DapperDev_2006-01-19
03:00 mdz good morning all
03:00 mdz everyone accounted for?
03:00 JaneW Mithrandir...
03:00 BenC Mith was awake a short while ago
03:01 JaneW and mgj59 still MIA
03:01 JaneW shall we start in the mean time?
03:01 BenC well, 5 hours ago I guess
03:01 mdz yeah, it's Mithrandir's core hours, so he's surely
around. maybe stepped out
03:01 mdz yes, let's get started
03:02 mdz let's go in reverse order for variety
03:02 dholbach haha :)
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03:02 mdz Riddell first
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03:03 mdz Riddell: ?
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03:04 Riddell mdz: still finishing my notes.. 1 minute
03:04 JaneW tsk
03:04 mdz ok, we'll come back to you. in case it wasn't evident,
you need to prepare in advance
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03:05 mdz is sivang around?
03:05 mdz ok, seb128
GNOME: load of updates for GNOME 2.13.5 (sync with Debian
03:05 seb128 before upload for a bunch, ubuntu patches update for new
code), deal with new bugs and patched for some issues,
load of bug triage
dapper-desktop-plan: some discussion on ubuntu-desktop
about the session dialog, upstream changed the way they
handle that ... what would be the right place to discuss
03:05 seb128 what strategy we wants to take? Out of that no change, I
just keep up with GNOME updates/bug load working full
time (and doing extras hours too) on that. gdm changes
are probably not trivial and I don't know the code, maybe
we could try to bounty that (I'm not opposed working
03:05 seb128 on that but there is a new GNOME every 2 weeks from npw)?
03:06 seb128 next week: dapper desktop plan and bug catchup
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03:06 mdz seb128: if there isn't a consensus among the desktop
team, feel free to copy me on the session dialog stuff
03:06 mdz seb128: any update on the menus-revised feedback?
03:06 seb128 mdz: there is some consensus but that doesn't match what
Mark asked for
03:07 Mithrandir pong
03:07 mdz seb128: ok, then copy me and mark both
03:07 seb128 mdz: I've reactivated the window-properties capplet as
discussed
03:07 seb128 and totem
03:07 seb128 out of that no real complain
03:07 seb128 we should be good
03:07 mdz ok, so the stuff mjg59 posted was resolved?
03:07 seb128 correct
03:07 seb128 that's the window-properties capplet
03:07 infinity mdz: Can I go next, so I can turn my eyes back to the
buildds exploding?
03:07 seb128 we had a consensus on ubuntu-desktop to reactivate it
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03:08 mdz ok, cool
last week: No spec progress, lots of UVF preparation and
last-minute merges, including PHP, MySQL, Subversion, and
03:08 infinity Thunderbird, to name some prominent ones. Fixed glibc
biarch issues last week as well, did some initramfs
hacking, and some livefs hacking.
03:08 infinity next week: Fix the current X mess in the next hour or
two, then vacation and apache mini-sprint.
03:08 mdz infinity: the idea is that everyone is here for the full
meeting, otherwise we'd just email in updates
03:08 infinity oh, and if I can squeeze it in before my flight, I'll
upload a firefox that builds on amd64.
03:09 infinity mdz: Oh, I thought that "ok, cool" was directed at me.
not for the sake of twiddling thumbs, but knowing what
03:09 mdz your teammates are doing and whether you have any role in
it
03:09 doko infinity: hurray firefox!
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mdz: Indeed, I agree. I would have just "phoned it in"
03:10 infinity anyway, except that I'm still around specifically because
of the buildd/archive mess. :)
03:10 mdz infinity: splash-down?
03:10 iwj infinity: Do you know what's wrong with the amd64 ff ?
03:10 mdz infinity: I only just woke up, what's the mess? (via PM
please)
03:10 infinity mdz: splash-down is a "at or immediately after the
sprint" goal.
03:10 iwj That was no.2 on my list today after the version number
fuckup.
03:11 iwj I was hoping the failure was the make syntax problem but
it turns out not to be.
iwj: when you are going to break everything gecko related
03:11 seb128 with a firefox upload that would be nice to ping me
before so we are ready to fix GNOME, thank you :)
infinity: what's delaying it until then? the earlier we
03:11 mdz get the boot/shutdown process sorted for dapper, then
better
03:11 iwj seb128: Um, I didn't know I was going to break
everything. Sorry :-/.
iwj: It looks like a fakeroot bug to me (which I mean to
03:11 infinity dig into later), but the quick fix should just be to pass
-X'*libssl3*' to dh_shlibdeps.
03:12 infinity mdz: What's delaying it before then is that I'm not
around.
03:12 iwj infinity: OK, thanks for the hint, I'll deal with it.
03:12 seb128 iwj: so when you upload firefox it would be nice you try
starting epiphany or devhelp or yelp :)
03:12 iwj seb128: OK, I can do that, NP.
03:12 mdz infinity: oh, you're off next week
03:12 infinity mdz: Right.
03:12 seb128 iwj: you changed some path mozilla-firefox to firefox,
but no big deal a rebuild do the trick :)
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03:13 infinity mdz: Well, off, then apache stuff.
03:13 mdz ok, thanks
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mdz: If the apache stuff doesn't take all the time
03:13 infinity allotted, I'm sure I'll hit up other stuff to hack on
too.
03:13 mdz fabio is on leave
03:13 iwj seb128: Right. Um, I meant to leave a symlink behind
IIRC. But I will test next time.
03:13 mdz JaneW: did he send anything he wanted passed on to the
meeting?
03:13 seb128 iwj: thank you
03:13 pitti (wouldn't ogra be next?)
03:13 JaneW no I didn;t hear from him
03:14 mdz pitti: yes, but since i was looking at infinity...
Sorry for fucking it up. And really sorry for not
03:14 iwj thinking beyond `that's a slightly odd version number' to
`that's probably wrong, actually'.
03:14 mdz pitti: well, no, you'd be next actually ;-)
03:14 pitti oh, heh
last week: security updates, lots of main inclusion
reviews, packaged some new upstream versions, lots of CD
testing, much cupsys love, sanitized sudo, added sudo
hint for beginnersno progress on specs (ENOTIME), the
03:14 pitti remaining specs require a fair amount of intrusive work
that will probably not happen any more for dapper; I
rather want to concentrate on shaking out long-standing
bugs now instead of adding new ones, if that is fine for
mdz?
plan next week: give cups and printing some more love,
some more audio bug fixing (sound card selector and
03:14 pitti .asoundrc handling are still in a bad state, I forgot
about that, so I want to fix it before feature freeze),
some more pending security updates
03:15 pitti oh, sorry for the missing line break
03:15 daniels
03:15 mdz pitti: remaining specs = automatic-printer-conf and
langpacks-desktop-files?
mdz: the former requires a fair amount of new code and
03:16 pitti work, and zyga wanted to look into langpack support for
.server files
03:16 pitti it already works for .desktop for a while
03:16 pitti I'm sure we can get .directory support for dapper at
least
03:16 pitti since it should be pretty easy
03:16 pitti but I refered to the printer stuff, yes
03:17 mdz ok, the printer stuff can slip
argh, sorry, somebody from my letting agent has just
03:17 Kamion called at the door about a fence repair; if I'm not
around, please excuse me and I'll catch up at the end
I'd rather make cups less buggy than add hal-cups-utils
03:17 pitti and try to integrate it; it would probably require sb who
knows more about gnome than me anyway
03:18 mdz if someone is still working on .server files, let's keep
that on the roadmap for dapper
03:18 pitti yes, we shouldn't drop that one yet
03:19 pitti we have the spec 50% implemented already
please track what is happening with it, or make sure that
03:19 mdz zyga communicates with janew or attends the meeting if he
is working on it
03:19 pitti ok, I'll do
03:19 mdz thanks pitti
03:19 mdz ogra: next
03:19 ogra * thin-client-memory-usage: further work on nbd network
swapping.
03:19 ogra * thin-client-faster-startup: played with dash (found
some bashisms in ltsp)
03:19 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no progress, still
need pictures .... mailed sabdfl...
03:19 ogra * general: flight3 testing, assembled a ltsp lab with 5
thin clients i got, merge work
* next week: do a proper measuring of possible dash
03:19 ogra speedup, find a way for gdmsetup or gdm to change the
theme from commandline for edubuntu-artwork, more ltsp
work
03:20 Riddell ogra: what was the problem with KDE starting this
morning?
03:20 mdz ogra: is nbd all that remains on -memory-usage?
03:20 JaneW ogra: what about the flight 3 announcement?
03:20 ogra mdz, nope, i'm waiting for a netboot patch to initramfs
03:21 ogra mdz, and dash might be a big win, i need to get more
numbers
03:21 mdz ogra: faster-startup is still drafting, with a comment
from me in the spec
03:21 ogra mdz, yes, will fix that
03:21 ogra Riddell, that was only a bug i have to inspect
03:21 ogra JaneW, will send it after the meeting
ogra: apart from sabdfl's photos, wasnt' the plan for
03:22 mdz default-image to ask for submissions from the community?
has that happened?
03:22 JaneW ogra: ok thanks
03:22 ogra mdz, jdub wanted to care for that iirc with the other
content stuff
mdz, worst case i'll just put up a package with the
03:22 ogra default background and we could do something like
calendar
ogra: Tackle me at the sprint about all your initramfs
03:23 infinity needs. I think half my time at the sprint will be
hacking people's pet features into initramfs.
03:23 ogra or even leave it like that
03:23 ogra infinity, as i said, i'd be fine fixing my already
existing patch :)
03:23 mdz ogra: you own that spec, not jdub, so make sure that it
doesn't get stalled
03:23 ogra mdz, yes, thats why i described you the fallback
03:23 ogra its doable in 10 min ...
03:24 mdz ogra: screen-saver?
03:24 ogra what about it ? gnome-screensaver is in, the lock dialog
looks ok, or doesnt it to you ?
03:25 mdz ogra: as of last week it was incomplete, and you didn't
provide an update. is it finished or not?
03:25 infinity Of course, we still have two screensavers on every
upgraded system.
they rearranged the buttons like we have them in breezy,
03:25 ogra the rest of the design is pretty near to breezy, i'd call
it implemented
03:25 Kamion back, sorry about that
03:25 mdz yes, one of the notes from last week was that the
transition needs to be figured out
03:25 ogra infinity, not with ubuntu-desktop installed
03:26 mdz yes, with ubuntu-desktop installed
03:26 pitti oh, does u-desktop conflict to xss?
03:26 mdz you get both xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver
03:26 Kamion pitti: no
03:26 Nafallo ogra: yes. ubuntu-desktop doesn't remove things :-)
03:26 ogra ah yes
03:26 pitti would it hurt to have g-s-s conflict to x-s-s?
03:26 ogra but since i'm not allowed to conflict the screensavers,
it looks like chicken egg ...
03:26 Kamion pitti: we've been over this in the breezy cycle
03:27 dholbach pitti: keybuk won't like that. :-)
03:27 pitti ok, /me shuts up
03:27 mdz ogra: the upgrade tool will need to deal with this, talk
with mvo
03:27 mvo I could add it to the upgrade-tool (remove xss)
03:27 mdz mvo: :-)
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03:27 ogra mvo, cool !
03:27 mdz ogra: thanks
03:27 mdz mvo: next
03:27 mvo Did:
03:27 mvo * dist-upgrade tool work:
03:27 mvo - can do breezy->dapper upgrades now
03:27 mvo - announced testversion on ubuntu-devel (to get some
testing etc)
03:27 mvo - obsolete packages detection should work more reliable
now
03:27 mvo - fixed some things in pyhton-apt along the way
03:27 mvo - fixed various bug
03:28 mvo [AutomaticUpgrades]
03:28 mvo * HIGification of update-manager, software-properties,
language-selector
03:28 mvo * gnome-app-install:
03:28 mvo - threading supper for external uris
03:28 mvo - some work on improving the gnome-app-install ui
03:28 mvo [ThirdPartyPackages]
03:28 mvo * various smaller stuff (apt, gksu,
launchpad-integration, update-notifier, etc)
03:28 mvo Next week:
03:28 mvo - work on the ThirdPartyPackages spec and improving the
g-a-i ui
03:28 mvo - getting startup notification working with gksu
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03:28 iwj No, it's quite good like that.
03:28 mdz mvo: any feedback from ubuntu-devel on the upgrade tool?
03:29 mvo mdz: well, it currently breaks because of a transient
problem with the new x :)
03:29 mvo I picked a bad timing
03:29 mdz ok
03:29 infinity Should all be sorted in another cron.daily or two.
03:29 mdz once that mess is sorted, maybe we should hit
-devel-announce
03:29 mvo but got quite a few people testing it so far, so once
that is fixed, I'll ask for re-testing
03:29 mvo mdz: sure, I can ask there too
03:29 mdz mvo: thanks
03:29 mdz JaneW: any update from mjg59?
03:29 JaneW nope
03:30 JaneW I pinged him, but have not had a response
03:30 mdz ok
03:30 mdz please keep trying
03:30 ogra mdz, for power management we're waiting for an upstream
fix
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03:31 mdz ogra: blocking it, or as the only remaining piece?
03:31 mdz wasn't there a daemon to be written?
03:31 ogra mdz, blocking the upgrade to the last version of g-p-m
03:31 ogra thats mjg59's part
03:31 mdz what about the daemon?
03:31 mdz ok
03:31 ogra i have no insight in this area
03:31 mdz Mithrandir: next
03:31 Mithrandir openoffice-amd64: no progress
03:31 Mithrandir live-cd-performance: no further progress
03:31 Mithrandir one-true-path: implemented
simplified-livecd: a fair chunk of keyboard selection
stuff done, but not finished. I found out a tad late
03:31 Mithrandir that ckb is written in perl, so I'll have to rewrite that
in C. I have a sneaky plan on how to do that without
wasting a lot of effort.
03:31 Mithrandir livecd-unionfs: implemented, but has problems on
powerpc. BenC says it's fixed in -13
misc: a lot more time has been spent fighting with X
03:31 Mithrandir keyboard maps than I'd had hoped. I've been trying to
keep *-desktop installable, which is an interesting
challenge.
03:31 Mithrandir probe-for-root-filesystem: no progress
03:32 Mithrandir blocked on: access to popcon.ubuntu.com, people stop
breaking -desktop installability.
03:32 Mithrandir next week: apache-mini-sprint, write lcxkb (linux console
xkeyboard)
03:32 Mithrandir (no idea how those tabs got into the end of lines)
03:32 BenC _should be fixed_ in -13, I have to admit I haven't
tested it
03:32 Mithrandir mea culpa about the wording there.
03:32 mdz Mithrandir: how much of live-cd-performance remains?
03:32 BenC was my fault, I said "it was fixed" :)
03:33 BenC Mithrandir: FYI, the fix was to disable debug, which
should improve performance a lot
03:33 Mithrandir mdz: "depends". As it says in the status, we can squeeze
more out, but it'll be a dimishing returns thing to do.
03:33 Mithrandir BenC: yay
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03:33 Mithrandir mdz: I'm going to play with -lzma a bit, and once scott's
fixes for readahead hits the archive, I'll poke at those
03:33 mdz Mithrandir: ok, happy for us to stick to the low-hanging
fruit for dapper, your call when to say it's enough
03:33 Mithrandir mdz: when that's done, I think I'll call it done for
dapper.
03:34 Mithrandir we've already had _tremendous_ improvements.
03:34 mdz ok
03:34 mdz agreed
03:34 mdz thanks
03:34 mdz JaneW: lathiat, krstic, Keybuk?
03:34 JaneW nothing from lathiat or krstic
03:35 JaneW Keybuk: udev-roadmap: happy with the udev version, newer
versions include
03:35 JaneW support for kernels 2.6.16 and post but we're not
shipping those.
03:35 JaneW streamlined-boot: ifupdown and alsa mods done, ready for
upload now
03:35 JaneW Flight 3 is out.
03:35 JaneW network-magic: still blocked on infinity for same
reason's as last week
03:35 JaneW misc: mom converstion to malone done, no outstanding
necessary merges
03:35 BenC wouldn't it be a good idea to include a udev that
supports the possible next version of the kernel?
mjg59's lending me a laptop with atheros while I'm in
03:36 infinity London, so I can get madwifi-ng tested and in the
archive, FWIW.
people have had lots of problems testing dapper kernels
03:36 BenC because the udev/hotplug upgrade didn't allow them to go
back
03:36 mdz JaneW: is udev-roadmap completed or no?
BenC: udev is moving fast enough that we're not likely to
03:36 jbailey get a udev that will actually support .17 or whatever
we'll have for dapper+1
03:36 JaneW yes implemented
03:36 jbailey BenC: Also, half the problem was not being able to go
back.
03:37 jbailey BenC: I think newer udevs are a bit more firnedly that
way.
03:37 BenC hope so, but guess we wont know till we try it :)
JaneW: we need to unblock network-magic; please ask
03:37 mdz Keybuk if we can just scanning for atheros chips for the
sake of getting it in and testing it
03:38 mdz BenC: I suggest having a chat with Keybuk about what can
be done there
03:38 JaneW mdz: ok
03:38 mdz we're way behind on time
03:38 mdz Riddell: next, before I forget (I have a shallow stack
this early in the morning)
03:38 Riddell kubuntu-roadmap-dapper: sudo/iceauth fix done pending
final testing, flight 3 testing
03:38 Riddell kubuntu-documentation: build fixes, releasenotes is
caught up, writers starting on quickguide now
03:38 Riddell kubuntu-express: mostly done qtparted changes
03:38 Riddell todo: KDE 3.5.1 packages
blocking: kubuntu-system-tools need meeting with mdz,
03:38 Riddell mornfall and me to sort bounty. having an account to be
able to update kubuntu.org would be really nice
03:38 mdz Riddell: which bits of kubuntu-roadmap-dapper remain?
03:39 mdz Riddell: account -> admin RT
03:39 Riddell rt has been sent
03:39 Riddell most of the deliverables of kubuntu-roadmap-dapper are in
03:40 Riddell it's just tidying up what's broken (e.g. cups)
03:40 mdz no remaining milestones then?
03:41 mdz for these multipart specs what we need is a feel for how
far along they are
03:41 JaneW mdz: I have mailed keybuk
03:41 mdz JaneW: thanks
03:41 Riddell GStreamer 0.10 support would of course be nice, not sure
how possible that is
03:41 mdz eek, we're behind on time
03:41 mdz Kamion: next
ubuntu-express: Lots of bug fixes to the point where I
can actually do an installation and the result boots,
03:41 Kamion although a few things are wrong. Will be ready to upload
an initial version next week (manual partitioning only,
and strictly for the brave).
ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Made espresso run
03:41 Kamion casper-provided hooks, and gave Tollef a list of initial
hooks to create.
ubuntu-express-bootloader: Ready to do espresso-grub now,
but semi-blocked on
03:41 Kamion https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/2788; ddaa
is working on merging my patch with high priority. If it
doesn't get resolved today then I'll work around it.
cd-bootloader: Started working on a keymap menu. Found
that I need to do some pretty scary processing on Linux
03:41 Kamion keymap files to make this work, but I'm nearly done with
that now. Should be straightforward to convert to X
keymap handling if/when we're ready for that elsewhere.
03:42 Kamion misc: Flight CD 3. Some merge catch-up.
next-week: Final merges. Finish cd-bootloader keymap
03:42 Kamion support and do localised help. Initial espresso upload
for developer testing.
03:42 mdz Kamion: brave folks like ubuntu-devel?
03:42 Kamion mdz: right
03:42 mdz cool, looking forward to it
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03:43 mdz UE is looking good; at what point will it be possible to
get someone started on the UI wokr?
03:43 Kamion after the sprint, I should think
03:43 mdz ok
03:43 Kamion just after, I mean :)
03:43 mdz thanks
03:43 Kamion "2168"
03:43 pitti ?
03:43 mdz JaneW: I don't suppose there's an update from jdub
03:43 JaneW nope
03:44 Kamion the year 2168 is after the sprint, but rather further
after than I meant
03:44 JaneW I mailed silbs and she said she is working on a plan
03:44 pitti heh, ok :)
03:44 pitti Kamion: I thought it would be l33t sp34k or so
Kamion: please let SteveA/kiko know that 2788 is blocking
03:44 mdz very high-priority work so that it's on their radar, if
you haven't already
03:45 mdz jbailey: anything to report?
LocalesThatDontSuck: Can we update to a newer locales
snapshot from Belocs after UVF? This involves some code
03:45 jbailey updates for the localedef program. If yes, when should
be the stop date on that? Otherwise, we should plan to
backport a few changes and work around the slight format
changes.
03:45 jbailey ToolchainRoadmap: Thanks to Adam for finishing the biarch
work.
03:45 jbailey ToolchainRoadmapNg: i686 decision to be made in person
with distroteam at the sprint.
03:45 jbailey Other: Still in London at a sprint, will be back to
regular work stuff on Monday from home.
Packages: Haven't managed to hand off grub to zul yet -
03:45 jbailey Still need to sync up for a round of bug triage. If
there's someone else with time who can help dive in, I'd
appreciate it.
03:45 Kamion mdz: ok
03:45 mdz jbailey: newer snapshot doesn't sound too scary
03:45 mdz stop date will depend on how things go
03:45 jbailey mdz: No, I'm pretty happy with the idea.
03:46 mdz jbailey: is there anything ubuntu-ish in the grub bug
list or is it pretty much gardening for upstream bugs?
03:46 pitti mdz: the new locales package is prepared and ready for
upload, btw
Pretty much just a pile of upstream bugs. We haven't
03:46 jbailey done anything new with it, so there's no regressions that
I know of.
03:46 mdz pitti: ok
03:46 mdz ok
03:46 mdz thanks jbailey
03:46 mdz iwj: next
AutomatedTesting: Tester core initial implementation
finished. I can run my one test test case (all of the
03:46 iwj upstream tests in `mawk', as one in the tests/control
file). I got diverted into ff again before I could turn
it from a pile of code into a package. This package will
be in sid and dapper RSN.
AutomatedTesting: ... Then I'll can document what I've
03:46 iwj done properly (with mails to {debian,ubuntu}-devel). And
try adding some tests to a few more interesting packages
and playing with it some more.
03:46 iwj Firefox: Now synched with Debian and upstream 1.5;
version number problems will be `fixed' today.
Firefox amd64 FTBFS: I will also look into this
03:46 iwj today. I may need some help from a toolchain expert by
the looks of it.
03:46 iwj Firefox: I seem to be establishing a reasonably good
relationship with the Debian maintainers.
DefaultApplicationsFirefox: no change since last
03:46 iwj report. I will pick this up properly when
AutomatedTesting is done.
03:46 iwj DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked.
03:46 iwj Bugs backlog: awful. Don't get me started again about
Malone.
03:46 iwj Email backlog: not too bad if you ignore bug mails.
jbailey: otavio (in Debian) is keen on helping us if we
03:47 Kamion actually start sending him our patches a little more
reliably :-)
03:47 Kamion jbailey: (with grub)
03:47 iwj Scratch that about a toolchain expert, if infinity is
right about the amd64 ff problem.
iwj: have you talked with the sysadmins about a place to
03:47 mdz run the automated tests periodically? would be very
cool to be able to see the output published somewhere
03:47 jbailey Kamion: Thanks for the heads up
mdz: No, I haven't done any of that at all. I was going
03:48 iwj to publish the code first and then talk to the sysadmins
about the right kind of glue they wanted.
03:48 iwj They probably need a new virtualisation server (or
options) or something.
03:48 mdz iwj: I'd be interested in a typescript sort of demo of
what you have, by email
03:48 mdz iwj: thanks
03:48 mdz doko: next
03:48 doko status:
- toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch, all dependent packages
03:48 doko (gcc* and lib32*) updated, binutils synced, spec is
nearing the "implemented" status.
03:48 doko - toolchain-dapper+1: blocked by preparation of
wanna-build and buildd infrastructure (no change)
03:48 doko - openoffice-gnome: not started (no change)
03:48 doko - openoffice-help: implemented (no change)
03:48 iwj mdz: Sure. I'll put a transcript in my announcement when
I make it.
03:49 doko - openoffice-spellchecking: not started (no change)
03:49 doko - native-java-gcj: infrastructure is ready, packaging of
-gcj binary packages not started (no change)
- java-roadmap: mostly done, pending are eclipse updates
03:49 doko (blocked by firefox-dev/mozilla-dev) and the
native-java-gcj support, delaying that in favour of an
openoffice.org-gcj package
03:49 doko - python-roadmap: proposal implemented, testing outside
the archive now.
03:49 doko this week:
- openoffice.org: fix installability issue, ongoing
03:49 doko merging with Debian unstable, setup baz archive for the
debian/ parts
03:49 doko - python-roadmap: python-central update, uploaded to
people.ubuntu.com
03:49 doko - toolchain-roadmap: biarch updates, binutils update
- other: syncs/merges, updates to new upstream versions,
03:49 doko amd64 server upgrade/then new install (badly needed)
including bug submissions
03:49 doko next week:
03:49 doko - finish openoffice.org sync, together with spellchecking
03:49 doko - drop python2.3 (either with or without python-central
support)
03:49 doko - update the estimates for the specs (they are not
current)
03:49 jbailey doko: Does the openoffice.org sync include 2.0.1 to
breezy-updates?
03:49 mdz doko: how disruptive will python-central be?
mdz: not disruptive at all, it's just dropping of
03:51 doko packages, not introduceing new one (python-central only
(or python-support, whatever will survive)
03:51 mdz ok
03:51 mdz thanks
03:51 mdz dholbach: next
this week (done): GNOME 2.13.5, alongside with merges of
03:51 dholbach every package, started apt-get.org building (status:
good: 352, fail: 639, Current repo: 177/326)
03:51 dholbach this week (todo): bug triage, some more merges, start
apt-get.org reviews.
03:51 dholbach next week: bug triage, apt-get.org reviews
03:52 mdz dholbach: test-plans?
03:52 doko jbailey: yeeess, it breaks some things (-base), but maybe
let's talk about it later.
03:52 JaneW Still can't find mjg59 - so I mailed him for an update.
03:52 mdz JaneW: thanks
03:52 jbailey doko: Cool, thanks.
mdz: They are good to go. I added the gstreamer test case
03:52 dholbach URL to the wiki, the media team is going to pick some
reference files.
03:52 mdz dholbach: implemented?
03:52 dholbach mdz: oh yes, I'll change that.
03:52 mdz or waiting for content?
03:53 dholbach no, we're not blocked on content
03:53 mdz ok
03:53 mdz cool, thanks
03:53 dholbach de rien
03:53 mdz daniels: here?
x-roadmap: xorg source package uploaded with cleaner
config, lots of cruft kicked out. x{,org,server}-common
all collapsed into x11-common, transition should just be
03:53 daniels finished as we speak. fixed an entertaining bug with
some radeon laptops where the panel wouldn't display
anything even vaguely useful. marked as implemented in
lp.
03:54 mdz daniels: no further breakage on the roadmap then?
03:54 daniels certainly none planned from me ...
03:54 mdz ok, thakns
03:54 daniels it should be safe to slip into maintenance mode now.
03:54 infinity After today, it should be smooth sailing.
03:54 mdz BenC: next
03:55 doko daniels: 1920x1200 resolution on amd64 doesn't work
preventing-hardware-support-regressions: Builds for i386
and amd64 are being done and published to
03:55 BenC http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels-daily/.
PowerPC will start today aswell. Total space per day is
going to be around 260Megs, so I'm worried about space on
rookery. Will keep an eye on it.
community-server-hardware-testing: (No work from me,
03:55 BenC but...) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTesting is in
place. I reviewed it, and am in the process of adding
additional info and criteria.
Kernel status: Kernel seems stable on all platforms. No
03:55 BenC critical outstanding issues, but some important bugs are
lingering. Concentrating on fixing these next week.
the only thing I can think of is that I ripped out the
03:55 daniels language -> keymap 'smarts' assuming that lcxkb goes
ahead. you'll need to revert that one if it doesn't.
03:55 daniels doko: bug please
03:56 mdz BenC: please ask sysadmin if they would prefer to move
the builds elsewhere; how many are you planning to keep?
03:56 JaneW ** 5 minute call
03:56 BenC I already asked elmo, he was good with it
03:56 mdz BenC: is ServerTesting ready to announce to the community
for testing?
03:56 BenC there's 21Gigs on rookery, so I'm thinking two weeks
worth
03:57 BenC mdz: hopefully, but I need to finish my review of it
03:57 mdz BenC: is sabdfl's X40 fix in the archive now?
03:57 BenC uploading today
03:57 BenC it's not an X40 issue
03:57 BenC it's a wireless bug
03:57 mdz oh, he thought it was
03:57 mdz ok, one request before we adjourn
03:58 mdz please email me your top three issues with Malone,
assuming you have that many
03:58 pitti lol
03:58 ogra heh
=== BenC has more :)
03:58 Nafallo hah
03:58 pitti that would mean serious picking :)
03:58 mdz I'll collate them for the LP folks
03:58 pitti mdz: thank you
03:58 BenC thanks
03:58 Kamion soyuz rollout next week, is it?
03:59 mdz yes, soyuz rollout next week
03:59 iwj mdz: Um. OK :-).
03:59 iwj Joy.
03:59 Nafallo yay!
03:59 Nafallo finally soyuz :-)
03:59 mdz look out for an announcement of what the visible changes
will be
03:59 iwj If I put `the web UI is awful' at the top of my list,
what will happen ? :-/
03:59 \sh christmas so early this year?
03:59 mdz iwj: nothing, because that's too vague to be useful
03:59 mdz iwj: instead, point to specific UI issues
04:00 pitti iwj: kiko and sabdfl will just beat you up, I guess :)
04:00 daniels https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4537
04:00 daniels https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4537
04:00 daniels https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4537
04:00 daniels https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4537
04:00 pitti four times?
04:00 daniels christ! sorry.
04:00 iwj 1. `Navigation structure must be totally reorganised' and
2. `Page layout must be completely reorganised' ?
04:00 daniels this mouse is pathological.
04:00 mdz iwj: this isn't a joke
04:00 iwj You'll have seen my more detailed messages.
04:00 iwj I'm not joking.
04:00 iwj There's no point tinkering at the edges.
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04:01 mdz iwj: there are things we can do, and things that we
can't, especially in the near term
04:01 mdz and we're out of time here
04:01 iwj I'm happy to write up a more messages with serious
descriptions of what I think is wrong.
04:01 seb128 "out should not have to open 4 pages to update a bug"
04:01 iwj time> true.
04:01 mdz thanks, everyone
04:01 seb128 s/out/you
04:01 iwj near term> go back to bugzilla ?
04:01 JaneW thanks all
04:01 seb128 thank you mdz
iwj: I think you shuold rather point out how it should be
04:01 pitti changed (and, FWIW, I agree that navigation is pretty
hard ATM)
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04:01 JaneW next week 20:00 UTC
04:01 dholbach thank you mdz
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