DapperDev_2005-12-01
09:03 mdz good morning
09:03 JaneW hi mdz
09:03 ogra hey mdz
09:04 fabbione dholbach: right :)
09:04 JaneW we have appologies from mvo (hockey practice) and infinity (not
feeling well)
09:04 mdz is everyone else here?
09:04 ogra we pretend to, yes
09:04 jbailey Just us dwarves. =)
09:04 JaneW I got advance updates from both, so will represent them
09:04 ogra hehe
09:04 Keybuk I'm not.
09:04 Keybuk Kamion isn't back yet?
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09:04 JaneW is kamion here?
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09:04 JaneW and BenC?
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09:05 JaneW I had no word from daniels this week...
09:05 mdz daniels is on holiday this week
09:05 mdz Kamion,seb128,doko,Riddell,BenC: ping
09:06 JaneW seb is here
09:06 Riddell I'm at OSDL just now, will try to keep an eye on this window
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09:06 JaneW and doko
09:06 seb128 mdz: ping
09:06 seb128 ups
09:06 seb128 pong
09:06 doko pong
09:06 Riddell daniels is somewhere around, jdub is about to give a talk
09:07 Kamion hello
09:07 JaneW hi Kamion
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09:07 ogra wow
09:07 dholbach Kamion: can we congratulate? :)
09:07 ogra family car ?
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09:07 janimo or a kamion?
09:07 Kamion perhaps somewhere where it isn't hideously off-topic ;)
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09:08 JaneW are we ready to start?
09:08 mdz missing only BenC
09:08 ogra BenC is still missing ...
09:08 mdz sent him an SMS
09:08 ogra so lets go bottom to top today then :)
09:08 mdz let's start rather than waiting
09:08 iwj start> Yes please :-).
09:09 Mithrandir ogra: community people first, wasn't it?
09:09 ogra heh, yup ...
09:09 mdz by reverse order of first name, then ;-)
09:09 mdz Mithrandir: I think you're first
09:09 Kamion yes, community first, we had problems last week
09:09 Kamion because people couldn't stay around for the whole meeting
09:09 JaneW is sivang, lathiat or krstic here?
09:09 ogra is sivang here ?
09:10 iwj If they're not here now we can slot them in if they happen to turn
up.
09:10 dholbach i pinged lathiat
09:10 mdz Kamion: people who can't stay around for the meeting can send in
status updates via email if that's all they want to do
09:10 JaneW those 3 are the only 3 on the list so far, and mjg59...
09:10 iwj They might want to talk about their items.
09:10 mdz we're 1/5th through the meeting and have accomplished nothing so
far. time to get started.
09:10 mdz Mithrandir: go
09:11 JaneW I think we should go on
09:11 Mithrandir openoffice-amd64: no progress
live-cd-performance: bootchart-udeb uploaded, main inclusion report
09:11 Mithrandir is written and review asked for, will add to d-i lists once it's in
main. Need to investigate size of bootchart + deps for live seed,
we might want that in.
09:11 Mithrandir one-true-path: no progress
09:11 Mithrandir livecd-unionfs: no progress
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media-integrity-check: in the archive, waiting for syslinux boot
09:11 Mithrandir menu resolution, but looking good. Might need some template
adjustments
09:11 Mithrandir network-authentication: no progress, I've been thinking about how to
do it, but nothing solid yet.
This week: a lot of faff and merges, got dragged into a bunch of d-i
09:11 Mithrandir stuff when some kbd-chooser breakage was discovered and I spent time
cleaning that up, live-cd-performance and media-integrity-check are
both looking good and approximately on schedule.
09:11 Mithrandir Next week: some vacation, Fix up the d-i stuff I've been working on
(kbd-chooser). Look at getting one-true-path implemented.
09:11 Mithrandir Blockers: media-integrity-check blocked on syslinux menu, but apart
from that, nothing
09:11 Mithrandir s/Blockers/Blocked on/
09:12 mdz Mithrandir: livecd-unionfs is approximately blocked on
simplified-livecd
09:12 Kamion (the kbd-chooser stuff is needed for ubuntu-express-base-system)
09:12 mdz Mithrandir: it is looking increasingly like I won't have time to do
that properly. how do you feel about taking it on?
09:12 Mithrandir mdz: I haven't read the spec, give me a few minutes to skim it?
09:13 mdz JaneW: Mithrandir and me to discuss simplified-livecd later
09:13 mdz seb128: you're next
09:13 JaneW ok
09:13 seb128 menus-revisited: no update this week (todo: oo.o2 to upload)
09:13 seb128 rhythmbox-ipod: fixed libgpod according to pitti's comments, got it
promoted, updated rhythmbox to the new 0.9.2 using it
09:13 seb128 faster-gnome-startup: gconf transition is done/ok
09:13 seb128 dapper-desktop-plan: started to look on changes, spoke with desktop
team/upstream about some of them.
09:13 seb128 video-playback: no update this week (still waiting for gst0.10)
09:13 seb128 misc: desktop bug triage, syncs, fixed GNOME packages for
firefox1.5, some new GNOME updates/sync with Debian
09:13 seb128 next week: dapper-desktop plan, continue the desktop bug triage
09:13 mdz seb128: what remains for faster-gnome-startup?
09:14 seb128 not a lot
09:14 mdz to be finished next week then?
09:14 seb128 probably
09:14 mdz ok
09:14 mdz Keybuk: next
09:14 Keybuk udev-roadmap: done, uploaded, the big bugs shaken out.
hardware-activation: beginning, alsa, hdparm and networking to
09:14 Keybuk become udev events; ntpdate to become if-up.d script. those are the
most tested and easy to do.
streamlined-boot: planned on my whiteboard, need to dump onto
09:14 Keybuk wiki. mostly moving rcS stuff about a bit and removing some
extraneous messages
09:14 Keybuk network-magic: no progress.
09:14 Keybuk misc: one merge remaining (sysvinit, to be done with
streamlined-boot). dpkg conffile handling still to fix.
09:15 iwj Do you want me to `help' with the dpkg conffile thing ?
09:15 mdz Keybuk: remember to get that -devel-announce email out
09:15 Keybuk yup, I'll send that out this evening
09:15 mdz Keybuk: that should go out today; we've already broken things
09:15 mdz ok
09:16 Keybuk iwj: I already have the fix, just need to get around to testing and
uploading
09:16 mdz ok
09:16 mdz ogra: next
09:16 iwj OK. In general feel free to bother me.
09:16 ogra * thin-client-sound: initscript for the client side and package work
done locally, spec pending.
09:16 ogra * thin-client-local-devices: no further work yet, spec still in
drafting.
* thin-client-memory-usage: was waiting for the new
09:16 ogra initramfs/udev/kernel architecture for modlue blacklist testing,
spec pending.
09:16 ogra * thin-client-faster-startup: mainly bug hunting in the new
initramfs, works fine now, thanks Keybuk, spec pending.
09:16 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no further work done yet, package
ready so far, need images.
* general: waved in the multiarch-client patch and uploaded bzr
09:16 ogra branch for mdz inspection. gobby main inclusion report for edubuntu
done (looks like we'll get gobby 0.3.0 exclusively for ubuntu
according to pkern (upstream and DD)).
last weeks goals: requested changes to ldm done and sent to mdz,
thin-client sound initscript done, packge data for ltsp-sound
(changes to control and rules file) added (locally not yet online)
09:16 ogra in bzr, etherboot: mknbi seems not to produce usable images (only
tested with breezy yet) needs further investigation (also with the
new kernel), liveCD filesystem prepared but waits for
ubuntu-desktop/edubuntu-desktop being installable, xscreensaver
merge
done, selected hacks in xscreensaver-data are working with
gnome-screensaver now. mailed gnome-screensaver upstream (will
provide a patch for lockscreen), edubuntu ready for flight2
09:16 ogra (considering to drop kino from the desktop since video on ltsp
clients sucks), all merge bugs done o far, will propose to drop
gtk-qt-engines its not supportable for 3 years, upstream works very
slow and doesnt fix bugs (not even the ones with patches) it seems,
gnome
09:16 ogra -screensaver not in main yet, will wait until after flight 2 and for
(#3044).
* next weeks goals: find out the bugs and fix the Xorg autodetection
on thin clients, finish the ltsp sound stuff, fix what mdz sends
back to me of my ldm/multiarch stuff, do the xscreensaver hack split
09:16 ogra for #3044, finally get gnome-screnesaver to main, inspect the
mknbi/etherboot problem, get the liveCD ready and test edubuntu
fledgling1 (dapper flight 2) live and install, start working on
hwdb-client changes, inspect changes that have to be done
09:16 ogra to edubuntu-artwork for dapper.
09:17 mdz ogra: isn't there a spec associated with gnome-screensaver
integration (not the image one)?
09:18 ogra mdz, we decided at ubz that we'll drop it
09:18 seb128 ogra: could you use screensaver-list when you mail gnome-screensaver
upstream?
09:18 ogra since is a general item thats done every release
09:18 ogra seb128, will do
09:18 seb128 cool
09:18 mdz ogra: we who? please keep it active for tracking purposes
09:18 mdz there are several subsidiary tasks associated with it
09:18 ogra mdz, JaneW, jdub, etc ...
09:19 ogra mdz, the spec was about the lock dialog.... where there was
consensus that it just should be reverted upstream
09:19 ogra i.e. look like the breezy one or like it looked before they made
changes for us
09:19 mdz JaneW: ogra, me, sbalneav to discuss local devices. it doesn't look
like this is going to make it for dapper
09:20 mdz ogra: I mean the transition from xscreensaver to gnome-screensaver
09:20 ogra mdz, yup ...
09:20 JaneW mdz: erk, ok
09:20 mdz JaneW: it's big and complicated and still not well specified yet
09:20 mdz JaneW: do you have a snippet from mvo?
09:21 JaneW yes
ogra: (alpha CD branding for derivatives typically tracks the real
09:21 Kamion one to avoid hideous confusion on cdimage, so I'd prefer "Edubuntu
Flight CD 2")
09:21 JaneW mvo: * the usual dance of mail/bug triage/irc
09:21 JaneW * upload new apt/python-apt/gdebi + all depenencies (apt abi break)
09:21 JaneW * gdebi is in the archive, that means one bit of the
3rdPartyPackages
09:21 JaneW spec is implemented (still needs testing)
09:21 JaneW [Support for packages by third parties in external repos]
09:21 JaneW * build a package for unattended-upgrades script, not yet integrated
09:21 JaneW into the APT::Periodic system
09:21 JaneW [Unattended package upgrades]
09:21 JaneW * started with the dist-upgrade tool, extended/cleaned up
09:21 JaneW update-manager (u-m is responsible for detecting new releases and
09:21 JaneW downloading the actual script)
09:21 JaneW it detects new releases now, can download/display release notes
and
09:21 JaneW download/extract the upgrade script tarball (+ cleaning up
09:21 JaneW afterwards).
09:21 JaneW * some more bits of python-apt supported where needed for the
09:21 JaneW update-manager changes
09:21 JaneW * cmd-not-found magic work with zyga, we have a package now for it,
a
09:22 JaneW (small) patch for bash was submited to make integration smoother
09:22 JaneW * changed language selector to implement the LanguagePackVsSupport
09:22 JaneW spec (together with pitti)
09:22 JaneW * update-notifier does not start when there is a admin group on the
09:22 mdz JaneW: please ask him to organize by spec name for clarity next time
09:22 JaneW system but the user is not part of it, implemented my parts of the
09:22 JaneW HideAdminTools spec [HideAdminTools]
09:22 JaneW Will do:
09:22 JaneW * more work on the dist-upgrade tool, the actual dist-upgrade code
09:22 JaneW comes next
09:22 JaneW * 3rd party packages channel work
09:22 JaneW * integrate unattended upgrades script into the APT::Periodic system
09:22 JaneW mdz: yes agreed
09:22 ogra Kamion, fine with me ...
09:23 mdz ok, sounds good
09:23 mdz doko: ready?
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09:23 doko this week:
09:23 doko - toolchain-roadmap: gcc updates (3.4.5 final, 4.0 in a state
allowing KDE to build on hppa), amd64-biarch blocked by glibc
09:23 doko - python-roadmap: python merges, started python-central update
09:23 doko - openoffice.org: started merging / updating to version 2.0.1.
09:23 doko - java-roadmap: merges done by charles, two left.
09:23 doko next week:
09:23 doko - toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch, when ready
09:23 doko - python-roadmap: python-central, start converting packages in main,
get rid of python2.3 (start it ...)
09:23 doko - openoffice.org: try to build a first package. feedback for
gnome-integration needed
09:23 Mithrandir doko: are you doing the ooo-amd64 stuff as well? It's a fairly easy
change, I'd imagine?
09:24 pitti doko: what's the last point about?
09:24 mdz doko: what's python-central?
09:24 pitti doko: build OO.o 2.0.1?
09:24 doko Mithrandir: I can do that, but after the i386 package
09:24 seb128 doko: I'll send you a patch for oo.o2/menus-revisited, ping me
before doing an upload
09:24 doko mdz: python-central let's us get rid of the pythonX.Y packages
09:24 Mithrandir doko: I can do it if you're busy, but if you could ping me when you
have the i386 package ready, that'd be useful?
09:25 doko Mithrandir: yes, I'll ping you, if I have something
09:25 doko pitti: yes
09:25 dholbach seb128: i think gnome integration is more about clipboard
functionality, or is that resolved already?
09:25 Mithrandir doko: thanks.
09:25 Kamion pythonX.Y-* that is ...
09:25 seb128 dholbach: I don't use oo.o2 and I don't know anything about it, so
dunno if they fixed their bugs :)
09:25 pitti that should make it easier to drop python versions in the future?
09:25 doko exactly
09:25 mdz pitti: add and drop, yes
09:26 pitti yay
09:26 mdz pitti: see python-roadmap
09:26 dholbach doko: what feedback for gnome-integration are you looking for?
09:26 doko dholbach: just email to mdz
09:27 mdz hmm?
09:27 dholbach i don't fully understand
09:27 seb128 dholbach: clipboard is a fd.o spec btw
09:27 dholbach seb128: that was just one issue i could think of
09:27 dholbach (having read bugs about it :()
09:27 seb128 dholbach: I don't know what you are talking about, just replying to
your comment about clipboard issue ...
09:27 mdz Mithrandir: you seem to have 5 merges outstanding; anything blocking
those from being completed this week?
09:28 Keybuk Riddell has 17 merges outstanding, 7 of which date to before dapper
opened
09:28 mdz doko: likewise for you, 5 merges
09:28 ogra i'm working on kino, will update the bug
09:28 doko mdz: no, two. three are pending
09:28 Kamion I only see one for Mithrandir
09:28 Kamion unless my search is b0rked
09:28 mdz doko: they aren't done until they're in the archive
09:29 mdz Kamion: mailman, sane-backends, xml-crimson, ia32-libs, courier
09:29 doko mdz: syncs are requested
09:29 Mithrandir mdz: no, nothing blocking that. One of them is a FTBFS when merging
(xml-crimson), but the others are easy enough.
=== ajmitch has no main merges if you need someone else to assign them to :)
09:29 mdz Mithrandir: ok
09:29 mdz mjg59: you here?
09:29 Kamion I'm searching for alias matches ^merge-
09:29 mdz Kamion: I used alias substring "merge-"
09:29 pitti Kamion: I just search for 'Debian', that's usually quite fine
09:29 Mithrandir mdz: I'm debian maintainer (or co-maintainer) for mailman and
ia32-libs, so those aren't crucial, but I'll get them done anyway.
09:30 doko gjdoc is blocked (FTBFS), will do openoffice-dictionaries after the
oo2 packages
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09:30 mdz doko: can gjdoc be resolved tomorrow?
09:30 doko Mithrandir: ia32-libs is/should be blocked by amd64 glibc
09:30 Kamion thanks to people for responding to my no doubt incessant nagging
about merges
09:30 doko mdz: no, it's a compiler regression, fixed in 4.1
09:30 jbailey doko, Which is a next-week task. It's in my update when my turn
comes. =)
09:30 mdz Kamion: thanks for incessantly nagging
09:31 mdz doko: argh
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09:31 mdz doko: please note in bugzilla if you haven't already
09:31 doko mdz: already done
09:31 mdz ok
09:31 mdz pitti: go
hide-admin-tools-to-users: DONE: design decision was taken, sudo
09:31 pitti changes reverted; discussed further actions with seb128, who wants
to do/coordinate the rest
09:31 pitti belocs-locales: DONE: fully implemented, new glibc, locales, and
langpacks are in the archive
language-pack-vs-support: DONE: mvo implemented langselector
09:31 pitti changes; PLAN: installer needs string change, then it's complete
(something for Kamion, bug is filed)
automatic-printer-conf: PLAN: much harder than expected in the spec,
09:32 pitti start upstream discussion about hal support and detecting
unconfigured printers
reducing-duplication: DONE: db4.1, krb4, are in universe, ucs-snmp
09:32 pitti about to go (if the hppa buildd condescends to build cyrus21-imapd);
checked db4.2 removal, it's hard
09:32 pitti gstreamer-audio-backend: BLOCK: gstreamer 0.10 for creating the
alsadmixsink
automated-problem-reports: BLOCK: approval from Keybuk, would
09:32 pitti appreciate opinions from other people, too (elmo, Kamion, mdz) since
this is very intrusive
merges: DONE: non-blocked merges are finished, remaining ones are
09:32 pitti stalled by external reasons; BLOCK: tbird l10n packages for tbird
1.5, cdrecord for upstream version regression
langpacks-desktopfiles: nothing done, no time; PLAN: zyga has some
09:32 pitti patches, apply and test them; if performance regressions are
negigible, upload, else this requires further discussion
09:32 mdz pitti,seb128: hide-admin was not on seb128's list earlier
09:32 pitti rosetta-firefox-support, pmount-uber-alles, firewall: no change
since last week
09:32 pitti plan for tomorrow: catch up with the huge amount of main inclusion
reports, people start killing me about them
09:32 ogra mdz, it was in breezy ...
09:32 mdz seb128: are you going to take it over?
09:32 ogra SoC afaik ...
09:32 pitti mdz: he wanted to do the rest...
09:32 seb128 mdz: there is a small gnome-menus patch to update and desktop files
to change than is a 10s job that I can do during normal upload
09:33 seb128 s/than/that/
09:33 mdz seb128: ok, just wasn't on your list for next week
09:33 pitti mdz: the spec should be reassigned to seb128 now, maybe?
09:33 seb128 yeah, forgot about it
09:33 mdz pitti: yes, ok
09:33 mdz pitti: if launchpad lets you, do it, otherwise bug me
09:33 pitti mdz: and belocs-locales should be mine
09:33 pitti mdz: I can't reassign
09:33 mdz pitti: ok, bug me about that later too
09:34 pitti will do
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09:34 mdz pitti: decision has been taken to defer automated-problem-reports
09:34 pitti ok
09:34 JaneW let me know what changes from who to who and I'll do it.
09:34 mdz pitti: if there is a third party interested in working on it as a
bounty, great, otherwise it's too much
09:34 mdz pitti: ok, bug JaneW instead :-)
09:34 pitti mdz: right, but it would be nice to approve the spec
09:35 mdz pitti: yes, but we have other priorities right no
09:35 mdz w
09:35 pitti mdz: but without an approved spec we can't even bounty it
09:35 mdz pitti: please note in bugzilla status whiteboard where merges are
blocked
09:35 pitti mdz: ok, will do
09:36 mdz Riddell: there?
09:36 Riddell briefly
09:36 Riddell KDE 3.5 packaging and merges and libstdc++ transition and rosetta
support
09:36 seb128 pitti: is that the spec about getting debug backtraces
automagically?
09:36 Riddell next week, finishing all that off especially merges, update seeds,
simplify-kde
09:36 pitti seb128: yes
09:37 Riddell also moving kubuntu-express to review seems to have slipped my mind
so I'll make sure to remember that
09:37 seb128 pitti: grumpf, that would really make bug work easier to get this
one done
09:37 mdz Riddell: you have ~16 outstanding merges, need to get those
completed ASAP
09:37 Riddell mdz: scheduled foras soon as I get back
09:37 mdz Riddell: there are also unresolved kubuntu-related anastacia items
09:37 ogra or assigned to someone else
09:38 mdz Riddell: and remember to merge ubuntu->kubuntu seeds
09:38 dholbach Riddell: you want me to help with the merges?
mdz: pitti and I have been doing that fairly regularly as part of
09:38 Kamion things we're doing anyway (like getting other stuff out of main, or
udev-roadmap, etc.)
09:38 pitti mdz: I merged the seeds today, FYI
09:38 Riddell mdz: amarok is waiting on libarts-akode moving to main
09:38 Kamion (not to say Riddell shouldn't be doing it routinely, but)
09:39 Riddell mdz: the rest are new versions of kdepim libraries
09:39 Riddell merging seedsis included in my "update seeds" items
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09:39 mdz Riddell: libarts1-akode | 4:3.5-rc2-0ubuntu1 | dapper |
amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
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09:40 mdz Riddell: please follow up and see what's happening with it
09:40 pitti Riddell: promoting gstreamer0.8-mad will be hard, since we want to
get libmad0 to universe
09:40 Riddell pitti: it won't be needed that's fixed in the new amarok which as
mdz suggests I'll see what's happening with
09:40 ogra promoting gstreamer0.8-mad ???
09:40 pitti ah, ok
09:40 mdz ogra: no
09:40 pitti ogra: anastacia
09:40 ogra phew
09:40 mdz ok
09:40 mdz jbailey: ready?
* LocalesThatDontSuck: glibc parts done. Need to figure out best
09:40 jbailey way to handle locales bug reports. My guess is forward them to
Danis Barbier for now and coordinate a merge monthly or so with
pitti.
* ToolchainRoadmap: Recovered from last weeks breakage, glibc built
09:40 jbailey everywhere now. libc6-i386 coming next week for amd64. LaMont to
get back to me whether ia64 wants it, or if they're dropping i386
support.
09:40 jbailey * Other: Need to go through bugzilla and punt anything that's not
glibc or lkh related to other people.
09:40 pitti ogra: well, the gstreamer package is *absolutely* harmless
09:41 ogra pitti, still a patented codec ...
09:41 mdz jbailey: is there a glibc merge pending or no?
09:41 mdz jbailey: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19180
09:41 jbailey mdz, Yes. It will come after all the changes that we're doing. The
changes are blocking other people, the merge isn't.
09:42 mdz jbailey: ok, so just glibc biarch, glibc merge, administrivia and
you're clear
09:42 jbailey Yup
09:42 mdz great
09:42 mdz iwj: next
DefaultApplicationsFirefox: have applied (without trouble) patches
from RH to make Firefox use Gnome MIME handling, but these only
09:43 iwj solve (a fairly small) part of Firefox's MIME problems. Work will
have to continue. I am currently constructing another interim
Firefox release for Dapper development to help with issues found so
far.
AutomatedTesting: Discussion in debian-* seems to have
09:43 iwj finished. Have spoken to Robert Collins about wider testing
arrangements and am waiting for a straw man design idea from
him. *BLOCKED* I hope to start implementation next week.
Launchpad Client Certs
(https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SSLCertificateAuthentication):
09:43 iwj Proof of concept successful and written up on wiki (with full
instructions, example config, etc.). Nothing more to do from my end
(hopefully) except support Launchpad people with development and
deployment.
09:43 iwj ThinClientLocalDevices: spec is still in Drafting. *BLOCKED*
09:43 iwj DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked.
Firefox maintenance: See above. The current package has several
09:43 iwj problems. I'm aiming for a new release on Friday (tomorrow) which
will have fixes for whatever I can get done by then.
Others: no more ancient 7.07 gs-esp horror; not seen many problems
09:43 iwj with gs-gpl and gs-esp 8.15; yay. Merged mozilla (security fix), no
problem.
09:44 mdz iwj: can the firefox patches land in dapper without waiting for
further work?
09:44 mdz iwj: it would be good to see how that looks
09:44 iwj Yes. The RH patch will be in my upload, I hope tomorrow.
09:44 mdz iwj: re: automated testing, are you saying you're blocked on robert?
09:44 iwj You're probably going to be disappointed. It doesn't change the
dialogue or anything; it just changes where it gets the data from.
09:44 iwj Yes, blocked on Robert.
09:45 iwj The RH patch is relatively sane and I'm happy to carry it. So we'll
definitely get at least that far.
09:45 mdz iwj: you have only one merge remaining (mozilla), is it blocked?
09:45 iwj I might try to tart it up to make it a #ifdef for upstream.
09:45 iwj Err, I must have forgotten to close the bug.
09:45 iwj Unless I forgot to upload it too. I will check.
09:45 mdz using the right apps would be a pretty good start
09:46 mdz for firefox mime
09:46 iwj mdz: Right. It'll use the Gnome ones _most of the time_ but it's
still on crack.
09:46 mdz urgh
09:46 mdz we'll do the best we can with it; if there's a lot of code to be
written, it may not be feasible for us
09:46 iwj It uses all of (a) HTTP Content-Type (b) filename extension (c) file
contents, in bizarre ways.
09:47 mdz automated testing would take precedence in that case
09:47 iwj Absolutely. I don't want any giant 50000-line patch nightmare.
09:47 mdz ok
09:47 mdz fabbione: next?
09:47 fabbione yup
09:47 fabbione * server-candy: still waiting for jdub to make the mailing list,
otherwise no progress since last week.
09:47 fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: made local packages of new ocfs2 tools. need
testing.
* installer-volume-management: Implemented. There is one (minor
09:47 fabbione corner case) bug that is giving me headacke to fix. Otherwise it
ROCKS.
09:47 fabbione * probe-for-root-filesystem: blocked by udev till today (possibly
upcoming d-i changes).
09:47 fabbione * boot-from-usb: blocked by probe-for-root-filesystem.
09:47 fabbione * last week: done with my merging, one (zlib) is stalled on some
libc6-i386-dev-something.
* next week: try to kill the last installer-volume-management bug,
09:47 fabbione cluster love to the tools we already have and server-candy full
speed.
09:48 mdz libc6-i386-dev-something?
09:48 elmo fabbione: file the list request in RT, you don't need to wait on
jdub
09:48 fabbione mdz: i couldn't remember the exact name of the package, it's the
libc6 biarch transition jbailey mentioned before
09:48 doko fabbione: no, just make it libc6-i386-dev | ia32-libs-dev
09:48 mdz fabbione: if you don't get the list by Monday, ping me about it
09:49 fabbione elmo: ah ok!
09:49 mdz fabbione: or better, what elmo said
09:49 fabbione elmo: i wasn't aware of that.
09:49 fabbione elmo: will do asap
09:49 fabbione mdz: thanks.
09:49 fabbione doko: dude. you told me to wait and i am waiting
09:49 doko fabbione: even better :)
09:49 mdz fabbione,doko: ok, you two can discuss that out of band. we're
running short on time
09:49 fabbione ok
09:49 fabbione i am done
09:50 jbailey mdz, doko, fabbione: libc6-dev-i386 for consistancy with other
biarch libc6-dev packages.
09:50 mdz thanks fabbione, next daniels
09:50 Kamion vacation
09:50 mdz JaneW: do you have an update from daniels?
09:50 mdz Kamion: yes, this week
09:50 JaneW mdz: nope sorry
09:50 Kamion right
09:50 mdz ok
09:50 mdz dholbach: next
* power-management-preferences: added explanations about the NEW
09:50 dholbach approach, that mjg59, pitti and desrt agreed on, asked pitti and
mjg59 to have a look, didn't contact hughsie yet, although he made
some notes on the wiki page
* inclusion-of-docs: fixed a couple of bugs with mdke, uploaded the
09:50 dholbach new version, will continue with uploading new versions twice a week,
mdke agreed on making the community aware of possibilities in doc
proofreading/checking/participating
* bugs-best-practices: added some notes to the Bugs/ pages,
09:50 dholbach community tested them on the last Bug Day and they seem to have
"worked"
09:50 dholbach * a11y-*: apart from the meeting and the new mailing list (thanks
jeff), no progress :-(
09:50 dholbach * this week: huge amounts of bug triage, community stuff (desktop
team, motu), std allocator change
* next week: more bug triage (we will get bugzilla clean next week
09:50 dholbach :)), organise a motu review day, tackle DesktopTeam/TODO, more
merges? investigate with slomo a bit more on formal-test-plans
09:51 mdz dholbach: is mdke doing the trivial packaging work now?
09:51 dholbach they are focusing on docs
09:51 dholbach i helped to get all the path transitions done and the package out
the door
09:51 dholbach it builds and is nice now (apart from having no translations)
09:51 mdz ok
09:51 mdz dholbach: is there work to be done on bugs-best-practices or is it
basically done?
09:52 dholbach basically done
09:52 mdz dholbach: you have one merge open in bugzilla; is it blocked?
09:52 mdz gtkmm2.4
09:52 dholbach yeah, i'll do that one
09:52 mdz ok, this week please
09:52 dholbach right
09:52 mdz thanks
09:52 mdz Kamion: next
ue-partitioning-tool: Finished and uploaded first cut at
09:52 Kamion partman.deb, which shockingly seems to almost work if you know how
to drive it.
ubuntu-express-*, ue-*: niemeyer and I sorted out last week's
09:52 Kamion svn2bzr bug, so I nearly have a working import; just waiting for
Guadalinex to actually make their dump sufficiently up-to-date now
(pinged them again today). No other progress.
cd-bootloader: Reviewed gfxboot patch; found it hideous and
infeasible to port to 3.11 myself. Talked to SuSE folks about
09:53 Kamion getting a gfxboot patch for syslinux 3.11; I have this in my hands
now and it's much better and doesn't break text mode at least, but I
haven't quite had time to set up a graphical mode yet.
09:53 Kamion cd-build-process: No progress (nothing urgent left here).
misc: Finished my merges. Lots of work on the big move to 2.6.15,
which has consumed a big fraction of my time this week. I have a
09:53 Kamion working installer nearly ready to go now; the live CD will take a
little longer to get working again since we're now using initramfs
in d-i. Minor bug-fixes to pcmciautils, which I packaged
week-before-last.
next-week: Finish move of installer and live CD to 2.6.15; upload
gfxboot and get it enabled by default; try to glue debconffilter
onto the front of partman (this is pretty much a torture test of
09:53 Kamion whether our UE implementation plans will work); prod Guadalinex
until we can finally get the UE bzr import done and move on;
archive-copier changes for language-pack-vs-support. With any luck,
Flight CD 2 next Thursday or so.
09:53 mdz Kamion: the live CD is about to get a shakeup anyway (and need to be
built differently)
09:54 mdz JaneW: Kamion should be in on the chat with Mithrandir and myself
about that
09:54 Kamion right, but I need to make this one work for Flight CD 2
09:54 mdz right
09:54 doko Kamion: I'm not sure I have OOo2 installable next Thursday
09:54 Kamion incremental development and all that
09:54 Kamion doko: what's wrong?
09:55 mdz not building on all architectures perhaps?
09:55 doko Kamion: I would have to rebuild the current beta packages, that
would be possible
09:55 Kamion please prioritise that if possible; we need an installable system on
a regular basis
09:55 mdz agreed
09:55 mdz need to move on
09:55 mdz BenC: you're up
09:55 BenC * DONE: Get 2.6.15 as main kernel (this has been the bulk of my
work)
09:55 BenC * specs done: initramfs-updates, implemented kernel side to use
update-initramfs script
* specs dependent on 2.6.15 kernel: ubuntu-server-kernel,
09:55 BenC testing-server-hardware, preventing-hardware-regressions,
udev-roadmap
09:55 BenC * goals for next week: ubuntu-server-kernel, and start of
preventing-hardware-regressions framework
09:55 ogra edubuntu doesnt even have a working livefs yet, would be nice to get
it done by flight2
09:56 Kamion ogra: similarly blocked, I imagine
09:56 doko Kamion: ok, I'll probably delay python-roadmap in favour of OOo2
09:56 mdz BenC: you have two outstanding merges, is there anything blocking
them from getting done this week?
09:56 ogra Kamion, but you already had fight 1
09:56 BenC what merges?
09:56 ogra i skipped that one
09:56 ogra +l
09:56 mdz BenC: kernel-wedge and kernel-package, assigned to you in bugzilla
for some time
09:57 fabbione mdz: we might not merge them at all
09:57 mdz BenC: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19041
http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19217
09:57 BenC I didn't know anything about it, so no
09:57 BenC but I can get on them this week, no problem
09:57 mdz ok, at both of the last meetings we've talked about the need to
finish off merges
09:57 mdz needs to get done this week
09:58 mdz fabbione: you and BenC can work that out and let me know if there is
a reason not to do it
09:58 BenC should be easy enough
09:58 mdz ok,
09:58 mdz JaneW: update from adam?
09:58 fabbione mdz: yup. it slept from my sight
09:58 ogra mdz, no chmj ?
09:58 JaneW yes
09:58 JaneW infinity: * last week: lost of work on linux-restricted-modules
updating / fixing,
09:58 JaneW and getting to work with new kernels; sorting patches for a big PHP
09:58 JaneW security rollup (nothing big about the individual bugs, just that we
09:58 JaneW have enough piled up to do a bit release now); general buildd,
merge,
09:58 JaneW and bugfix work.
09:58 JaneW * uplash/initramfs-*: Scott has released his lock on initramfs, so
all
09:58 JaneW of these things will head into full-tilt next week. Expect to see
09:59 JaneW progress on all but (maybe) thin client usplash (that will likely be
the
09:59 JaneW week after -- ogra, talk to me about this, the spec itself doesn't
even
09:59 JaneW exist yet, and we should draft one).
09:59 JaneW * my outstanding merges: portmap was taken by Mithrandir,
09:59 JaneW initramfs-tools is currently heavily forked from Debian, and may not
be
09:59 JaneW "merged", so much as cherry-picked to and from, mozilla-thunderbird
is
09:59 JaneW waiting on my talking with the Debian maintainer about packaging
Tbird
09:59 JaneW 1.5 ASAP, php5 will be re-merged with the set of security uploads
09:59 JaneW mentioned above, enigmail is waiting on the thunderbird 1.5
decision.
09:59 JaneW Feel free to fire up MOM again, as those (except portmap) are all
(in my
09:59 JaneW mind) false positives for "outstanding". :)
10:00 ogra i wonder what we should spec about usplash on thin clients ? its
only turning on the splash flag on the kernel commandline
10:00 mdz ogra: chmj is not present
10:00 ogra no special needs
10:00 ogra mdz, i see
10:00 mdz ogra: agreed, just turn it on and see if it works
10:00 ogra it does
10:00 ogra using it since two weeks here
10:01 ogra had timeout probs tht were solved with new initramfs
10:01 mdz ogra: if it works, let's just turn it on
10:01 mdz ok, we're out of time
10:01 mdz if there's anything else to discuss, mail JaneW to get it on the
agenda for the next meeting
10:01 Keybuk should we turn mom back on yet, or leave it off until next week?
10:01 mdz we need to start on time next week
10:01 ogra mdz, its on in my ldm branch ...
10:02 mdz Keybuk: leave off until remaining merges are complete
10:02 Keybuk ok
10:02 mdz ogra: ok, I'll get to that next week most likely
10:02 mdz thanks, everyone
10:02 ogra fine :)
10:02 dholbach thanks matt
10:02 fabbione thanks
10:02 JaneW I will try to get the rport out during tomorrow, please update your
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