10:00 Ubugtu Current time in Etc/UTC: July 11 2006, 20:00:08 - Current meeting: Community Council in 0 minute 10:00 Seveas Kamion, ping === elmo [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:00 Seveas hi elmo 10:01 elmo hi 10:03 nixternal JoeyStanford how is everything? 10:03 Kamion yeah, I'm here 10:03 JoeyStanford Hi Nix! Good thanks 10:03 JoeyStanford I figured I'd uncloak for the meeting :-) 10:03 Seveas Kamion, will we see sabdfl or mako too? 10:04 Kamion sabdfl is on holiday 10:04 elmo mako said he'd make it === mako [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:05 Seveas hi mako 10:05 mako greetings 10:06 elmo ok, we've got quorum, shall we get started? 10:06 Seveas mdz, are you around? 10:07 Sp4rKy i'm back 10:07 Seveas wb 10:08 elmo seveas: "Two Ubuntu members have also become Freenode staff" - who are they? 10:08 Seveas elmo, rob and nalioth 10:08 Seveas actually, there are 3 now: hedgemage too 10:08 elmo ok 10:08 mdz Seveas: I am; am I needed? 10:09 Seveas mdz, you've put the first item on the agenda === mako is getting up to speed.. i'm coming straight out of another irc meeting 10:09 mdz I put that on the agenda before the previous meeting, after talking with mako 10:09 mdz I assumed it had already been discussed since comments were added to the wiki 10:09 Seveas at the previous meeting it was moved to this one === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:10 mdz as you pointed out, this is a rather old proposal 10:10 mdz but I think the issues it raises are still valid 10:10 mdz mako was in agreement when we spoke about it === mako nods 10:11 mako i'm reading the things posted to the spec 10:11 mdz I acknowledge that some members of the community are working well with the FreeNode staff 10:11 mdz but I think that's equally possible elsewhere === j_baer__ [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:12 mdz essentially all of the non-Ubuntu project channels I follow have moved to OFTC 10:12 mako that's been true for me as well 10:12 Seveas and why should we follow? 10:13 mako there are a series of reasons on and alluded to on the specification 10:13 elmo Seveas: I regularly see the must register to send messages damage hurt users, f.e. 10:13 Seveas elmo, that is a measure against spam 10:13 Sp4rKy please, when does the CC start ? 10:13 mako Sp4rKy: it's going on now 10:13 Seveas Sp4rKy, 13 minutes ago 10:14 gnomefreak Sp4rKy: started 10:14 sharms2 I would say from a users point of view it's very hard to find a irc admin to get help from 10:14 gnomefreak who has this spec page handy? 10:14 elmo Seveas: I know what it is, but it regularly bites new users trying to contact others 10:14 mako Seveas: that's fine, but it seems to be handled different and less inconveniently for users on other networks, including OFTC 10:14 Seveas "Freenode is technically and politically erratic" is a bunch of FUD instead of concrete arguments === andyp [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:14 jenda Does OFTC require registration to send messages? (Sorry for ignorance)? 10:14 elmo jenda: no 10:14 Seveas mako, there's a big difference in size between oftc and freenode 10:14 jenda thx 10:14 mdz gnomefreak: it's on the agenda 10:14 Seveas freenode is much larger and thus a more attractive target 10:14 elmo Seveas: OFTC recently took on Debian - they can handle us 10:15 gnomefreak mdz: ty 10:15 mako Seveas: nobody disagreeing with that, but that is something that we can take advantage of as well 10:15 mdz gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda 10:15 gnomefreak ty 10:15 sivang I'm also bitten by this, everytime my client disconnects and reconnects, and I send PMs to folks not even noticing they don't receive it. 10:15 Sp4rKy mako, Seveas gnomefreak k, so what should i do when i'm added to Member candidates for consideration 10:15 Seveas Sp4rKy, just wait. 10:15 Kamion Sp4rKy: wait until the proper point in the meeting 10:15 gnomefreak Sp4rKy: wait till Seveas calls you 10:15 Sp4rKy k 10:15 Sp4rKy thx 10:15 mdz I'm happy with how Debian has turned out on OFTC 10:15 elmo bye === dinda [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:16 Seveas I'm happy with how Ubuntu turned out on Freenode 10:16 Seveas It's settled and working very nice 10:16 elmo Debian's OFTC migration even provides us with a working example of how to do it 10:16 Seveas moving would disrupt that a lot === nixternal agrees with Seveas as there seems to be a lot of people settled in 10:17 gnomefreak maybe just me but i have seen alot of people from OTFC spamming in #ubuntu for the last few weeks is this something we have to look foward to if we move? 10:17 elmo Seveas: that's your opinion, and it's great, but you're blithely ignoring problems like the must register stuff which are real problems and I see effect different people every week 10:17 jenda I'll second that. Imagine the confusion of moving the thousands of people. 10:17 mdz gnomefreak: "people from OFTC"? 10:17 elmo jenda: it's not hard, as I said, Debian did it 10:17 Kamion gnomefreak: could you elaborate on that statement please? 10:17 mdz jenda: Debian moved more people than we did 10:17 Seveas elmo, I'm not ignoring that, I'm just seeing that differently 10:17 jenda Freenode doesn't require registration - #ubuntu does. 10:17 jenda OK 10:17 Seveas jenda, no, freenode does - for pm's 10:18 mako Seveas: at the conference we had people unable to connect for msot of hte first day 10:18 sivang we could also provide shipped IRC clients with config for OFTC for that matter 10:18 mako Seveas: eventually, i got ahold of lilo and eventually he was able to fix it === JoeyStanford notices that OFTC appears to be more community oriented and might fit better simply on that basis with Ubuntu than Freenode. Noting of course he has not experienced any problems with Freenode. 10:18 nixternal which i like the registration, as it stops people from ghosting nicknames as well === jenda mumbles about +6 10:18 mdz Seveas: that happens pretty much every time we have a conference === sryan [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:18 erdalronahi shipped IRC clients are a good idea 10:18 mako nixternal: there are registered nicks on oftc as well 10:18 Seveas mako, why do you think limiting connections is a bad idea? 10:18 Kamion yeah, it's been happening since Oxford in mid-2004 10:18 nixternal mako: thank you for the clarification... ;) 10:18 mako Seveas: it's not that i think it's a bad idea 10:18 Seveas mdz, for paris that was handled because someone (me) actually poked freenode staff in time 10:19 mako Seveas: but when we have to spend half a day being blocked as a result, it's a major inconveience 10:19 gnomefreak mdz: yes there have beena few bot bombs (i guess is what the name for them is) is has OFTC before it shows the user name and in purple comming in the channel and just saying things like f ubuntu bleh bleh bleh === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:19 elmo Seveas: and for all your claims of close ties, it still takes at least half a day to sort out ... each time... 10:19 Kamion gnomefreak: your inference that it's "people from OFTC" seems weak at best 10:19 mdz gnomefreak: I don't think you can take that as an indication that those people represent OFTC 10:19 Seveas elmo, for paris it took 5 minutes. 10:19 Amaranth this wasn't on the calendar :/ 10:20 Seveas for other conferences: no one took the trouble to poke freenode staff 10:20 mako Seveas: it took 6 hours from the time i first messaged the only staff member online 10:20 Seveas IN TIME 10:20 elmo Seveas: dude. your reality does not match our reality 10:20 mako Seveas: there were apparently some technical problem that kept the fix from taking hold 10:21 Seveas elmo, my reality is that freenode works really well for #ubuntu and related channels and that none of the active community want to move === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:21 elmo Seveas: sigh. look, I'm talking about a very specific example. you're claiming that freenode was working for UDSP "on time". we were there. it wasn't. === Admiral_proFTW [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:22 mdz Seveas: I think some of the people participating in this meeting qualify as active community ;-) 10:22 Seveas mdz, I mean #ubuntu community 10:22 Kamion I think #ubuntu-devel matters too 10:22 mako oftc is run by a democratically elected board, they have a great track record for technical reliability and responsiveness, they have recently started hosting debian which is both similar in size and overlap.. they also seem to be a less annoying/confusing to new users in regards to msgs 10:22 mdz Seveas: I expect many of them neither know nor care which IRC network they use 10:22 Kamion I don't particularly want to turn this into a fight between #ubuntu and #ubuntu-devel though 10:22 Seveas elmo, it may have failed later (heard that from lilo), but he was working on that. It worked immediately after I asked him though 10:23 nixternal brief opinion if i may do so....if there are issues with freenode, why not take them up the staff and see if they can fix the issues to supply ubuntu with what it needs..just like a new user with ubuntu, we want to know their issues, instead of them just leaving for something else 10:23 mako freenode is not oppressively bad.. but i think there's a fair use that oftc might be a better match 10:23 nixternal and if it doesn't get fixed/resolved, then look at moving elsewhere (oftc) if warranted? 10:23 mako mdz: except perhaps, when their private msgs don't work :) === nixternal is keeping an open mind, as it does't matter where i hang out, as long as it is Ubuntu!!! ;) 10:24 sivang mako: is there some protection against someone else taking your nick ? do they support any sort of registration ? 10:24 mako sivang: of course 10:24 elmo sivang: yes, they have services 10:24 mdz sivang: it works exactly the same way 10:24 mako sivang: it would be indistinguishable 10:24 sivang mdz, elmo, mako : I'm sold :-) 10:25 Seveas mako, freenode is increasingly good to us. In case of channel problems we have close ties to active staff. For OFTC that may eventually work too, but don't fix if it ain't broken 10:25 JoeyStanford Are there any assurances that OFTC will be around for the long haul? 10:25 Seveas JoeyStanford, yes 10:25 mako Seveas: you also need to recognize that there is now a history of strange behavior in relation to canonical channels by the (undemocratically elected) freenode staff 10:25 Seveas mako, I do, but #canonical != #ubuntu 10:25 mdz mako: that's not a CC issue though 10:26 Amaranth debian had it easy, they have irc.debian.org 10:26 mako a history of erratic behavior by the people running the network is something working keeping in mind 10:27 Seveas mako, lilo will in the short term be much less visible on the network if you're concerned about that 10:27 Kamion Amaranth: (that's something we can and should introduce) 10:27 mako i really don't have a grudge against lilo.. he's been very helpful to me every time i've talked to him 10:27 gnomefreak i like that idea alot 10:27 mdz Amaranth: and we have irc.ubuntu.com 10:27 Amaranth Kamion: But by default people have been getting connected to "irc.freenode.net", no? === uniq [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:27 mdz Amaranth: by default (at least in xchat) they use "Ubuntu Servers" 10:28 JoeyStanford FWIW: We always state that "Debian is the rock that Ubuntu is built on." If the Debian community found OFTC good enough to move, OFTC operates in a similar manner as Ubuntu does, and many other groups have already migrated, it would seem to me that there is sufficient justifcation for us to move as well. 10:28 LaserJock mdz: which is irc.freenode.net, no? 10:28 mdz LaserJock: yes, but easily changed 10:28 LaserJock of course, just wondered 10:28 mdz it's separate from the FreeNode server profile 10:29 LaserJock right 10:29 Amaranth mdz: but warty, hoary, breezy, and dapper users are still connecting to irc.freenode.net 10:29 Seveas as they should be... 10:29 Amaranth mdz: so you'd have to manually tell them to move 10:29 mdz Amaranth: warty is EOL, and the others can be changed via -updates 10:30 Amaranth hmm, i thought that stuff got copied into ~/.xchat2/ if you changed something 10:30 Kamion it's also easy to put "channel has moved" notices up 10:30 juantao_ pardon, might I speak? 10:30 Kamion as elmo said, Debian have been through all this 10:30 Seveas juantao_, sure 10:30 juantao_ the meeting is 30 minutes old and my lunch break is half over, any chance we can move along to other items? 10:30 Amaranth Kamion: hehe, freenode will close the channel 10:30 Seveas juantao_, not before this is resolved 10:30 Kamion Amaranth: *shrug* lasts long enough 10:30 juantao_ k === diaz [n=diaz@p5489DB77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:31 mdz I don't think that concerns about the transition should be a consideration here; as stated, Debian made this transition without much trouble at all === mako nods 10:31 Amaranth ok, forget that part for now 10:31 Kamion it seems entirely political, not technical 10:32 Seveas mdz, apart from the /msg-needs-registration and lilo-annoyance, are there any reasons to move? 10:32 Kamion (as far as implementation goes) 10:32 sharms2 lack of help from ops for regular users 10:32 mako Kamion: well, the problem we have now is political, the reasons to move are both 10:32 mdz Seveas: yes, another concrete reason already raised was the repeated problems we have at conferences 10:32 Amaranth sharms2: How does moving to another network fix that? 10:32 Kamion mako: right, I realised that after speaking and tried to clarify in the parenthesis 10:32 elmo Seveas: and the behaviour of staff in #canonical 10:32 Seveas mdz, and I already stated the solution to that too 10:33 Seveas elmo, #canonical != #ubuntu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:33 Kamion that doesn't stop it mattering 10:33 elmo Seveas: dude, seriously are you reading what people write? 10:33 mdz Seveas: you haven't acknowledged that the "solution" you proposed is exactly what we did in Paris, and it *didn't work* 10:33 elmo seveas: as mako already pointed out, it doesn't matter that #canonical != #ubuntu, it demonstrates a problem with how the staff behave, and how they behave affects _all_ channels including #ubuntu 10:33 Amaranth Interesting, I didn't know a private, password protected channel was allowed on freenode. 10:33 mdz it seriously disrupted the event (again) 10:33 Seveas mdz, due to technical problems as has been said - do you think OFTC will be problem free> 10:34 Seveas elmo, I've never seen staff misbehave in any ubuntu channel so far 10:34 mdz Seveas: no, but in my experience it has fewer problems 10:34 mdz mako's point about governance is also valid 10:34 Seveas mdz, that's just a matter of size... 10:34 elmo Seveas: ... so are you saying we're making it up, or do our experiences just not count or what? 10:34 mako Seveas: i've been on both networks simultaneously for 3 years now 10:34 sryan Why not move to EFnet? :) 10:35 Seveas mdz, that'll change - HedgeMage is working on getting people from projects on the board 10:35 mako Seveas: and my experience has been that things have been easier and more quickly fixed on oftc 10:35 mdz my experience is similar to mako's 10:36 mdz and additionally I'm tired of having to keep track of two networks ;-) 10:36 Seveas OFTC has also had less bot attacks and other annoying losers trying to keep staff over-busy 10:36 jenda mdz: BTW, the move would bring that burden upon many of us. 10:36 Kamion Amaranth: it is; but we've had problems with staff not respecting privacy 10:36 mako i have never attempted to move a project from OFTC to freenode 10:36 mako but i've seen a very steady stream of project move 10:36 mako culminating with debian recently 10:36 Amaranth mdz: I'm already in 3 networks, I really don't want a 4th. 10:36 mako it's basically only GNU projects and Ubuntu that are left here that i've involved with 10:37 mako Amaranth: i'm on 4, we learn to deal :) 10:37 Seveas mako: gentoo, php, django - to name a few that are here... 10:37 Amaranth everyone is on freenode ;) 10:37 mdz mako: is freenode a matter of GNU policy, or just status quo? 10:37 mako mdz: not sure 10:37 elmo Seveas: yeah, because we have so much cross pollination with gentoo, compared to, err, Debian 10:38 mdz yes, Debian alone is a pretty compelling reason 10:38 Seveas elmo, as a matter of fact #ubuntu and #debian don't have that much overlap 10:38 Amaranth #python is on freenode too, although i think they have it on oftc too 10:38 elmo Seveas: argh, dude, Ubuntu is not just #ubuntu 10:38 mako Seveas: you should look at the governance information for oftc 10:38 mako Seveas: it's pretty compelling 10:38 mjg59 Seveas: Little overlap between user channels is hardly surprising 10:38 Seveas elmo, no, but moving would be the hardest for #ubuntu with 800+ users 10:38 elmo Seveas: #ubuntu-devel is just as important a part of Ubuntu 10:38 mako Seveas: their entire staff/board is democratically election and dispute resolution goes through a democratic channel === JoeyStanford wonders about irc.ubuntu.com hosted by OFTC 10:38 sivang mako: similar to the CC sort of 10:39 elmo Seveas: no. it would not be. that is a straw man. as you've been told multiple times. Debian migrated larger channels and it was painless 10:39 jenda JoeyStanford: that would probably be a forward, just like irc.debian,org 10:39 mako sivang: it's better than us! :) 10:39 Seveas elmo, at the time #debian moved. #ubuntu already was bigger 10:39 mako Seveas: more or less the the same 10:40 Seveas ~100 users 10:40 mako Seveas: in any case, nobody is suggesting doing this if OFTC couldn't handle it 10:40 jenda Is that really that important? 10:40 Kamion ~100 users> that would be 12% then, basically statistical noise at that point 10:40 Kamion if you can migrate a 700-user channel, you can migrate an 800-user channel 10:40 sivang mako: heh === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:41 Amaranth If you're going to do it it has to be all at once for basically everything but #ubuntu. 10:41 Amaranth Otherwise it gets confusing. 10:41 elmo please, let's not discuss migration strategies 10:41 sivang maybe we can have some folks go to talk to them, tell them we're interested, lay out what we require and see if it can be provided before doing the move? 10:41 Amaranth elmo: There is nothing else to discuss. 10:41 mako you can also look at the http://www.oftc.net/oftc/Constitution 10:41 mako it's great :) 10:41 elmo Amaranth: of course there is. whether we should or not 10:41 nixternal i know when i was an op for ETG years ago, one of my channels was on 2 networks, and we utilized a bot to combine them until everyone moved over..the bot would link the 2 channels on the same network..this may also limit the issues with a transfer 10:42 Amaranth elmo: It's the same argument back and forth though, perhaps it's time for a vote? 10:42 Amaranth nixternal: #python had one of those too for talking to oftc users 10:42 elmo let's not have a vote, but I would like to hear from anyone other than Seveas who is -1 on this 10:42 elmo (I'm not discounting Seveas, it's just his vote is pretty damn obvious at this stage) 10:43 Amaranth Well, I think it's a waste of time. 10:43 Seveas elmo, you've seen last week when there were many more others present 10:43 DBO I dont think we should move 10:43 mako that's right, i'm not at all comfortable voting on this 10:43 elmo DBO: why? 10:43 Amaranth Other than that, whatever you decide. 10:43 Seveas everybody but the CC (who didn't say much then) was against 10:43 DBO I deal with needy users every day in #ubuntu, I put in maybe 60 hours a week during the non-summer months, and they are confused enough 10:43 mjg59 DBO: How are they getting to #ubuntu? 10:43 nixternal what about creating a poll for members/teams/users to vote also, as i think their opinions on something this great should be looked at 10:44 mako Seveas: that's not true, some people asked questions and few people offered a strong opniion either way 10:44 sharms2 if irc.ubuntu.com forwards to oftc, how would that confuse anyone? 10:44 Seveas mako, that's not what I saw last week... 10:44 DBO mjg59, most of them automatic, lots are using irssi, or whatever when their x server is broke 10:44 elmo Seveas: sorry, but my recollection matches makos 10:44 Amaranth confusing users is still a migration issue === jenda = -1 on moving 10:44 mjg59 DBO: Right. So if the default config is to hit irc.ubuntu.com, then changing will change nothing for them 10:44 elmo Seveas: but we can go over the logs later 10:44 elmo jenda: again, why? 10:44 elmo sorry, let me be clearer 10:44 mako Seveas: you can't ask me to come up with an opinion based on what *you* saw last week 10:44 elmo let's not have a vote, but I would like to hear from anyone other than Seveas who is -1 on this _and why_ 10:45 mako Seveas: i've read what you've put on the wiki and acknowledge your points === JoeyStanford = +1 on the move 10:45 mako i also acknowledge Amaranth's point that the vast majority of people simply won't care 10:45 Kamion I would also like us to consider moving Ubuntu development channels even if the user channels don't move 10:45 DBO The move strikes me as a short term solution to a long term issue. Anywhere we go there will be server issues, botter issues, DCC idiots 10:45 Kamion because, honestly, I don't think it matters much for most ordinary users whether the development channels are on the same network 10:45 uniq from reading on oftc.net is looks very ubuntuish. democratic and nice. 10:46 elmo Kamion: good point 10:46 jenda If it ain't broken don't fix it approach: I don't think we should move only for political reasons, and the technical ones seem overlookable. 10:46 nixternal i am +1/-1 on it, 50/50, as i believe getting information from current users of freenode in the #ubuntu related channels, should be able to voice an opinion for something this large of an ordeal 10:46 DBO Kamion, I agree with that 10:46 mako we know how to a transition, i suspect we could do it painlessly, without confusing, and withough the vast vast number of users even noticing 10:46 jenda OTOH, I'm not that far from 'not caring' either: except I'm afraid we might lose some people, who won't want to move. === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9CA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:46 nixternal truthfully, no matter where the servers are for me, i am still going to help Ubuntu...however my experience here has been very good, as I have had no problems with anybody or anyone 10:46 sivang mako: we just need to make sure we have cloaks, which I kind'of got used to, but probably they have nice rules about that as well. 10:46 mako jenda: there is already a small group in #ubuntu on OFTC 10:47 JoeyStanford Nixternal: Same here 10:47 mako jenda: i suspect a small group would stay onf reenode if we moved 10:47 mjg59 mako: It's likely that the channel would be closed 10:47 nalioth apologies for my tardiness, but is there a reason for moving? 10:47 mako mjg59: ah 10:47 jenda Most probably true. 10:47 mjg59 mako: Though that doesn't seem to have happened to #debian, so 10:47 mako nalioth: there is a relatively long series of reasons, please read the log 10:47 nealmcb I tend to agree with nixternal also. 10:48 mako sivang: there are cloaks and we could insure we had them on oftc 10:48 nixternal i can tell you this though, no matter where Ubuntu goes, I think the idiots who cause trouble on IRC servers, script kiddies mostly, i think will follow us because of how popular we are, and that is an easy way for them to express their jealousy 10:48 sharms2 Just because something is ok now, doesn't mean you shouldnt plan for the future. 10:48 mako Seveas: here's what i'm kind of worried about 10:48 mako this debate sort of simmered in debian for years 10:48 Seveas nixternal, most bot attacks target freenode because of its size, not ubuntu because of its popularity 10:48 jenda Another thing is... aren't cloaks a tidbit elitist? 10:48 Kamion nixternal: I reiterate my suggestion of moving development channels regardless; the numbers there are far less and the people involved are much easier to inform 10:49 ompaul jenda, they protect users from ddos === jenda does like his cloak, though :) 10:49 elmo ok, I don't think we're getting very far with this, can I make a suggestion: 10:49 sivang mako: cool, that's good. 10:49 nixternal and i understand that, but it will happen no matter which server is used..thats what i was tyring to get at 10:49 mako and it was clear to me that there was a lot of compatibilty between philosophy, decision-making, power, quick responses, overlap, etc. but nobody really wanted to rock the boat so thing really happened 10:49 jenda ompaul: I meant exclusive member cloaks. 10:49 elmo (1) we defer this to the next meeting, sabdfl is going to want to have a say in this, so we can't make any final decisions today anyway. AND 10:49 nealmcb Kamion: moving just some channels complicates the treatment of irc.ubuntu.com 10:49 mako elmo: that's right 10:49 elmo (2) both sides draw up pages on the wiki with their view of pros and cons 10:50 Kamion nealmcb: that's true, but developers can cope 10:50 ogra elmo, +1 10:50 elmo (3) and someone add the kamion-alternative to the wiki as a suggested fall back 10:50 jenda agreed 10:50 nixternal great point Kamion, but like i said, i am neither yay or nay on it, i just would like to see a larger community voice on the situation then what is currently being voiced...im with Ubuntu no matter where it's at ;) 10:50 ompaul elmo on that point +1 10:50 mdz elmo: (2) has already been done, though I suppose they could be expanded a bit 10:50 gnomefreak elmo: +1 10:50 mako sounds good :) 10:51 elmo mdz: the pro-move side could really be better documented, but yeah 10:51 nixternal elmo: +1 10:51 jenda 50 minutes :D 10:51 Kamion elmo: a LOT better documented 10:51 jenda +1 10:51 mdz mako: most of your ideas are missing from the page; could you add them? 10:51 Kamion from the position of somebody who mostly has trouble caring but who probably leans marginally towards pro-moving, it's pretty weak 10:51 nixternal my biggest concern is the newer users of irc...if you can get them to autoconnect wonderful!!! === gnomefreak is mainly concered with how stable are thier servers === jenda still doesn't see the reasons, so it would be great if they were on the wiki. 10:51 elmo I'll also try and add to the pro one, once mako is done, FWIW 10:51 mako mdz: yes! 10:52 mdz thanks 10:52 mako great 10:52 Kamion can we sort out irc.ubuntu.com and default clients and stuff ASAP no matter what? 10:52 elmo we should also document the migration stuff, etc. 10:52 elmo Kamion: domain exists, I've filed a bug in LP on all clients 10:52 mako Seveas: thanks for your input though, and for being patient 10:52 Kamion that can and should be done independently of the outcome of this 10:52 Kamion elmo: cool, thanks 10:52 mako Seveas: lets try to move forward constructively 10:52 Seveas mako, (and others): likewise 10:52 elmo ok. so. let's move on? 10:52 Seveas let's move on for now 10:53 mako great 10:53 mako new IRC ops 10:53 mako DBO, who we have already met briefly 10:53 DBO =) 10:53 mako and imbrandon 10:53 mako DBO: want to do a quick introduction? 10:53 Seveas next is less discussion: DBO is a very active #ubuntu helper and imbrandon is already op in #kubuntu - I would like them to reinforce the team 10:53 gnomefreak +1 on both of them 10:53 mako Seveas: how are you doing in terms of active staff? 10:54 Seveas gnomefreak, you don't vote -- the CC does 10:54 gnomefreak oops 10:54 nixternal lol 10:54 mako Seveas: is there an op list online somewhere? 10:54 Seveas mako, those two would be useful additions, some of the ops have become less active 10:54 Seveas mako, on the wiki 10:54 Seveas https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCOperators 10:54 mako ah, that's what i was looking for 10:54 mako thanks === nixternal lets it be known that i am always online here, and is available if needed in the future 10:55 mako Seveas: well, we if you want to ask some folks on that list to retire, that might be good 10:55 mako but in any case 10:56 Amaranth oop, i don't have a wiki page anymore 10:56 mako does anyone have anything testimonials, positive or negative (can be private if absolutely necessary) about either DBO or imbrandon? 10:56 ompaul mako, I'll vouch for DBO as very good, and very useful === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mako nods ompaul 10:56 DBO I did ask Madpilot to come today, but he was otherwise detained 10:57 nixternal imbrandon is a good op, as we work together quite a bit === Seveas gives both his +1 10:57 uniq mako: imbrandon is very helpfull and a good operator in #kubuntu. 10:57 Seveas err.. s#+1#\o/# 10:57 nixternal +1 uniq 10:57 Seveas DBO is very helpful in #ubuntu and entertaining in -offtopic - both are useful things 10:58 nalioth DBO and imbrandon will make fine ops 10:58 gnomefreak agreed 10:58 Seveas but most important: both DBO and imbrandon have a good dose of common sense 10:58 FunnyLookinHat I found DBO to be very helpful as well. He is extremely patient and works well to help users understand rather than just telling them what to do. === jenda nudges about signing the CoC...? 10:59 Amaranth While we're on this topic, are any of the developers in that list ever actually in #ubuntu anymore? 11:00 gnomefreak Amaranth: i see a few ive never seen dont know who they are either 11:00 mako Amaranth: i think its fair to say that most of the people from the first round are not active there 11:02 mako and most of the core-devs are from that group 11:02 mako in any case 11:02 mako i'm happy with both imbrandon and DBO on those recommendations on a quick review of their recent activity 11:02 mako Kamion, elmo: ? 11:03 LaserJock crimsun is often i n #ubuntu isn't he? 11:03 Seveas yes 11:03 ompaul LaserJock, yes 11:03 nalioth crimsun is everywhere 11:03 nixternal crimsun is everywhere 11:03 nixternal lol 11:03 mako heh 11:03 sivang and he also fires Molecules at other ones :) 11:03 gnomefreak LaserJock: yes 11:03 Kamion doesn't seem to be any opposition to those ops, so I'm happy to take the recommendations of those here 11:04 elmo wow, #ubuntu logs do bag things to galeon 11:04 gnomefreak thom i never see and fooishbar 11:04 Kamion DBO: what's your launchpad id? 11:04 Seveas gnomefreak, they're not in chanservs access list - I'll update the wikipage 11:04 gnomefreak ok 11:04 Kamion Daniel's more or less inactive Ubuntu-wise; Thom has been around more lately but I doubt he cares about #ubuntu ops any more 11:05 jenda elmo: tail does bad things to #ubuntu logs ;) 11:05 DBO Kamion, my current id is jasonsmith5, but due to a technical glitch (foobar gpg) been having issues with the CoC signing. I will however sign as soon as I can fix that (or grab antoher person for help) 11:05 gnomefreak also havent seen carlk in ages 11:05 ompaul Kamion, I'll walk him though it 11:05 DBO Kamion, scratch that, I mean Jassmith 11:05 Seveas gnomefreak, I've seen him recently 11:05 gnomefreak k 11:05 elmo anyway, both fine by me 11:06 Kamion DBO: ok, thanks 11:06 Kamion ok, we have a lot of locoteams to cover 11:06 Seveas -ChanServ- [DBO] has been added to the access list for #ubuntu with level  11:06 Seveas -ChanServ- [imbrandon] has been added to the access list for #ubuntu with level  11:07 Kamion are any of the locoteam representatives here? I realise it's been a long haul so far 11:07 Seveas -ChanServ- [DBO] has been added to the access list for #ubuntu-offtopic with level  11:07 mako yikes! === JoeyStanford is here === sharms2 is here === nixternal is here === nixternal is Chicago 11:07 mako JoeyStanford: please go ahead and introduce your team and its activities 11:07 nealmcb Three of us are here from Colorado 11:07 JoeyStanford Greetings. 11:07 JoeyStanford Thank you for allowing us a few minutes of your time today. My name is Joey Stanford and I would like to 11:07 JoeyStanford introduce the Colorado Local Community Team. Our wiki entry is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam (note the 11:07 JoeyStanford photos!!). === JoeyStanford appologizes for the format. He's at a client in California 11:07 erdalronahi erdalronahi is from ubuntu-ku and also here 11:08 JoeyStanford The Colorado Local Community Team (aka CoLoCo) advocates the use of Open Source software and Ubuntu Linux in the State 11:08 JoeyStanford of Colorado. This is done through CD Distribution, Team expansion, user-base support, and outreach programs. 11:08 JoeyStanford The Colorado 11:08 JoeyStanford Local Community Team is not meant to replace our local LUGS but rather enhance their overall experience by having a 11:08 JoeyStanford dedicated place to discuss, contribute, and gain support from local Ubuntu users. 11:08 JoeyStanford I am the current Team Leader and Neal McBurnett (who is here today) is the Deputy Team Leader. 11:08 mako if they have already, having something typed and up and prepared for pasting will make you friends :) === mako nods to nealmcb 11:08 JoeyStanford What We Do: 1) Educate the public about Ubuntu, 2) Supply Ubuntu (CDs & CD images), 3) Support Ubuntu Locally, 4) 11:08 JoeyStanford Conduct outreach programs via local schools 11:08 JoeyStanford Our membership, at last count, numbers 35 people although I must admit we 11:08 JoeyStanford have not yet been able to get all of them to register on launchpad or our mailing list. 11:09 JoeyStanford As part of our support program we have been actively participating in local LUG lists. 11:09 JoeyStanford We have IT professionals, 11:09 JoeyStanford hobbyists, teachers, and students in our ranks. 11:09 JoeyStanford In 2006 we are planning (and executing) to leverage the educational 11:09 JoeyStanford professionals to provide a level of outreach into our schools. 11:09 JoeyStanford 11:09 JoeyStanford One of our members, Paul Casey, has done a fantastic job at a local university. He has converted the entire computer 11:09 JoeyStanford lab and to a large extent, the entire computer program, over to Ubuntu. Ubuntu is on every lab machine. Almost all 11:09 JoeyStanford courses are taught using Ubuntu including graphics design, publishing, programming, and basic computer skills. 11:09 JoeyStanford 11:09 JoeyStanford We've had some interesting events since we started. Our Dapper Release party was a great success and we signed up a few 11:09 JoeyStanford new members. My laptop nearly melted due to the continued burning of ISOs. :-) 11:09 JoeyStanford 11:09 JoeyStanford Through the mailing list, irc channel, and our physical parties we've been able to provide both generalized and specific 11:09 JoeyStanford support of Ubuntu to our community. This has resulted in a suggestion for Matthew East: 11:09 JoeyStanford https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bug/51382 11:09 Ubugtu Malone bug 51382 in ubuntu-website "Suggestion: LoCo Teams to Free Support Page" [Untriaged,Confirmed] 11:09 elmo holy cow, longest intro EVAR 11:09 JoeyStanford We have some additional speaking engagements lined up as well as a big, more organized, team parties later this year. We 11:09 JoeyStanford were targeting the Sept/Oct time frame and may roll this into the Eft Release Party and/or the Free Software Day 11:09 JoeyStanford celebration. 11:10 mako yeah, a bit much perhaps :) 11:10 JoeyStanford All in all, we've been having a great time and wanted to share our excitement with the Council. This concludes our 11:10 JoeyStanford formal presentation. We would like to end with a formal solicitation to the council for recognizing our team as an 11:10 JoeyStanford official local team. We would very much welcome additional ideas on how to become even more successful as well as 11:10 JoeyStanford meeting any missed criteria for being an officially sanctioned Local Community Team. Thank you!!!! === JoeyStanford done! 11:10 nealmcb I'm Neal McBurnett: https://launchpad.net/people/nealmcb and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NealMcBurnett === nixternal applauds 11:10 nealmcb He said it all 11:11 mako i think you guys should be able to definitely modify the colorado flag to include an ubuntu logo 11:11 nealmcb :-) 11:11 mako or at least two thirds of one === JoeyStanford already has a design concepty for Loco t-shirts :-) 11:12 mako great 11:12 mako well, you said a lot.. i have no questions.. thanks for your work so far and for showing up 11:12 mako it's pretty inspirational 11:13 mako JoeyStanford: welcome! 11:13 mako also nealmcb 11:13 mako sharms2? 11:13 sharms2 I mistyped, I am later in agenda 11:13 mako ah, ok 11:13 nealmcb You all provide a great platform to rally around, with great community feel. 11:14 mako nixternal, chitown! 11:14 elmo yeah, what mako said 11:14 nixternal After a performance like that by JoeyStanford, there isn't much for me to add. Ubuntu Chicago is doing the same, just in the Chicago land are, and I have had the assistance of JoeyStanford with getting my team up and running. 11:14 nixternal https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-chicago 11:14 nixternal https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam 11:14 nixternal my members aren't always on irc, and are currently busy 11:14 mako also a nice website 11:15 nixternal but, we have come to our first agenda which is our first meeting "The Taste of Ubuntu" in 2 weeks 11:15 nixternal thanks mako 11:15 nixternal we have 30+ already showing up for our first meeting, and we are planning "Chicago Days" where we will be spending a day downtown advocating and spreading ubuntu 11:16 mako nixternal: tell Vince Vierra he has a great name :) 11:16 nixternal we are currently trying to get a mailing list up and running and haven't had much success with that as the responses are null 11:16 nixternal will do mako 11:16 nixternal i got in touch with Ubuntu hosting,a nd we will be getting a small site via them next week 11:16 nixternal i am getting/trying to get all of the members to join launchpad and sign the CoC 11:17 mako nixternal: awesome :) 11:17 nixternal i have a great group of guys and gals, and their determination and dedication is endless 11:17 DBO mako, purging gpg got it to start making keys again, CoC is signed =) 11:17 mako DBO: great 11:17 mako awesome 11:17 mako nixternal: thanks for your hard work on that 11:17 nixternal we also have a couple of big timers who are providing us hardware for demos coming up 11:18 JoeyStanford Fantastic news Nix 11:18 nixternal i appreciate it mako, as we really enjoy doing it 11:18 mako you should feel free to keep places like sounder up to date on your actions 11:18 nixternal we even have a LUG that is interested in our work, and they happen to be on OFTC ;) 11:18 nixternal will do mako 11:18 nixternal that's about it for chicago 11:19 mako especially successful stuff you think might other groups might like to learn from or emulate 11:19 nixternal we are doing Ubuntu Chicago style as they all say ;) 11:19 JoeyStanford nix will post the dates for the Chigago Days festival? I'll try to fly in. 11:19 nixternal i can do that JoeyStanford when they become available 11:19 JoeyStanford thx 11:19 nixternal i will let everyone know 11:19 nixternal thanks to you all for the support, as we wouldn't be able to do this w/o the community 11:20 nixternal thanks to the CC for your time and consideration as well 11:20 mako the Ubuntu Chicago Manueal of Style 11:20 LaserJock lol 11:20 nixternal hehe === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:21 mako thanks guys! 11:21 mako alright 11:21 nixternal thank you mako 11:22 mako erdalronahi: you're up! 11:22 erdalronahi Hi, 11:22 erdalronahi We are a very small team trying to promote Linux in Kurdish. Ubuntu is the first Kurdish Linux, due to Rosetta. Rosetta made translation easy for us. But since we started from zero, there is still a long way to go. 11:22 erdalronahi We have produced a Kurdish Ubuntu-Live-CD, with all the langpacks on the CD. 11:22 erdalronahi https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu-ku 11:22 erdalronahi https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-ku 11:22 erdalronahi We'd like to become an official team. 11:22 mako wow! === j_ack [n=nico@p508D9CA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:23 erdalronahi that's it, any questions? 11:23 erdalronahi :) 11:23 nixternal hehe 11:23 mako erdalronahi: maybe you can tell us a little about kurdish :) 11:23 erdalronahi We have not such an elaborate speech 11:23 erdalronahi Of course, 11:23 jenda Yes ;) Could there be an english wiki about the team? 11:23 erdalronahi yes, 11:23 mako was there an existing gnome translation before? 11:23 erdalronahi no 11:23 erdalronahi we did it 11:24 jenda BTW - which part of Kurdistan are you based in? 11:24 erdalronahi we started it, 11:24 erdalronahi mostly the north 11:24 erdalronahi that is Turkey 11:24 erdalronahi but I am in Europe 11:24 jenda I see. 11:24 erdalronahi one is from Iran 11:24 jenda Would that be freddyubuntu? 11:24 nealmcb very exciting - congrats, folks! 11:24 erdalronahi Kurdish is spoken by ~25 million people 11:25 erdalronahi but forbidden almost everywhere 11:25 jenda interesting. 11:25 erdalronahi just in Iraq it is changing now 11:25 mako erdalronahi: arent' central and southern kurdish very different? 11:25 erdalronahi but that's just a small fraction 11:25 erdalronahi yes 11:25 erdalronahi quite different 11:25 jenda So I heard. Any chance in Turkey? 11:25 jenda </OT> :) 11:25 mako erdalronahi: can one translation cover both? 11:25 erdalronahi well, ours should be understandable, but 11:25 erdalronahi no 11:25 mako erdalronahi: also, is kurdish written in non-latin scripts? 11:26 erdalronahi not really 11:26 mako erdalronahi: which kurdish are you translating into? 11:26 erdalronahi yes, especially central Kurdish in arabic script 11:26 erdalronahi northern 11:26 erdalronahi in latin 11:26 erdalronahi script 11:26 erdalronahi Windows will be translated into the other big dialect 11:26 jenda How many people are working on this? 11:26 erdalronahi Central Kurdish with arabic script 11:27 mako erdalronahi: can you do machine translation? 11:27 erdalronahi at the moment about half a dozen steadily 11:27 erdalronahi from one script to the other? 11:27 erdalronahi or from English, what do you mean? 11:27 jenda Which group (Central/Arabic vs. Northern/Latin) is more numerous? 11:27 mako erdalronahi: you might be interested in talking to danilo segan who helps maintain translations in both latin and cyrillic serbian 11:27 erdalronahi Northern 11:27 jenda half a dozen ;) Congrats. It's a lot of work. 11:27 erdalronahi but the problem is, because it's forbidden everywhere 11:27 erdalronahi there is no formal education, 11:27 erdalronahi no standardization 11:27 jenda OK 11:28 erdalronahi and people from different regions 11:28 erdalronahi yes, thanks === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:28 erdalronahi what was that with machine translation? 11:29 erdalronahi It is possible to convert the alphabets into one another 11:29 erdalronahi mako, was that the question 11:29 erdalronahi ? 11:29 nealmcb do you have contacts in the central/arabic community? 11:30 erdalronahi little 11:30 mako elmo: yes 11:30 erdalronahi there is vrtually no existing free software project 11:30 mako sorry 11:30 mako erdalronahi: yes, that was the question 11:30 erdalronahi I have written scripts for that 11:31 mako great :) 11:31 mako erdalronahi: you might want to send a mail or talk on IRC with danilo 11:31 erdalronahi yes, thanks 11:31 mako erdalronahi: he has a lot of software to do similar things that people in other language have been using 11:31 erdalronahi we had similar issues on the wikipedia === mako nods 11:31 mako erdalronahi: well it's great to have you on board 11:31 erdalronahi to convert articles automatically 11:31 erdalronahi thanks a lot, === Bigtoe [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:32 erdalronahi we especially like the attitude of Ubuntu 11:32 mako i'm thrilled you're going to make ubuntu the first kurdish language distribution :) 11:32 erdalronahi that makes it easy for weak groups like ours 11:32 erdalronahi it is already, it is usable 11:32 erdalronahi in Kurdish 11:32 nealmcb strong-hearted groups like yours!! 11:32 mako erdalronahi: do you have screenshots? 11:32 erdalronahi Ubuntu has Kurdish firefox before Mozilla has 11:32 erdalronahi :) 11:32 jenda wow ;) 11:33 mako erdalronahi: i have a few kurdish friends here, i'll show them :) 11:33 erdalronahi http://linux.ferheng.org/linux.html 11:33 mako erdalronahi: they'll probably be impressed :) 11:33 erdalronahi screenshots 11:33 jenda amazing LoCo work, really. I'm saving this log for the Czech LoCo to see. 11:33 erdalronahi mako, where is "here"? 11:35 nealmcb General question: are you now considering these locos to be "official", whatever that really means? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9CA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:35 erdalronahi yes, I have a question with that 11:35 erdalronahi we registered www.ubuntu-ku.org === bddebian [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:35 erdalronahi later I was told that I shouldn't 11:35 erdalronahi the owner must be Canonical 11:36 elmo erdalronahi: how long have you guys been active? 11:36 erdalronahi since warty 11:36 erdalronahi breezy had a Kurdish locale, but no translations === Bigtoe [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting  11:36 erdalronahi Dapper has Keyboards and translations 11:36 mako erdalronahi: boston 11:37 mako awesome :) 11:37 erdalronahi probably from the south then? they are invited to help 11:37 nixternal mako: the salty dog? 11:38 erdalronahi We have a wish, too, 11:38 erdalronahi maybe not the place here, 11:38 erdalronahi but in Turkey and Iran there are lots of Winmodems around 11:38 erdalronahi I know that has been discussed, === mako nods 11:38 mako in the interest of time, we should really move on === GStubbs43 [n=GStubbs4@pool-72-73-93-252.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:38 elmo yes ;) 11:38 erdalronahi yes, 11:38 mako but thanks erdalronahi for your work and for introducing it here 11:39 mako great stuff 11:39 erdalronahi thank you for your time 11:39 mako any other locos? 11:39 mako i am going to turn into a pumpkin in half an hour 11:39 nealmcb So are we official now? 11:39 Seveas nealmcb, yes 11:39 nealmcb :-) 11:39 nixternal thank you mako, thank you CC!!! === JoeyStanford points out that Colorado is the first Official USA LoCo Team 11:39 mako any other locos? going twice 11:40 mako JoeyStanford: no way :) === JoeyStanford lol === nixternal points to JoeyStanford that Chicago is still in the US!!! 11:40 mako JoeyStanford: detroit has had KICKING loco for a long time 11:40 JoeyStanford You're second buddy :-) 11:40 nixternal they haven't moved us yet 11:40 jenda break it up ;) 11:40 JoeyStanford lol yeah, the wiki needs to be updated 11:40 nixternal oh ya, Detroit had a huge release party as well!! 11:40 mako alright 11:40 Toadstool (/me whispers "hi everybody") 11:40 mako new member candidates === alenitchev is here 11:41 sharms2 I am here. === nixternal is here 11:41 mako for the few and the strong that have survived this far === lfittl is here === JoeyStanford is here 11:41 Seveas JoeyStanford is the first === heno here 11:41 Seveas (whitesoft isn't around) 11:41 mako Seveas: ah, ok 11:41 heno I have to go in about 10 min though :( 11:41 mako JoeyStanford: ok.. we're already familiar with your work 11:41 JoeyStanford lol 11:41 nixternal nice 11:41 JoeyStanford I have a pitch but it's smaller than the loco === Sp4rKy is here 11:41 Seveas JoeyStanford, *pfew* 11:41 JoeyStanford Go or skip? :-) 11:42 Seveas go 11:42 elmo let's do heno quickly if he has to go? 11:42 JoeyStanford Greetings. 11:42 JoeyStanford Thank you for allowing me a few minutes of your time today. My wiki entry is: 11:42 JoeyStanford https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeyStanford (note the TABS at the top of the page) 11:42 nealmcb joey can you do it in one long line? 11:42 JoeyStanford I am applying for Ubuntu Membership today. If you deem me not ready, I would very much like guidance on how/what to 11:42 JoeyStanford improve so I may reapply in the future. 11:42 heno elmo: thanks, after Joey 11:42 JoeyStanford About myself: I'm very passionate about Free/Open Software. I have been using GNU/Linux since the mid-1990s and have 11:42 JoeyStanford been using Ubuntu since Warty. I made the switch to using only Ubuntu in my personal life in 2004. 11:42 JoeyStanford I am active in a few 11:42 JoeyStanford non-Ubuntu F/OSS projects but I am most well known as an OpenOffice.org Project Lead. 11:42 JoeyStanford 11:42 JoeyStanford I founded both the OOo Esperanto L10N Team and the Esperanto Native Lang Team (yes, Esperanto has "de naska" (from 11:42 JoeyStanford birth) speakers!) and, in general, I help out a number of other (non-translation based) OOo projects. Neal also speaks Esperanto btw 11:42 JoeyStanford 11:43 JoeyStanford My Ubuntu Activities: I am the founder and current Team Leader of the Colorado Local Community Team, the co-lead for the 11:43 JoeyStanford Ubuntu Esperanto Team, and a participant on the Marketing and Laptop Testing Teams. My Launchpad Karma is steadily 11:43 JoeyStanford growing too. :-) 11:43 JoeyStanford A mostly-complete list of my contributions to Ubuntu can be found on my wiki page. 11:43 JoeyStanford 11:43 JoeyStanford My Future Participation in Ubuntu: I will remain, for the foreseeable future, the team lead for the Colorado Team. I 11:43 JoeyStanford have great aspirations of continuing to grow the user base and outreach programs as well as helping local Ubuntu users. 11:43 JoeyStanford I've set the full goals to 'paper' on the Team's wiki entry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam 11:43 JoeyStanford 11:43 JoeyStanford I also have a standing commitment to my Ubuntu Esperanto Teammate, Tim Morley, that I will continue to assist with 11:43 JoeyStanford translations, builds, organizational activities, and other activities. 11:43 JoeyStanford I am also eager to see how I can increase my 11:43 JoeyStanford participation in the Marketing Team via the team's projects (SpreadUbuntu, Ubuntu Magazine, etc.) as they deploy. 11:43 Seveas that 11:43 JoeyStanford A 11:43 JoeyStanford complete list of my aspirations and goals can be found on my wiki page. 11:43 JoeyStanford 11:43 Seveas isn't smaller 11:43 JoeyStanford I wish to thank you all again for your time today. I welcome any questions you may have. This concludes my 11:43 JoeyStanford introduction. Thank you. === JoeyStanford done === JoeyStanford lol 11:43 Toadstool pfew, at least it was shorter than the locoteam intro :P 11:43 mako c'mon man 11:43 nixternal haha 11:44 JoeyStanford I'm a project manager and I had material ready. :-) 11:44 jenda So, JoeyStanford, who did you say you were? === JoeyStanford laughs. 11:44 nixternal scroll up 11:44 jenda mako: JoeyStanford has also helped out bits and pieces, definitely noticeable, with the budding Marketing Team. 11:44 mako JoeyStanford: are you a native esperanto speaker? 11:44 JoeyStanford mako: not native. 11:44 nealmcb Again, I'm https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NealMcBurnett I've worked with Joey for two years on various projects including Ubuntu and Linux. Joey has an enormous amount of energy, and is experienced in a wide variety of fields: technical, project leadership, organizational, security. He gives great Ubuntu talks for local Linux Users Groups. He is very community-minded, and organizes people and activities well. And he has a smile that simply radiates 11:45 JoeyStanford wow, thanks neal 11:45 JoeyStanford and Jenda 11:45 nixternal im also a +1 on Joey as I have worked with him with the Ubuntu Magazine, and he guided me with getting the Ubuntu Chicago LoCo up, we need more people like him in the community!!! 11:45 mako your LP page? 11:46 Seveas https://launchpad.net/people/joey-stan4d 11:46 nealmcb but his esperanto accent needs a lot of work to recover from growing up in New York 11:46 mako thanks === JoeyStanford notes most people get confused with the tabs on his wiki entry === jenda was too 11:47 mako great :) 11:47 mako i'm happy with JoeyStanford as a member 11:47 mako elmo, Kamion? 11:47 elmo +1 11:47 mako who is the next person here? 11:47 Kamion how could I not, with such an intro ;-) 11:48 JoeyStanford lol 11:48 mako Kamion: i almost didn't BECAUSE of the intro 11:48 mako ;) === heno asks nicely to cut in the queue 11:48 gnomefreak heno: was next because he has to go? 11:48 heno :) 11:48 juantao_ Jon Dowd 11:48 jenda Congratulations, JoeyStanford. Knew you could make it 11:48 mako heno: go ahead henrik 11:48 Seveas juantao_, please wait 11:48 heno Hi folks 11:48 JoeyStanford Thanks everyone. === cdeeeee [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting  11:48 juantao_ k 11:48 heno - I started TheOpenCD project in 2002, which is the upstream for the Ubuntu WinFOSS. 11:48 heno - I've been working on Ubuntu since August 2004. First with the WinFOSS selection, then as webmaster and now focusing on accessibility and non-software content 11:48 heno - I'm sort of an adopted member of the core development team, though I'm not a developer :) 11:48 heno - For this release I want to try to put some more weight behind our claim of having the best accessibility support available. I think we are just ahead of the other major distros now by a nose, but we should work to set a new standard. 11:48 heno - I like the phrase 'computing for everyone' 11:49 mako i can't beleive heno isn't a member already 11:49 Seveas likewise 11:49 heno sorry, left it a bit late ;-p 11:49 elmo I think this falls under the "obvious" category (c.f. gcc etc. commit rules) 11:50 heno wanted tomake sure I could show sustained effort ... 11:50 mako usually a like a little more smalltalk but i disappear in 15 minutes so :) 11:50 mako heno: you win on both counts 11:50 mako heno: well you've got my vote :) 11:50 mako Kamion: make it official? 11:50 mako juantao_: you're up! 11:50 juantao_ worth the wait, this has been very educational and heart-warming. 11:51 mako heno: i think i'll risk welcoming you prematurely 11:51 heno cool, thanks! 11:51 mako heno: thanks for sticking through the meeting 11:51 Kamion yes, been working with heno for ages and obviously have no problem at all with him, huge sustained/significant contribution 11:52 Seveas juantao_, please introduce yourself 11:52 juantao_ My name is Jon Dowd and I live in Ashland Oregon (USA). Support manager small (7,000 users) ISP, by day. Evenings are spent rebuilding computers donated to www.computerdropoff.org the prior Saturday with using Ubuntu exclusively. 11:52 mako heno: if every candidate was as commically overqualified for membership as you, our meetings would be of a more sane length 11:52 heno :) 11:52 juantao_ In February I drove my little truck 5,000 miles to New Orleans donating computers to former Black Panther and founder of Common Ground Relief. I set up a small LAN in his garage to help assist coordination of their efforts (summer home to 2,000 student volunteers. Came home one week later and opened a center where we take in donated computers, install Ubuntu and prepare them for delivery this August. 11:52 mako juantao_: i love ashland :) 11:52 juantao_ it IS paradise 11:53 juantao_ These efforts will result in placing Ubuntu computers in several schools. Although I applaud the efforts many are making in Edubuntu, for our needs (older students) Ubuntu is better suited. 11:53 mako tjat 11:53 mako that's great 11:54 mako what are your contributions in the ubuntu community to date? 11:54 juantao_ promoting Ubuntu to all and putting it on all the computers i touch === mako nods 11:55 juantao_ (small compared to others here today) 11:55 mako juantao_: well, that's not necessary the case 11:55 juantao_ but I touch 5 /10 computers a week - they all get Ubuntu! 11:55 jenda juantao_: you're a person who should definitely be in #ubuntu-marketing, on a side note ;) 11:55 mako juantao_: but we usually ask for documentation ad/or testimonials from the community 11:55 mako jenda: right, for example 11:56 mako i can imagine a number of other places in the community where you energy/effort could be integrated 11:56 juantao_ sorry, i dont think i'm known 11:56 juantao_ we are on the cusp of a really big thing here , aren't we? 11:56 mako with ubuntu? 11:56 juantao_ yes 11:56 mako i think so :) 11:56 juantao_ changing the world 11:57 juantao_ as in what we pay for and defining free 11:57 mako juantao_: so ubuntu related advocacy work is a great way to qualify for membership 11:57 juantao_ well i thuought so and showed up. 11:58 juantao_ signed the contract 11:58 mako juantao_: but its easier for us to be able to recognize it with a bit more documentation and integration with the rest of the community 11:58 mako juantao_: well, that's the first step 11:58 juantao_ sure. === bddebian wonders how he ever got in :-) 11:58 juantao_ I can wait, 11:58 Seveas bddebian, you bribed ogra 11:58 mako juantao_: i would suggest you look at the marketing team or the doc team or any number of other parts of the community 11:58 juantao_ sure 11:58 bddebian Seveas: Oh yeah, thx :-) 11:58 mako maybe in a monht or so pull together a few testimionials from other folks 11:59 mako juantao_: shouldn't be controverisla :) 11:59 Toadstool bddebian: you're a god, remember? ;) 11:59 jenda juantao_: you're always welcome in the marketing team ;) 11:59 juantao_ i'll do it, and come back 11:59 mako juantao_: if you're alright with that, i'd just as soon proceed 11:59 LaserJock juantao_: edubuntu would also be probably interested in your experiecene with the schools 11:59 mako juantao_: great! thanks for showing up and for your work so far! 11:59 mako looking forward to great things in the future 11:59 juantao_ thanks, I'll paste this in a memo - ya'll are GREAT ! 11:59 mako crap, i have another meeting starting like now 11:59 Seveas mako, eep :/ 12:00 mako who else is here 12:00 sharms2 I am here 12:00 lfittl me === alenitchev here === nixternal is here 12:00 Sp4rKy me 12:00 Seveas Sp4rKy, nixternal alenitchev lfittl 12:00 gnomefreak Seveas: sharms2 also 12:00 mako alright 12:00 mako alenitchev: you're next in line 12:00 alenitchev Hello 12:00 alenitchev My name is Dmitri Alenitchev. I'm 19 years old and live in Moscow region, Russia. At present moment i work in small software company, "Digital Worlds J.S.C." at System Administrator position. In my work i use Free and Open Source software. 12:01 alenitchev Since 2000 year i use GNU/Linux as my primary OS. Also, i use FreeBSD and OpenBSD. My contribution to Open Source project was started from packaging and documentation works for Russian RPM-based Linux distribution - ALTLinux. I make some works for another RPM distribution - Fedora Core Linux. My first translations to Russian language i make for Fedora Core. Since summer, 2005 I'm official GNU Webmaster. Also, i make some works for various GNU 12:01 alenitchev projects. 12:01 Seveas mako, err, Sp4rKy was... 12:01 alenitchev Since 2005 year i become maintainer of `manpages-ru' package in Debian, included in Ubuntu. In this year i start making works for OpenOffice.org (documentation, translation and QA). 12:01 Sp4rKy I'm Maxence DUNNEWIND ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaxenceDunnewind ) , actually i try to help a lot of people on IRC (mainly at #ubuntu-fr / #ubuntu-fr-testing) . I also start with packaging few weeks ago, and my first package (yerinia) has been accepted today in universe repositories. I hope i'll could help many people with ubuntu or convert some of them from Windows to Ubuntu (i coach a Free software && Linux training in few d 12:01 Sp4rKy ays). I hope to create more package and maybe help new packagers and why not become a MOTU. I'm actually working on a enlightenment DR17 repository for Ubuntu. === juantao_ [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 12:01 alenitchev My interests in Ubuntu is participating in works for better hardware support, packaging, translation in Russian language, documentation, QA. I think about 3-5 hours work for Ubuntu every day. 12:01 mako ergh. sorry 12:01 bddebian Ack my eyes 12:01 Seveas ah well, we now had both intros === nixternal faints 12:02 mako umm.. Sp4rKy lets go ahead with you since you were next in line 12:02 Sp4rKy k 12:02 Sp4rKy do you see my intro ? 12:03 mako yes 12:03 mako any testimonials? 12:03 Toadstool yep 12:03 Sp4rKy yes gloubiboulga at wiki 12:03 Sp4rKy toadstool 12:03 Sp4rKy and maybe bddebian 12:03 jenda I've seen Sp4rKy help out on IRC quite a bit. 12:03 Toadstool Sp4rKy is of great help on #ubuntu-fr and #ubuntu-fr-testing 12:03 Toadstool and he's started packaging a few weeks ago and he's doing a great job 12:04 bddebian Aye, Sp4rKy has bene working on packaging 12:04 Sp4rKy yep 12:04 Sp4rKy yersinia , my first package, was just accepted to Universe :) 12:04 mako i saw the two on the wiki 12:05 mako Sp4rKy: how long have you been active in ubuntu? 12:05 mako Sp4rKy: how long have you been doing packaging stuff? 12:05 Sp4rKy i'm active at IRC since about 2 years 12:05 Sp4rKy i've wrote my first french tutorial 1year ago 12:05 Sp4rKy and i've started packaging since about 2/3 month ago 12:06 Sp4rKy and actually works on some packages 12:06 Sp4rKy and an e17 repository 12:06 mako right 12:07 mako well, a little more documentation would be nice 12:07 mako but i'm happy approving Sp4rKy for membership === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:07 mako and i just got a call from the person i am standing up for a meeting right now 12:08 mako so i'm going to have to disappear 12:08 mako if Kamion or elmo can guide through the rest of this, i'm happy to put in my 2cents later 12:08 mako otherwise, we'll have to pick up later 12:08 nixternal take care mako, and thanks for listening!!! === mako apologizes === DBO [n=DBO@cpe-71-65-3-1.twmi.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["I] 12:08 elmo mako: thanks 12:08 Kamion I'm happy with Sp4rKy too 12:08 elmo yeah, +1 from me 12:08 mako see you all next time guys 12:08 mako Sp4rKy: welcome! :) 12:09 jenda later 12:09 mako and goodbye :) 12:09 gnomefreak later mako 12:09 Seveas ciao mako 12:09 elmo who's left to do? 12:09 elmo (that's here) 12:09 lfittl me === nixternal is 12:09 Toadstool congratulations Sp4rKy ! === alenitchev is here === sharms2 is here 12:09 Sp4rKy thanx mako Kamion elmo ! 12:09 bddebian Yeah Sp4rKy 12:09 Sp4rKy thanx CC 12:09 Sp4rKy thx bddebian Toadstool !!! 12:09 bddebian OK guys I have to run but: 12:09 Sp4rKy and gloubi of course 12:09 bddebian nixternal+ 12:09 nixternal thx bddebian 12:09 bddebian sharms2+ 12:09 Sp4rKy (and jenda too ) 12:09 jenda 12:09 jenda let's move ;) 12:09 elmo ok, 4 more. guys, you can either postpoone till next time, or we can talk to you now and have mako vote later after catching up on the logs 12:10 nixternal now ;) 12:10 alenitchev now 12:10 lfittl now would be better 12:10 bddebian Oh and lfittl+ ( I see his name all over :-) ) 12:10 Kamion ok 12:10 lfittl bddebian: thanks :) 12:10 sharms2 bddebian: thank you 12:10 elmo ok, alenitchev I think you're next on the list 12:10 elmo alenitchev: wanna do your intro? 12:11 alenitchev ok 12:11 alenitchev My name is Dmitri Alenitchev. I'm 19 years old and live in Moscow region, Russia. At present moment i work in small software company, "Digital Worlds J.S.C." at System Administrator position. In my work i use Free and Open Source software. 12:11 alenitchev Since 2000 year i use GNU/Linux as my primary OS. Also, i use FreeBSD and OpenBSD. My contribution to Open Source project was started from packaging and documentation works for Russian RPM-based Linux distribution - ALTLinux. I make some works for another RPM distribution - Fedora Core Linux. My first translations to Russian language i make for Fedora Core. Since summer, 2005 I'm official GNU Webmaster. Also, i make some works for various GNU 12:11 alenitchev projects. 12:11 alenitchev Since 2005 year i become maintainer of `manpages-ru' package in Debian, included in Ubuntu. In this year i start making works for OpenOffice.org (documentation, translation and QA). 12:11 alenitchev My interests in Ubuntu is participating in works for better hardware support, packaging, translation in Russian language, documentation, QA. I think about 3-5 hours work for Ubuntu every day. 12:11 alenitchev use Ubuntu since Warty 12:11 alenitchev since breezy my package (from Debian) in Ubuntu 12:12 alenitchev that is all ;) 12:13 Kamion that's a lot of teams (on launchpad); how many of those do you actively keep up with? 12:13 alenitchev many of them 12:14 alenitchev i'm in team, which interested for me === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sryan [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 12:15 Kamion just seems like a hell of a lot to actively keep up with, that's all :) 12:16 Kamion no real problems though, you seem to have been making reasonable contributions for a while 12:16 elmo yeah, I agree 12:16 alenitchev thanks 12:17 Kamion maybe one day we'll get around to music-while-installing ;-) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:17 alenitchev that will be really nice! ;) 12:17 Kamion (though I expect it'll end up being Mark's flash demo or whatever) 12:17 Kamion (once the content actually exists and free software can play it without crashing and burning entertainingly) === jenda will turn up his stereo louder 12:18 alenitchev Kamion: yes, can 12:18 Kamion anyhow, +1 as far as I'm concerned; mako can catch up with you later on for final approval 12:19 alenitchev Kamion: thanks 12:19 elmo ok, who's next 12:19 elmo nixternal, I think? 12:19 nixternal im still here 12:19 nixternal hehe 12:19 nixternal go go go === nixternal is Rich Johnson, 32 years old, out of Chicago, IL US. I am a sys admin by trade, and getting ready to go back to school to brush up on programming!!! 12:19 nixternal Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nixternal | launchpad: https://launchpad.net/people/nixternal 12:19 nixternal Been using/abusing Linux since 1994 (on & off). Started playing with Ubuntu last year, and fell in love really starting with Kubuntu Dapper Flight 3. 12:19 nixternal I have been in and out of the IRC channel with many different nicks over the past year, however since April/May I have been 'nixternal' in #kubuntu offering support as much as possible. 12:19 nixternal I am also in the NewUserNetwork which runs a classroom for the new user and their Ubuntu Linux operating system. Starting in August we will be running actual classes for everyone to check out. I will be adding myself as a mentor/instructor for a couple of programs. 12:20 nixternal I have contributed a lot to many wiki pages, as I work on the WikiTeam. My main contributions have been in the CategoryCleanup area, cleaning up pages that aren't styled correctly, or the information is confusing. I have done over 100 pages so far, and there is still more then 300 left. 12:20 nixternal DocumentationTeam work consists of helping the team review documentation, as I am not a full fledged member just yet, and I am still learning the svn system as well as docbooks. However, I am working alongside jjesse and others on creating "Switching From Windows" documentation. 12:20 nixternal Marketing Team work right now is huge, as we are redesigning ourselves. I am currently working on Wiki redesign for all Marketing pages, as well as the Magazine project. I am also working on documentation/presentations for members to use for Marketing as well as for the LoCo Teams. 12:20 nixternal Laptop team work is currently pretty slow as we are waiting for the first Knot really to begin testing again. I have contributed a Kubuntu Dapper test for Flight 7 and the LTS. I will continue providing support in the IRC channel as well. 12:20 Seveas nixternal, ah, so the NuN/classroom is going somewhere, cool! 12:20 nixternal BugSquad work will definitely keep you busy. I have done triage, minor in aspect, as I haven't created a patch just yet, but I have done the general work by responding to the poster, asking for more information if needed, and confirming if possible. 12:20 nixternal Chicago Team is keeping me pretty busy as it is a very new team. We are officially holding our first meeting July 27. I will be giving a couple presentations as well as a few of our other members. Membership is continuing to grow daily, and we are planning an event downtown Chicago soon. 12:20 jenda Rich Johnson's contribution and support in the Marketing Team was invaluable. Added his involvement in the NUN, WikiTeam, DocTeam etc., but mainly the Chicago LoCo Team - he is an extremely valuable asset to the Ubuntu community, and if every LoCo had one of these, Ubuntu Marketing would probably be on a totally different level by now. 12:20 nixternal I am becoming more and more of a forums leach. I have supported a couple of things in both the Ubuntu and Kubuntu forums. I am trying to work my way up the proverbial "Cups of Java" ladder, of course without spamming to gain points ;) 12:20 gnomefreak Seveas: so far we hope to get it moving 12:20 nixternal My future plans are to continue supporting the Ubuntu community anyway possible. I am interested in future programming and packaging, as well as documentation, testing, reviewing, marketing, bug triaging, and everything else I am available to do. 12:20 nixternal Thank you, and now the floor is open to you!!! 12:20 nixternal yes Seveas 12:21 nixternal now that my lag is at 2s ;) 12:22 nixternal there is more that you will find me doing... i believe jjesse also emailed Seveas with support 12:22 nixternal i am in to many channgels to count, and when i can help i step up if possible 12:22 bimberi I've seen nixternal helping people in #kubuntu for quite a while (>>2 months). Of other areas I'm involved with he's an active contributor to ubuntu-marketing, ubuntu-doc and it seeems he's a (the?) prime mover for the Chicago LoCoTeam. Enthusiastic, Smart, a Do-er. A real asset. 12:23 nixternal i figure that if Ubuntu is free to me, then I should help as much as possible to continue it 12:23 Seveas nixternal, dang 12:23 Seveas I will not be able to make it to the next meeting to pass on a word of recommendation for Rich but wanted to lend what support maybe. He has been quite active on many channels including #kubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-doc adding interesting things to the converstation. We are working together on creating a new document (wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs/Edgy) Switching From Windows for edgy and have had l 12:23 Seveas ots of discussion. He has also been VERY VERY active on the Wiki doing a lot of cleanup and other thankless tasks. A great candidate for becoming a Ubuntu Member. I know how hard it is to become a member without support so I wanted to lend any help that I can. 12:23 Seveas ^-- jjesse sent that two weeks ago 12:23 nixternal hehe 12:23 Seveas completely forgot it this time 12:23 nixternal thx Seveas 12:23 nixternal thank god he CC'd me, otherwise i wouldn't have known 12:23 gnomefreak nixternal: is doing a great job with -marketing and -nun and i have seen him step up when hes around to help another user 12:23 nixternal also, im getting ready to help jsgotangco on a "Server Book" project he has coming up 12:24 nixternal i will be providing a review to the publisher 12:24 Seveas nixternal, /me too 12:24 elmo ok 12:24 nixternal im picking up packaging, as I read it to help out LaserJock with editing it 12:25 elmo thanks nixternal, that all seems pretty impressive 12:25 nixternal thank you 12:25 elmo +1 from me 12:25 Kamion (catching up, one sec) 12:25 nixternal hehe 12:25 Seveas who is doing lp today? Sp4rKy is not accepted yet on lp 12:25 nixternal CoC is signed, karma >10k 12:25 nixternal been here a few months 12:26 nixternal staying here for as long as you will keep me ;) 12:26 Kamion yup, having read that, no issues - +1 12:27 Kamion elmo: will you do lp or do you want me to? 12:27 Seveas nixternal, almost congratz then (make will read later) 12:27 Seveas sharms2, you're next 12:27 nixternal make..lol mako 12:27 nixternal hahah 12:27 elmo Kamion: I can do it === sharms2 is here 12:27 Kamion ta 12:27 nixternal thanks everyone!!! 12:27 sharms2 I am Steven Harms. My wiki page (create to spec with the requirements listed :): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StevenHarms, and I am applying for Ubuntu Membership. I have been using Ubuntu since it first came out (in fact my forums user ID is < 600). 12:27 sharms2 I frequently help users on #ubuntu, I have recently taken an active role in bug triage, and am looking to eventually join the MOTU. 12:27 sharms2 I also act as a Ubuntu support / advocate on the campus of the university of michigan, and provide ubuntu cd's to students (I generally distribute ~30 a release) 12:27 sharms2 I am looking to increase my roll in bug triage, because I feel it is one of the best ways to help ubuntu by filtering bugs which are not bugs, and confirming the ones that are bugs, so people directly involved may actually fix said bugs. 12:28 sharms2 I thank you for taking the time to look over my wiki page and appreciate your time 12:28 Seveas sharms, what's your forum profilepage? 12:29 sharms2 one sec 12:29 sharms2 http://www.ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=330 12:30 sharms2 On a side note, for the freenode ofth discussion, I was previously known as mindwarp here until my nickname was stolen === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 12 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 07:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 19:00 UTC: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 13:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 19 Jul 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu 12:31 sharms2 Here is my mouse howto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=192264 12:31 sharms2 for those using the usb microsoft explorer mouse with forward and back buttons (firefox) 12:33 elmo hmm, did you have anyone vouching for you? 12:33 sharms2 bddebian 12:33 sharms2 he has seen me help people in #ubuntu 12:33 sharms2 but mostly just that I bug triage right now, which doesnt have a ton of interaction over here 12:33 elmo ok 12:34 nixternal #ubuntu-bugs is where us bug sickos hang out!! 12:34 sharms2 :) 12:36 sharms2 Also I am hoping to take over the istanbul package eventaully 12:36 sharms2 been working on it but I think gstreamer needs more polish at this point since certain pipes segfault here 12:36 elmo sharms: how long have you been doing bug triage and stuff? 12:37 sharms2 Last few months I have started triaging very actively, previously due to an already reported launchpad bug I wasn't able to find how to properly triage bugs 12:38 elmo ok 12:38 Kamion ok, your page is a little light compared to some others tonight, but you do seem to have been doing a fairly respectable amount of bug work === popey [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pontifex [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:39 elmo agreed, +1 from me 12:39 sharms2 thank you very much 12:39 elmo ok, lfittl ? 12:40 Kamion I recommend continuing to work with the #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-motu crowds 12:40 Kamion who can help you develop 12:40 Kamion but +1 from me for membership for the time being 12:40 lfittl My name is Lukas Fittl, I'm a student from Vienna, Austria. 12:40 lfittl I have started using Ubuntu with 5.04 / Hoary, and with the start of the dapper release cycle I got interested in packaging. At the moment I maintain 10 packages in universe, and for one package I am also part of upstream (libloki). For Dapper I fixed around 60 unmet dependencies in universe. If I find some free time I triage bugs in Malone, and I also review old bug reports that are still open to ensure they have the cor 12:40 lfittl rect status. Recently I added a new column to the packaging candidates page, to make tracking the debian status and existing packages easier. 12:40 sharms2 I appreciate the advice thank you 12:40 lfittl More information can be found at my wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukasFittl). 12:40 Kamion excuse me, I have a crying child to attend to 12:40 lfittl k === GStubbs43 [n=GStubbs4@pool-72-73-93-252.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["I] === chuck_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:43 Kamion right, sorry, back 12:43 elmo wow, impressive amount of packaging work 12:43 lfittl np 12:44 lfittl elmo: thanks, I also have some other packages on my todo list ;) 12:44 Kamion we seriously need to get uploads into the karma system 12:45 lfittl yep 12:45 elmo oh, good point, I'll file a bug on soyuz 12:45 LaserJock \o/ 12:45 lfittl elmo: I think this is already planned somewhere in the wiki 12:45 elmo lfittl: bugs help reinforce planning ;) 12:46 lfittl elmo: thats right :) 12:46 Kamion https://launchpad.net/products/soyuz/+spec/soyuz-karma 12:46 lfittl :) 12:46 elmo any MOTUs still around and want to do their \o/ dance for lfittl? 12:47 LaserJock lfittl has been around -motu for some time 12:47 ogra dholbach sponsored a lot for lfittl and was always happy with the package quality as he often told me 12:47 Kamion cool, that spec proposes enormous karma for archive admins, rah 12:47 Kamion *ahem* 12:47 LaserJock I haven't sponsored any of lfittl's packages so I can't say much there 12:47 ogra seems he keeps our windowmaker community happy ;) === Flik [n=Flik@d205-250-156-195.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:49 elmo +1 from me 12:49 lfittl thank you :) 12:51 Kamion right, +1 for sheer packaging effort 12:52 Kamion I've seen your name going past for some time now 12:52 lfittl also, thanks :) 12:53 lfittl should I contact mako to get his opinion, or will he automatically catch up? 12:54 alenitchev yes, what about mako's opinion? 12:54 elmo we'll send him a a mail asking him to look at the logs for you 4 when he gets a chance 12:54 lfittl k 12:54 elmo if he has any concerns, we can deal with them, otherwise, you'll be approved when he's had a chance to do that 12:55 elmo we'll also have to schedule the next meeting out of band. but mark should be back for the next one 12:55 alenitchev ok, thanks! 12:55 lfittl thanks for your time 12:55 sharms I really appreciate it guys also 12:55 Kamion ok, sorry this has been such a marathon meeting 12:56 sharms it shows dedication! 12:56 Kamion (not been any easier for us than for you guys) 12:56 elmo yeah, thanks everyone for your patience 12:56 alenitchev thanks for your time! 12:56 elmo meeting closed. adjourned. whatever. thank you and good night.