So: who's going to coordinate this with the TB?
11:30 mako well
11:31 mako there is still the issue of what happens with the current core-dev members
11:31 mako who have not been put through the more rigorous process
11:31 mako sorry
11:31 mako the current -dev members
11:31 mdke shouldn't be hard to track em down, they're all quite active
11:31 ajmitch it'd only be inactive ones that may not be on launchpad
11:31 mako i think we could put core-dev into members unless the tb has any reservations about any candidates
11:31 mako which i suspect they do not
11:31 Seveas Most of them would be no-brainers for membership and a few meetings ago it was decided that that could be done outside the meetings
11:32 Seveas (core-dev)
11:32 Kamion I've got no reservations about anyone in -core-dev at the moment
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11:33 Lure Can CC not just group approve all core-dev now?
11:33 Kamion apart from that dodgy "Matt Zimmerman" block
11:33 Kamion er, bloke
11:33 LaserJock hehe
11:33 Kamion Lure: no, people have to opt to join the team themselves, I don't know of a way to conscript people
11:33 Lure Kamion: right
11:33 mdke who is Chris Halls, I don't think I've met him around?
11:33 cbx33 my apologies, I have to dash
11:34 Seveas There are 3 I haven't seen a lot (Thom May, Charles Majola and Chris Halls), but I expect you know them much better than I do
11:34 Kamion mdke: haggai, used to do Kubuntu
11:34 mdke what's his irc nick?
11:34 Kamion and OpenOffice
11:34 filhocf Chris Halls is a DD.
11:34 mdke ah, gotcha
11:34 Kamion Thom May is retired from Ubuntu really, dunno if he cares
11:34 simira mdke: he was in Mataro, at lease
11:34 Kamion Charles is one of the Impi crowd in .za
11:34 simira least*
11:34 ogra Kamion, you mean that opportunistic troublemaker mdz ?
11:34 ogra :)
11:34 Kamion ogra: right
11:34 dholbach He does, I had a conversation with him already.
11:35 Kamion dholbach: who?
11:35 dholbach I'm referring to Thom.
11:35 dholbach He'd like to get involved again, esp. with apache.
11:35 mdke it would definitely be good to chase up those who haven't signed the CoC in there, and ask them to, even if they've signed it by other means
11:35 Kamion dholbach: ah, cool
11:35 ogra dholbach, that'd be so great !
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11:35 mako mdke: if you have a list, i'm happy to spam them
11:36 mdke mako: alright.
11:36 Kamion ok, anything else before we move on?
11:36 Kamion 22:29 < Seveas> So: who's going to coordinate this with the TB?
11:36 Kamion I guess
11:37 mdke mdz expressed an interest, I can summarise the meeting in an email for him, if you like
11:37 mako i think that's good
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11:37 Kamion mdke: that would be good if you're willing, please cc community-council@lists
11:37 mdke i'll cc it to community-council so you can check for accuracy
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11:37 mdke yeah
11:38 Kamion we can follow up if there are further questions, or I can talk with him on the phone, or something
11:38 mako yes
11:38 mako is there any other non-member business?
11:38 mako before we move on to that?
11:38 Meyer yes
11:38 mako Meyer: shoot
11:38 Meyer i'd like to bring something up
11:38 Meyer i think it was mdke who wrote about Quallity Assurance in translations..
11:39 Meyer and it has become a big problem..
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11:39 Meyer i was thinking if there are any plans to improve LP on that matter
11:39 Meyer for instance, we can't know who made a bad translation
11:39 Seveas Meyer: the NL team has taken a drastic approach to it: kick everyone from the team and do all via the mailinglist
11:39 mdke Meyer: there has been a discuss about improving rosetta on the rosetta mailing list. The CC: can't do anything about it
11:39 Kamion I'm not sure that's something any of the CC can answer; I'd suggest bringing it up on launchpad-users@lists if it hasn't been done already
11:39 Meyer so it's hard to take those people out
11:39 Kamion or rosetta-users@
11:39 Seveas Kamion, agreed
11:40 simira true
11:40 mdke Kamion: it's been discussed in depth and carlos and jordi are collecting feature requests. It's difficult to do more.
11:40 simira will it be a Paris issue?
11:40 mdke part of the problem lies with translation groups, I'd suggest continuing the discussion on loco-contacts
11:40 mako right, this sounds like there is some missing functionality in lp
11:40 Meyer ok.. thanks.. i just wanted to know how it was going on
11:40 Kamion simira: Paris is for Ubuntu, not LP, afaik
11:41 Surak Indeed. And there's no "default" glossary to keep translations coherent. Bug 35774
11:41 Ubugtu Malone bug 35774 in rosetta "Some sort of glossary integrated to rosetta" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35774
11:41 simira *sigh* Kamion: LP improvements would support Ubuntu, right? :p
11:41 mdke simira: there are separate conferences for launchpad.
11:41 Kamion simira: sure, but the LP developers won't be there, for the most part
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11:41 Lure With Dapper I started to follow Flight's and daily updates, updating my laptop t
11:41 Lure esting page. As klaptop was unmaintained, I looked into getting kpowersave up-to
11:41 Lure -date (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave), but then got distracted with wireless stuff (network-manager 0.6.x), worked on packaging knetworkmanager (and doing related bug triage on forums).
11:41 Lure sorry
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11:41 Seveas Lure, please wait your turn ;)
11:41 simira mdke, Kamion: yesyes, I know...
11:42 Seveas Shall we move on to members?
11:42 Kamion yes, let's
11:42 mako heh
11:42 mako i think Lure has already done so
11:42 ogra :)
11:42 Tonio_ hehe
11:42 Seveas Toadstool, you're up.
11:42 Toadstool thanks Seveas, hi everybody
11:42 Toadstool I am Jrmie Corbier, a 21 years old french telecommunications engineering
11:42 Toadstool student. I am an Ubuntu user since Warty. I spend a lot of time on irc helping
11:42 Toadstool users. I am also quite used to packaging since I am the maintainer of
11:42 Toadstool wide-dhcpv6 package for Debian (version 20060322-2 uploaded today) and
11:42 Toadstool Ubuntu. I am a member of the Bug Squad and try to file/triage/fix as many bugs
11:42 Toadstool as possible.
11:42 Toadstool For the future, I want to keep on helping Ubuntu users on irc and
11:42 Toadstool in real life as the community is one of the main Ubuntu strengths. I also plan
11:42 Toadstool to continue helping with bugs, maybe package more applications and above all
11:42 Toadstool I would like to become a MOTU and help making the future releases rock.
11:43 ogra Toadstool, is very present in #ubuntu-bugs
11:43 Seveas And on malone
11:43 Gloubiboulga and in #ubuntu-fr{,-testing}
11:44 dholbach Yeah, he's one of the assets in the BugSquad and we're all pleased to have him there.
11:44 Seveas \o/ for bug triaging, he's doing a good amount of work
11:44 ogra yeah
11:44 Toadstool thanks guys :)
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11:45 lucas I've seen Jeremie working very efficiently on some bugs I didn't have time to work on
11:46 LaserJock Toadstool has been contributing to #ubuntu-motu for a while now
11:46 Seveas Toadstool, the CC is now scrutinizing (sp?) your wikipage - beware
11:46 Toadstool :)
11:47 Seveas Toadstool, it takes them quite long. Could be bad news ;)
11:47 Kamion no problems here, fwiw; I've dealt with Jeremie once or twice and he's seemed competent; testimonials are good
11:47 Toadstool I'll be back :p
11:48 mako yes, looks good by me
11:48 elmo yeah, ack
11:48 Seveas Kamion: afaik he hasn't yet closed one of your bugs by accident ;)
11:48 Kamion Seveas: is that what you call it? ;)
11:48 Seveas ok, that's 3
11:48 ogra welcome Toadstool then :)
11:48 mako Toadstool: welcome
11:48 Seveas Congratulations Toadstool!
11:48 sfllaw Toadstool: Congrats!
11:48 Gloubiboulga Toadstool, congrats :)
11:48 Toadstool thanks everybody :)
11:48 mdke well done Toadstool
11:48 ogra that was really fast :)
11:48 Seveas Bluekuja, you're uo
11:48 dholbach CONGRATS!
11:48 Seveas up even...
11:48 Bluekuja ok thanks seveas
11:49 Bluekuja My name is Andrea Veri and I live in Italy,im finishing high school and I'm a great Ubuntu and Free software fan. My wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreaVeri, Launchpad one https://launchpad.net/people/bluekuja.I'm an active member of edubuntu team,contributing with advocacy(right now I'm working on a great specification, the Edubuntu Schools Advocacy Manifesto,that can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuS
11:49 Bluekuja choolAdvocacy) in italian schools, testing new releases and providing bugs reports for the testing team.I have made several wiki pages and a lot of translations too,also I'm contributing to malone reporting,fixing and adding comments to a lot of differents bugs.I'm working on a project related to my country,the edubuntu italian team,that will be related to the Ubuntu one. My future with Ubuntu is available at the bottom
11:49 Bluekuja of my wiki.
11:49 Toadstool i'm so glad to be part of the ubuntu members ;)
11:49 Surak Toadstool: Congratulations
11:49 ogra Bluekuja, too bad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy was wrapped
11:49 Kamion what do the Edubuntu folk think?
11:49 ogra its an awesome page
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11:49 mdke Bluekuja has been active for a several weeks in the italian translation team. He is also looking to set out a sub-group for edubuntu within the italian team. He is very enthusiastic
11:50 Bluekuja tnx mdke :)
11:50 Kamion Bluekuja is clearly trying to collect the set of team memberships
11:50 Seveas Bluekuja, hasn't been active for a really long time yet, but imho makes up for that with almost endless enthousiasm
11:50 Bluekuja haha no
11:50 mdke Kamion: yes, that is true.
11:50 ogra Bluekuja, is a very helpful contributor and even i'd have preferred he'd have applied in tomorrows EC meeting he has my full support
11:51 LaserJock I've worked with Bluekuja a bit on the EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy wiki page and he is a real enthusiastic team player
11:51 Kamion ogra: would the Edubuntu council have approved him, and on what grounds?
11:51 ogra sine he wanted to apply lats CC already and i talked to JaneW, i think i can say that she'd support him too (in fact she stayed up long for lats CC)
11:51 ogra *last
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11:52 ogra he does a lot of dood documentation work, helps people with support in #edubuntu
11:52 mako i recieved this before the meeting
11:52 mako 15:23 <cbx33> Bluekuja has been a great inspiration to my beginnings in ubuntu/edubuntu work, his enthusiasm has been fantastic, and his help on the schools advocacy project has been untiring. Definitly a dedicated ubuntu/edubuntu contributor. Great work Bluekuja, keep it up.
11:52 ogra the EC would have approved him
11:52 mako 15:24 <cbx33> thank you mako, hope to speak to you again soon
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11:52 cbx33 :)
11:53 Bluekuja tnx cbx33 :)
11:53 ogra s/dood/good/
11:53 cbx33 i made it just :)
11:53 mako cbx33: what are you still doing here?
11:54 cbx33 i just managed to pop in on my pocket pc
11:54 Kamion right, well I'm happy; constructive advocacy work, translation work, and the Edubuntu lot clearly like him
11:54 ogra absolutely
11:54 Seveas yay, one down
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11:55 mako sounds fine
11:55 Seveas 2 down!
11:55 Seveas elmo, ?
11:56 elmo yeah, ack I guess
11:56 ogra yay
11:56 ogra welcome Bluekuja
11:56 Surak Bluekuja: congrats
11:56 Bluekuja Thanks Very much
11:56 Seveas good guess ;) Welcome Bluekuja !
11:56 mdke well done Bluekuja, keep it up
11:56 sfllaw Bluekuja: Congrats!
11:56 Bluekuja to all
11:56 ogra happy to finally have you aboard !
11:56 Toadstool congrats Bluekuja :)
11:56 cbx33 congrats
11:56 BlueT_ Bluekuja: congradulations :)
11:56 Tonio_ congrats Bluekuja
11:56 ogra JaneW will be pleased
11:56 Bluekuja ogra: thank you a lot
11:56 Seveas Lure, please paste the complete intro now ;)
11:56 Lure Luka Renko, 32, from Slovenia. SW R&D manager in my day life, hacking Kubuntu for hobby (to stay in touch with engineering work ;-)). Started to contribute when I found out it is easy to so.
11:56 Lure With Dapper I started to follow Flight's and daily updates, updating my laptop t
11:56 Lure esting page. As klaptop was unmaintained, I looked into getting kpowersave up-to
11:56 Lure -date (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave), but then got distracted with wireless stuff (network-manager 0.6.x), worked on packaging knetworkmanager (and doing related bug triage on forums).
11:56 Lure Currently working on bug triage and fixing on KDE code that needs love. For Edgy I would like to help getting laptop infrastructure even further for Kubuntu (hopefully drop klaptop, improve hotkeys, better integration with Ubuntu laptop base).
11:57 Lure ;-)
11:57 Kamion Bluekuja: (I'd suggest concentrating on fewer teams and doing them well rather than trying to set the record for most teams joined, BTW :-))
11:57 Tonio_ Lure is very active in the kubuntu debugging session
11:57 Bluekuja kamion: thanks for the suggestion, its really appreciated
11:57 Bluekuja :)
11:57 Tonio_ he did major stuff concerning the laptop, packaging kpowersave, and has been of a great help for the implementation of knetworkmanager
11:57 ogra Lure is also noticeable active in #ubuntu-devel recently
11:57 Kamion FWIW Lure has been very helpful to me in Ubiquity bug triage work, helping me keep my head above water under the flood of mail
11:58 Tonio_ I definitly support his membership
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11:59 Seveas Yes, lure and ubuquity dupolicate bugs are an often-seen duo
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11:59 Seveas (and my spelling is going downhill fast, must be the new microsoft keyboard)
11:59 ogra Seveas, eek, now i know what you ment with evil :)
11:59 elmo Riddell: any comments?
11:59 Seveas hehe
12:00 Kamion (well, ubiquity has been setting records for duplicate bugs thanks to the crash handler - not that I'm complaining, it was sort of intentional)
12:00 Tonio_ he also released a great amount of patches to stabilise one of the most bugging admin tool : knetworkcong
12:00 Tonio_ s/cong/conf
12:01 Seveas I'd love to hear some comments from core Kubuntu developers..
12:01 elmo I don't think Riddell's around
12:01 Tonio_ Seveas: raphink is in germany for linuxtag, so only Riddell may talk...
12:01 elmo in any event, I'm happy enough on the basis of the evidence on the wiki page
12:01 elmo (i.e. ack
12:01 Seveas nice, one down
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12:02 mako yes, lure is fine by me
12:02 mako lots of good stuff
12:02 Kamion sorry, I pretty much meant ack above, I've been working with Lure a reasonable amount and my experiences have all been positive, plus the wiki page suggests more goodness
12:02 mdke well done Lure
12:02 mdke nice work
12:02 Lure Thanks for support - proud to be member!
12:02 dholbach congratulations Lure!
12:02 ogra welcome Lure :)
12:02 Seveas nice, welcome aboard!
12:03 Surak Congrats, Lure
12:03 Tonio_ welcome aboard Lure :)
12:03 Seveas Ju, you're up
12:03 Ju Hi !
12:03 Ju I'm Julien Rottenberg, I live in Los Angeles, and I'm currently seeking a job as a Network Administrator. I have been using Ubuntu since Warty and I'm the third ubuntu-fr administrator.
12:03 Ju I did some advocacy at the "Linux Expo" in Paris, at the "Fete de l'Huma", some wiki pages on the ubuntu-fr doc, and posts moderation on the french forum.
12:03 Ju My profile on Launchpad is https://launchpad.net/people/ju - Wiki : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JulienRottenberg
12:03 Seveas Any ubuntu-fr members around to cheerlead?
12:03 Yann2 Ju's doing a huge work in the Ubuntu-fr team, I think he's one of our activest members.
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12:04 Ju thanx Yann2 ;-)
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12:04 Seveas Yann2, good to hear
12:04 Toadstool Ju is a great member of the French Ubuntu team.
12:04 Yann2 what to say more? his wiki page is quite long :)
12:05 lucas I'm not involved at all in ubuntu-fr, but looking from the outside, it seems Ju is doing a great work
12:05 Gloubiboulga I agree with Yann2 and Toadstool, Ju does a really great work in ubuntu-fr
12:06 Seveas Yann2, true, but testimonials from others are at least as important as a clear wikipage
12:07 mako is there anyone else here from ubuntu-fr
12:07 eric_p ju does a great job on ubuntu-fr
12:07 eric_p and he helped me setting up kubuntu-fr
12:08 eric_p almost all wiki pages have been updated once by ju
12:08 skateinmars I'm not too much involved in ubuntu-fr (just an irc op), but I can tell Ju is really doing a great job for the ubuntu-fr community
12:09 elmo looks fine to me based on wiki page
12:10 Seveas same here
12:11 mako yes
12:11 mako i think it's fine
12:11 Kamion no problem here, seems to be helping to run the ubuntu-fr locoteam so seems like a no-brainer
12:12 Seveas Welcome aboard ju!
12:12 Bluekuja Congrats Ju
12:12 Ju Great ! It's honor for me to be a Ubuntu member \o/
12:12 Surak Congrats tu!
12:12 gnomefreak congrats ju
12:12 mdke nice work Ju
12:12 Surak s/tu/Ju
12:12 Yann2 welcome Ju :)
12:12 Ju thx !
12:12 Seveas Perfect score so far, everyone's accepted
12:12 Gloubiboulga congrats Ju :)
12:12 Seveas sfllaw, you're up next
12:12 sfllaw Congrats!
12:12 ogra next one is a no brainer too i guess :)
12:12 Toadstool congrats Ju :)
12:12 Seveas ogra, well...
12:12 sfllaw ogra: Hey! I resemble that comment.
12:12 ogra heh
12:12 sfllaw I'm Simon Law, from Montral, Canada. I'm a new Canonical employee who's primary function is to improve QA in Ubuntu. But I'm also a Debian developer and a free software developer.
12:12 sfllaw Recently, I've been trying to build support for triaging bugs, which is something we're losing on. I've written new articles under HelpingWithBugs, organised support on IRC, drummed up enthusiasm for HugDay, and have started triaging bugs myself.
12:12 sfllaw My future plans include building up community efforts in QA, especially with the BugSquad team. I have a couple tools I want to write that will help debug and reproduce problems. As well, I have some expertise in building automated test harnesses for Linux distributions, which should come in handy.
12:13 sfllaw s/who's/whose/
12:13 sfllaw Bah.
12:13 Kamion p.s. quality controller is the best job title ever
12:13 elmo haha
12:13 Kamion very thomas the tank engine
12:13 mdke lol
12:13 Seveas Big \o/ from me based on debian work and QA efforts and plans, -0 based on the fact that he's been active for not a too long period
12:13 ogra sfllaw, did an awesome job in the short time he's involved yet
12:13 mako right, not too long a period in ubuntu but i am familiar with sfllaw's work in debian
12:13 elmo I think the fact that he has a contract takes care of ensuring the "sustained" part of the requirements
12:14 ogra s/awesome/unbelivable, incredibel awesome/s
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12:14 Kamion Seveas: -0 noted, although on the flip-side we can expect employees to ... oh, what elmo aid
12:14 Kamion said
12:14 sfllaw mako only says this because I bought him a drink at Debconf 2.
12:14 mako elmo: welll, there's also visible world elsewhere in the free software community
12:14 elmo mako: right, that too
12:14 mako sfllaw: you bought me a drink at debconf?
12:14 elmo so anyway, +1 from me
12:14 Kamion oh wow you worked for maple, I used to use that at school
12:14 ajmitch and he's been active in debian for years now
12:14 mako sfllaw: i must have forget. you should do it again :)
12:14 ogra elmo, but i think what he did until now also counts a lot, dholbach can tell even more i think
12:14 sfllaw mkOf course.
12:14 sfllaw mako: Of course.
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12:15 dholbach I'm very happy to work together with sfllaw on the Bug Front and knew him beforehand already. He's quick to understand, to plan and to envision and I think he'll help us to gain back ground :-)
12:15 Seveas If he doesn't, he'll have to buy eberyone drinks at Ubuntu French Kiss :)
12:16 ajmitch Seveas: he'll do that anyway, won't he? :)
12:16 Seveas true
12:16 ogra oh, is that the official name ?
12:16 dholbach He triaged quite a bunch of bugs already and quickly got an overview over people and teams - apart from that he's very helpful in #ubuntu-bugs to new people.
12:16 sfllaw Seveas: And this will help us how?
12:16 ompaul ajmitch, no hes just buying for mako
12:16 ogra sfllaw, hey, this is the *community* council
12:16 sfllaw Getting you all drunk?
12:16 sfllaw I suppose.
12:16 ogra its a major social thing to buy everyone in the distro team a drink at confs ;)
12:17 Kamion anyway, +1, know him from Debian and he's got off to a flying start
12:17 mako yes, sounds great
12:17 mdke welcome aboard sfllaw
12:17 Seveas Awesome! Welcome aboard bughunter!
12:17 Bluekuja congrats sfllaw
12:17 dholbach ROCK ON!
12:17 sfllaw Thanks.
12:17 ogra YAY
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=== ogra hugs sfllaw
12:17 Seveas GROUPHUG!
=== sfllaw hugs dholbach.
12:17 ogra yay
=== sfllaw hugs ogra.
12:17 Seveas Surak, you're next
12:17 ajmitch he's picked up on the hugging quickly as well..
=== mvo congrats sfllaw
12:17 Surak I am Alexandre Otto Strube, from Brazil. the wikipage is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexandreOttoStrube and launchpad is https://launchpad.net/people/surak
12:17 Surak right now, the plan is bug triage and hardware support. I'm intended to leave developers do their job, and help users with their bugs (several people just want to help, but don't know exactly how).
12:17 Surak I'm doing a lot of work by helping out users in irc, specially on #ubuntu-br .
12:17 Surak Actually working on a Ubuntu-based distribution for a brazilian computer manufacturer. We try to keep as close as ubuntu as possible, and give the most that we can back to ubuntu, in form of testing, bug reporting and translation to pt_BR.
12:18 Surak I've written a tutorial on how developers can change source code in Ubuntu/Debian, which lead to a video driver for breezy amd64 - a functional Via Unichrome (breezy-amd64 used vesa): http://www.surak.eti.br/linux/ubuntu/deb/xserver-xorg-driver-via-preview-amd64-6.8.2.deb
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12:18 Surak for the future, as ubuntu gets more and more simple (to me, through learning), the plan is to help by adopting universe packages, and providing quality work on them.
12:18 Surak I would like to introduce someone which can talk a little bit more of me: Claudio Filho (filhocf), the Openoffice Brazil team leader, our upstream in openoffice translation :-) He started the MozBr and PgSQLBr projects also, and is an active collaborator on Debian/Debian-Br-CDD. Altough not a ubuntu member, someone I respect when the matter is open source. I did a lot of work with him before ubuntu, specially.
12:18 Surak Meyer and Licio can talk a little about my work also. KurtKraut is the #ubuntu-br ircop, and can talk also.
12:18 filhocf Hi..
12:18 dholbach Surak triaged some hundred desktop-bugs already, and I'm very grateful for what he did.
12:19 licio Surak is a hard colaborator of the bugTriage, translates and help in irc channel #ubuntu-br
12:19 KurtKraut Surak, you've forgot to mention that you're a colunist at http://planeta.ubuntubrasil.org
12:19 dholbach He has a good overview over what goes on upstream, knows which questions to ask, etc - he's very motivated.
12:19 Surak indeed!
12:19 filhocf about Surak, i know him some years, and your efforts to help in localization of OOo and Moz here is incredible
12:20 Kamion Surak and co. had a go at UbuntuExpress back in the breezy timeframe; we didn't end up using that code, but they made a decent effort
12:20 filhocf Surak helps in a help system called Rau-tu(how-to in brazilian speak) and is a big collaborator there
12:20 ogra and he's around pretty long already
12:20 Kamion he's been helping out a bit with ubiquity triage work more recently
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12:21 filhocf in localization part, i think that is a big help to Ubuntu.
12:23 elmo looks fine to be based on wiki page + kamion's comments
12:24 mako wellwell, i appreciate that you're trying to work closely with ubuntu while working on your own derivative
12:24 mako i'd love if you document the things that have and haven't worked well as part of that process
12:24 mako but i'm happy with membership
12:24 Surak today, more work of mine is done in bug triage than in my own job, for desperation of my boss :-)
12:24 Seveas Surak, hehe
12:25 Seveas 2 down, Kamion what's the verdict?
12:25 Surak but as we are porting our own derivative to dapper, its equally important that dapper is in shape
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12:25 zul @schedule Ottawa
12:26 zul @schedule Montreal
12:26 Ubugtu Schedule for America/Montreal: Current meeting: Community Council | 03 May 08:00: Edubuntu | 03 May 09:30: Xubuntu | 03 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 09 May 16:00: Technical Board | 10 May 08:00: Edubuntu
12:26 Kamion I'm fine with Surak for membership, per the above
12:26 ogra zul, please, we're in a meeting :)
12:26 Seveas Ok, 3 down! Congratz Surak !
12:26 Bluekuja congrats surak
12:26 zul sorry..
12:26 Seveas btw: Who has launchpad duty today?
12:26 ogra conagrats Surak
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12:26 Surak thanks
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12:27 licio congrats Surak , welcome
12:27 camilotelles congrats Surak!
12:27 Surak i'm shaking :-)
12:27 Meyer congrats, Surak
12:27 KurtKraut Surak, well done boy ;D
12:27 mdke well done Surak
12:27 filhocf congrats Surak, and congrats to Team too.
12:27 mako gary coady?
12:27 Seveas iegary, you're up
12:27 Kamion I'd forgotten about launchpad duty - I'll do it
12:27 iegary Hi, I'm Gary Coady, I've been administering Debian systems since '97, so have a good bit of experience with Debian-ish systems. Updated a third party package (aiccu) with debconf support and general Ubuntu integration. Have been working doing C programming for the last few years. A year of tech support (receiving, fixing core dumps etc.) as well.
12:27 iegary I've been helping out with bug triage and fixing in Launchpad since March (you can find me in #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-desktop), and have provided a good number of patches. I think I've helped somewhat in improving the quality of Dapper when it releases, and look forward to helping further with Ubuntu in the future. My wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaryCoady provides a few more details.
12:27 Seveas Kamion, cool
12:27 mako Kamion: you on it?
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12:28 Kamion mako: yes
12:28 dholbach I'm *VERY* pleased that iegary stepped up to write patches that upstream looked for for quite some time. He says that he just picks up the "easy things" - but don't believe him.
12:28 seb128 iegary is sending a lot of amazing GNOME patches to fix all sort of bugs to the desktop
12:29 dholbach He fixed quite a bunch of annoying things in the desktop world - he's a real asset and we're happy he's with us.
12:29 seb128 very good work
12:29 iegary thank you!
12:29 seb128 thank *you*
12:29 seb128 :)
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12:29 Seveas \o/ for the patching effort
12:29 Seveas please pick up more of those "easy" tasks
12:29 dholbach yeah :)
12:30 iegary Oh I wouldn't touch any of the difficult ones...
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12:30 Kamion ok, launchpad brought up to current
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12:31 seb128 (like that refcounting on poppler was not trivial code)
12:31 Seveas iegary, if you have a moment to spare: Implement a "settings" button in gss please ;)
12:31 ogra woah, poppler ?
12:31 mako iegary: sounds like a great member to meto me :)
12:31 dholbach pffffft
12:31 ogra that indeed deserves membership right away !
12:31 Kamion iegary: could you visit https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join, please?
12:31 iegary I hear you, Seveas
12:31 iegary btw, I hear a rumour I broke pdftex, for the record ;)
12:31 elmo ogra: dude, don't make me rethink the edubuntu/kubuntu delegation thing :-P
12:32 ogra elmo, :P
12:32 elmo ack from me anyway
12:32 elmo (I'm cheating and pre-reading wiki pages, I'm not really this fast)
12:32 ogra heh
12:32 dholbach YAY for elmo!
12:32 Kamion sadly, I'm not, give me a minute or two
12:32 Seveas elmo, FTW
12:33 mako elmo: i preread them too :)
12:34 elmo Seveas: eh?
12:34 Seveas elmo, nvm, I was just cheerleading
12:35 Seveas The microsoft keyboard has some bad effects on my mental state
12:35 Kamion oh yes, it was the brltty thing I noticed iegary for
12:35 ompaul Seveas, we need someone to give you a type m in its place
12:35 mdke is the microsoft keyboard responsible for the appearance of the dreaded ?
12:36 Yann2 hum. i've been approved as member approximatively one year ago, but never subscribed to the ubuntumembers team -_-
12:36 Yann2 should I forget it? :D
12:36 mako Yann2: no, do it now
12:36 mako Yann2: i remember approving you
12:37 Yann2 thanks, done
12:37 Kamion iegary++, clearly doing a fine job beyond the normal call of duty on bug QA work
12:37 mdke nice work iegary
12:37 Seveas nice one, welcome aboard!
12:37 Bluekuja congratz iegary
12:38 dholbach congratulations iegary!
12:38 iegary thank you! I'm glad to be here.
12:38 Surak congrats iegari!
12:38 Seveas keep up the bug work
12:38 Seveas gnomefreak, you're up
12:38 gnomefreak thank you, Seveas
12:38 Kamion still need iegari to apply to join the team before I can add him
12:38 elmo gnomefreak: where's your wiki page?
12:38 mako is there no wikipage?
12:38 gnomefreak Hi I'm John Vivirito aka gnomefreak, I have been helping on irc for many months now, helping new and experienced users on IRC, mailing lists, and more to the best of my ability. I have also done some material in the wikis. I can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Johnvivirito https://launchpad.net/people/gnomefreak http://www.freewebs.com/ubuntufreak/ubuntulinux.htm right now I am learning more about Ubuntu and hope
12:38 gnomefreak to get some more Python and C experience. Done
12:38 mdke elmo: mako: small "v"
12:38 Seveas https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Johnvivirito
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12:38 gnomefreak elmo, i thought it was oon the agenda wiki
12:39 gnomefreak s/oon/on
12:39 Seveas gnomefreak gets a \o/ from me for IRC support - he's active quite a lot
12:39 ompaul I support gnomefreak in his application, he makes an excellent meeter and greeter, and has buckets patience with new users, he gets people from starting block to up and running, he is attentive to the user and gets to the root (should that be sudo ;-)) of the problem even with very new users, be it terminal material or not and walk them through to getting it usable, he has learnt a lot since he started in #ubuntu and his help is polished to
12:39 ompaul a high level. He does not get excited with abuse or trolls.
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12:39 ompaul or Seveas +1
12:39 nalioth +1 for gnomefreak for the above reasons
12:39 Seveas And I want to hijack this a bit: he'd be a great #ubuntu op too
12:40 ompaul we need him
12:40 Seveas (So a vote on that would be nice)
12:40 Kamion I'm obviously too tired to make sense of the IRC logs in that wiki page
12:40 gnomefreak thanks guys :)
12:40 _jason gnomefreak is very active on irc. He helps out the new guy as well as someone with a more difficult propblem. He never seems to get frustrated and is always willing to help.
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12:42 mako ompaul: thanks
12:42 ompaul mako, when we can we do :-)
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12:43 mako i read the first one
12:43 mako it backs up everything that om has said
12:43 Seveas gnomefreak reminds me a bit of myself a year ago, when I started doing IRC support. Full of enthousiasm and always willing to help/learn
12:43 mako very patient, very helpful
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12:45 Kamion the main thing that's missing from the first log seems to be a link to the bug filed about the problem. :-)
12:45 Seveas heh
12:45 Kamion but yeah, what mako said
12:46 mako gnomefreak: how long have you been helping out on irc?
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12:46 gnomefreak mako, strongly helping out since december
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12:47 mako alright, the most we can do is rely on testimonials and examples.. i'm happy with membership on those grounds
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12:47 gnomefreak thank you
12:47 Seveas mako, how about IRC op?
12:47 mako oh yes, that sounds fine
12:47 ompaul mako, I really want to see him as an op
12:48 mako if the other irc ops would like to see it
12:48 nalioth +1 on gnomefreak as op
12:48 Seveas mako, they want to
12:48 Kamion happy with gnomefreak for membership
12:48 gnomefreak thank you
12:49 Surak congratulations gnomefreak!
12:49 Kamion gnomefreak: how's the new user network progressing? it's been a while since I heard anything much about it
12:49 ogra congrats gnomefreak
12:49 Seveas Surak, ogra: not yet
12:49 Kamion er, elmo's not said anything yet
12:49 gnomefreak thank you everyone im glad to be aboard
12:49 elmo ack
12:49 Seveas gnomefreak, you're not there yet
12:49 Seveas ah, you are ;)
12:49 gnomefreak oops
12:49 Seveas congratulations!
12:49 gnomefreak thank you
12:49 mdke nice work dude
12:49 Bluekuja Kamion: new user network its not so much active now
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12:49 ompaul welcome abored
12:50 ogra congrats gnomefreak
12:50 ogra :)
12:50 Surak congratulations now :-)
12:50 gnomefreak Kamion, its going ok
12:50 Bluekuja congratz gnomefreak
12:50 gnomefreak thank you everyone
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12:50 _jason gnomefreak: congrats
12:50 gnomefreak ty _jason
12:50 Seveas gnomefreak, ah, the new user network is moving forward?
12:50 Kamion lp munging all done
12:50 ompaul maybe its time to move it on
12:51 nalioth Seveas: incrementally moving
12:51 Seveas ompaul, move on to where?
12:51 Seveas nalioth, good to hear
12:51 mako alright
12:51 ompaul Seveas, the bar for the party :)
12:51 gnomefreak Seveas, its getting there
12:51 Bluekuja well, kamion talking with one of new user network admins, he said that the project is not more active because we dont need anymore
12:51 Bluekuja it
12:52 Bluekuja it was really usefull when ubuntu started
12:52 mako alright, is there any other bueinss
12:52 Kamion you mean we have fewer new users now than before? that sounds implausible
12:52 Kamion no other business from me
12:52 Seveas datetime of next meeting
12:52 BlueT_ am i the next to be voted?
12:52 mako umm.. probably should be a bit earlier
12:53 mako for example, 12UTC
12:53 Seveas BlueT_, you're not on the agenda
12:53 Bluekuja well, of course now there a lot of new users, but seems that the team is something like freezed
12:53 Bluekuja it would be really nice to have it back
12:53 Kamion actually, BlueT_ is on the agenda
12:53 Kamion under "Member candidates covered in recent meetings"
12:53 Seveas AH
12:53 Kamion BlueT_: go ahead
12:53 BlueT_ My name's Matthew Lien, 22y. I'm the Ubuntu@Taiwan leader and Organizer. wiki page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BlueT
12:53 BlueT_ Managing the [ LoCoTeam - Ubuntu@TW]
12:53 BlueT_ --
12:54 BlueT_ Maintaining these servers and site contents
12:54 BlueT_ Website/Forum : http://www.ubuntu.org.tw
12:54 BlueT_ Doc Team : http://wiki.ubuntu.org.tw - Our own Docs for Traditional Chinese User and Translate Docs from English to Chinese.
12:54 BlueT_ APT server : http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw - archive mirror, 2Gbps bandwidth.
12:54 BlueT_ Deb Team : http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/ubtw and http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/ubtw-testing - our own patched and up-to-date package for chinese users.
12:54 BlueT_ LiveCD Team : http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/UbuntuTW-LiveCD/ - Our own Custom version LiveCD for Traditional Chinese Users.
12:54 Kamion "gray hat hacker"? /me raises eyebrow
12:54 BlueT_ ISO mirror : http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/release
12:54 BlueT_ Dapper mirror : http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/cdimage/releases/dapper/
12:54 BlueT_ --
12:54 BlueT_ Helping Ubuntu-(CN|HK) to be a organized LoCoTeam with our framework.
12:54 BlueT_ Organizing a Ubuntu-ZH, which is a United Team of Ubuntu-(TW|CN|HK), for doing things about TW <-> CN <-> HK.
12:54 BlueT_ Help users on #ubuntu-tw #ubuntu-cn #ubuntu-hk #ubuntu-zh.
12:54 BlueT_ Prepearing a doc server for ubuntu-tw , ubuntu-cn and ubuntu-hk local teams (have been setted up).
12:54 BlueT_ Prepearing a buildd server for ubuntu-tw , ubuntu-cn and ubuntu-hk local teams.
12:54 BlueT_ BetterCJKSupport which aims to make CJK user can use ubuntu more smoothly.
12:54 BlueT_ Translate doc from english to chinese.
12:54 BlueT_ Kamion: white hat for now and future, actually :)
12:54 BlueT_ Write HOWTOs and Docs.
12:55 Kamion BlueT_: what are the modifications in the UbuntuTW live CD?
12:55 Kamion are they things that we could integrate properly - are bugs filed?
12:55 Seveas (bbiab)
12:55 Kamion http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/release 404
12:56 Kamion ah, releases
12:56 BlueT_ Kamion: it was for chinese bug fixs in breezy
12:56 Kamion http://apt.ubuntu.org.tw/cdimage/releases/dapper/ is a bit out of date FWIW
12:56 Kamion BlueT_: are they still needed in dapper?
12:56 BlueT_ Kamion: the connection speed of cdimage is REALLY slow. we tried our best to mirror :(
12:57 BlueT_ Kamion: i'll focus on locolization in our dapper livecd :)
12:57 Kamion there was a period when it was slow due to various issues - you may find it's faster now though, that was a while ago
12:57 Kamion although I appreciate that shoving bits half-way round the world takes a while
12:58 elmo it definitely shoudl be better now
12:58 Surak BlueT_: i can rsync the daily images in matter of minutes today from cdimage
12:58 elmo if it's still slow, I suspect network problems, or just general poor level3 .eu -> asia links
12:58 Kamion BlueT_: I feel quite strongly that we should be making sure these bits get merged; if you want to mail me (or maybe better ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com) a list of things that need to be integrated, that'd be good
12:59 BlueT_ Kamion: okay :)
12:59 Kamion can somebody who knows about it talk with BlueT about the official Ubuntu book?
12:59 Kamion (looking down at the bottom of the wiki page)
12:59 Seveas I've asked the publisher about translations - no response yet
01:00 BlueT_ Surak: the speed's still slow here :S
01:00 neuralis Seveas: talk to me afterwards, i can probably answer your question(s).
01:00 Seveas (I'm one of the reviewers for the book)
01:00 Seveas neuralis, after the meeting is bedtime, sorry
01:00 Kamion BlueT_: on CDs, if you burn our released CD images, you can call those official; for altered/localised CDs we'd have to talk about the details
01:00 neuralis Seveas: that's fine, catch me whenever
01:01 Kamion any other ubuntu-tw folks around?
01:01 mako BlueT_: i can talk to you about hte book too
01:01 Surak Seveas: I spoke with mako about pt_BR: I have someone with money who wishes to do it. Mako, did you receive my email?
01:01 mako Seveas: i've been talking to the publisher about translations.. she said she can make it happen but isn't entirely sure how
01:01 BlueT_ Kamion: Mark asked me to email him these, but no response from him. :S
01:02 mako Seveas: it's under a free license though so, well, it can happen :)
01:02 BlueT_ mako: ok :D
01:02 Kamion BlueT_: try ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com then
01:02 Kamion BlueT_: were any of your group at the localisation sprint in London?
01:02 BlueT_ Kamion: abelcheng and freeflying-ibook knows me :)
01:02 mako i'm still trying to get a sense of the answer to Kamion's first questions
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01:03 mako now large of a diff are you carrying and how much of it can you get back into ubuntu
01:03 mako s/now/how/
01:03 BlueT_ Kamion: nope. we're not invited. but abelcheng was there :)
01:04 Bluekuja guys i have to go, kamion I'll contact you tomorrow to talk about the new user network
01:04 Bluekuja suggestions etc
01:04 BlueT_ mako: almost everything. # how much of it can you get back into ubuntu
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01:05 mako BlueT_: bugs filed?
01:06 BlueT_ mako: i can't say a correctly number for that question, coz we have a DebTeam for now. # now large of a diff are you carrying
01:06 OgMaciel heya mako... long time don't see
01:07 BlueT_ mako: not enough time for it.
01:08 mako BlueT_: what do you mean by a DebTeam?
01:08 BlueT_ mako: somebody should focus on bugs filing, and somebody should focus on else.
01:09 Kamion a mix of both activities works well for most of the Ubuntu development team, FWIW; it's better for the people who are familiar with the problems to file the bugs
01:09 Kamion anyway, we're drifting off-topic; how do folks feel?
01:09 BlueT_ mako: now we have a team for doing patches and packaging softwares.
01:10 Kamion I'd really like a commitment to push for reintegration of the ubuntu-tw development work, so that it's a contribution to Ubuntu proper
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01:10 mdke BlueT_: (if you're interested in translating the Desktop Guide, Server Guide, Packaging Guide etc, have a look at the ubuntu-translators mailing list archives, there are details there of how to do that.)
01:11 BlueT_ mdke: i see. i had subscribed that mailing list already :)
01:11 Kamion but if that's done, I'm happy with the rest of the work
01:11 elmo kamion++
01:11 Kamion (local advocacy, testing, local documentation etc.)
01:11 mdke BlueT_: good, I was just checking because I saw the thing about translating the book so I thought I'd just clarify in case you didn't know about it.
01:12 BlueT_ mdke: thanx :)
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01:12 BlueT_ and apologize if there's any questions i didn't answer
01:12 mako that sounds like a fair deal
01:13 Seveas So, +3 once the ubuntu-tw works are merged?
01:13 elmo not conditional on it being merged, but a commitment to working towards that
01:13 BlueT_ coz english is not my native language, so maybe i'm a little slower than you @@"
01:14 mako elmo: right
01:15 mako alright then
01:15 mako BlueT_: welcome
01:15 mako if there are no problems then, lets reconvene in two weeks at UTC12
01:16 Kamion can I approve BlueT in LP?
01:16 ogra without that commitment ?
01:16 BlueT_ mako: thanx :)
01:18 Kamion BlueT_: can you say that you will get somebody to send a summary of your changes to ubuntu-devel@, and we can move on? :-)
01:19 BlueT_ changes on...?
01:19 Kamion BlueT_: the ubuntu-tw live CD, with respect to dapper
01:20 ogra bugs that havent been filed etc
01:20 BlueT_ Kamion: yeh of course :)
01:21 ogra s/filed/filed yet/ :)
01:21 Kamion ok, great, thank you
01:21 Kamion I've approved BlueT in launchpad now
01:21 elmo ANY OTHER BUSINESS?
01:21 Kamion right
01:21 Kamion 00:15 < mako> if there are no problems then, lets reconvene in two weeks at UTC12
01:21 Kamion works for me
01:21 Seveas ack
01:21 freeflying-ibook hi all, I know something about BlueT_ , shall I tell something
01:21 Kamion going
01:21 elmo is that midday?
01:22 Kamion freeflying-ibook: go ahead
01:22 Kamion elmo: yes
01:22 elmo oh, hang on
01:22 Kamion freeflying-ibook: although we've already approved him so it's a bit late, but quick
01:22 elmo Kamion: that's the middle of debconf
01:22 elmo I think all four CC folks will be there ;-)
01:22 Kamion I won't
01:22 freeflying-ibook Kamion: BlueT_ has host ubuntu-tw,and do support in taiwan
01:22 elmo Kamion: no? bummer
01:22 Kamion afraid not :(
01:23 Kamion no mehico for me
01:23 freeflying-ibook Kamion: he has worked with us lots for BetterCJKSuppor spec, like test, etc
01:23 elmo mako's registered at least and usually turns up. mark's going
01:23 elmo 12UTC is going to be awfully early in mexico
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01:24 mako elmo: i'm actually *not* going to be at debconf
01:24 elmo mako: ah
01:24 Seveas *shock*
01:24 mako i asked them to unregister
01:24 mako i know
01:24 mako first time in like 5 years
01:24 Kamion how about we make it 2000UTC then, to let elmo and mark get adequate beauty sleep
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01:24 mako combination of end of the semester, sponsors week at the media lab and getting married sort of added together :)
01:25 Kamion freeflying-ibook: ok, thanks; sounds like we were right to approve him from your point of view, then :)
01:25 mdke wow, congrats mako
01:25 ogra mako, getting married ????
01:25 Kamion mako: oh, hey, congratulations
01:25 Seveas getting married?!?
01:25 mako ah, yes, i haven't blogged that yet :)
01:25 freeflying-ibook Kamion: thanks
01:25 ogra mako, you ????
01:25 mako will do today :)
01:25 Seveas when?
01:25 gnomefreak congrats mako
01:25 ogra mako, WOW !!!!
01:25 Seveas congratulations!
01:25 elmo Kamion: in some ways 12UTC might work better - there's more chance of me attending, if not mark. 20UTC would put us middle of day, fighting with talks (or the water park)
01:25 ogra yeah, congrats
01:25 freeflying-ibook BlueT_: congrats
01:25 ajmitch mako: nice way to spring it on us :)
01:25 BlueT_ mako: congradulations!
01:25 mako either time is fine for me :)
01:25 mako ajmitch: thought you wouldn't notice :)
01:25 ompaul mako, :-) best of luck
01:26 BlueT_ Kamion: am i one of ubuntu-members now?
01:26 Seveas BlueT_, yes
01:26 Surak mako: congratulations, and.... good luck!
01:26 gnomefreak congrats BlueT_
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01:26 BlueT_ Seveas: thanx
01:26 ogra BlueT_, welcome :)
01:26 elmo kamion/mako: ok, let's do 12UTC. I can have fun trolling mark, telling him he has to attend to make up for missing so many
01:26 BlueT_ gnomefreak: you too :D
01:26 gnomefreak thank you
01:26 ompaul BlueT_, well done
01:26 BlueT_ ogra: *hug*
01:26 ogra :)
01:27 BlueT_ ompaul: thx :)
01:27 mako elmo: sounds fine
01:27 ogra elmo, tell him he'll be kept in afterwards :)
01:27 Kamion elmo: works for me; throw a bucket of water over him for me ;)
01:27 elmo ok - can we call this a night? I'd kind of like to get some dinner ;)
01:28 elmo mako: (congratulations)
01:28 Kamion righto
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