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03:01   dholbach        welcome everybody for a desktop team meeting - who do we have here?
03:01   Hobbsee hiya
03:02   dholbach        https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting is our meeting agenda
03:02   dholbach        and it's very short today
03:03   dholbach        we want to figure out what's on our todo lists for the next two weeks
03:03   dholbach        there'll be 2.19.5 next week
03:03   seb128  indeed
03:03   coNP    hey everyone
03:03   dholbach        anything else on anybody's todo list which we should highlight?
03:04   dholbach        hey coNP
03:04   dholbach        welcome coNP everybody - Aron's been doing amazing work on the team in the last weeks
03:04   seb128  we can also discuss things we can change in the team organisation if you have some suggestions
03:04   dholbach        looks like he got the lion share of gnome 2.19.4 done :-)
03:04   seb128  coNP: good work!
03:05   coNP    thanks dholbach, seb128 :)
03:06   seb128  do we have anybody who would be interested to take special care of a package?
03:06   seb128  like being the "maintainer" or one member of a team of people looking after it?
03:06   Hobbsee i'm slightly worried about why you're discussing plans for edgy on that agenda...
03:06   dholbach        Hobbsee: 'Old Agendas'
03:07   dholbach        siti has been taking care of ekiga and friends in the last time, which has worked out really really well
03:07   Hobbsee oh, point
03:07   dholbach        siti: is there any new ekiga release planned anytime soon?
03:07   siti    I think 3.0 is meant to be released in time for the next gnome
03:07   seb128  nice
03:07   dholbach        woah - great
03:07   siti    it's UI is much better1
03:07   siti    !*
03:07   seb128  siti: is ekiga uptodate in gutsy at the moment ?
03:08   siti    it's the latest stable
03:08   dholbach        that'll give us some time to get it tested properly for gutsy release
03:08   seb128  good :)
03:08   seb128  siti: thanks for working on it!
03:09   Hobbsee seb128: if you're having maintainers on the gnome side, who is a volunteer, what does that mean about other people being able to upload to it, if the maintainer is inactive?
03:09   seb128  there is a bunch of untriaged bugs on launchpad for ekiga apparently
03:09   siti    yeah, most of the bugs are due to the old ekiga, so I've been lazy...
03:10   siti    almost everyone fixes there problems by updating to 2.0.9
03:10   seb128  Hobbsee: yeah, we don't have any lock, that's just it's easier to know that some people are looking after a package
03:10   dholbach        so setting to needsinfo and asking for confirmation with gutsy would help most of them?
03:10   siti    I think so
03:11   seb128  good
03:11   Hobbsee seb128: so you dotn have a policy for what happens if someone was doing the regular releases, and then drops off the face of the planet?
03:11   dholbach        ok, maybe we should add that as a 'todo task' to our page
03:11   seb128  should we clean this list on wednesday for the bug day?
03:11   seb128  that seems a reasonable goal
03:11   dholbach        yeah, it sounds like a very good idea
03:11   seb128  Hobbsee: no, we have a wiki page where we list work to be done and claim things we are working on
03:11   Hobbsee seb128: fair enough
03:12   seb128  we usually update if there is no reaction from the usual maintainer in the next days after a new version
=== Hobbsee nods
03:12   Hobbsee interesting, thanks for letting me butt in :)
03:12   seb128  np :)
03:13   seb128  siti: would you be interested to hand on #ubuntu-bugs on wednesday for the bug day and help cleaning the ekiga list?
03:14   siti    I don't know what I am doing on wednesday, but I can start going through the bugs soon
03:15   seb128  k, so let's note this list on the weekly TODO
03:15   dholbach        rock and roll
03:15   seb128  we will try to give an hand and get it cleaned ;)
03:15   dholbach        is the TODO page working OK for everybody?
03:15   siti    thanks
03:15   seb128  another small goal somebody would like to add?
03:16   seb128  so we have
03:16   seb128  - update GNOME to 2.19.5
03:16   seb128  - clean the ekiga list of bugs
03:16   dholbach        - update remaining tarballs
03:17   dholbach        should we add 'regular bug tasks' like "reviewing all bugs wit patches" or "cleaning old needsinfo bugs" or other bug lists on DesktopTeam/Bugs?
03:18   dholbach        of course add:
03:18   dholbach        - get exciting new stuff packaged
03:18   dholbach        ;-)
03:18   seb128  I think we should have a short list of goals for between now and the next meeting
03:18   seb128  and a regular TODO for tasks like cleaning needsinfo, etc
03:19   dholbach        ok, I'll add a "regular tasks" section to the page
03:19   dholbach        maybe we should do the "weekly goals" thing as a wiki include
03:19   dholbach        that way we could have it on the frontpage and on todo
03:19   dholbach        and in other places, where like to plug it
03:19   seb128  looks good
03:20   seb128  you are the wiki master, if you know how to do it ... :)
03:20   dholbach        alrighty, I'll do that
03:20   seb128  thanks
03:20   dholbach        cheers
03:20   seb128  anybody else with ideas for a better organisation, things you would like to work on, things you thing that should be done for gutsy?
03:20   dholbach        hiya fernando
03:20   seb128  hey fernando
03:21   fernando        hey dholbach
03:21   fernando        hey seb128
=== coNP does not know the exact schedule of the upstream Gnome release - packaging - sync - merge cycles: is it happening continously towards 2.20 / 7.10 or are there any changes in the meantime?
03:23   seb128  coNP: there is a new GNOME unstable every 2 weeks usually
03:23   seb128  we merge with Debian on start of the new cycle usually and then only when there is changes we want
03:24   seb128  right now we are mostly done with merges for gutsy
03:26   seb128  anything else?
03:26   seb128  anybody with some cools idea or things he wants to work on? ;)
03:27   Hobbsee seb128: replace gnome with kde!  :P
03:27   Hobbsee ahem.
03:27   seb128  Hobbsee: you are already working on that, aren't you? :p
03:27   Hobbsee seb128: erm...cant confirm or deny, on the basis that it may incriminate me.
03:27   seb128  doesn't seem to be working though ;)
03:27   Hobbsee seb128: you just wait for KDE 4....
03:27   seb128  you just wait for GNOME 3 :p
03:28   fernando        fight
03:28   Hobbsee now that has no ETA at all :P
03:28   seb128  ;)
=== Hobbsee gets out the lightning bolts... :P
03:28   seb128  k, look like not a lot of other things to add
03:28   seb128  dholbach: ?
03:28   seb128  the meeting was short but we didn't have one for some time
03:29   dholbach        no, not from me - I'd just like us to make an effort to get all the gnome-ish stuff reviewed
03:29   seb128  we have some goals for the coming weeks and we will try to have a better list for next one
03:29   dholbach        I know that REVU is not perfect, but it's what's used mostly these days
03:29   seb128  would be nice if people could add easy goals, or make list of bugs which can be tackled in a bug day like the ekiga one
03:29   seb128  so we can keep going with easy tasks weekly
03:30   seb128  and show that things are done
03:30   seb128  dholbach: right
03:30   dholbach        I can make a list of those and add it to the weekly todo, if you like
03:30   dholbach        link them from there
03:30   dholbach        also for this weeks goals, I'll add all the remaining tarballs, if you don't mind
03:31   seb128  dholbach: no problem
03:31   dholbach        ok super
03:31   coNP    and s/June/July/ :)
03:31   seb128  should we have a page where tasks for the week stay
03:31   dholbach        I'll let you know once it's done
03:31   seb128  and get a green line when they are done
03:31   dholbach        yes, I'll make that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/WeeklyTODO
03:31   dholbach        working on it now
03:32   seb128  cool
03:32   dholbach        should we try to agree on a time and date for next week?
03:32   dholbach        erm
03:32   dholbach        next meeting
03:33   dholbach        what about same time in two weeks?
03:33   dholbach        does that work well for everybody?
=== coNP goes on holiday then, but it is not a problem for me
=== coNP seems to have difficulties in dealing with multiple personalities :)
03:35   seb128  dholbach: not sure it's ideal, that's during GUADEC ;)
03:35   dholbach        hehe :)
03:35   dholbach        ah right
03:35   seb128  3 weeks?
03:35   dholbach        fine with me, although I'll probably be at ubuntulive
03:35   seb128  dholbach: will you be there in 2 weeks?
03:36   dholbach        no, the week after guadec
03:36   seb128  no, I mean available for a meeting
03:36   seb128  in which case let's do it in 2 weeks
03:36   seb128  you will be around since you don't go to GUADEC
03:36   dholbach        yes, that's fine with me
03:36   seb128  and I'll be around for the next one when you are on holidays
03:37   seb128  I mean be able to join from GUADEC also
03:37   seb128  I expect they will have wireless there ;)
03:38   dholbach        yeah, I should think so :)
03:38   dholbach        ok, let's go with 2 weeks from now, same time
03:39   dholbach        everybody ok with that?
03:41   seb128  yes
03:42   dholbach        super
03:42   dholbach        anything to add? any problems you see at the moment? anything we should make sure to get done soon? anything you'd like to let the team know?
03:45   dholbach        ok, probably not
03:45   dholbach        let's adjourn then
03:45   dholbach        thanks everybody for turning up
03:46   dholbach        let's bring up everything else on ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com then
03:46   dholbach        have a nice day