DocTeam_2005-11-18
02:53 jsgotangco mm let's wait a bit before we start
02:57 jsgotangco are we set?
02:57 jjesse i am :0
02:58 jsgotangco great let's aim for quality then
02:58 jsgotangco heh
02:58 kjcole Here physically and virtually, but on my schedule, not mentally. ;-)
02:58 jjesse is it too early to be here mentally kjcole
02:58 jjesse ?
02:58 jsgotangco kjcole: are you on campus?
02:58 kjcole Yep.
02:59 dholbach do you have the agenda somewhere?
02:59 jsgotangco ok
02:59 jsgotangco https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda
02:59 jsgotangco who's here?
02:59 jjesse me
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02:59 kjcole jsgotangco: Perhaps I should say I'm on MY campus: Gallaudet University...
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03:00 kjcole kjcole = Kevin Cole
03:00 Treenaks kjcole: -color please
=== bshumate is Brian Shumate
03:01 jsgotangco err anyone else?
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03:02 jsgotangco https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda is our agenda
03:02 dholbach mdke told me, that my attendance was required regarding the future packaging of the ubuntu docs?
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03:02 jsgotangco i believe so
03:02 jsgotangco hmm what's wrong with bhuvan
03:02 jsgotangco anyways
03:02 jsgotangco dholbach: are you in charge of the packaging now?
03:03 dholbach yes
03:03 jsgotangco or will you be mentoring someone?
03:03 jsgotangco awesome...
03:03 dholbach i had a brief look at the complete source of the svn, but was not able to figure it out yet
03:03 dholbach i will investigate a bit more at the weekend
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03:03 jsgotangco okay bhuvan seems to be having problems on connecting
=== Riddell is JonathanRiddell
03:03 dholbach regarding the one-source-package-story: i heard it somewhere and thought it was decided on already
03:04 jsgotangco bhuvan: you ok now?
03:04 bhuvan yeah
03:04 bhuvan yes
03:04 jsgotangco ok let's tackle 1 and 3 first since bhuvan will be leaving soon
03:04 bhuvan any feedbacks/suggestions about w.u.c/ServerGuide ?
03:04 jsgotangco bhuvan current wrote the spec for the server guide
03:04 jsgotangco its located at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide
03:04 jsgotangco i haven't read it yet but it looks pretty comprehensive based on the TOC
03:04 bhuvan today i wish to discuss about the topics, finalize couple of terminologies we may use in our serverguide
03:05 bhuvan ok
03:05 dholbach bhuvan: with whom do you work on this?
03:05 jsgotangco bhuvan: do you plan to diverge from MAIN repos?
03:05 jjesse bhuvan: just scanned it and it looks good
03:05 bhuvan jsgotango, no
03:05 jsgotangco ok so its all MAIN stuff then
03:05 bhuvan dholbach, it's based on rhel admin guide
03:05 bhuvan jsgotango, yes
03:06 bhuvan jjesse, ok
03:06 jsgotangco bhuvan: who are you working with at the moment, do you have a draft already?
=== jsgotangco just svn up
03:06 bhuvan jsgotangco, no
03:06 jsgotangco bhuvan: can we know your whole name if you don't mind?
03:06 bhuvan i do've a template at http://puggy.symonds.net/~bhuvan/ubuntu-doc/build/generic/serverguide/C/
03:07 dholbach bhuvan: you might want to talk to fabbione, because he works on the server edition on the distro side
03:07 bhuvan Bhuvaneswaran Arumugam
03:07 bhuvan dholbach, sure
03:07 jsgotangco shit my seat just fell
03:07 dholbach bhuvan: and infinity, but i'm not quite sure
03:07 bhuvan dholbach, ok
03:08 jsgotangco yes
03:08 jsgotangco anyways
03:08 jsgotangco bhuvan has been contributing a lot with patches and stuff
03:08 bhuvan and one page template at, http://puggy.symonds.net/~bhuvan/ubuntu-doc/build/generic/serverguide/C/serverguide-all.html
03:08 jsgotangco i'd like to request svn access for him...
03:09 jsgotangco bhuvan: what else do you need to help you on the project?
03:09 jsgotangco resources, etc.?
03:09 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok .. but, before that let me discuss about the terminologies we may use in our server guide
03:10 jsgotangco okay
03:10 jsgotangco shoot
03:10 kjcole A question from someone new to the whole process: I keep seeing svn. bzr/launchpad not ready enough for prime time? (Or am I so new to this that the question doesn't make sense?)
03:10 bhuvan first, the editor. the choices are vi/vim/emacs. i prefer vim
03:11 ogra i dont think we ship a plain vi
03:11 jsgotangco kjcole: we've been using svn from the very start, a bzr transition will take time and planning and we'll need the lp team's help
03:11 Riddell kjcole: at the time svn was set up baz had a steep learning curve. bzr should be really good now but I think this cycle will stick with svn
03:11 dholbach bhuvan: what do you mean? like rteferring to an editor in examples and such?
03:11 jsgotangco kjcole: but we're going there
03:11 jsgotangco how about nano?
03:11 jsgotangco its pretty easy enough even for newbies imo
03:11 ogra at least that the default
03:11 kjcole I was going to mention nano...
03:12 Riddell bhuvan: quanta, kate and presumably gedit are also choices
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03:12 jsgotangco Riddell: for servers? heh
03:12 ogra Riddell, depends if you want to write the guide for servers with GUI
03:12 bhuvan dholbach, i meant the editor we use to configure
03:12 bhuvan dholbach, ie.. to edit conf files
03:12 bhuvan Riddel, server wont have X. so we cant rely on gedit
03:12 jsgotangco bhuvan: i'd go for nano, its pretty easy for beginners
03:12 ogra jsgotangco, for edubuntu (a server distro) it would be appropriate
03:13 dholbach i would say "edit bla file" and maybe in the first paragraph mention howtos for the editors *shrug*
03:13 kjcole (If nano's in the mix a "-bkw" would be a useful default/alias somewhere.)
03:13 jsgotangco vi/vim is like a chapter on linux in a nutshell :)
03:13 jsgotangco and probably make a back up of the default conf files first before editing..
03:14 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok
03:14 Riddell bhuvan: I would assume nano then but have small chapters for vim and emacs as well
03:14 bhuvan dholbach, i prefer to be specific with the editor to use
03:14 dholbach yeah, that was merely my own opinion ;)
03:14 bhuvan dholbach, ok
03:14 jsgotangco bhuvan: maybe mention that in the beginning that you're going to use nano but you're free to use any editor...
03:14 jsgotangco at least you'll have a scope/limitation on the editor part
03:14 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok
03:15 bhuvan ok
03:15 jsgotangco k anything else bhuvan?
03:15 bhuvan next, package manager
03:15 bhuvan choices are apt-get/aptitude. i prefer apt-get
03:16 jjesse it would make sense on the server to use apt-get, no gui is instaleld by default
03:16 ogra me too, but aptitude is far more beginner friendly
03:16 kjcole (Sorry: -Bkw (-B=backup, -k=kill from cursor to line end instead of entire line, and -w=no unsolicited wordwrapping.)
03:16 bhuvan jjesse, i agree
03:16 jsgotangco aptitude at least has a gui of sorts
03:17 jjesse why is aptitude considered more newbie friendly? when i started using linux it was debian and i learned apt-get
03:17 bhuvan jjesse, me too..
03:17 Riddell I could never get the hang of aptitude
03:17 jjesse me either
03:17 ogra jjesse, imagine a win 2000 adim in such a environment
03:17 ogra *admin
03:17 Riddell bhuvan: will there be a general introduction to the command line chapter?
03:17 bhuvan imo, if he is used to command line, then apt-get would be a cake-walk
03:17 jjesse ogra i am a windows admin
03:17 ogra he'd kiss your feet for at least some gui love
03:17 jjesse that's what i do for a living
03:17 Riddell ogra: he's want to use adept/synaptic then
03:17 bhuvan Riddel: general introduction ?
03:18 Riddell jjesse's dirty secret :)
03:18 ogra jjesse, but *you* know debian based systems ...
03:18 jsgotangco your toc contains aptitude or maybe its still wip?
03:18 jjesse but i started using linux after i was a windows admin
03:18 Riddell bhuvan: yeah, introducing GUI users to the command line
03:19 bhuvan in any case, we may give an introduction about all possible package manager
03:19 ogra jjesse, sure, i mean the guy who heard about linux and wants to try out the one a friend recommended it to him... to probably adopt it for his setup
03:19 bhuvan Riddell, ok
03:19 jsgotangco well apt is definitely more popular than aptitude...
03:19 ogra sure
03:19 kjcole Will the average admin use much more than update, upgrade, dist-upgrade and install? (Once in a while remove or clean.) Doesn't seem too complex...
03:19 bhuvan so, shall we decide on apt-get ?
03:20 jjesse +1 from me
03:20 jsgotangco i'd go for apt
03:20 ogra as i said intially, i prefer it personally... but for newcomers i'd suggest aptitude ..
03:20 bhuvan cool
03:21 jsgotangco ok so we're cool on apt?
03:21 Riddell + 1 for apt, -1 for aptitude including for beginners
03:21 jjesse heck if its in the guide then the "newbies" will learn apt :)
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03:21 bhuvan ok
03:21 jsgotangco nice
03:21 bhuvan next regarding contribution ?
03:21 jsgotangco sure
03:21 jsgotangco contribution on what?
03:21 bhuvan i may cover most part of sys conf/network related applications
03:21 bhuvan any takes for windows networking/misc stuffs ?
03:22 bhuvan s/takes/($1)ers
03:22 jsgotangco samba for example?
03:22 bhuvan jsgotangco, exactly
03:22 jsgotangco hmmm if you can finalize your TOC i can make a draft of samba stuff...
03:23 jjesse as a windows admin i can look into it
03:23 bhuvan cool
03:23 jsgotangco and probably some on bind and dncp
03:23 bhuvan ok
03:23 bhuvan hope you meant dhcp ?
03:23 jsgotangco yes
03:23 Riddell bhuvan: the synaptic chapter should really be an adept chapter when included in kubuntu, I wonder if it's possible to use profiles for that
03:24 bhuvan Riddell: i guess, we're going to have one generic server guide
03:24 jjesse Riddell: if i recall we tried to use profiles at one time and it messed things up?
03:24 jsgotangco bhuvan: are you planning to add gui stuff? i assume this is all cli
03:24 jjesse bhuvan: the doc would be included on the kubuntu install if the person typed server at the install
03:24 ogra Riddell, you'll stay with adept ?
03:25 Kamion apt-get/aptitude> note that aptitude provides a perfectly good command-line replacement for apt-get; consider that as well as its UI
03:25 Riddell bhuvan: yes, kubuntu docs should include the server guide, synaptic is the only chapter I can see that ought to be changed somehow, not a huge issue though
03:25 jjesse for kubntu yeah we will
03:25 Riddell ogra: of course, why not?
03:25 jsgotangco ogra: will the default edubuntu install still have gnome running on the server?
03:25 bhuvan Riddell, good point. we can include it
03:25 ogra jsgotangco, yes
03:25 bhuvan any target date to freeze the toc ?
03:26 ogra jsgotangco, it needs a installed desktop... (no need for a running one though... but gdm doesnt cost much)
03:26 jsgotangco bhuvan: there's no LTSP on the TOC
03:26 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok
03:26 ogra Riddell, its UI reminds on bugzilla :)
03:27 jsgotangco lol
03:27 bhuvan jsgotangco, i'll add
03:27 jsgotangco bhuvan: great
03:27 jsgotangco what else
03:27 bhuvan i repeat, any target date to freeze the toc ?
03:27 jsgotangco mgalvin: anything to say on the server doc?
03:27 jsgotangco bhuvan: its your call
03:27 kjcole This is where I should probably dig myself a bigger hole: Jeff Elkner and I are theoretically working on an Edubuntu Cookbook based on the tuxLab Howto... The LTSP stuff will be in there, no doubt.
03:28 jsgotangco https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide looks good at the moment
03:28 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok
03:28 ogra kjcole, thats fine ...
03:28 bhuvan fine
03:28 jsgotangco kjcole: sure
03:28 jbailey kjcole: Cookbook? "How to fry your thin client: Just add water"
03:28 bhuvan guess, we can move on to (3)
03:28 dholbach haha :)
03:28 jjesse 1
03:28 ogra kjcole, the server guide they are talking about is rather "how do i install all ltsp stuff manually on a non-edubuntu"
03:28 jsgotangco ok since bhuvan will be leaving let's jump to 3
03:28 jjesse doh wrong window
03:29 ogra kjcole, while edubuntu comes preconfigured ;)
03:29 jsgotangco Quicktour - XML or HTML
03:29 jsgotangco ?
03:29 bhuvan yeah, we're maintaining the html version in our svn
03:29 mgalvin jsgotangco: I have only been partly following the meeting, is the server guide going to be about ubuntu-server or ubuntu as a server
03:29 bhuvan imo, it's odd. let's convert it into xml ?
03:30 jsgotangco mgalvin: ubuntu-server
03:30 jjesse i thought it was about ubuntu-server
03:30 bhuvan + howto use ubuntu as a complete server
03:30 mgalvin ok, just clarifying for myself, thnx
03:30 jsgotangco bhuvan: mgalvin has been working on "instant server" along with fabbione and others you might want to talk with them too
03:30 Riddell ubuntu-server doesn't have synaptic then
03:31 bhuvan jsgotangco, yeah, i'm aware of it
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03:31 bhuvan jsgotangco, sure i'll
03:31 jsgotangco ok can we jump on 3 then?
03:31 bhuvan i already had :)
03:31 jsgotangco ok
03:31 jsgotangco what's wrong with the html
03:31 jsgotangco :)
03:31 Riddell what's the issues for XML or docbook? HTML can't be translated easily presumably but docbook needs clever stylesheets and might restrict layout?
03:32 bhuvan it looks odd, let's convert it into xml and maintain the uniformity accross the repo
03:32 jsgotangco i believe its in xhtml so its can be translated
03:32 mgalvin i don't have any suggestions atm, i will read the meeting log when i have time and post any comments to the list (i am busy back and forth a bit atm)
03:32 bhuvan xml gives flexibility to convert between html/pdf ..
03:32 bhuvan if need be..
03:32 jsgotangco but if its going to be converted to xml, it can be flexible
03:33 bhuvan mgalvin, thankx
03:33 bhuvan jsgotangco, yes
03:33 jsgotangco it was converted before, but its a very simple document really
03:33 jsgotangco but anyways,
03:33 jbailey The html issue is that there's no trivial way to associate other languages with it. In docbook, you can have multiple omf files that give links to the right languages.
03:33 jsgotangco jbailey: right...
03:33 jbailey So it's not the document itself so much as the things *using* the documents.
03:33 jsgotangco scrollkeeper lovely :)
03:33 jbailey Right.
03:34 jsgotangco anyayws, docbook always was the choice we're smart enough to transform any xml document :)
03:34 bhuvan so, we can maintain xml ?
03:34 jbailey That said, if what you're producing is documentation, there shouldn't be so much need for crazy styling - docbook is good enouhg to produce books. =)
03:34 jsgotangco yes
03:34 jbailey It's mostly when you're doing things like the firefox about page that converting from docbook will always suck.
03:34 bhuvan cool
03:34 jjesse i think the only question is how the quicktour will look then right?
03:35 jsgotangco jjesse: sure but that would be voodoo css then heh
03:35 jsgotangco we have 5 more months
03:35 jsgotangco ok so we settled on xml then
03:35 jsgotangco its only 1 document
03:35 jsgotangco :)
03:35 bhuvan jsgotangco, thankx
03:36 bhuvan * time to start to "HARRY POTTER and the gobert of fire"
03:36 jsgotangco bhuvan: can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects to reflect your changes
03:36 jsgotangco lol
03:36 jsgotangco thanks bhuvan
03:36 jsgotangco we'll request svn access for you
03:36 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok
03:36 bhuvan jsgotangco, ok
03:36 jsgotangco bhuvan: have your gpg key ready
03:36 bhuvan jsgotangco, yes
03:36 bhuvan in lp
03:36 jsgotangco yes
03:36 jsgotangco ok we go back to 2
03:37 jsgotangco Packaging - single source package to be used for {edu}{k}ubuntu? (mdke and dholbach)
03:37 bhuvan bye bye
03:37 jsgotangco dholbach?
03:37 dholbach yeah... it was my misunderstanding... i thought that "one source package for all the docs" was decided on already
03:37 jsgotangco does this mean all docs will be in one package?
03:37 dholbach if there are no shared chapters between docs, it might make sense to have them separately
03:38 ogra edubuntu will have pretty specific docs
03:38 jsgotangco yeah
03:38 jjesse as will kubuntu
03:38 dholbach no... one source package can build a huge lot of binary packages
03:38 jsgotangco this doesn't make sense to me really
03:38 jjesse we aren't profilling
03:38 ogra so a additional edubuntu-docs package should be fine
03:38 jsgotangco they only have shared libs on svn
03:38 jsgotangco but not on the doc itself
03:38 dholbach i'm talking about a SOURCE package :)
03:38 Riddell there are shared docs too, like server guide
03:38 jbailey You can also make an ubuntu-docs-common
03:38 jbailey For shared bits
03:38 dholbach yeah
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03:39 jbailey Just make sure you update the DapperStandardsBase bits if you do that, please.
03:39 Riddell although, kubuntu might want different stylesheets and output compated to ubuntu
03:39 jbailey For branding, we specifically said that ubuntu-docs could be overridden.
03:39 jsgotangco very different stylesheets
03:39 dholbach yeah... let's just drop the idea
03:39 jsgotangco jbailey: because its possible that oems would want to do their own docs right?
03:39 dholbach it was my misunderstanding, sorry
03:39 jbailey jsgotangco: Right.
03:39 ogra the -coomon package idea sounds very cool
03:40 ogra *-common
03:40 jsgotangco yes
03:40 dholbach ogra, Riddell: so the three of us will take care of the packages?
03:40 jsgotangco we can dump all the libs and license stuff on -common i guess
03:40 ogra dholbach, i'll care for edubuntu-docs
03:40 dholbach cool
03:40 Riddell dholbach: ok, but if you set up e.g. scripts to do weekly uploads then mind and include us
03:40 jbailey How I would do it, I think, for a -common would be to have that in a separate repo, decide on those styles and lock 'em down early if you can. Any change to those will start to affect a lot of packages.
03:41 dholbach Riddell: same goes for you :)
03:41 jsgotangco jbailey: the -common would probably start on the svn itself...
03:41 jjesse i would be fore setting up styles and everything, that way i wouldn't have to always bug riddell over and over again :)
03:42 jsgotangco is *-common good for us?
03:42 jsgotangco or needs further discussion
03:43 jbailey I think further.
03:43 jjesse well are we going to have diff
03:43 jjesse sorry
03:43 jjesse wrong window
03:43 jbailey I've seen people say 'yay' and people say 'kubuntu and ubuntu might want different styles'
03:44 ogra edubuntu as well :)
03:44 jsgotangco ok
03:44 Riddell I don't think -common would work with different styles
03:44 jsgotangco its a good base of discussion though
03:45 jsgotangco ok so we'll move this on the list then
03:45 ogra Riddell, do you use lsb-release ?
03:45 jsgotangco Removal of "K" from the front of Kubuntu documents
03:45 jsgotangco ?
03:46 Riddell ogra: for what?
03:46 jsgotangco like my original kquickguide.xml?
03:46 ogra Riddell, to set it to Kubuntu insterad of Ubuntu
03:46 kjcole Well, the wiki allows me to change styles, and lots of HTML comes with alternate styles... Is it a silly idea to have multiple styles and some scripts for each variant (k-, edu-) set a default style while offering up the alternatives?
03:46 ogra Riddell, see lsb_release -a
03:47 jsgotangco jjesse: ?
03:47 Riddell ogra: no, the kubuntu /etc/lsb-release file is the same as for ubuntu
03:47 ogra Riddell, we could add a debconf setting to select the right style based on lsb-release, if we both would start setting the right value there
03:47 jjesse sorry work called missed
03:47 jsgotangco jjesse: removal of K?
03:47 Riddell yes please :)
03:48 jsgotangco does it bork the doc?
03:48 Riddell the documents are already in the kubuntu directory as a namespace
03:49 Riddell also the Makefile targets are hard to understand acronyms like kak, which should be changed to e.g. make about-kubuntu
03:49 Riddell I think that affects the ubuntu docs too, it's just a wee thing to make it less user friendly
03:50 jsgotangco well that's true and kak sounds like turd
03:50 Riddell yep :)
03:51 Riddell so that's agreed, just a question of if me or jjesse does it and does the ubuntu Makefile follow
03:51 jsgotangco anyways, i was just having fun back then when i did the kname on the doc
03:51 Riddell ah hah, it's all jsgotangco's fault :)
03:51 jsgotangco heh
03:51 jjesse sorry back from work
03:52 jsgotangco the kname doesn't really affect much of the doc itself unless there were some magic involved that i didn't see at all :)
03:52 jjesse like i said over email only thing to do would be to change the make file and rename the docs on svn right?
03:52 jsgotangco yes basically
03:52 Riddell jjesse: yes. so me or you to do it?
03:52 jsgotangco they don't link back to the other docs
03:53 jjesse i can do it today
03:53 Riddell groovy
03:53 Kamion ogra: NOOOOO
03:53 jjesse it looks like a slow day at work :)
03:53 Kamion ogra: lsb-release is not going to be polluted by debconf madness
03:53 jsgotangco ok that's settled then
03:53 jsgotangco Moving locale C --> en?
03:53 jsgotangco hmmm
03:53 jsgotangco this is a gnome thing
03:53 jsgotangco dholbach: ping?
03:54 dholbach pong
03:54 jsgotangco is locale C really required instead of en?
03:54 Kamion ogra: nor can it possibly return different values for Ubuntu and Kubuntu, since both are built out of the same archive
03:54 dholbach jsgotangco: what do you want to change?
03:54 ogra Kamion, i dont want to pollute it, i wanted to read from it
03:54 jbailey The C locale is the fall back one.
03:54 jbailey en isn't usually the fallback.
03:54 Riddell Kamion: and presumably same for edubuntu
03:55 jsgotangco jbailey: this messes up other installs say FR?
03:55 jsgotangco if the fallback isn't C?
03:55 jbailey Well, you'd have to teach scrollkeeper that the fallback was en instead.
03:55 Kamion Riddell: yes, hence ogra should know this
03:55 jsgotangco jbailey: nice
03:56 jsgotangco that'll probably bork the other upstream stuff then
03:56 dholbach why would you want to change it in the first place?
03:57 jsgotangco well one member raised it before
03:57 dholbach mh
03:57 jsgotangco i think it messes up transformation of sorts
03:57 jsgotangco don't really remember the technical details
03:57 jsgotangco we can move this to list
03:57 dholbach i see
03:57 jbailey I'd be inclined to put it with a "provide technical reasons, come again soon"
03:58 jsgotangco jeff schering isn't here...
03:58 jsgotangco jbailey: i'll make a comment on that then
03:58 jsgotangco anyways
03:58 jsgotangco not much members came anyways
03:58 jsgotangco i'd like to discuss docteam member stuff
03:58 jsgotangco and get opinion from those here
03:58 jsgotangco :)
03:58 dholbach if there's nothing you want with me right now, i'd leave to grab something to eat and take my dog out
03:59 jbailey dholbach: Woking the dog?
03:59 jsgotangco dholbach: cool i think we're done
03:59 jsgotangco dholbach: don't work your dog man
03:59 dholbach jbailey: errrr no :)
03:59 jsgotangco poor murphy
03:59 ogra jbailey, hey, we are not in chinatown anymore
03:59 dholbach ...
03:59 dholbach this is the right time to leave :)
03:59 ogra heh
03:59 dholbach see you later guys and thanks for the meeting
03:59 jsgotangco anyways
03:59 jsgotangco https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc has the current membership
04:00 jsgotangco obviously its restricted membership
04:00 jsgotangco but i'd like to ask if its reasonable that we make members with svn access to sign the coc
04:00 jsgotangco mandatory :)
04:00 jsgotangco besides we upload too in ubuntu servers
04:01 jbailey I would be inclined to simply restrict svn commit access to members.
04:01 jbailey Anyone who's contrib'd a bunch of things can qualify as a member.
04:01 jjesse i think members should sign the CoC
04:01 jjesse but don't give svn access to all members
04:01 jsgotangco jbailey: of course...but i'm inclined that team members sign the coc too
04:01 jjesse not all members commit correct?
=== Riddell notes dual use of word "member" here
04:01 jbailey Riddell: Right, sorry.
04:02 jbailey I meant, restrict SVN commit to Ubuntu members.
04:02 jsgotangco jbailey: ahhhh
04:02 jbailey And encourage folks who are active contributors to get their Ubuntu membership anyway, since it integrates them into the Ubuntu community in general.
04:02 kjcole In my blundering around in launchpad, I've created teams that were probably better left uncreated, one of which was the Edubuntu Cookbook team.
04:02 jsgotangco good point
04:03 jsgotangco kjcole: sure go crazy in lp anyways...
04:03 jjesse or like the team of all jonathans that one day i was a member of :)
04:03 kjcole So, speaking of docs, there needs to be more Launchpad docs for people like me. ;-)
04:03 Riddell jjesse: you arn't any more? changed your name?
04:03 jsgotangco jbailey: i probably got 1 or 2 people in the team list with commit access but not an ubuntu-member though...
04:04 jsgotangco kjcole: well https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects has a sampling of current work
04:04 jsgotangco (Edubuntu used to be there btw)
04:04 jbailey jsgotangco: Right, but if they've contributed enough to get svn access, then they've certainly done enough to become an Ubuntu member
04:05 jsgotangco sure if it interests them at all (one don't)
04:05 jbailey Do you really think it would be a blocked?
04:05 jbailey blocker, rather?
04:06 jsgotangco not really, but i'd have them sign the coc since they do work in ubuntu servers for one
04:06 jsgotangco being a -member is their own choice
04:06 Riddell only blocking would be a time issue, 2 weeks to next CC meeting then however long to get an SVN account is a hassle
04:06 jsgotangco but any current -member can easily get svn access sure
04:07 jjesse boss was around, Riddell i'm no longer amember of that team
04:07 jjesse i didn't change name or antying
04:08 jsgotangco what team?
04:08 jjesse the all jonathan's team
04:08 Riddell jjesse: I don't seem to be either, wonder where it's gone
04:08 jsgotangco lol ok
04:08 jjesse didthe team get deleted?
04:08 jsgotangco anyways
04:08 jsgotangco this needs more discussion
04:08 jsgotangco and more ubuntu-doc members
04:08 jsgotangco its probably a good cc topic too, not just for ubuntu-doc but for other teams
04:08 Riddell I agree with jbailey though, just make sure everyone is an ubuntu member
04:09 jjesse can i just say that AS/400 query sucks
04:09 jbailey jjesse: This isn't news. =)
04:09 jbailey But sometimes I miss green text on a black background. =)
04:09 jjesse not news for me either, but i hate working w/ it :(
04:09 jbailey jsgotangco: Will you bring it up with the CC?
04:09 jjesse they want to move here from green screen to in the web browser
04:09 jsgotangco Riddell: that's really a good suggestion and makes sure the one who commits actually went through the acid test
04:10 jsgotangco jbailey: i need to ask the other guys (burgundavia, mdke, rob, etc.)
04:10 jbailey jsgotangco: And the you don't necessarily need to worry about CoC for people without SVN because it's always getting filtered through someone who has.
04:10 Riddell jjesse: ah https://launchpad.net/people/jouuamaoe
04:10 jjesse i would vote for svn access go to members
04:10 jjesse my subscription has been deactivated
04:10 jsgotangco ubuntu-members is already settled they're whitelisted then
04:11 jsgotangco the question now is svn access be restriected to ubuntu-members, meaning potential contributors need to become an ubuntu-member
=== jsgotangco is warming up on the thought just now...
04:12 jjesse based on the amount of patches they submitted to the mailing list they would be good canidates for inclusion to ubuntu-members, shows theyare dedicated
04:12 jsgotangco yes
04:12 jsgotangco kjcole: what's the plan on the cookbook?
04:13 kjcole Sorry, stepped away for a minute.
04:13 kjcole jsgotangco: Plan? We don't need no stinking plan!
04:13 jsgotangco that's the spirit!
04:14 jsgotangco bshumate: you there mate? you got any questions while we're still here?
04:14 jsgotangco we can wrap up now
04:14 jsgotangco hmm
04:14 jsgotangco alright
04:14 Riddell has any work started on the ubuntu desktop doc?
04:14 kjcole Honestly, I don't know. As I mentioned at the Edubuntu meeting two days ago, I wasn't at the table when I got committed to doing it. (I was off in another room with the LTSP people.)
04:14 bshumate i am here...no questions. very professional bunch ya got here!
04:15 bshumate jsgotangco: can i e-mail you later with any other questions though?
04:15 jsgotangco Riddell: last time i looked at it, a lot of screenshots got moved
04:16 jsgotangco bshumate: sure dude
04:16 kjcole So, I'm learning about things like XML, docbook, LTSP, revision management, and oh... Edubuntu. None of which I've used. Jeff who's the other member of the team has at least used LTSP.
04:17 jsgotangco kjcole: i started with zero too last year when i joined the project really
04:17 jsgotangco anyways we had a good meeting
04:17 jsgotangco hopefully the next will have more people (mdke, burg, etc.)
04:17 jjesse Riddell: i've started a little on the kubuntu desktop guide but nothing ready to be commited
04:18 kjcole Well, I'm willing, and hopefully able, just not quite ready. Soon though.
04:18 jsgotangco i'll post the minutes tommorow
04:18 jsgotangco next meeting in 2 weeks, 22:00UTC!!!!
04:18 jjesse keep the launchpad calendar updated
04:18 kjcole See ya.
04:18 jsgotangco oh crap dec. 2
04:18 jsgotangco i'll be in seoul
04:18 jsgotangco jeezz
04:18 jsgotangco anways
04:18 jsgotangco dec. 2, 2200UTC!
04:19 jsgotangco adjourned!MeetingLogs/DocTeam_2005-11-18 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:27:41 by localhost)