This is the 15th meeting of the Iowa Team, starting at 20:07 CST and finishing at 21:32 CST
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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 20:06:16 2010 Jul 29 20:06:48 <Iowan> I'm late - time to start... Jul 29 20:07:15 <Iowan> Welcome to July Iowa Loco meeting Jul 29 20:07:16 <hawkbill> present Jul 29 20:07:27 <Iowan> Thanks! also present Jul 29 20:08:01 <hawkbill> I didn't look to see if there was an agenda Jul 29 20:08:24 <Iowan> Maybe more later - hope everyone else didn't give up and leave Jul 29 20:08:34 <Iowan> No agenda posted Jul 29 20:08:58 <Iowan> Only item of interest would be another Global Jam upcoming Jul 29 20:09:22 <hawkbill> I haven't been live for quite a while but I was at the IC library this spring Jul 29 20:09:57 <Iowan> Thn you're in the "famous photo"? Jul 29 20:10:18 <hawkbill> Yes, my netbook took the picture. Jul 29 20:10:36 <Iowan> Wonderful - now I have a face to go with the name... Jul 29 20:10:42 <hawkbill> Is the global jam the weekend of August 28th? Jul 29 20:11:15 <Iowan> I'm not absolutely sure - sometime later in August Jul 29 20:11:47 <Iowan> I was gonna check email - but got tied up in Coralville 20 minutes ago Jul 29 20:12:11 <hawkbill> Since I talked to you last I passed the Ubuntu Certified Professional exams Jul 29 20:12:18 <Iowan> WOW!!! Jul 29 20:12:37 <Iowan> The more I use Ubuntu, the less I seem to know... Jul 29 20:13:02 <hawkbill> It was a really hard test and I still learn something new everyday Jul 29 20:13:50 <hawkbill> Have you done anything witih IPv6? Jul 29 20:14:02 <Iowan> not yet Jul 29 20:14:29 <Iowan> Guess I'm eventually gonna hafta learn, though Jul 29 20:14:42 <hawkbill> I can't get my MediaCom rep to answer me about what there plan for the transition will be Jul 29 20:15:00 <hawkbill> oops there should be their Jul 29 20:15:28 <Iowan> I'm doing good (occasionally) to get the letters in the right order Jul 29 20:16:25 <Iowan> So far, all I do with it is turn it off Jul 29 20:17:07 <hawkbill> Apache, postfix, ssh all started using IPv6 once I get my tunnel set up. Configuring the gw6c daemon was a real pain but I finally figured it out Jul 29 20:17:49 <hawkbill> Most links I found were for how to disable it but it does seem faster than IPv4 even with the slower connection Jul 29 20:18:31 <Iowan> Odd - most info in forums blame IPv6 for slow connections Jul 29 20:18:54 <Iowan> IPv6 probably works better IF the network will handle it Jul 29 20:19:36 <Iowan> A router that doesn't know what to do with it will choke for awhile before finally trying IPv4 Jul 29 20:20:07 <Iowan> or so it seems... Jul 29 20:20:26 <hawkbill> I think that they are probably posts that are becoming dated. The connection is slower since it goes through a tunnel but the packet payload is bigger Jul 29 20:21:10 <hawkbill> I think it is using IPv6 in IPv4 Jul 29 20:21:44 <hawkbill> Google and Facebook both have an IPv6 enabled website Jul 29 20:22:17 <Iowan> Suppose it depends if ISP provides it - otherwise, bottleneck. Jul 29 20:23:58 <Iowan> How's Lucid been working for you? Jul 29 20:24:05 <hawkbill> If you apt-get install gw6c it automatically sets up a tunnel with a server in Montreal as anonymous user and then firefox can get you to IPv6 enabled websites Jul 29 20:24:57 <hawkbill> I have had some issues on older video cards with a GPU lock that crashes the computer. My newer equipment loves it. Jul 29 20:25:24 <hawkbill> The server version runs great even on some older machines Jul 29 20:25:50 <Iowan> I've had some interesting problems on the machine I loaded @Jam - video-type, too Jul 29 20:26:42 <hawkbill> was it a problem with grub or the bios that had you jammed up at the Jam Jul 29 20:27:20 <Iowan> I had two machines there - the problem was a funky bootloader Jul 29 20:27:47 <Iowan> After I used an older "release", it loaded OK Jul 29 20:28:26 <Iowan> Occasionally, out of the blue, I get flashing stripes that require machine reboot Jul 29 20:28:58 <hawkbill> I had one client where I just had it load an old kernel and it works very well and I have had that problem with the flashing stripes also Jul 29 20:30:03 <hawkbill> As near as I can tell by looking at the logs there is GPU (Graphical Processor Unit) that gets locked. Is yours on a Nvidia card? Jul 29 20:30:16 <Iowan> Kinda getting tired of hoping the problems will be fixed in "the next release" Jul 29 20:30:29 <Iowan> Sometimes they are - but new, worse ones pop up Jul 29 20:30:59 <hawkbill> I have seen some people claim that the new Maverick kernel solves the problem Jul 29 20:31:26 <Iowan> Um... I'm not exactly sure what's in this Dell 4500s Jul 29 20:31:59 <hawkbill> The one I have a problem with is a Dell 2400 Jul 29 20:32:01 <Iowan> Samba seems to get trickier w/ each release, wireless has been ongoing Lucid issue Jul 29 20:32:46 <Iowan> This machine is a Dell 4100 - but runs Hardy... Jul 29 20:33:39 <hawkbill> Both of my laptops have an occasional connection problem where it just doesn't log onto the router but a reboot takes care of it. I have never had it drop the connection. Jul 29 20:34:12 <Iowan> I've seen threads where wireless drops out/reconnects every few seconds Jul 29 20:34:28 <Iowan> Haven't seen any bulletproof solutions, though Jul 29 20:34:41 <hawkbill> I wonder if that is a Network Manager problem Jul 29 20:35:18 <Iowan> ??? maybe... NM is still evolving, too Jul 29 20:36:00 <hawkbill> You could try a static configuration but then you would have to change it for anywhere else you would want to connect it to. Jul 29 20:36:54 <Iowan> I haven't had any problems, but my Lucid box is primarily to check other problems Jul 29 20:37:26 <Iowan> I've also seen DHCP server threads that refused to issue lease to Ubuntu (not just Lucid) Jul 29 20:38:26 <Iowan> It's more "fun" to solve someone else's problem... mine just get frustrating... Jul 29 20:38:28 <hawkbill> I have had that problem on a sporting bar wireless server. Jul 29 20:39:19 <hawkbill> It could see the router but wouldn't make a connection Jul 29 20:41:25 <Iowan> Not that it matters, but was that Lucid? Jul 29 20:41:58 <Iowan> My laptop still runs Jaunty - aside from sound problem, again, it seems to work well Jul 29 20:42:09 <hawkbill> No it was an older release last fall sept. I think Jul 29 20:42:27 <Iowan> I'm a li'l gunshy to try Lucid on it Jul 29 20:42:38 <Iowan> Karmic? Jul 29 20:43:20 <hawkbill> Have you tried the live CD to see how it would handle it? Jul 29 20:43:52 <Iowan> Laptop is 64-bit - I haven't downloaded the latest version, yet Jul 29 20:44:16 <Iowan> I should use my membership to get a copy Jul 29 20:44:58 <hawkbill> I have a laptop that is 64-bit and it handles Lucid very well. It does have a powerful graphics card. Jul 29 20:44:59 <Iowan> or buy a $20 magazine... Jul 29 20:45:10 <Iowan> MY laptop has an ATI Jul 29 20:45:26 <hawkbill> You can download and burn your own CD Jul 29 20:45:52 <Iowan> I usually do, but haven't had time lately Jul 29 20:46:26 <Iowan> Been living on forums - gotta be out of town this weekend Jul 29 20:46:41 <hawkbill> I have a CD from Linux Pro Magazine that has six versions of Lucid on a DVD that you can have Jul 29 20:47:14 <Iowan> Tempting... Jul 29 20:47:56 <hawkbill> I will be in IC on Sunday, send me an email and I can drop it off for you. Jul 29 20:48:33 <Iowan> What time - I have meeting in CR Sunday afternoon Jul 29 20:48:46 <Iowan> I'll be in Central city until meeting time Jul 29 20:49:29 <hawkbill> I am flexible and will be there between 9 am to 9 pm Jul 29 20:49:46 <Iowan> I shold be back in town by 4-ish Jul 29 20:50:03 <Iowan> (my spelling isn't perfect, either... Jul 29 20:50:09 <Iowan> ) Jul 29 20:50:53 <Iowan> What part of town will you be in? Jul 29 20:51:19 <hawkbill> email firstname.lastname@example.org with your contact information and I'll get in touch with you. I have friends that live in North Liberty Jul 29 20:52:14 <hawkbill> As for the Global Jam, I can't do anything on August 28th but I could do something on Sunday the 29th Jul 29 20:52:24 <Iowan> OK - sounds good. Wife will be in town, too. Might have to send her... Jul 29 20:53:09 <Iowan> I'll try to email the list - we may need to have another special meeting - or so - between now and then Jul 29 20:53:27 <Iowan> If no one else is interested, we could probably get Library again Jul 29 20:53:36 <Iowan> (or Panera...) Jul 29 20:54:46 <hawkbill> I don't have a place to host a meeting yet but I hope to within the next year. I am teaching a couple of classes this fall at our local college but don't know the people there well enough to get a meeting room. Jul 29 20:55:39 <hawkbill> The Kirkwood site sounded interesting last time. Jul 29 20:56:51 * rescadasys (~email@example.com) has joined #ubuntu-us-ia Jul 29 20:57:20 <Iowan> Yes, it just gets a li'l dicey on what kind of supervision is required - the college is ordinarily closed on the weekend Jul 29 20:57:46 <Iowan> Another participant? Jul 29 20:57:48 <hawkbill> I think that the IC Library worked really well Jul 29 20:58:40 <Iowan> I liked it - Coralville Library has free parking - biggest downfall of Iowa City Jul 29 20:58:49 <hawkbill> I'll ask my friends about the North Liberty Library also. Jul 29 20:59:03 <Iowan> Never been there - but I'm game! Jul 29 20:59:49 <hawkbill> I'll ask them this weekend. it would be nice to get the location settled earlier so that we could advertise a little more Jul 29 21:01:03 <hawkbill> Well, I've got to go. It was nice chatting with you Iowan talk to you soon Jul 29 21:01:12 <Iowan> Sounds good! plans can change - but not if there aren't any... Jul 29 21:01:27 <rescadasys> darn, I missed it Jul 29 21:01:48 * hawkbill (4a54562e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.8.131.52) has left #ubuntu-us-ia Jul 29 21:01:49 <Iowan> Thanks for dropping by - I need to contact camp ranger shortly, too. Look for follow-up emails... Jul 29 21:01:59 <Iowan> Not yet you haven't! Jul 29 21:02:24 <rescadasys> did many show up? Jul 29 21:02:37 <Iowan> The "minutes" will be posted on wiki later... you make 3 Jul 29 21:03:02 <Iowan> sometimes we have another closer to 9:00 Jul 29 21:03:10 <rescadasys> okay, looking forward to future ones Jul 29 21:03:44 <Iowan> There may be some special sessions - if we plan to put on a Global Jam event this month Jul 29 21:04:39 <rescadasys> No problem, I am just glad to see some membership Jul 29 21:04:51 <Iowan> I've been busy lately - otherwise, I'd like to hold informal meeting weekly... but I struggle to get this one announced monthly Jul 29 21:04:58 <rescadasys> In bettendorf Jul 29 21:06:44 <Iowan> What's new in Bettendorf? Jul 29 21:07:59 <rescadasys> Crazy LUG stuff Jul 29 21:08:12 <rescadasys> Lots of issues here Jul 29 21:10:24 <rescadasys> Do you attend the University there? Jul 29 21:10:52 <Iowan> No, I work for a living Jul 29 21:11:06 <rescadasys> Admin? Jul 29 21:11:12 <Iowan> Not associated with Univ - I 'm automotive manufacturing Jul 29 21:11:51 <Iowan> Among other things - we make instrument panels and door panels for corvette Jul 29 21:12:17 <rescadasys> Nice Jul 29 21:12:31 <Iowan> Closest I'll ever get to one... Jul 29 21:12:51 <Iowan> How do you spend your week Jul 29 21:13:04 <rescadasys> 5 kids here ...know what you mean Jul 29 21:14:10 <rescadasys> Sales Engineer - Industrial Automation the long title lets me play Jul 29 21:14:59 <Iowan> Hmmm - sounds kinda similar - I do automation (just not sales) Jul 29 21:15:24 <Iowan> I claim to be a robot jockey Jul 29 21:17:21 <rescadasys> Jack of all trades, master at nothing Jul 29 21:17:29 <rescadasys> me by the way Jul 29 21:17:36 <Iowan> :) Jul 29 21:17:57 <Iowan> Are you on our mailing list? Jul 29 21:18:12 <rescadasys> ABB? Jul 29 21:18:27 <rescadasys> I am on the mailing list as Brian Dietz Jul 29 21:18:38 <Iowan> I program ABB's, yes (and Fanuc's) Jul 29 21:19:13 <rescadasys> Many robots at the facility? Jul 29 21:19:18 <Iowan> GREAT - I suspect there will be more emails about setting up Glogal Jam. Jul 29 21:20:14 <Iowan> I generally don't mess with painters, but we have about 14 of them and about 20 others Jul 29 21:20:54 <Iowan> maybe 25 others Jul 29 21:20:58 <rescadasys> I actually am pretty new to the Global Jam thing and do not really understand it vs. a Bug Jam Jul 29 21:21:23 <rescadasys> I will check it out on the wiki Jul 29 21:21:32 <Iowan> Global kinda encompasses whatever specialty you want - install, translation, but, etc Jul 29 21:22:19 <Iowan> (but=bug) Jul 29 21:22:46 <Iowan> Last time, ours was more of an install jam. Jul 29 21:24:16 <Iowan> Years ago, I attended Iowa City LUG meetings - they eventually merged with Cedar Rapids - and kinda dissolved Jul 29 21:24:53 <Iowan> Been running solo since then - don't remember why I tried Ubuntu. Jul 29 21:25:20 <Iowan> Maybe the $70 computer from Univ Surplus that was finally enough to run modern distro Jul 29 21:26:56 <rescadasys> I started with Open SUSE 10.1 in 2004 and had problems with installation, moved to Ubuntu shrtly after and never looked at anything else Jul 29 21:27:40 <Iowan> I haven't seriously considered another distro... but Lucid certainly hs rough edges Jul 29 21:28:23 <rescadasys> I am extremely happy with it with about 8 computers in the household...no Windows, plenty of that for my bob Jul 29 21:29:08 <rescadasys> Really Lucid, by far the best for me Jul 29 21:30:33 <Iowan> Well, I hate to slam the door, but I need to pack for a weekend at Scout camp. Jul 29 21:31:32 <Iowan> I'll look for you here - maybe in-person sometime. Jul 29 21:31:34 <rescadasys> My wife has been calling me, have a good night. I will spread the word about your LoCo Jul 29 21:31:40 <rescadasys> Thanks Jul 29 21:31:52 <Iowan> Thanks to you, too. Good evening Jul 29 21:31:56 * rescadasys has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 29 21:32:10 2010