DapperDev_2006-03-23
09:05 Kamion We should start anyway
09:05 Kamion BenC: you're up
09:05 BenC Dapper Kernel Status:
09:05 BenC - Bugs are continuing to be the major workload. Think I'm finally in a workflow to where I can
keep up with them.
- This week IBM initiated our server kernels into the ABAT (Automated Build And Test) system.
09:05 BenC They will be doing regular build, boot, stress, LTP runs of our -server, -server-bigiron,
-amd64-server and -powerpc64-smp (pseries) kernels.
09:05 BenC - Major updates to the kernel include: ipw2200 1.1.1 + patches, should make a lot of people
happy. ipw3945 will be included in the next upload.
09:05 ogra Kamion, i think i saw him, saying good morning in his TZ ...
09:06 Kamion BenC: LTP?
09:06 BenC Linux Test Project
09:06 BenC it's just a bonus, not something we really need
09:06 Kamion what sort of feedback do we expect to get from IBM?
09:06 fabbione mdz is at the dentist iirc
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09:06 Kamion daily web report of results, something like that?
09:06 BenC they are sending us the entire log of the build, boot and run
09:07 JaneW dholbach: yes :P
09:07 BenC right
09:07 sorush21 Seveas: how about adding Palestine too?
09:07 sivang BenC: will they test it on p5 eServer machines?
09:07 Seveas sorush21, there's a meeting - please don't interfere
09:07 BenC sivang: yeah, which is another good thing, since we don't have any tests of pSeries ppc64
09:07 Kamion ok, thanks Ben
09:07 Kamion dholbach:
09:07 dholbach icon-mission: basic workflow with art team implemented, needs announce, one feature in icon page
missing
09:07 dholbach this week (done): started catching up on bug triage (~2900 -> 1900 unread desktop bugs mails),
random fixes
09:07 dholbach this week (todo): more bug triage, bugsquad announce, bug day announce
09:07 dholbach next week: bug day, bug triage, bugsquad meeting (monday, 15 utc)
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09:08 sivang dholbach: it's all about bugs :)
=== Kamion hands dholbach the bug hat. Happy insect-squashing.
09:09 dholbach sivang: momentarily yes, new gnome in 3 weeks or something - i really hope the bug squad launch
will have success
09:09 dholbach there are a lot of community members working already
09:09 Kamion How's the bug day participation developing.
09:09 Kamion ?
09:09 dholbach but if we can lal make it more organized, that'd help
09:09 sivang dholbach: yes, it seems growing ever since it started.
09:09 dholbach more lists of stuff people can easily get working on
09:10 dholbach and maybe a workflow for NEW bugs against Ubuntu (unspecified)
09:10 seb128 Kamion: that would be nice if we could have some other people than dholbach or me participating
from the distro team
09:10 dholbach people usually ask "where do I start?", if we can make that easier and think of clever ways
together that'd be nice
09:10 infinity I've shown up on a couple of bug days, but there isn't much activity during my timezone (nor much
excitement without dholbach around hugging everyone)
09:10 dholbach i'll send the announce for the bug squad meeting tomorrow
09:11 Kamion seb128: I agree. mdz's promised dedicated time for some people to spend on bug-fixing during the
six-week dapper extension, so some of that should be spent in bug days
09:11 Kamion (I think)
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09:11 seb128 infinity: what I do is comment on some interesting bugs I triage on the chan, that gives some
"activity" to the chan
09:11 seb128 and motivate some people
09:11 Kamion good idea
09:11 seb128 Kamion: ok, nice
09:11 pitti apart from the db2 packaging, I'm solely on bug fixing anyway, so I might be able to help out a
bit, too
09:11 Kamion ok, let's keep moving
09:11 Kamion doko:
09:11 doko - toolchain-roadmap: java problems on hppa fixed, glibc could use a patch comparision (unstable
vs. dapper, hint, hint jbailey)
09:11 doko - toolchain-roadmap-ng: blocked
- openoffice.org: sprint notes at
09:11 doko https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-March/016568.html, packaging fixes, splitting
help pot files, new locale. outstanding: two crashes (atk is currently addressed upstream)
09:11 doko - other: working on bugs (OOo, assigned, java, started python), finally eclipse-pydev!, building
eclipse on sparc, tracking ttf-dejavu font changes, everything else I forgot
09:12 Kamion JaneW: can you make a note for doko and jbailey to have talked to each other about glibc patches
before next week?
09:12 fabbione doko: if it is something specific send it to me
09:12 JaneW Kamion: sure
09:12 fabbione it seems i am cool at signing glibc uploads :)
09:13 doko fabbione: no, but if you like to debug 45 ant build files ...
09:13 fabbione doko: kthxno
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09:13 Mithrandir ok, present
09:13 Kamion thanks Matthias
09:13 Kamion fabbione:
09:13 fabbione * server-candy: Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup" and kernel -server as
default from CD install. No other progresses.
* ubuntu-cluster: Waiting ocfs2-tools release for new userland to sync with the kernel that will
09:13 fabbione allow (finally) full desync later. Release is taking a bit longer. Today I received a SAN to use
for cluster testing. Somebody please send/donate a portable nuclear power plant and a set of ear
plugs.
* last week: Tons of X bug fixing/triage/headackes/larting/bashing/killing/... and a bit of sparc
09:13 fabbione bug fixing. Got around the first step of hw upgrade at the office. Added a SUN T2000 to the
machine collection.
09:13 fabbione * next week: complete hw upgrade at the office, bug fixing.
09:13 fabbione * NOTE: my LP Karma is over 43000!!!
09:13 pitti fabbione: 117000 here :)
09:13 dholbach fabbione: haha!
09:14 ogra lol
09:14 dholbach guys, ask seb128 how much he has!
09:14 pitti fabbione: *cockroach*!
09:14 fabbione pitti: ehhe
09:14 ogra fabbione, Karma: 82207
09:14 ogra ;P
09:14 fabbione next week i will take all you over :)
09:14 sorush21 bugs are boaring
09:14 Kamion fabbione: I should be able to get to -server kernel installation sometime pre-beta, but remind me
if it looks like I've forgotten
09:14 seb128 dholbach: young padawan :p
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09:14 fabbione Kamion: ok thanks, will do
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09:15 Kamion fabbione: do you think we'll be in shape on X bugs by beta, or do we need more effort there?
09:16 fabbione Kamion: i did pass over 12% of the bugs in the last 2 days...
09:16 fabbione Kamion: help in triaging them will be useful
09:16 fabbione at least today we got rid of at least 40 ATI bugs,
09:16 fabbione but thanks to LP i can't batch processing them
09:16 Kamion I noticed; I'll see if that fixes my issues
09:16 fabbione so i am in the process of writing a small script to do that while somebody fixes LP
09:16 Kamion fabbione: you may be able to use the e-mail interface for that, not that I can ever remember how
to close bugs by e-mail myself
09:16 Mithrandir seb and I are tag-teaming on the xkb stuff, that works quite well.
09:17 fabbione Kamion: it's not just closing..
09:17 fabbione Kamion: i need to add comments and ask feedback
09:17 fabbione Kamion: too many changes to be sure what is exactly fixed
09:17 fabbione Kamion: but we have full upstream support for that driver now.
09:17 Kamion echo comment | mail xxxxx@bugs.launchpad.net yyyyy@bugs.launchpad.net ... should work
09:18 infinity Yeah, comments are easy. Don't need to sign those.
09:18 infinity Actions are a pain.
09:18 fabbione Kamion: yes.. but there is no easy way to query LP to know what is xxxxx and yyyyy
09:18 Kamion true
09:18 Kamion ok, thanks Fabio
09:18 fabbione and as infinity said.. actions are a pain
09:18 Kamion infinity: your turn
09:18 fabbione but i am discussing with LP guys alerayd
09:18 infinity last week buildd: had some productive sessions with cprov, where nearly a dozen irritating bugs
were nailed in the buildd code, brought hppa completely up-to-date, chased more build failures.
09:18 infinity last week distro: uploaded a mess of packages to resolve FTBFS issues, did some new upstream
merges, started hammering away at the initramfs-tools bug list.
next week buildd: keep an eye on buildability and installability of main, tweak some more bugs in
09:19 infinity the buildd slave code that I can do without cprov's assistance, and start filing bugs on failures
in universe.
next week distro: more bug triaging and fixing in initramfs-tools, and (hopefully) a UVF
09:19 infinity exception and mass rebuild for a new MySQL that (sadly) broke ABI upstream, plus whatever else I
have time for.
GENERAL NOTE: You may all have noticed a flurry of uploads from me in the last week to deal with
09:19 infinity build failures. Some of you (hi mvo) may prefer if I push those fixes directly to you. If I
step on toes, please let me know.
09:19 pitti fabbione: I increasingly like +packagebugs, I find it pretty helpful for bug housekeeping
09:19 Kamion thanks for the hppa work; hppa is back in anastacia now, and apparently has caused no issues
thereby
09:19 infinity Kamion: Excellent.
09:19 fabbione pitti: -> #u-d
09:20 Kamion main is more installable than it's been at any point in the last couple of months
09:20 infinity Kamion: And less out of date too. Yay.
09:20 Kamion all of the issues in dapper_probs are either ASBA or NBS packages
09:20 Kamion (all-superseded-by-any, not-built-from-source)
09:20 infinity My goal is to keep it that way, since having it installable but half out of date isn't terribly
representative of what we want to ship.
09:20 doko mvo in vacation?
09:21 Kamion doko: scheduled hockey training
09:21 dholbach doko: <JaneW> so we are only missing mvo, who gave appologies as he has a scheduled team practise
at this time
09:21 Kamion iwj: your turn
09:21 iwj DefaultApplicationsFirefox: Reverted `you have chosen to open ...' before I went away. No
complaints from that. So I think we can call this goal complete.
Firefox maintenance: Thanks to mvo, seb128, doko, fabbione for stuff while I was away. I'll do
09:21 iwj an upload tonight (urgh, it's still building, again) or tomorrow which should fix a few things
I'm aware of, provide -dbg package, etc.
09:21 iwj AutomatedTesting: A few discussions with Xen people but otherwise no real progress so far this
week.
09:21 iwj DeveloperDocumentation: no progress to report.
09:21 iwj Bugfixing: managed to get around to gs-gpl ia64 init.ps problem; very mysterious but now gone it
seems. Will look at other gs bugs if I get a chance tomorrow.
09:21 dholbach Kamion: soccer :)
09:21 JaneW hi have mvo's report
Bugfixing: are we likely to get any movement on Malone ? Strange email command parsing, bizarre
09:21 iwj formatting of bug messages on Malone web UI, inadequate search options, email header mangling,
etc.
09:22 iwj Email/lists: caught up (it was that or do three weeks in one go later).
09:22 iwj Email: I'm getting _lots_ of spam via my Ubuntu addresses. Is Anything being Done ?
09:22 iwj Last week and next week: on holiday.
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09:22 doko iwj: but you're not having vacation tomorrow after the upload? ;-P
09:22 iwj I'm afraid I am. But my last upload just before vacation was OK :-).
09:22 Riddell ubuntu addresses are unfiltered I thought
09:22 fabbione iwj: all the malone issues have been raised again today by me
09:23 Kamion iwj: was your visit to the Launchpad team last week? if so, how did that go?
09:23 seb128 iwj: I didn't send a debdiff for my changes but they are documented to the changelog and
trivials, anyway let me now if you want the diff :)
09:23 iwj Kamion: No, that was going to be this week. But no-one sent me any opinions so I decided not to
bother.
09:23 Kamion I see, oh dear
09:24 iwj It didn't seem sensible for me to go to London just so I could rant at LP people about what I
personally wanted.
09:24 Kamion nostra culpa
09:24 iwj seb128: Thanks, NP. I have a daily snapshot of the archive so I can get debdiffs easily for the
past month ...
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09:25 seb128 iwj: k
09:25 JaneW next?
on spam, I doubt anyone in this meeting can answer; you will need to talk to the admin team, if
09:25 Kamion you haven't already. I believe some central spam filtering of some kind has been done for those
who read their mail by IMAP from the datacentre, but I'm not sure about that.
09:26 Kamion I'm next, one second
09:26 iwj I'd be quite happy to slurp by IMAP if that would help :-).
09:26 JaneW tick
09:26 JaneW tock
I'm finding (with Soyuz) that picking the issues with highest priority and escalating them in
09:26 Kamion small chunks with descriptions of why they're blocking work is helpful, but you have to be rather
careful with that approach as it becomes ineffective if overused :-)
09:27 Kamion I understand that mdz's offer to harass on issues affecting the distro team if notified of bug
numbers etc. stands
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09:27 Kamion anyhow, my turn
09:27 Kamion ue-gnome-ui: Daniel did the breadcrumbs rearrangement; yay.
09:27 Kamion ubuntu-express: We pretty much have internationalisation now, apart from a few glitchy strings.
The POT file is in Rosetta and is being translated.
09:27 Kamion ue-partitioning-tool: Various gparted bugs fixed, thanks to Daniel. Landed and integrated Fabio's
disk selector.
09:27 Kamion ubuntu-express-base-system: Keymap page done. Really just apt-setup to go here now.
misc: Looked into Intel Mac CD images and experimented a bit via mjg59; we think we need HFS+
support in mkisofs to get this working (it already has HFS support, so this should be a smallish
09:27 Kamion step). Worked with Carlos to get aggregated installer translations into Rosetta. Promoted most of
Xubuntu to main. Out of date on UVF exception requests; sorry, will try to catch up there. Almost
entirely up-to-date on other archi
09:27 Kamion next-week: Timezone->country->locale inferring. Finally sort out network configuration. Figure
out what's up with the bogus copying time.
09:28 Mithrandir Kamion: keymap's not really applied to the installed system, though.
09:28 Mithrandir it's just applied to the running system.
09:28 Kamion Mithrandir: true, I noticed that, but also looks trivial to do
09:28 Kamion doing it in the running system and having the UI was the hard bit
09:28 iwj Kamion: bugs> Right, thanks.
09:28 Mithrandir Kamion: sure, just wanting to note it. It's not hard.
09:28 Kamion thanks for that
09:28 pitti Kamion: what's the status of updated breezy CDs?
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pitti: no real progress on that yet except that I have all the patches ready; I'll put aside some
09:29 Kamion time over the next week to assemble an image with all of that together and do some testing before
uploading anything
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09:29 Kamion obviously I don't want to upload before being able to test the full assembly
09:30 Kamion so add that to my next-week, I guess
09:30 pitti ah, thanks
09:30 ogra oh, that means kubuntu and edubuntu as well i guess
09:30 Kamion ogra: I hadn't really thought about it, but I guess it does
09:30 ogra for edubuntu it makes most sense though ...
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09:31 Kamion I'll let you and Riddell know when we have something more concrete to look at. I don't expect
many (any) flavour-specific problems.
09:31 Kamion well, it's worth testing one of them to make sure preseeding still works
09:31 ogra i'd be happy if the ltsp fix from breezy-updates could go in
09:32 Kamion I've only been planning breezy + breezy-security; that is much safer
09:32 Kamion and more consistent with being in a USN
09:32 Kamion but I suppose we can audit the set of breezy-updates changes involved
09:32 ogra hmm, k ...
09:32 Kamion let's talk about that closer to the time
09:32 ogra yep
09:32 Kamion Keybuk:
udev - many changes to the way we do root filesystem mounting this week; the new stuff is rather
09:32 Keybuk more streamlined and means we can do mount-by-uuid (ProbeForRootFilesystem) on everything except
evms, LVM and md/RAID now.
network-manager - been going through NM 0.6 and it's new dependencies, using the community
09:32 Keybuk contributions where possible. both dependencies are in the archive now, and approved for main by
pitti (not going to seed them as n-m will drag them in automatically). should get n-m in before
I go away.
wpa_supplicant - have further changes I want to make to it, will involve syncing with Debian with
09:32 Keybuk a UVF exception. makse it integrate properly with ifupdown with a process-per-interface and
config from /e/n/i rather than running as a daemon all the time.
other: finished off multi-arch report (at least, no further comments from mdz on it). still not
09:32 Keybuk received reply to request to be added to ftp admin group. had not much time for installer UI
yet, sorry Kamion, nm taking a bit longer to work out amongst other interruptions.
09:33 Keybuk (uh, wpa is in pitti's queue)
09:33 Kamion Keybuk: we aren't actually changing to mount-by-uuid for the dapper installer though, right?
09:33 Kamion (as discussed before)
09:33 Keybuk well, I kinda think we should now
09:33 Keybuk given dapper+1 is likely to ship with no ide subsystem :)
09:33 Kamion argh
09:33 Keybuk it'd make the transition rather smoother
09:33 Keybuk I guess it makes no real difference, we still have to transition for everyone who installed
pre-uuid
09:34 Kamion as I said in #ubuntu-devel, I think the transition should be in our face, otherwise we'll forget
about the issues for breezy upgraders
09:34 Riddell Keybuk: when do you go away?
09:34 Mithrandir can we discuss that later? I suspect it'll take more time to discuss through than we have in
this meeting?
09:34 Kamion Mithrandir: yep
09:34 Mithrandir here, immediately after the meeting, if that's fine?
09:34 Keybuk Riddell: am away mon-weds next week
09:35 Kamion Keybuk: if you could mail me the RT number for the ftpadmin request, that would be good, I think
I only have a CC of the original mail
09:35 Keybuk Kamion: 4217
09:35 Kamion Mithrandir: if you don't mind doing it without me - otherwise tomorrow
09:35 Kamion Keybuk: thanks
09:35 Mithrandir Kamion: tomorrow then. I would at least like to have you in on it.
09:35 Kamion Kinnison:
gnome-power-manager (PowerManagementInterface): Been through ca. 100 bugmails learning the new
09:35 Kinnison state of the world post-lp-sprint. Begun the work to get 2.14.0 (plus some CVS patches) into the
archive.
09:36 Kinnison gparted: Worked through the installer-mode patch to ensure all dialogs are transient on the plug
if appropriate
metacity: Added a patch to enure transience on a non-toplevel works. This is a workaround in the
09:36 Kinnison sense that transience is meant to always be on a toplevel, but this is by far and away the
easiest place to add this code.
09:36 Kinnison vim: re-enabled the vim-ruby package as per bug 36050
09:36 Kinnison aspell-sl: Investigated report that the package is uninstallable. Could not reproduce, asked for
more info.
09:36 Kinnison launchpad: Fixed bug in binary upload acceptance, continued discussion with the sabdfl about
domination in personal package archives.
09:36 Kinnison espresso: replaced breadcrumbs with N-of-M in the GTK UI
09:36 Kinnison tomorrow: Assist in production rollout
otherwise: Continue to do gnome-power-manager work; we are now going to seriously diverge from
09:36 Kinnison upstream as upstream is on the road to 2.16. Continue to pick up espresso UI work for Colin.
Whatever else falls onto my plate
bugs: Currently I have around 50 bugs I am actively dealing with, most are g-p-m, some are acpid
09:36 Kinnison or acpi-support related. This is up on last time due to spending time on gparted and espresso for
colin and then having a week on the launchpad sprint. I currently have another 46 bug mails to
deal with in my LPBugs folder.
09:36 Kamion the gparted changes seem to be working well now, thanks, that was an awkward blocker
09:36 Kinnison [END]
09:36 Kinnison You're welcome
09:36 Kinnison (although if I ever see that codebase again, kittens will die)
09:36 Riddell Kinnison: N-of-M?
09:37 Mithrandir Riddell: step X of Y
09:37 Riddell right
09:37 Mithrandir changing the current breadcrumb path to just a "step X of Y"
09:37 Kamion Riddell: moving from the "Welcome > Language > Location > Keyboard > blah" across the top to a
better UI
09:37 dholbach Kinnison: the patch has to go upstream for dapper+1 :)
09:37 Kamion that doesn't look like you can click on it
09:37 Kinnison dholbach: merry christmas
09:38 Kamion Mithrandir:
misc: keyboard handling. Korean keyboards almost work out of the box now (I know what the fix
09:38 Mithrandir is), espresso keyboard handling mostly works (as in, works for me, and Colin fixed a few of my
bugs today). XKB is getting there, I'm working a bit with upstream on getting us as good support
for languages such as Kurdish. seb's also been excellent helping out here.
next week: I'm planning on releasing flight-5 on Wednesday, apart from that, espresso hacking, a
09:38 Mithrandir bit depending on what Colin has, hopefully get popcon running, move towards bug triage mode
rather than development mode.
09:38 Mithrandir blocked: no
09:38 infinity Mithrandir: Flight-6, I hope.
09:39 Mithrandir also, I don't know if it's a good thing when you're getting around to being comfortable hacking
xkeyboard-config or not.
09:39 Mithrandir uh, flight-6, obviously.
09:39 Mithrandir infinity: thanks
09:39 doko Mithrandir, Kamion: what about tracking CD sizes?
09:39 infinity (Would be easier to just release Flight-5 again..)
09:39 ogra would be hard to roll back the archive to flight 5 :)
09:39 Kamion doko: what about it?
09:39 Mithrandir doko: I follow it with a bit of attention, but not each day; why?
09:39 doko Kamion: how can I influence the size of daily builds?
09:40 ogra lool
09:40 fabbione doko: sending more |Viagra to little?
09:40 pitti replace ooo with ed? :-P
09:40 Kamion er - that's kind of a complicated question and I'm not sure where you're coming from, ->
#ubuntu-devel perhaps
09:40 ogra doko, thats what i'm asking myself every day after waking up
09:40 Mithrandir doko: strip down the size of OOo. :-)
09:40 doko Mithrandir: but it would be nice not to have *only* the flight CD's burnable
09:40 Mithrandir doko: today's cds for instance are just fine
09:41 doko ok, let's move that to -devel
09:41 JaneW ready for mvo's report?
09:41 Kamion doko: the CD sizes have been officially increased to 700MB
09:41 Mithrandir doko: so are yesterdays, the day before that and so on.
09:41 Kamion if you have media smaller than that, upgrade
09:41 Kamion this was an mdz/sabdfl? decision
09:41 Kamion JaneW: yes please
09:41 JaneW ogra: I hope that helps you (unless you work on that anyway...?)
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09:41 JaneW Did:
09:41 JaneW - Friday: last day of the l10n sprint (very successful sprint IMHO)
09:41 JaneW - language-selector:
09:41 JaneW * qt port, split package, added fontconfig-voodoo, added locale
09:41 JaneW specific bits for ja_JP, ko_KR, zh_{CN,TW,HK,SG}
09:41 JaneW - catchup from the sprint for gnome-app-install, synaptic, apt,
09:42 JaneW python-apt, update-manager, software-properties, dist-upgrader
09:42 JaneW - added ttf-sil-{charis, dolous} to universe
09:42 JaneW - evalued dist-upgrade tool feedback (thing look good so far, but
09:42 doko Kamion: sorry, MiB or MB?
09:42 Kamion JaneW: Edubuntu has always been 700MB, sorry, makes no difference there
09:42 JaneW still some missing bits like a bug with debconf/gnome and missing
09:42 JaneW recovery on dpkg failures)
09:42 JaneW - gnome-app-install: improved the menu-data extractor, added some more
09:42 ogra JaneW, we use 700 since breezy
09:42 JaneW pseudo dekstop files
09:42 JaneW - made hwdb translatable (including the xml in it)
09:42 Kamion doko: roughly MiB, but I abhor that term
09:42 JaneW - bugtriage, mail backlog
09:42 JaneW Will do:
09:42 JaneW - wait for the auto-dist-upgrade test chroot setup
09:42 JaneW - get the upgrade tool into the archive (finally!)
09:42 JaneW - add the missing bits to the dist-upgrade tool
09:42 JaneW - more bugtriage, catchup
09:42 JaneW Kamion: that's what I thought *dang*
09:43 Kamion dist-upgrade tool backportage to breezy is blocked on a soyuz bug (filed)
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09:43 Kamion JaneW: can you make a note for mvo to talk to me about the debconf/gnome thing, if I don't
already have mail about it?
09:44 ogra my turn ?
09:44 JaneW Kamion: will do
09:44 Kamion right, usual mvo week of going over almost our entire high-level package management system then
:)
09:44 Kamion ogra: go
* general: reworked the edubuntu-artwork package completely to not depend on ubuntu-artwork
anymore (gains ~5MB on the edubuntu CD), wrote a bunch of ltsp howtos for edubuntu-docs, general
09:44 ogra poking on screensaver bugs, trying to find out why it sometimes ignores user input, fiddling with
the default visual to catch the GL flickering. no work on ltsp-client-builder.udeb yet. some hwdb
stuff for mark. fiddled with reding from /dev/vcs3 for ltsp-client
09:44 ogra -builder.
09:44 ogra next-week: finishing minor stuff in edubuntu-artwork, continuing the screensaver odd-ysee,
ltsp-client-builder.udeb work, flight 6 preparation.
09:45 ogra seb128, can i get the gdm edubuntu-artwork dependency fix before flight 6 ? (i'm fine with doing
it myself if thats ok for you)
09:46 seb128 ogra: oh sure, will do tomorrow
09:46 ogra thanks :)
09:46 seb128 np
09:46 seb128 or after dinner
09:46 ogra thats fine as well ...
09:47 ogra just before flight 6 :)
09:47 Kamion thanks Oliver
09:47 Kamion pitti:
09:47 pitti reducing-duplication:
09:47 pitti * DONE: got rid of libgd, libmpeg3, gnutls11 (finally!!1!)
09:47 pitti * PLAN: discuss libsqlite0 demotion with infinity (php5-sqlite is the only package that needs to
be changed)
09:47 pitti * evaluated getting rid of gtk+1.2, but quite many packages still use it, so we have to live with
it, unless somebody spends a fair amount of time on that
09:47 pitti DB2 packaging:
09:47 pitti * DONE:
09:47 pitti - made myself familiar with the basic installation procedure
09:47 pitti - dissected the 370 MB tarball into logical chunks suitable for packages
09:47 pitti - built first round of debs out of it: installation works and produces an usable default
instance, so that you can immediately start working
09:47 pitti * TODO:
09:47 pitti - add proper package descriptions
09:47 pitti - maybe debconf'ify (for port configuration and whether to start DAS (administration server))
09:47 pitti - integrate DAS startup/shutdown
09:47 pitti - build a Java SDK deb from the bundled IBM JDK and integrate the GUI stuff to work OOTB
09:48 pitti - build l10n packages
09:48 pitti general stuff done this week: security updates, lots of bug triage and fixing, cleaned up
anastacia output, espresso testing
09:48 pitti plan for next week: bugs, bugs, bugs, and more DB2 packaging (depending on how much mdz wants me
to work on that)
09:48 Kamion pitti: where are the DB2 packages going to go?
09:48 pitti bug backlog: I slowly get it under control, but still a lot to catch up with
09:48 pitti Kamion: in our 'commercial' repo
09:48 Kamion thanks for the continued espresso testing BTW, it's been very valuable
09:48 seb128 pitti: curious, what still use gtk1.2 (you mean to main right?)?
09:48 pitti but I didn't make any deeper inquiries about that
09:48 sivang pitti: yey :)
09:48 pitti Kamion: I hope I don't annoy you too much with the bugs :) but I seem to be a good test case :)
09:48 Mithrandir seb128: xmms, evms
09:49 doko seb128: orbit1?
09:49 pitti also, smpeg
09:49 iwj `commercial' repo> ITYM `proprietary'. HTH.
09:49 Kamion seb128: gtkglarea gutenprint imlib libdv libiodbc2 smpeg xmms
09:49 Kamion (build-deps)
09:49 sivang pitti: let me know when you work about bullet 4 of the DB2 items, I'd be interested to continue
helping and providing inpuit :)
09:49 Kamion pitti: no no, don't stop, they're good
09:49 pitti sivang: thanks
=== Kamion nods at iwj ...
09:49 pitti Kamion: (just kidding)
09:49 Kamion pitti: (IOW, "hurt me harder")
09:49 seb128 Mithrandir: I thought Martin patched evms, and xmms ... just move it to universe
09:50 pitti seb128: also, gtkglarea, gutenprint, imlib, libdv, libiodbc2, smpeg
09:50 seb128 anyway, not a topic for now
09:50 Mithrandir seb128: indeed he did.
09:50 Mithrandir seb128: I didn't know if he actually applied the patch he was pointed to or not.
09:50 Kamion right, time marches on
09:50 Kamion Riddell:
09:50 pitti Mithrandir: yes, I did
09:50 Riddell this week:
09:50 Riddell KDE 3.5.2 packaging and testing
09:50 Riddell also: CD size checking, reviewing knetworkmanager, checking new guidance release
09:50 seb128 pitti: I had a look on gutenprint during distro sprint, seems to be a configure bog, there is
gtk1 and gtk2 code and it builds both or something like that
09:50 Riddell next week:
09:50 Riddell 3.5.2 upload if approved, lots of kubuntu espresso, flight 6
09:51 doko Riddell: is OOo still in Kubuntu?
09:51 infinity Riddell: A big sloppy kiss if you make kdenetwork build. Honest.
09:51 Riddell doko: yes
09:51 Kamion Riddell: glad to hear it on espresso, I'd really like to be getting merges more frequently than
once every three weeks; is there anyone else on the kubuntu team who might be able to help?
09:51 Kamion because keeping it working is slowing me down in places
09:51 doko Riddell: please could you help/have a look at the OOo/KDE specific bugs?
09:52 Riddell infinity: on my todo list for tonight or tomorrow morning
09:52 Riddell Kamion: I'm trying to presuade the spanish guys to not re-write it and help with the current
version
09:52 Riddell Kamion: and with 3.5.2 out of the way I expect merges to happen much more often
09:53 Kamion ok, thanks
09:53 Kamion if it helps, just tell the Spanish people that I won't merge a total rewrite
09:53 Riddell yep
09:53 Kamion seb128:
this week: bug day (some people active on IRC participated, which is nice but we lacked
09:53 seb128 participation of some distro team people though), some GNOMish updated, replied to comments and
triaged a pile of desktop bug, forwarded a bunch of them upstream, debugged some of them, patches
a bunch of packages (desktop issues fixing)
09:53 seb128 next week: bug triage, forwarding, squashing, patching
09:55 dholbach seb128 has Karma: 437709
09:55 dholbach just for the record :)
09:55 seb128 dholbach: launchpad is on crac if you want my opinion :p
09:55 Mithrandir seb is teh man.
09:55 dholbach seb128: man, you deserve it!
09:55 doko dholbach: come on, how much did you collect?
09:55 pitti 'An integer overflow was detected in the LP Karma module... seb128 coudl exploit it by...'
09:55 fabbione pitti: LOL
09:56 dholbach doko: 170403 not that much :)
09:56 pitti (I hope they are using 64 bit for seb)
09:56 doko we should measure MegaKarma
=== seb128 runs away from pitti
09:56 pitti seb128: no, no, let's pentest :)
09:56 Kinnison the karma events are being rebalanced, expect the numbers to shift dramatically over time until
we settle
09:56 Keybuk how come everyone has more karma than me? :'(
09:56 seb128 hann
09:57 infinity Keybuk: I probably have less, but that's only because I haven't committed my "buildd actions"
karma patches yet. ;)
09:57 ogra Keybuk, we know how to cheat LP, you dont :P
09:57 dholbach bah!
09:57 Kinnison Keybuk: s'cos you're "harmless"
09:57 Kamion sivang: anything you want to add?
09:57 sivang If I may add, HomeUserBackup is very close to finishing now (approx 2-3 days away if my gf let me
work during the weekend)
09:58 sivang this will include backing up to CD,
09:58 sivang CDs
09:58 sivang and restoring
09:58 Kamion sivang: upload early, upload often :-)
09:58 Kamion (to universe)
09:58 sivang Kamion: yes, I need someone responsive to review and sponser the upload :)
09:58 Kamion any volunteers?
09:58 sivang I'd like to to go under review of someone from distro team for that matter
09:58 sivang since it's going to be new software and etc
09:58 Kamion if anyone wants to volunteer for that, it would be useful; please talk to sivang, probably on
#ubuntu-devel
09:59 Kamion ok, any other business in the remaining minute or so?
09:59 infinity Kamion: Are you playing mdz right now?
09:59 sivang infinity: he sure is :)
09:59 Kamion infinity: for the duration of this meeting, I guess
09:59 Keybuk Kamion: could you quickly review my e-mail to you and give me a "no" or "maybe" ? :p
09:59 infinity Kamion: If so, feel the urge to tell me it's a-okay to crash for the next 8 hours, since I just
worked for the last 24? :)
09:59 Kamion Keybuk: sure, like I say I'm behind on UVF requests, will get to yours and fabbione's this
evening
09:59 Keybuk infinity: sleep when dead
10:00 Kamion infinity: I think you'd better :P
10:00 Keybuk Kamion: ah, I thought for some reason you were out this evening
10:00 fabbione Kamion: no hurry.. tomorrow is fine
10:00 Kinnison infinity: as an addendum to keybuk's comment, please don't die
10:00 Keybuk not until release, anyway
10:00 pitti Keybuk: after release is before the release :)
10:00 infinity How Zen...
10:01 sivang heh
10:01 Kamion yes, I assume everyone's seen the dapper delay announcement
10:01 ogra bah, pitti is on soccer already ...
=== ogra blames germany
10:01 Kamion if not, why are you not on ubuntu-announce? :-)
10:01 Keybuk Kamion: no? we're delaying dapper?
10:01 sivang ogra: LOL
10:01 pitti ogra: hm?
10:01 infinity Kamion: What's "dapper"?
10:01 ogra pitti, "nach dem spiel is vor dem spiel ?"
10:01 Kamion infinity: the thing you have our permission to die after
10:02 pitti ogra: I couldn't care less about football
10:02 dholbach ok guys, I need to run
10:02 Kamion ok, time's more than up
10:02 infinity Kamion: Check.
10:02 Kamion adjournedMeetingLogs/DapperDev_2006-03-23 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:16:54 by localhost)