DapperDev_2006-01-19
03:00 mdz good morning all 03:00 mdz everyone accounted for? 03:00 JaneW Mithrandir... 03:00 BenC Mith was awake a short while ago 03:01 JaneW and mgj59 still MIA 03:01 JaneW shall we start in the mean time? 03:01 BenC well, 5 hours ago I guess 03:01 mdz yeah, it's Mithrandir's core hours, so he's surely around. maybe stepped out 03:01 mdz yes, let's get started 03:02 mdz let's go in reverse order for variety 03:02 dholbach haha :) === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:02 mdz Riddell first === Danten [n=danten@h231n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === teroedni [n=teroedni@ti411310a080-3401.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Chopmo [n=jtj@browser3.eos.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:03 mdz Riddell: ? === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@unaffiliated/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:04 Riddell mdz: still finishing my notes.. 1 minute 03:04 JaneW tsk 03:04 mdz ok, we'll come back to you. in case it wasn't evident, you need to prepare in advance === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:05 mdz is sivang around? 03:05 mdz ok, seb128 GNOME: load of updates for GNOME 2.13.5 (sync with Debian 03:05 seb128 before upload for a bunch, ubuntu patches update for new code), deal with new bugs and patched for some issues, load of bug triage dapper-desktop-plan: some discussion on ubuntu-desktop about the session dialog, upstream changed the way they handle that ... what would be the right place to discuss 03:05 seb128 what strategy we wants to take? Out of that no change, I just keep up with GNOME updates/bug load working full time (and doing extras hours too) on that. gdm changes are probably not trivial and I don't know the code, maybe we could try to bounty that (I'm not opposed working 03:05 seb128 on that but there is a new GNOME every 2 weeks from npw)? 03:06 seb128 next week: dapper desktop plan and bug catchup === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:06 mdz seb128: if there isn't a consensus among the desktop team, feel free to copy me on the session dialog stuff 03:06 mdz seb128: any update on the menus-revised feedback? 03:06 seb128 mdz: there is some consensus but that doesn't match what Mark asked for 03:07 Mithrandir pong 03:07 mdz seb128: ok, then copy me and mark both 03:07 seb128 mdz: I've reactivated the window-properties capplet as discussed 03:07 seb128 and totem 03:07 seb128 out of that no real complain 03:07 seb128 we should be good 03:07 mdz ok, so the stuff mjg59 posted was resolved? 03:07 seb128 correct 03:07 seb128 that's the window-properties capplet 03:07 infinity mdz: Can I go next, so I can turn my eyes back to the buildds exploding? 03:07 seb128 we had a consensus on ubuntu-desktop to reactivate it === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:08 mdz ok, cool last week: No spec progress, lots of UVF preparation and last-minute merges, including PHP, MySQL, Subversion, and 03:08 infinity Thunderbird, to name some prominent ones. Fixed glibc biarch issues last week as well, did some initramfs hacking, and some livefs hacking. 03:08 infinity next week: Fix the current X mess in the next hour or two, then vacation and apache mini-sprint. 03:08 mdz infinity: the idea is that everyone is here for the full meeting, otherwise we'd just email in updates 03:08 infinity oh, and if I can squeeze it in before my flight, I'll upload a firefox that builds on amd64. 03:09 infinity mdz: Oh, I thought that "ok, cool" was directed at me. not for the sake of twiddling thumbs, but knowing what 03:09 mdz your teammates are doing and whether you have any role in it 03:09 doko infinity: hurray firefox! === jbailey [n=jbailey@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-meeting mdz: Indeed, I agree. I would have just "phoned it in" 03:10 infinity anyway, except that I'm still around specifically because of the buildd/archive mess. :) 03:10 mdz infinity: splash-down? 03:10 iwj infinity: Do you know what's wrong with the amd64 ff ? 03:10 mdz infinity: I only just woke up, what's the mess? (via PM please) 03:10 infinity mdz: splash-down is a "at or immediately after the sprint" goal. 03:10 iwj That was no.2 on my list today after the version number fuckup. 03:11 iwj I was hoping the failure was the make syntax problem but it turns out not to be. iwj: when you are going to break everything gecko related 03:11 seb128 with a firefox upload that would be nice to ping me before so we are ready to fix GNOME, thank you :) infinity: what's delaying it until then? the earlier we 03:11 mdz get the boot/shutdown process sorted for dapper, then better 03:11 iwj seb128: Um, I didn't know I was going to break everything. Sorry :-/. iwj: It looks like a fakeroot bug to me (which I mean to 03:11 infinity dig into later), but the quick fix should just be to pass -X'*libssl3*' to dh_shlibdeps. 03:12 infinity mdz: What's delaying it before then is that I'm not around. 03:12 iwj infinity: OK, thanks for the hint, I'll deal with it. 03:12 seb128 iwj: so when you upload firefox it would be nice you try starting epiphany or devhelp or yelp :) 03:12 iwj seb128: OK, I can do that, NP. 03:12 mdz infinity: oh, you're off next week 03:12 infinity mdz: Right. 03:12 seb128 iwj: you changed some path mozilla-firefox to firefox, but no big deal a rebuild do the trick :) === kent [n=kent@h55d210.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:13 infinity mdz: Well, off, then apache stuff. 03:13 mdz ok, thanks === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting mdz: If the apache stuff doesn't take all the time 03:13 infinity allotted, I'm sure I'll hit up other stuff to hack on too. 03:13 mdz fabio is on leave 03:13 iwj seb128: Right. Um, I meant to leave a symlink behind IIRC. But I will test next time. 03:13 mdz JaneW: did he send anything he wanted passed on to the meeting? 03:13 seb128 iwj: thank you 03:13 pitti (wouldn't ogra be next?) 03:13 JaneW no I didn;t hear from him 03:14 mdz pitti: yes, but since i was looking at infinity... Sorry for fucking it up. And really sorry for not 03:14 iwj thinking beyond `that's a slightly odd version number' to `that's probably wrong, actually'. 03:14 mdz pitti: well, no, you'd be next actually ;-) 03:14 pitti oh, heh last week: security updates, lots of main inclusion reviews, packaged some new upstream versions, lots of CD testing, much cupsys love, sanitized sudo, added sudo hint for beginnersno progress on specs (ENOTIME), the 03:14 pitti remaining specs require a fair amount of intrusive work that will probably not happen any more for dapper; I rather want to concentrate on shaking out long-standing bugs now instead of adding new ones, if that is fine for mdz? plan next week: give cups and printing some more love, some more audio bug fixing (sound card selector and 03:14 pitti .asoundrc handling are still in a bad state, I forgot about that, so I want to fix it before feature freeze), some more pending security updates 03:15 pitti oh, sorry for the missing line break 03:15 daniels 03:15 mdz pitti: remaining specs = automatic-printer-conf and langpacks-desktop-files? mdz: the former requires a fair amount of new code and 03:16 pitti work, and zyga wanted to look into langpack support for .server files 03:16 pitti it already works for .desktop for a while 03:16 pitti I'm sure we can get .directory support for dapper at least 03:16 pitti since it should be pretty easy 03:16 pitti but I refered to the printer stuff, yes 03:17 mdz ok, the printer stuff can slip argh, sorry, somebody from my letting agent has just 03:17 Kamion called at the door about a fence repair; if I'm not around, please excuse me and I'll catch up at the end I'd rather make cups less buggy than add hal-cups-utils 03:17 pitti and try to integrate it; it would probably require sb who knows more about gnome than me anyway 03:18 mdz if someone is still working on .server files, let's keep that on the roadmap for dapper 03:18 pitti yes, we shouldn't drop that one yet 03:19 pitti we have the spec 50% implemented already please track what is happening with it, or make sure that 03:19 mdz zyga communicates with janew or attends the meeting if he is working on it 03:19 pitti ok, I'll do 03:19 mdz thanks pitti 03:19 mdz ogra: next 03:19 ogra * thin-client-memory-usage: further work on nbd network swapping. 03:19 ogra * thin-client-faster-startup: played with dash (found some bashisms in ltsp) 03:19 ogra * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no progress, still need pictures .... mailed sabdfl... 03:19 ogra * general: flight3 testing, assembled a ltsp lab with 5 thin clients i got, merge work * next week: do a proper measuring of possible dash 03:19 ogra speedup, find a way for gdmsetup or gdm to change the theme from commandline for edubuntu-artwork, more ltsp work 03:20 Riddell ogra: what was the problem with KDE starting this morning? 03:20 mdz ogra: is nbd all that remains on -memory-usage? 03:20 JaneW ogra: what about the flight 3 announcement? 03:20 ogra mdz, nope, i'm waiting for a netboot patch to initramfs 03:21 ogra mdz, and dash might be a big win, i need to get more numbers 03:21 mdz ogra: faster-startup is still drafting, with a comment from me in the spec 03:21 ogra mdz, yes, will fix that 03:21 ogra Riddell, that was only a bug i have to inspect 03:21 ogra JaneW, will send it after the meeting ogra: apart from sabdfl's photos, wasnt' the plan for 03:22 mdz default-image to ask for submissions from the community? has that happened? 03:22 JaneW ogra: ok thanks 03:22 ogra mdz, jdub wanted to care for that iirc with the other content stuff mdz, worst case i'll just put up a package with the 03:22 ogra default background and we could do something like calendar ogra: Tackle me at the sprint about all your initramfs 03:23 infinity needs. I think half my time at the sprint will be hacking people's pet features into initramfs. 03:23 ogra or even leave it like that 03:23 ogra infinity, as i said, i'd be fine fixing my already existing patch :) 03:23 mdz ogra: you own that spec, not jdub, so make sure that it doesn't get stalled 03:23 ogra mdz, yes, thats why i described you the fallback 03:23 ogra its doable in 10 min ... 03:24 mdz ogra: screen-saver? 03:24 ogra what about it ? gnome-screensaver is in, the lock dialog looks ok, or doesnt it to you ? 03:25 mdz ogra: as of last week it was incomplete, and you didn't provide an update. is it finished or not? 03:25 infinity Of course, we still have two screensavers on every upgraded system. they rearranged the buttons like we have them in breezy, 03:25 ogra the rest of the design is pretty near to breezy, i'd call it implemented 03:25 Kamion back, sorry about that 03:25 mdz yes, one of the notes from last week was that the transition needs to be figured out 03:25 ogra infinity, not with ubuntu-desktop installed 03:26 mdz yes, with ubuntu-desktop installed 03:26 pitti oh, does u-desktop conflict to xss? 03:26 mdz you get both xscreensaver and gnome-screensaver 03:26 Kamion pitti: no 03:26 Nafallo ogra: yes. ubuntu-desktop doesn't remove things :-) 03:26 ogra ah yes 03:26 pitti would it hurt to have g-s-s conflict to x-s-s? 03:26 ogra but since i'm not allowed to conflict the screensavers, it looks like chicken egg ... 03:26 Kamion pitti: we've been over this in the breezy cycle 03:27 dholbach pitti: keybuk won't like that. :-) 03:27 pitti ok, /me shuts up 03:27 mdz ogra: the upgrade tool will need to deal with this, talk with mvo 03:27 mvo I could add it to the upgrade-tool (remove xss) 03:27 mdz mvo: :-) === dholbach hugs mvo 03:27 ogra mvo, cool ! 03:27 mdz ogra: thanks 03:27 mdz mvo: next 03:27 mvo Did: 03:27 mvo * dist-upgrade tool work: 03:27 mvo - can do breezy->dapper upgrades now 03:27 mvo - announced testversion on ubuntu-devel (to get some testing etc) 03:27 mvo - obsolete packages detection should work more reliable now 03:27 mvo - fixed some things in pyhton-apt along the way 03:27 mvo - fixed various bug 03:28 mvo [AutomaticUpgrades] 03:28 mvo * HIGification of update-manager, software-properties, language-selector 03:28 mvo * gnome-app-install: 03:28 mvo - threading supper for external uris 03:28 mvo - some work on improving the gnome-app-install ui 03:28 mvo [ThirdPartyPackages] 03:28 mvo * various smaller stuff (apt, gksu, launchpad-integration, update-notifier, etc) 03:28 mvo Next week: 03:28 mvo - work on the ThirdPartyPackages spec and improving the g-a-i ui 03:28 mvo - getting startup notification working with gksu === mvo wonders if he shouldn't make his report a bit more dense 03:28 iwj No, it's quite good like that. 03:28 mdz mvo: any feedback from ubuntu-devel on the upgrade tool? 03:29 mvo mdz: well, it currently breaks because of a transient problem with the new x :) 03:29 mvo I picked a bad timing 03:29 mdz ok 03:29 infinity Should all be sorted in another cron.daily or two. 03:29 mdz once that mess is sorted, maybe we should hit -devel-announce 03:29 mvo but got quite a few people testing it so far, so once that is fixed, I'll ask for re-testing 03:29 mvo mdz: sure, I can ask there too 03:29 mdz mvo: thanks 03:29 mdz JaneW: any update from mjg59? 03:29 JaneW nope 03:30 JaneW I pinged him, but have not had a response 03:30 mdz ok 03:30 mdz please keep trying 03:30 ogra mdz, for power management we're waiting for an upstream fix === migma [n=migma@unaffiliated/migma] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:31 mdz ogra: blocking it, or as the only remaining piece? 03:31 mdz wasn't there a daemon to be written? 03:31 ogra mdz, blocking the upgrade to the last version of g-p-m 03:31 ogra thats mjg59's part 03:31 mdz what about the daemon? 03:31 mdz ok 03:31 ogra i have no insight in this area 03:31 mdz Mithrandir: next 03:31 Mithrandir openoffice-amd64: no progress 03:31 Mithrandir live-cd-performance: no further progress 03:31 Mithrandir one-true-path: implemented simplified-livecd: a fair chunk of keyboard selection stuff done, but not finished. I found out a tad late 03:31 Mithrandir that ckb is written in perl, so I'll have to rewrite that in C. I have a sneaky plan on how to do that without wasting a lot of effort. 03:31 Mithrandir livecd-unionfs: implemented, but has problems on powerpc. BenC says it's fixed in -13 misc: a lot more time has been spent fighting with X 03:31 Mithrandir keyboard maps than I'd had hoped. I've been trying to keep *-desktop installable, which is an interesting challenge. 03:31 Mithrandir probe-for-root-filesystem: no progress 03:32 Mithrandir blocked on: access to popcon.ubuntu.com, people stop breaking -desktop installability. 03:32 Mithrandir next week: apache-mini-sprint, write lcxkb (linux console xkeyboard) 03:32 Mithrandir (no idea how those tabs got into the end of lines) 03:32 BenC _should be fixed_ in -13, I have to admit I haven't tested it 03:32 Mithrandir mea culpa about the wording there. 03:32 mdz Mithrandir: how much of live-cd-performance remains? 03:32 BenC was my fault, I said "it was fixed" :) 03:33 BenC Mithrandir: FYI, the fix was to disable debug, which should improve performance a lot 03:33 Mithrandir mdz: "depends". As it says in the status, we can squeeze more out, but it'll be a dimishing returns thing to do. 03:33 Mithrandir BenC: yay === Simira [n=rpGirl@118.84-48-121.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:33 Mithrandir mdz: I'm going to play with -lzma a bit, and once scott's fixes for readahead hits the archive, I'll poke at those 03:33 mdz Mithrandir: ok, happy for us to stick to the low-hanging fruit for dapper, your call when to say it's enough 03:33 Mithrandir mdz: when that's done, I think I'll call it done for dapper. 03:34 Mithrandir we've already had _tremendous_ improvements. 03:34 mdz ok 03:34 mdz agreed 03:34 mdz thanks 03:34 mdz JaneW: lathiat, krstic, Keybuk? 03:34 JaneW nothing from lathiat or krstic 03:35 JaneW Keybuk: udev-roadmap: happy with the udev version, newer versions include 03:35 JaneW support for kernels 2.6.16 and post but we're not shipping those. 03:35 JaneW streamlined-boot: ifupdown and alsa mods done, ready for upload now 03:35 JaneW Flight 3 is out. 03:35 JaneW network-magic: still blocked on infinity for same reason's as last week 03:35 JaneW misc: mom converstion to malone done, no outstanding necessary merges 03:35 BenC wouldn't it be a good idea to include a udev that supports the possible next version of the kernel? mjg59's lending me a laptop with atheros while I'm in 03:36 infinity London, so I can get madwifi-ng tested and in the archive, FWIW. people have had lots of problems testing dapper kernels 03:36 BenC because the udev/hotplug upgrade didn't allow them to go back 03:36 mdz JaneW: is udev-roadmap completed or no? BenC: udev is moving fast enough that we're not likely to 03:36 jbailey get a udev that will actually support .17 or whatever we'll have for dapper+1 03:36 JaneW yes implemented 03:36 jbailey BenC: Also, half the problem was not being able to go back. 03:37 jbailey BenC: I think newer udevs are a bit more firnedly that way. 03:37 BenC hope so, but guess we wont know till we try it :) JaneW: we need to unblock network-magic; please ask 03:37 mdz Keybuk if we can just scanning for atheros chips for the sake of getting it in and testing it 03:38 mdz BenC: I suggest having a chat with Keybuk about what can be done there 03:38 JaneW mdz: ok 03:38 mdz we're way behind on time 03:38 mdz Riddell: next, before I forget (I have a shallow stack this early in the morning) 03:38 Riddell kubuntu-roadmap-dapper: sudo/iceauth fix done pending final testing, flight 3 testing 03:38 Riddell kubuntu-documentation: build fixes, releasenotes is caught up, writers starting on quickguide now 03:38 Riddell kubuntu-express: mostly done qtparted changes 03:38 Riddell todo: KDE 3.5.1 packages blocking: kubuntu-system-tools need meeting with mdz, 03:38 Riddell mornfall and me to sort bounty. having an account to be able to update kubuntu.org would be really nice 03:38 mdz Riddell: which bits of kubuntu-roadmap-dapper remain? 03:39 mdz Riddell: account -> admin RT 03:39 Riddell rt has been sent 03:39 Riddell most of the deliverables of kubuntu-roadmap-dapper are in 03:40 Riddell it's just tidying up what's broken (e.g. cups) 03:40 mdz no remaining milestones then? 03:41 mdz for these multipart specs what we need is a feel for how far along they are 03:41 JaneW mdz: I have mailed keybuk 03:41 mdz JaneW: thanks 03:41 Riddell GStreamer 0.10 support would of course be nice, not sure how possible that is 03:41 mdz eek, we're behind on time 03:41 mdz Kamion: next ubuntu-express: Lots of bug fixes to the point where I can actually do an installation and the result boots, 03:41 Kamion although a few things are wrong. Will be ready to upload an initial version next week (manual partitioning only, and strictly for the brave). ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Made espresso run 03:41 Kamion casper-provided hooks, and gave Tollef a list of initial hooks to create. ubuntu-express-bootloader: Ready to do espresso-grub now, but semi-blocked on 03:41 Kamion https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/2788; ddaa is working on merging my patch with high priority. If it doesn't get resolved today then I'll work around it. cd-bootloader: Started working on a keymap menu. Found that I need to do some pretty scary processing on Linux 03:41 Kamion keymap files to make this work, but I'm nearly done with that now. Should be straightforward to convert to X keymap handling if/when we're ready for that elsewhere. 03:42 Kamion misc: Flight CD 3. Some merge catch-up. next-week: Final merges. Finish cd-bootloader keymap 03:42 Kamion support and do localised help. Initial espresso upload for developer testing. 03:42 mdz Kamion: brave folks like ubuntu-devel? 03:42 Kamion mdz: right 03:42 mdz cool, looking forward to it === Chopmo [n=jtj@browser3.eos.dk] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 03:43 mdz UE is looking good; at what point will it be possible to get someone started on the UI wokr? 03:43 Kamion after the sprint, I should think 03:43 mdz ok 03:43 Kamion just after, I mean :) 03:43 mdz thanks 03:43 Kamion "2168" 03:43 pitti ? 03:43 mdz JaneW: I don't suppose there's an update from jdub 03:43 JaneW nope 03:44 Kamion the year 2168 is after the sprint, but rather further after than I meant 03:44 JaneW I mailed silbs and she said she is working on a plan 03:44 pitti heh, ok :) 03:44 pitti Kamion: I thought it would be l33t sp34k or so Kamion: please let SteveA/kiko know that 2788 is blocking 03:44 mdz very high-priority work so that it's on their radar, if you haven't already 03:45 mdz jbailey: anything to report? LocalesThatDontSuck: Can we update to a newer locales snapshot from Belocs after UVF? This involves some code 03:45 jbailey updates for the localedef program. If yes, when should be the stop date on that? Otherwise, we should plan to backport a few changes and work around the slight format changes. 03:45 jbailey ToolchainRoadmap: Thanks to Adam for finishing the biarch work. 03:45 jbailey ToolchainRoadmapNg: i686 decision to be made in person with distroteam at the sprint. 03:45 jbailey Other: Still in London at a sprint, will be back to regular work stuff on Monday from home. Packages: Haven't managed to hand off grub to zul yet - 03:45 jbailey Still need to sync up for a round of bug triage. If there's someone else with time who can help dive in, I'd appreciate it. 03:45 Kamion mdz: ok 03:45 mdz jbailey: newer snapshot doesn't sound too scary 03:45 mdz stop date will depend on how things go 03:45 jbailey mdz: No, I'm pretty happy with the idea. 03:46 mdz jbailey: is there anything ubuntu-ish in the grub bug list or is it pretty much gardening for upstream bugs? 03:46 pitti mdz: the new locales package is prepared and ready for upload, btw Pretty much just a pile of upstream bugs. We haven't 03:46 jbailey done anything new with it, so there's no regressions that I know of. 03:46 mdz pitti: ok 03:46 mdz ok 03:46 mdz thanks jbailey 03:46 mdz iwj: next AutomatedTesting: Tester core initial implementation finished. I can run my one test test case (all of the 03:46 iwj upstream tests in `mawk', as one in the tests/control file). I got diverted into ff again before I could turn it from a pile of code into a package. This package will be in sid and dapper RSN. AutomatedTesting: ... Then I'll can document what I've 03:46 iwj done properly (with mails to {debian,ubuntu}-devel). And try adding some tests to a few more interesting packages and playing with it some more. 03:46 iwj Firefox: Now synched with Debian and upstream 1.5; version number problems will be `fixed' today. Firefox amd64 FTBFS: I will also look into this 03:46 iwj today. I may need some help from a toolchain expert by the looks of it. 03:46 iwj Firefox: I seem to be establishing a reasonably good relationship with the Debian maintainers. DefaultApplicationsFirefox: no change since last 03:46 iwj report. I will pick this up properly when AutomatedTesting is done. 03:46 iwj DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked. 03:46 iwj Bugs backlog: awful. Don't get me started again about Malone. 03:46 iwj Email backlog: not too bad if you ignore bug mails. jbailey: otavio (in Debian) is keen on helping us if we 03:47 Kamion actually start sending him our patches a little more reliably :-) 03:47 Kamion jbailey: (with grub) 03:47 iwj Scratch that about a toolchain expert, if infinity is right about the amd64 ff problem. iwj: have you talked with the sysadmins about a place to 03:47 mdz run the automated tests periodically? would be very cool to be able to see the output published somewhere 03:47 jbailey Kamion: Thanks for the heads up mdz: No, I haven't done any of that at all. I was going 03:48 iwj to publish the code first and then talk to the sysadmins about the right kind of glue they wanted. 03:48 iwj They probably need a new virtualisation server (or options) or something. 03:48 mdz iwj: I'd be interested in a typescript sort of demo of what you have, by email 03:48 mdz iwj: thanks 03:48 mdz doko: next 03:48 doko status: - toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch, all dependent packages 03:48 doko (gcc* and lib32*) updated, binutils synced, spec is nearing the "implemented" status. 03:48 doko - toolchain-dapper+1: blocked by preparation of wanna-build and buildd infrastructure (no change) 03:48 doko - openoffice-gnome: not started (no change) 03:48 doko - openoffice-help: implemented (no change) 03:48 iwj mdz: Sure. I'll put a transcript in my announcement when I make it. 03:49 doko - openoffice-spellchecking: not started (no change) 03:49 doko - native-java-gcj: infrastructure is ready, packaging of -gcj binary packages not started (no change) - java-roadmap: mostly done, pending are eclipse updates 03:49 doko (blocked by firefox-dev/mozilla-dev) and the native-java-gcj support, delaying that in favour of an openoffice.org-gcj package 03:49 doko - python-roadmap: proposal implemented, testing outside the archive now. 03:49 doko this week: - openoffice.org: fix installability issue, ongoing 03:49 doko merging with Debian unstable, setup baz archive for the debian/ parts 03:49 doko - python-roadmap: python-central update, uploaded to people.ubuntu.com 03:49 doko - toolchain-roadmap: biarch updates, binutils update - other: syncs/merges, updates to new upstream versions, 03:49 doko amd64 server upgrade/then new install (badly needed) including bug submissions 03:49 doko next week: 03:49 doko - finish openoffice.org sync, together with spellchecking 03:49 doko - drop python2.3 (either with or without python-central support) 03:49 doko - update the estimates for the specs (they are not current) 03:49 jbailey doko: Does the openoffice.org sync include 2.0.1 to breezy-updates? 03:49 mdz doko: how disruptive will python-central be? mdz: not disruptive at all, it's just dropping of 03:51 doko packages, not introduceing new one (python-central only (or python-support, whatever will survive) 03:51 mdz ok 03:51 mdz thanks 03:51 mdz dholbach: next this week (done): GNOME 2.13.5, alongside with merges of 03:51 dholbach every package, started apt-get.org building (status: good: 352, fail: 639, Current repo: 177/326) 03:51 dholbach this week (todo): bug triage, some more merges, start apt-get.org reviews. 03:51 dholbach next week: bug triage, apt-get.org reviews 03:52 mdz dholbach: test-plans? 03:52 doko jbailey: yeeess, it breaks some things (-base), but maybe let's talk about it later. 03:52 JaneW Still can't find mjg59 - so I mailed him for an update. 03:52 mdz JaneW: thanks 03:52 jbailey doko: Cool, thanks. mdz: They are good to go. I added the gstreamer test case 03:52 dholbach URL to the wiki, the media team is going to pick some reference files. 03:52 mdz dholbach: implemented? 03:52 dholbach mdz: oh yes, I'll change that. 03:52 mdz or waiting for content? 03:53 dholbach no, we're not blocked on content 03:53 mdz ok 03:53 mdz cool, thanks 03:53 dholbach de rien 03:53 mdz daniels: here? x-roadmap: xorg source package uploaded with cleaner config, lots of cruft kicked out. x{,org,server}-common all collapsed into x11-common, transition should just be 03:53 daniels finished as we speak. fixed an entertaining bug with some radeon laptops where the panel wouldn't display anything even vaguely useful. marked as implemented in lp. 03:54 mdz daniels: no further breakage on the roadmap then? 03:54 daniels certainly none planned from me ... 03:54 mdz ok, thakns 03:54 daniels it should be safe to slip into maintenance mode now. 03:54 infinity After today, it should be smooth sailing. 03:54 mdz BenC: next 03:55 doko daniels: 1920x1200 resolution on amd64 doesn't work preventing-hardware-support-regressions: Builds for i386 and amd64 are being done and published to 03:55 BenC http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels-daily/. PowerPC will start today aswell. Total space per day is going to be around 260Megs, so I'm worried about space on rookery. Will keep an eye on it. community-server-hardware-testing: (No work from me, 03:55 BenC but...) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTesting is in place. I reviewed it, and am in the process of adding additional info and criteria. Kernel status: Kernel seems stable on all platforms. No 03:55 BenC critical outstanding issues, but some important bugs are lingering. Concentrating on fixing these next week. the only thing I can think of is that I ripped out the 03:55 daniels language -> keymap 'smarts' assuming that lcxkb goes ahead. you'll need to revert that one if it doesn't. 03:55 daniels doko: bug please 03:56 mdz BenC: please ask sysadmin if they would prefer to move the builds elsewhere; how many are you planning to keep? 03:56 JaneW ** 5 minute call 03:56 BenC I already asked elmo, he was good with it 03:56 mdz BenC: is ServerTesting ready to announce to the community for testing? 03:56 BenC there's 21Gigs on rookery, so I'm thinking two weeks worth 03:57 BenC mdz: hopefully, but I need to finish my review of it 03:57 mdz BenC: is sabdfl's X40 fix in the archive now? 03:57 BenC uploading today 03:57 BenC it's not an X40 issue 03:57 BenC it's a wireless bug 03:57 mdz oh, he thought it was 03:57 mdz ok, one request before we adjourn 03:58 mdz please email me your top three issues with Malone, assuming you have that many 03:58 pitti lol 03:58 ogra heh === BenC has more :) 03:58 Nafallo hah 03:58 pitti that would mean serious picking :) 03:58 mdz I'll collate them for the LP folks 03:58 pitti mdz: thank you 03:58 BenC thanks 03:58 Kamion soyuz rollout next week, is it? 03:59 mdz yes, soyuz rollout next week 03:59 iwj mdz: Um. OK :-). 03:59 iwj Joy. 03:59 Nafallo yay! 03:59 Nafallo finally soyuz :-) 03:59 mdz look out for an announcement of what the visible changes will be 03:59 iwj If I put `the web UI is awful' at the top of my list, what will happen ? :-/ 03:59 \sh christmas so early this year? 03:59 mdz iwj: nothing, because that's too vague to be useful 03:59 mdz iwj: instead, point to specific UI issues 04:00 pitti iwj: kiko and sabdfl will just beat you up, I guess :) 04:00 daniels https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4537 04:00 daniels https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4537 04:00 daniels https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4537 04:00 daniels https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4537 04:00 pitti four times? 04:00 daniels christ! sorry. 04:00 iwj 1. `Navigation structure must be totally reorganised' and 2. `Page layout must be completely reorganised' ? 04:00 daniels this mouse is pathological. 04:00 mdz iwj: this isn't a joke 04:00 iwj You'll have seen my more detailed messages. 04:00 iwj I'm not joking. 04:00 iwj There's no point tinkering at the edges. === ajmitch_ [i=ajmitch@port163-8.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:01 mdz iwj: there are things we can do, and things that we can't, especially in the near term 04:01 mdz and we're out of time here 04:01 iwj I'm happy to write up a more messages with serious descriptions of what I think is wrong. 04:01 seb128 "out should not have to open 4 pages to update a bug" 04:01 iwj time> true. 04:01 mdz thanks, everyone 04:01 seb128 s/out/you 04:01 iwj near term> go back to bugzilla ? 04:01 JaneW thanks all 04:01 seb128 thank you mdz iwj: I think you shuold rather point out how it should be 04:01 pitti changed (and, FWIW, I agree that navigation is pretty hard ATM) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] 04:01 JaneW next week 20:00 UTC 04:01 dholbach thank you mdz 04:01 pitti thanks everyone
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