DapperDev_2005-12-08
03:01 mdz waiting to hear from infinity, Riddell, Diziet and daniels
03:01 Riddell I'm here
03:01 pitti seb128: I won't stay awake after getting up at 3...
03:01 janeW calc: heh - not in ZA though (4am)
03:01 mvo pitti: we all know that seb128 does not sleep
03:01 calc janeW: exactly :)
03:01 seb128 pitti: sissi :p
03:01 pitti right - "must ... package ... crack"
03:01 seb128 lol
03:02 calc pitti: sorry that package name already taken :)
03:02 Keybuk infinity went to bed ~8 hours ago, so he might need waking up
03:03 ogra probably daniels could poke him
03:03 ogra of jdub
03:03 ogra *or
03:03 mdz sent SMS to infinity and daniels
03:03 mdz Kamion: have you seen Ian?
03:03 Kamion mdz: just about to phone him
03:03 doko_ so, the australians take their 3pm tea break? ;-P
03:04 mdz Kamion: thanks
03:04 Kamion although his housemates will kill me tomorrow evening
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03:04 janeW if infinity doesn't appear I will never accept his whining
about bad meeting times again...
03:05 Kamion no reply
03:05 jbailey janeW: Aww, someone else woke you up. I should've been
quicker.
03:05 jbailey janeW: I can be a scary voice to hear on the phone at 2am. =)
03:05 janeW jbailey: lol, that
03:06 janeW 's what I thought, fear woke me up ;)
03:06 jbailey <voice style="raspy,deep">Hello, Jane. We're waiting for
you.</voice
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03:06 mdz ok, we need to start without them
03:06 BenC let 'er rip
03:06 mdz let's go in spreadsheet order
03:06 mdz BenC
03:06 daniels actally, I'd like to go first
ubuntu-server-kernel: in progress - 2.6.15-7.9 contains i386
03:06 BenC server kernels. The kernels will be renamed in -8.10. Amd64
will get server kernels in -8.10 aswell (same style as i386
server kernels).
03:06 BenC preventing-hardware-support-regressions: not started
03:06 BenC testing-server-hardware: not started - Will start on this in
coming week
03:06 daniels or second
03:07 BenC actually, preventing-hw-s-r will start this week too
03:07 mdz BenC: thanks
03:07 mdz daniels: ok
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03:07 mdz (you're second on the spreadsheet anyway)
03:07 infinity Sorry I'm late.
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03:08 mdz daniels?
03:08 doko_ we know ;-)
03:08 daniels this week: fixed driver FTBFSes (build-depends), updated
versions for RC3
03:08 daniels next week: continued work on RC3, hopefully get started on
'xorg' source package
03:08 daniels blocked: none
03:08 daniels x-roadmap: mostly there, just tracking continued version
updates. maintainer
03:08 daniels scripts still need some loving.
03:08 mdz daniels: thanks
03:08 mdz dholbach: next
03:08 dholbach inclusion-of-docs: another update, talked to doc-team about
some changes
this week: DesktopTeam/TODO, DesktopTeam/NewSoftware,
03:08 dholbach get-bug-number-sane-again, get-a11y-team-rolling,
revu-weekend
next week: dont-make-seb-cry-over-bug-load,
03:08 dholbach have-fun-with-gnome-2.13.3, pre-christmas-cleanup-bugday,
meet slomo and siretart to discuss media-related test plan
and media-bits of example-content
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03:09 mdz dholbach: what's happening with power management
configuration?
03:09 ogra mdz, mjg59 took it
03:09 dholbach mdz: i didnt do much since then, mjg59 already did an upload
03:09 ogra g-p-m works fine already
03:09 pitti dholbach: I can feel your relief :)
03:09 mdz janeW: did mjg59 send you any information about it?
03:10 janeW mdz: no not at all
03:10 dholbach i will try to reconfirm
03:10 mdz dholbach: if mjg59 is taking that over, make test plans your
next priority
03:10 dholbach ok
03:10 ogra mdz, i'd call it nearly done
03:10 mdz dholbach: thanks
03:10 mdz doko_: next
03:10 janeW should mjg59 be at these meetings if he is taking the goal?
03:10 doko_ this week (including weekend):
- toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch (still blocked); gcc*
03:10 doko_ packages updated, tuning to pentium4 by default instead of
i686 (i386 only); gij-4.1/gcj-4.1 packaging finished, pending
upload; ant/java bugzilla work
03:10 doko_ - toolchain-dapper+1: updated packages for test rebuild, now
blocked by preparation of buildd's.
03:10 doko_ - python-roadmap: deferred during last meeting, priority on
...
- openoffice.org: updated to 2.0.1rc1 (ooo2, -l10n, -amd64,
03:10 doko_ -helpcontent), fixed amd64 build, build native amd64 packages
(suffix -experimental)
03:10 doko_ openoffice.org-gnome: no reply from martink, will phone him
this week
03:10 doko_ problems: disk space on concordia, 1GB uploads from home
suck.
03:10 doko_ next week:
03:10 doko_ - python-roadmap: python-central update
03:10 doko_ - openoffice.org: bugzilla work; support work(?)
03:11 Keybuk janeW: it's 2am for him, and he doesn't work for us, it's a
bit unfair to demand it
03:11 mdz janeW: Keybuk++, an email update would be reasonable
03:11 fabbione doko_: disk space on concordia will be fixed really soon (got
feedback from Karl on the rt)
03:11 janeW Keybuk: right, but he should give an update anyway and/or
attend when he can
03:11 mdz doko_: what's blocking biarch? glibc?
03:11 jbailey Yup
03:11 doko_ mdz: yes, jbailey will upload soon
03:11 mdz jbailey: what's happening there?
03:11 janeW mdz: I'll mail him
03:12 jbailey mdz: It builds now, just the last packaging changes and one
questions. It's in my status report.
03:12 mdz ok
03:12 mdz doko_: thanks
03:12 mdz fabbione: next
* server-candy: md5client in progress and it starts to look
03:12 fabbione ok. code is very small and it is already partially integrated
with d-i rescue mode. Mailing
list is configured. Announce by tomorrow. More suggestions
03:12 fabbione are coming from different people. Agreed with mdz to add a
new spec as wishlist but had no
03:12 fabbione time to write it.
* ubuntu-cluster: redhat cluster suite and ocfs2 updates
03:12 fabbione (kernel and userland) that still requires a bit of testing. A
few small pkgs still to upgrade
03:13 fabbione before start looking into new stuff. More people to test for
regressions would be good.
* probe-for-root-filesystem: WIP, start looking into it and
03:13 fabbione the new udev does what we need. Discussion with
Kamion/Keybuk/infinity about some minor pro
03:13 fabbione blems associated to the implementation, all sorted.
03:13 fabbione * boot-from-usb: blocked by probe-for-root-filesystem.
* merges: zlib - still pending libc6-i386-dev, util-linux -
03:13 fabbione pending lamont to upload and test a new upstream version (and
that might actually kill the
03:13 fabbione need of the merge).
03:13 fabbione * last week: worked on specs. mails.. usual stuff.
* next week: keep going server-candy full speed. Expect to
03:13 fabbione deliver the first useable bits of the md5client. Write the
spec agreed with mdz. Try to do s
03:13 fabbione ome tests with the new cluster software.
* notes: thursday 15th i will be away almost all day
03:13 fabbione travelling to the other side of DK to give a talk about
Ubuntu. the 16th i will probably start lat
03:13 fabbione er than usual (it depends how late i will come back the 15th
+ dentist).
03:13 fabbione oh
03:14 fabbione installer-volume-manager is out of my report since it's
implemented
03:14 fabbione JaneW: ^^
fabbione: my feeling on probe-for-root is that we should do
03:14 mdz it by default in the installer if the root filesystem is on a
USB device or similar, but otherwise default to the current
behaviour
03:14 mdz fabbione: is that what you've in mind as well?
03:14 janeW fabbione: great
03:14 Keybuk probe-for-root won't work on ide devices
03:14 mdz Keybuk: why not?
03:14 fabbione mdz: no, we will do it where we can.
03:14 fabbione Keybuk: ?????
03:14 fabbione Keybuk: let's take this after the meeting
03:15 Keybuk k
03:15 mdz fabbione: I'm a little nervous about such an intrusive change
to the default boot process
03:15 mdz fabbione: yes, let's talk another time about it
03:15 mdz fabbione: thanks for the updates
03:15 fabbione mdz: we can try and test.. and we can decide.
03:15 mdz infinity: next
last week: lots more work on linux-restricted-modules,
03:15 infinity security updates, udev/kernel debugging, and buildd
tracking. Started work on thunderbird 1.5 as well. Not much
spec progress this last week, but:
03:15 infinity splash-down: should be uploading packages tomorrow to turn
this feature on.
03:15 infinity next week: More work on usplash/initramfs-related specs, and
more of the rest of my non-spec-related job tasks, I suspect.
03:15 calc is probe for root similar to what yaird is doing on 2.6.12+ ?
calc:
03:16 mdz launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/probe-for-root-filesystem
or so
03:16 calc thx
03:16 fabbione calc: no.
i doesn't know if could be useful for help also ubuntu but
03:16 Evaso2 there is a good page about some statistics here:
http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/points.html
03:16 mdz infinity: there's a new nvidia driver out; please see that we
get that in as well (either you or BenC)
03:16 mdz infinity: what of your remaining merges?
03:17 infinity mdz : I have the orig already rolled, just need to test the
update on my girlfriends' computer.
03:17 infinity mdz : It fixes a mess of bugs on x86_64, it would seem.
Evaso2: please keep extraneous comments until after the
03:17 Kamion meeting, preferably on a different channel; we have an agenda
and a tight timescale here
03:17 BenC infinity: I can test aswell, have a GeForce4 here
03:17 Evaso2 Kamoin: ok
03:17 dholbach infinity: nice, i can test it on x86_64 if you want
mdz : thunderbird and php should be my only outstanding
03:17 infinity merges, unless I missed one, tbird is jumping to 1.5, php is
happening when I upload all the security stuff later today.
03:18 BenC infinity: does it get things working on ia64 yet, because I
can test that too
03:18 infinity dholbach : Thanks, I have a 6800GT on amd64, but if your card
is different, the more testing the merrier.
03:18 mdz infinity: enigmail and initramfs-tools are also on your list
03:18 infinity BenC : No ia64 drivers.
03:18 dholbach infinity: excellent
03:18 mdz infinity: initramfs-tools may be bogus; I commented in
bugzilla
mdz : enigmail is blocked on tbird (no need to merge it right
03:18 infinity now), and initramfs-tools is more of a back and forth
cherry-picking between the Debian maintainer and I.
03:18 BenC infinity: remind me later about my ia64-nvidia work, I have
it setup
03:18 mdz infinity: please set the status whiteboard for those bugs
accordingly
03:19 infinity BenC : Oh, yes, it works, but it's an old driver, not updated
in eons, and we dropped support for it long ago.
03:19 infinity mdz : Check.
03:19 BenC no, I mean using the same source :)
03:19 mdz infinity: how does reducing-duplication stand?
03:19 infinity BenC : Oh, cool. Talk to me after the meeting.
03:20 infinity mdz : No major progress to report this last week, unless
pitti jumped some hurdles I'm not aware of, but it grinds on.
03:20 infinity doko_ : We will need help on punting python2.3 ASAP, BTW.
03:20 pitti no big ones, I was busy with other stuff
03:20 mdz infinity: how far are we from completing the parts which are
in the existing spec?
03:20 Kamion I've been demoting the odd random thing to universe, but
nothing major
03:20 infinity doko_ : So, I hope things are falling into place for that.
03:20 pitti mdz: I updated the wiki page, btw
03:20 doko_ infinity: yes, scheduled for next week
03:21 infinity doko_ : Rock on.
03:21 mdz infinity: ok, the wiki page answers that question
03:21 infinity Oh!.. Missed MySQL 5.0 in my update.
03:21 mdz infinity: thanks
03:21 mdz janeW: please chase Ian tomorrow for an update
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03:21 mdz jbailey: next
03:21 infinity mdz : Been evaluating MySQL 5.0, close to making a decision
there, but I need a short followup with you about it.
* ToolchainRoadmap: Per last weeks meeting, libc-i386 coming
this week for amd64. Need to decide if we feel like
03:21 jbailey providing both LinuxThreads and NPTL. ia32-libs did, but
this makes the packaging *much* messier. lkh biarch fixed so
it actually works.
* ToolchainRoadmapNg: After the glibc biarch, will start to
03:21 jbailey evaluate glibc needs. Want to start collecting feedback on
dropping pre-i686 per outstanding issues .
* LocalesThatDontSuck: No bugs received from the locales
03:21 jbailey changes, my desktop is still in French. Assuming that my
stuff is finished mod latent bugs.
03:21 jbailey * Other: Still punting bugs to other people. Need someone to
take grub bugs by default.
03:21 jbailey * Merges: glibc TBD after biarch is finished.
03:22 doko_ infinity: db4.3 and oo2 still looks problematic
03:22 janeW mdz: ok
03:22 mdz infinity: ok
03:22 janeW I have an update from jdub
03:22 mdz infinity: grab me sometime when we're both around
03:22 infinity doko_ : Ping me about it post-meeting.
jdub: example-content - Yeah, sorry - too much traveling to
attend the meetings or get anything done on it. I plan to
03:22 janeW start doing stuff on it as soon as I return home from OSDC ,
and will hopefully get a huge chunk of it done before
Christmas break.
03:22 mdz who can give some love to grub?
03:23 Kamion I've got half its bugs anyway, although many of them are
throw-up-hands-in-despair material
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03:23 mdz Kamion: or rather, forward-upstream material?
03:23 jbailey mdz: There is no upstream for grub1 anymore.
03:23 zul mdz: i can try to help with the grub stuff
03:23 mdz ugh
03:24 jbailey It's pretty much an abandonned codebase in favour of grub2.
03:24 Kamion what jbailey said, although actually there *was* a recent
release
03:24 ogra mdz, mjg59 ?
03:24 mdz zul: that would be a great help; there's a lot in bugzilla
which needs review and consolidation
03:24 zul sure..
03:24 mdz jbailey: is any distribution actually using grub2 yet,
though?
03:24 jbailey No.
we're on 0.97 now and I think it probably killed a few bugs
03:24 Kamion in bugzilla, although we need to ping submitters once we have
something coherent for them to test
03:24 jbailey I wouldn't recommend it for dapper.
03:24 jbailey I have vague thoughts of packaging it for universe for fun,
but not targetting main at all.
03:25 jbailey I'm in regular contact with the grub2 upstreams.
03:25 mdz Kamion: ok
03:25 mdz jbailey: thanks
03:25 mdz Kamion: next
ubuntu-express-*, ue-*: Finally got Guadalinex work imported
into bzr and started cleaning bits of it up. Started writing
03:25 Kamion debconffilter integration code. Uploaded a
debian-installer-utils change to build espresso-utils.deb,
which saves me ripping out or reimplementing various tools.
ubuntu-express-bootloader: Made os-prober work outside d-i
and created a .deb (all upstream). Have been thinking about
03:25 Kamion the rest of the design and hacking on experimental pieces,
but not much code yet. (I decided to tackle this instead of
partitioning because it gives me quicker visible return on
effort.)
cd-bootloader: gfxboot and syslinux uploaded; now I just need
to write and install a theme and get loads of testing done.
03:25 Kamion Spent this afternoon reading up on the language; noted that
it isn't inherently tied to any particular video mode, which
should help us a lot. Started hacking on an Ubuntu theme,
cloned-and-hacked from the SuSE one.
03:25 Kamion misc: Clarified archive-copier question for
language-pack-vs-support.
blocked: Flight CD 2 can't happen until somebody fixes casper
to cope with d-i being initramfs now (which was blocked on
03:25 Kamion getting live filesystems built, but I think we can do that
now thanks to the mozilla-firefox-locale-all fix). I'll
probably end up doing this myself.
03:26 mdz Kamion: have Mithrandir care for casper
oh, I don't have a next-week there - that's pretty much
03:26 Kamion hammer casper into submission for initramfs d-i, do flight cd
2, do a quick gfxboot theme and get that in, keep going with
ubuntu-express-bootloader
03:26 jbailey Kamion: Is it technical issues with initramfs'? I can still
be a resource since I've played with them alot.
03:26 Kamion and whatever else needs to be done
Q, on going through the blocks/depends lists yesterday, many
03:27 janeW of the dapper goals depend on other goals, should we be
tracking all those other goals on the spreadsheet (and
project plan) too?
jbailey: not really, it just needs to be adapted from
03:27 Kamion pivot_root and it's only very recently (today) that you've
been able to get a 2.6.15 live CD far enough to do anything
with it
03:27 Kamion mdz: ok, thanks
03:27 mdz Kamion: I think we should talk about ubuntu-express and see
what chunks others can start on
03:27 jbailey Kamion: 'k. Call if you need, though.
03:27 mdz thanks Kamion, Keybuk next
udev-roadmap: been shaking out the big bugs, making good
03:27 Keybuk progress though and am feeling confident that the final
product is a LOT better than breezy
03:27 Keybuk (ide drivers vs. ide-generic -- fixed with a kernel patch so
the ide driver wins)
(libata drivers vs. ide-generic -- fixed with a new script
03:27 Keybuk that only tries to load ide-generic if ROOT=/dev/hd* and it
doesn't exist after probing for PCI controllers)
03:27 Keybuk (scsi drivers vs. the clock -- fixed with same new script
that waits for root node to appear if ROOT=/dev/sd*)
03:27 Keybuk hardware-activation: no progress as been chasing udev bugs
first
03:27 Keybuk streamlined-boot: fully tested and running on my laptop, now
sysvinit is merged, will begin uploading the changes
mdz: fine, but I'm still sorting out the pieces that
03:28 Kamion *everything* else will depend on so I'm not sure more cooks
will help just yet
03:28 Keybuk network-magic: no progress.
03:28 Keybuk next-week: other udev problems, streamlined boot and
hardware-activation.
03:29 BenC Kebuk: scsi drivers vs. clock, does that work for
usb/ieee1394 drives for root aswell?
03:29 mdz Keybuk: will either of those workarounds be foiled by
probe-for-root in any meaningful way?
03:29 Keybuk should do, yup
03:29 Keybuk mdz: that's the thing that foils probe-for-root on
plain-old-ide
03:29 Keybuk because there's no way to know we might need to know
ide-generic
03:29 Keybuk and we flat-out can't load ide-generic if it's sata/scsi
03:29 mdz isn't that a bug?
03:30 Keybuk so I've had to assume that probe-for-root is scsi-a-like
03:30 Keybuk you can call it a bug, but there's no way I can see to fix it
03:30 Keybuk ide-generic claims unclaimed ide devices
03:30 Keybuk modprobe ata_piix
03:30 Keybuk modprobe ide-generic
03:30 Keybuk usually, ide beats ata_piix to claiming the ide devices
03:30 mdz janeW: dapper-release-process is implemented
03:31 mdz Keybuk: ok, thanks
03:31 mdz janeW: update from Mithrandir?
this actually affected breezy too, except as infinity and I
03:31 Keybuk found out, even an echo between the two modprobes is enough
to tilt the balance the other way
03:31 janeW mdz: ok thanks
03:31 janeW mdz: no, no one sent me any updates this week...
03:31 mdz janeW: oh, right, he was on holiday
03:32 mdz mvo: next
03:32 mvo * 3rd party repostiories: only a bit work on gdebi (direct
deb installs), no work done on gnome-app-install
* suggest packages to install to provide missing apps: some
03:32 mvo work with zyga, progressing (not hight priority for me
currently)
03:32 mvo * unattended package upgrades: in the archive, needs testing,
maybe backport to
03:32 mvo breezy to get this testing (in a unoffical archive of
course)?
03:32 mvo * upgrading from one ubuntu release to the next: actual
dist-upgrade tool is making good progress, a sucessfull
03:32 mvo upgrade from hoary to breezy was performed. still work to
do on
03:32 mvo the details and sanity checks
03:32 mvo (current gui: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/dist-upgrader/)
03:32 mvo * package recommends: want to bounty daniel burrows (if
possible)
03:32 mvo Next week
03:32 mvo - more work on the dist-upgrade tool
03:32 mvo - gnome-app-install work for the second part of the 3rd party
packages
03:32 mvo spec
03:32 mdz Kamion: please follow up on bootchart-udeb and guide that
into main for tollef
03:32 Kamion mdz: already done
03:32 mdz Kamion: ok, thanks
03:33 Kamion mdz: just needs adding to the d-i pkg-lists, which is
trivial; queued for next upload
03:33 jbailey mvo: What's the spec called for upgrading from one release to
the next? I'd like to read up on it.
03:33 mvo "AutomaticUpgrades"
03:33 jbailey Tx.
03:33 mdz mvo: once the tool is done, we still need the update-manager
side to download and use the tool, right?
03:34 mvo mdz: yes, they share a bzr archive right now too
03:34 mvo it is designed to be independant and it can have multiple uis
(kde would be possilbe as well)
mvo: I'm not entirely sure about recommends; I think it would
03:34 mdz be too intrusive to switch the metapackages to recommends for
dapper, and if we don't do that, we don't get any benefit
from it
03:34 mvo but the downloading needs to happen somehow
03:34 mdz mvo: thoughts?
03:35 Kamion if we get the code in now we can use it more comfortably in
dapper+1 ...
03:35 Kamion (assuming it's sufficiently safe)
03:35 mvo mdz: difficult, I agree that it is intrusive, but it would
solve a problem a lot of people complain about
03:35 mdz Kamion: dapper+1 seems likely to use smart
03:35 Kamion I see
03:35 mdz mvo: let's talk about it later
03:35 mdz mvo: thanks
03:35 mvo ok
03:35 mdz ogra: next
* thin-client-sound: no work done this week, spec reviewed
03:36 ogra minor changes, needs working X on thin client for more
realworld tests.
03:36 ogra * thin-client-local-devices: spec still in drafting. trying
to get hold of sbalneav to make up a meeting with mdz.
* thin-client-memory-usage: was waiting for the new
03:36 ogra initramfs/udev/kernel architecture for modlue blacklist
testing, spec approved.
* thin-client-faster-startup: finally below a minute
03:36 ogra http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper-20051208-1.png
, spec reviewed, minor changes.
03:36 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no work this week , still
needs images.
* general work: Xorg autodetection on thin clients: bug
#20563 filed working with daniels on it (gdb session
outstanding). requested ldm changes done locally, not
03:36 ogra uploaded yet, multiarch changes pending review. xscreensaver
hack split (#3044) done locally. gnome-screensaver main
inclusion report pending review, main inclusion planned
before flight2. mknbi/etherboot problem: no work done yet.
cdrom installable per today, ready for flight 2, waiting
for livefs to be build. hwdb-client bzr archive is up on
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/hwdb-client/.
03:36 ogra edubuntu-artwork postinst changes started locally. grabbed
some orphaned merges. held edubuntu workshop and talk at
"essener linuxtage".
* next weeks goals: major target is to get X up again on the
thin clients, test mdz's suggestions for thin client sound,
03:36 ogra flight2 testing, ask sabdfl for his proposed space images for
gnome-screensaver-default-image, upload new edubuntu-artwork,
more hwdb-client work. inspect X autodetection on thin
clients for possible speedups per mdz suggestion.
03:36 mdz ogra: let me know via email if there are specs ready for
another review
03:36 ogra mdz, will do the requested changes tomorrow
03:37 ogra (and mail you )
03:37 mdz ogra: likewise for ldm (I merged multiarch btw)
03:37 ogra yay
03:37 ogra ldm is trivial
03:37 ogra just not tested yet
03:37 mdz ogra: what do you have planned for hwdb-client?
03:38 ogra code cleanup and bugfixes ...
03:38 mdz ok
03:38 mdz ogra: thanks
03:38 mdz pitti: next
03:38 ogra as per dapper policy, only polish
03:38 pitti language-pack-vs-support: DONE: spec completely implemented,
thanks to mvo and Kamion
langpacks-desktopfiles: DONE: applied zyga's gnome-desktop
and glib2.0 patches, changed cdbs to make the necessary
03:38 pitti changes to the .desktop files, did some performance tests,
updated spec; PLAN: changed spec was approved now, upload
everything today, track package rebuild status
automatic-printer-conf: DONE: started discussion with
03:38 pitti upstram; BLOCK: we need to find a sensible way of checking
whether a given hal printer UDI is already configured in cups
03:38 pitti gstreamer-audio-backend: BLOCK: gstreamer 0.10 for creating
the alsadmixsink
reducing-duplication: DONE: readline4 and ucs-snmp made it to
03:38 pitti universe, infinity tested mysql 5.0; PLAN: convert all
packages to use only 5.0's client libs, push 4.0 and 4.1 to
universe
03:38 pitti merges: all DONE except for cdrecord (upstream version
regression)
03:38 pitti rosetta-firefox-support, pmount-uber-alles, firewall,
automated-problem-reports: no change since last week
pitti: locales get's back a copy of the i18n data, so we
03:39 doko_ don't need to change the packages relying on it for
testsuites?
03:40 pitti doko_: no, not to locales itself; we didn't come to a
conclusion in this discussion, and I further thought about it
03:40 pitti let's discuss this in #u-d today again
03:40 mdz ok
03:40 mdz pitti: thanks
03:40 mdz seb128: next
03:40 pitti (I don't think it makes sense to put the locales into an -all
package at all)
faster-gnome-startup: implemented (new fontconfig with mmap
cache mentionned as an option is still beeing worked upstream
03:40 seb128 so probably not for dapper, GTK icon cache specification has
issues will be sorted for Debian but probably not for dapper
neither, others points are done and work correctly)
hide-admin-tools-to-users: gnome-menus code changes done,
03:40 seb128 waiting on mvo to update the desktop files on his packages,
out of the implemented/working fine
03:40 seb128 menu-revisited: implemented (may ajust some stuff according
to users comments though)
03:40 seb128 rhythmbox-ipod: I got an ipod this week
video-playback: upstream 0.10 tarballs are available. They
splitted the plugins to 4 source packages (main, good, bad,
ugly), so most of the packaging (the binary split, etc) has
03:40 seb128 to be reworked (the Debian maintainer has not really started
on that yet). I'm working on that for 2 days,
gst-plugins0.10/gst-plugins-base0.10 almost ready to upload.
I've discussed the changes with lool (Debian maintainer) and
send him some patches/pointed the new
03:40 doko_ pitti: anything else than locales looks insane, ok, tomorrow
...
package and I'm waiting on his comments to be sure we pick
03:40 seb128 the same split before uploading. He said he'll work on
merging that this week so I'll probably upload those packages
monday
dapper-desktop-plan: there a first patch from lllmanulll (he
03:40 seb128 who worked on the GnomePanel google bounty is working on
that) for the session dialog changes which is beeing
discussed on the ubuntu-desktop list
03:40 seb128 .
03:40 seb128 next week: keep packaging gst0.10, GNOME 2.13.3,
dapper-desktop-plan
03:41 mdz seb128: I haven't noticed much of a speedup in GNOME startup;
what happened to "so fast we don't need a splash"? ;-)
03:41 seb128 euuuh :p
03:41 Riddell seb128: is gst0.10 likely to break amarok, kaffeine etc?
03:41 pitti btw, I talked to lool, he wanted to start with gst 0.10 now
03:41 mdz seb128: were you able to measure before and after the
improvements and see what the gain was?
03:42 seb128 I've not done benchmark but gconf is much faster when browser
with gconf-editor by example
03:42 seb128 s/browser/browsed/
03:42 pitti my startup time reduced from 40 to 35 seconds, or so
03:42 pitti (gdm login to final desktop)
03:42 mdz pitti: 35 seconds to login?
03:42 mdz ah
03:42 ogra pitti, how do you measure ?
03:42 ogra stopwatch ?
03:43 pitti ogra: yes
03:43 ogra k
03:43 seb128 pitti: what about lool/gst0.10?
03:43 pitti on a clean profile, it's still 27 seconds
03:43 ogra will do the same here with my slow disk
03:43 mdz seb128: so the desktop files (other than mvo's) have been
updated now, and hide-admin should be working for those?
03:43 seb128 mdz: correct
03:43 pitti seb128: I discussed the dmix changes with him mainly, but he
seems to be eager to start with 0.10 now, too
03:43 mdz great
03:43 mvo mdz, seb128: I'll do my stuff tomorrow
03:43 mdz seb128: thanks
03:43 mdz Riddell: next
This week: some days at desktop architects meeting,
03:43 Riddell Portland. Been doing merges and seed merges, revus, main
inclusion requests and KDE security updates.
03:43 Riddell Next week: finish off merges, simplify-kubuntu
03:44 doko_ Riddell: xine update to 1.1?
03:44 Kamion Riddell: how far is kubuntu-desktop from being installable? I
haven't dug into its problems
03:44 Keybuk Riddell: you still have by far the largest number of
outstanding merges of anyone :-/
03:44 mdz BenC: btw, if you're certain we don't want the new
kernel-package, please close the bug WONTFIX
03:44 Riddell Kamion: mostly there now, pykde is the biggest issue
03:44 Riddell doko_: I see it on my merges, so I'll do it tomorrow
03:45 Riddell Keybuk: yeah, KDE 3.5 and the portland meeting got me behind,
I hope to have them all done by the end of the weekend
pitti: I've sent my gstreamer0.10 patch to lool 2 days for
03:45 seb128 comment, he said it looks ok and he will merge it this week
(he got some real work stuff to do before)
03:45 mdz Riddell,JaneW: we need to review the kubuntu spec situation
03:46 janeW mdz: meeting?
03:46 mdz janeW: yes
03:46 janeW ok
03:46 mdz that's the end of the spreadsheet; did we miss anyone?
03:46 seb128 pitti: we will probably agree on the details this week and
get that merged to Debian/uploaded to Ubuntu by monday
03:47 mdz I think that's all the status updates; since we have extra
time, the floor is open for any discussion topics
03:47 pitti this locales issue maybe?
03:47 mdz only items which are relevant to all or most of the team,
please
03:47 pitti hm, ok
03:47 Keybuk merges: I think everyone but Riddell has done all the
non-blocked ones ... should we turn mom on again?
03:47 infinity Yes please.
03:47 ogra yay
03:48 mdz Keybuk: yes, but without filing bugs
03:48 Keybuk how would we keep track without the bugs?
03:48 infinity Even if we don't all have time for merge work, I'd like to
know that there are outstanding merges to be done.
03:48 doko_ mdz: yes, please change this meeting time (3hours earlier or
3hours later)
03:48 mdz Keybuk: can we set a reduced priority on merge bugs by
default?
03:48 Keybuk mdz: sure
03:48 jbailey Thinking of bugs, do we know when Malone goes live for main?
03:48 mdz Keybuk: ok, let's do that instead then
03:48 fabbione mdz: but why without filing bugs?
03:49 fabbione or lower priority?
03:49 mdz jbailey: I need to follow up with bradb on that; don't have a
status update
03:49 jbailey mdz: Tx
03:49 Keybuk enhancement?
03:49 mdz fabbione: because we're not going to try to track merges on
an ongoing basis; it's too much work
03:49 Keybuk or do you mean the Pn bit?
03:49 mdz we'll do another check close to UVF
03:49 mdz Keybuk: I mean Pn
03:49 fabbione mdz: ok...
03:49 Keybuk pick an n
03:50 mdz 3
03:50 mdz just something below the default
03:50 mdz or maybe P5, lowest
03:51 ogra dholbach, whats your feeling about malone for main as
probably the person who works most with it currently ?
doko_: we agreed on these meeting times in Montreal; everyone
03:51 mdz is inconvenienced only once per month and everyone has some
meetings at reasonable times of day
=== ogra finds 8am worse than 3am :)
doko_: if you'd like to propose a change, please evaluate it
03:52 mdz in the context of everyone's time zone and post to
ubuntu-devel for discussion
03:52 dholbach ogra: the mail- and the clickability-situation is what
concerns most people, from what i've heard
03:52 mdz any other business?
03:52 doko_ mdz: ok
03:52 Kamion what's the soyuz status?
03:52 dholbach ogra: i hope that defaults qa contacts will make that better
03:52 seb128 dholbach: default assignment too
03:52 mdz soyuz is coming along pretty well; the publisher output is
almost certifiable
03:52 jbailey Just like us? =)
03:52 ogra dholbach, thanks, i only use it to respond to the bugs mostly
:)
03:52 mdz they're testing the uploader using all breezy packages
03:53 mdz (source packages only)
03:53 mdz once that's successful, the next test will be replaying all
dapper source uploads and actually building them
03:53 mdz once all three of those acceptance tests have passed, we'll
do the transition
03:53 Kamion thanks
03:53 fabbione mdz: ETA?
03:54 mdz (archive comparison for existing packages, upload test,
upload+build test)
03:54 mdz fabbione: depends on how many problems are found
03:54 ajmitch mdz: will that change anything for us?
03:54 mdz could be as soon as this month if things go well
03:54 infinity ajmitch : In theory, it should be transparent to the average
uploader.
03:54 infinity (except that build logs will happen differently)
03:54 mdz ajmitch: ideally no, but in practice I expect there will be
noticeable changes ;-)
03:54 Kamion the sync process will probably be different (if not
immediately, then soon enough)
03:54 mdz ajmitch: we'll post details in the announcement when we know
more
03:55 fabbione mdz: for the sake of security, we will run katie in parallel
for sometime?
03:55 pitti from what I have heard, yes
03:55 fabbione like if we need to roll back from one minute to another
fabbione: yes, security uploads will be handled by katie
03:56 mdz until the point of being released, when they'll be published
through soyuz
03:56 pitti for warty, hoary, breezy-security for now
03:56 fabbione mdz: i meant security for distro not -security ;)
03:56 fabbione like soyuz decides that dapper sucks and trashes everything
Same thing, mind you. If katie/wanna-build/buildd is running
03:56 infinity for *-security, we COULD move dapper back to katie if we had
to.
03:56 infinity But hopefully, we won't have to.
03:57 infinity The infrastructure won't get destroyed willy-nilly, just
cause.
fabbione: we won't tear down katie, but I don't expect we'll
03:57 mdz want to build all of the packages using both soyuz and
wanna-build or anything like that
No, rebuilding would be pointless, but importing binary
03:57 infinity packages back into katie later, if we had to, isn't rocket
science.
03:57 fabbione right
03:58 mdz it might be possible to copy the soyuz uploads (source and
binary) to katie
03:58 infinity But here's hoping we don't have to.
03:58 mdz I'll follow up on that with kiko/kinnison
03:58 infinity Teething problems are expected, complete meltdown of soyuz
isn't.
03:58 mdz ok, we're out of time
03:58 mdz thanks, everyone, especially you night-owls ;-)MeetingLogs/DapperDev_2005-12-08 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:15:42 by localhost)