11:01 elkbuntu while we wait to start.. the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting === AdamBagnall [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:02 ajmitch hi === pirast [n=martin@p508B2258.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:02 jono right should we start? 11:03 newz2000 hi === seele [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:03 jono hi newz2000 11:03 nixternal i take it you made it there newz2000 ;) 11:03 newz2000 just. :) 11:03 jono everyone got the agenda up? 11:03 jono ok, show of hands, who is here for the loco meeting? === newz2000 is here === JoeyStanford raises his hand. 11:03 Gnomonic Aye 11:03 kjcole Aye (or I) 11:03 nixternal o/ 11:04 elkbuntu me me me me :) 11:04 AdamBagnall o/ 11:04 matt_good yup === jono raises a finger sheepishly 11:04 jono :P 11:04 jono cool 11:04 nixternal which finger? 11:04 jono :P === dthacke1 (generally known as dthacker raises his hand) 11:04 nixternal not the chicago wave is it? 11:04 elkbuntu a CoC friendly one 11:04 looksaus jono, manners! 11:04 jono right, lots to get through 11:04 nixternal haha 11:04 jono firstly, docs 11:04 nixternal well, isn't it the same as the backwards v? 11:04 jono it was the docs day today, and not a huge amount got done === Plug === ajmitch is here for meeting, sort of 11:05 jono any thoughts on why? 11:05 Plug I perused the docs, found I really didn't have anything to add === dthacke1 agrees with Plug 11:05 elkbuntu because it wasnt well enough known 11:05 jono right 11:05 looksaus err, I made quite an addition I think 11:05 jono I suspect there was not enough knowledge of it 11:05 jono which we could with improving 11:05 ajmitch this is the first I heard of it being a docs day 11:05 jono maybe a fridge post will solve this issue 11:05 elkbuntu yep 11:06 jono also, I think everyone has something to contribute, but many are not sure of what 11:06 jono so I figured we could discuss the main docs 11:06 jono I would say a critical one is the FAQ at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ 11:06 jono I would love to turn this into the all seeing all dancing FAQ 11:06 jono we also had a good start on the planet howto and the maps howto 11:06 elkbuntu we dont know what you want to know, without that elusive mind-reading skill 11:07 jono heh 11:07 Plug FAQs need the questions to actually be asked 11:07 Plug if there are questions, writing answers is relatively easy! :) 11:07 dthacke1 jono: do you have a list of unanswered questions? 11:07 JoeyStanford I have a small bit to add to most of the material but have not found the time yet. Given my week this week, I may not get to it until Mountain View. === yama [n=yama@ubuntu/member/yama] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:07 looksaus if you have unanswered questions, they should go there too 11:07 jono well, imagine the kind of stuff people ask, or stuff that people actually ask, and then update the FAQ === stelis [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LoudMouthMan [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:08 jono the FAQ is not just about the questions we actually get, but also about questions we may get 11:08 elkbuntu maybe we need a 'questions list', where people can ask things 11:08 jono so, yeah, no urgency, but everyone keep it in the back of your head, if everyone adds a few questions, we get one fat mother of a FAQ :) 11:08 LoudMouthMan Evning all, sorry jono .. i was distracted with the AA page 11:08 jono no worries 11:09 Plug tbh, I actually think its quite comprehensive at the moment 11:09 jono Plug, its getting good, but if anyone thinks something is missing, feel free to add it :) === john [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:09 jono I also added the Knowledge Base to the main LoCo site 11:09 JoeyStanford fwiw, my own personal view was that I was going to add the items that came up when I started the CoLoCo. 11:09 jono if anyone wants to write some docs and add it to the Knowledge Base, that would be great 11:10 jono JoeyStanford, cool === glennji [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:10 jono I think docs are pretty central to the project, and I am looking to add some additional docs when I get time 11:11 jono any other thoughts re. docs? 11:11 jono anything people want to see? or feel are missing? 11:11 looksaus target audience docs 11:11 jono looksaus, what do you mean? 11:11 looksaus branding hints 11:12 JoeyStanford It would be helpful to have the setup information along with tips to help new LoCo's start. Information about event planning for existing LoCo's. I'd also like to see a section about sponsorship...e.g. in our case System 76 is a corp sponsor. 11:12 jono branding for? 11:12 looksaus hints on which subgroups to focus on first 11:12 jono JoeyStanford, this is all good stuff 11:12 Plug A big unaddressed issue, to my mind, is "why to do it" 11:12 jono Plug, another great point 11:12 Plug what the group gets out of it, how it relates to other LUGs etc 11:12 newz2000 Plug: good question 11:12 jono how about we have a page of things that need documenting? 11:13 jono like a TODO of things that need going in the docs? 11:13 JoeyStanford Plug, very good point. I think the answers to that one question will be the same in many cases but also very different for different areas. 11:13 dthacke1 I'd like to know what interaction to have with a huge regional group, like the 2 or 3 US ones 11:13 jono dthacke1, another great point 11:13 jono ok one sec 11:13 jono right I will create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo === Ju [n=Ju@cpe-76-168-15-151.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:13 Ju Hi all 11:14 jono right could you folks add your ideas to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo 11:14 jono we can use that as a source for things to document :) 11:15 jono I think docs are part of the key to LoCo world domination :) 11:15 elkbuntu lol, indeed 11:15 looksaus jono, with target audience docs, I tried to say 11:15 JoeyStanford A question that was raised our Edgy release party was Plug's: Why do we all like this LoCo concept. I added some of our concept to the minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam/EdgyMeetingMinutes 11:15 jono looksaus, right :) 11:15 looksaus which groups to target primarily 11:15 looksaus like : 11:15 jono looksaus, sounds great, and important for the docs too :) 11:15 looksaus technical users 11:15 looksaus AND 11:15 kjcole I know it's bad form to change page names, but perhaps the sort of restructuring of wiki pages into sub-page structure might be worth considering... 11:15 looksaus so called 80% users 11:16 jono JoeyStanford, Plug looksaus dthacke1 - ok are you guys ok to add topics to that page and we can then work on them? 11:16 john I have been getting errors involving roxen3 and mysql. This comes up with apt-get. I can find absolutely no explanation about this browser, roxen3. is this the place to get help? 11:16 Plug jono: sure 11:16 dthacke1 yes 11:16 LoudMouthMan much as I love reading log files at a later date, should we be adding some syntax like [NOTE] to things like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDocsToDo just to make searching this text at a later date easier. or [AGREED] for some point.. 11:16 Gnomonic looksaus: What is a 80% user? 11:16 jono john, nope, head to #ubuntu 11:16 jono awesome 11:16 JoeyStanford Jono, yes sir. Might take until Sunday but it'll be done. 11:16 looksaus Gnomonic, a user that does very casual things with his comp: 11:16 jono awesome 11:16 jono lets move to the next topic then :) 11:17 jono working with other groups 11:17 LoudMouthMan [topic] 11:17 Plug (side note: the fact that ever change I make gets emailled to ajmitch/danielholbach/nixternal feel s abit offputting ;) 11:17 newz2000 Plug: they likely ignore the e-mails 11:17 ajmitch Plug: sorry :) 11:17 jono Plug, :P 11:17 Plug oh, I don't doubt that 11:17 jono at LinuxWorld there was some discussion with ubuntu-uk with who LoudMouthMan is one of the core members, about how we can better work with LUGs and other user groups 11:17 jono naturally we don't want LoCo teams to overthrow other groups, and we need to work with other groups effectively === doko_ [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:18 Plug A primary answer is 'Canonical $stuff distribution' (shipit, etc) 11:18 Plug it gives the LUGs an instant reason to exist 11:18 jono Plug, good point 11:18 looksaus why would you want to do that? 11:18 Plug erm, s/LUG/LoCo/ 11:18 jono well, we determined that LUGs are general support groups, and LoCo teams are really teams to help advocate and promote Ubuntu 11:18 dthacke1 We plan on doing more outreach than the current LUG, which only does monthly meetings 11:19 LoudMouthMan Yes, president Popey is concerned that we dont splinter or fraction the LUG users, ive added it to the UKteam approval as Ensuring Ubuntu compliments and Enhances a Linux User group 11:19 Plug but it also affirms a stereotype 'ubuntu is only popular cos canonical send it to people for free' :) 11:19 looksaus jono, I see this _very_ differently 11:19 jono looksaus, how so? 11:19 looksaus as lugs cater to a technical group 11:19 looksaus geeks and nerds 11:19 newz2000 ah 11:19 looksaus and there is a group that is absolutely not like this 11:19 Plug our (national) LoCo covers the area of many LUGs 11:19 jono looksaus, so your team caters for non-geeks? 11:19 LoudMouthMan but a lug is not exlcusively one specific catering subset.. === dthacke1 does agree with looksaus 11:20 JoeyStanford I've documented our answer to this question on the CoLoCo page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColoradoTeam 11:20 looksaus yes 11:20 looksaus lugs are _not_ end user support 11:20 Plug looksaus: some are 11:20 looksaus if you want to break outside the geek public 11:20 jono looksaus, ok thats cool, there is nothing wrong with being different, we just need to be sure we don't tread on toes 11:20 looksaus you _don't_ go to a lug 11:20 elkbuntu the function of LUGs is as varied as the function of LoCos 11:20 jono elkbuntu, exactly 11:20 jono looksaus, LUGs are very varied, many do support many don't 11:20 jono when I toured the UK LUGs earlier this year they were hugely different 11:21 LoudMouthMan ooh neat .. we used Enhance as well. thats great.. Enhance is a feature! 11:21 looksaus my point is that you need to break loose 11:21 looksaus from the technical people who gather in a lug 11:21 jono now, LoudMouthMan made some great notes about working with other groups from the ubuntu-uk meeting 11:21 yama there are fears in some LUGs that Ubuntu is trying to take over. This should be avoided 11:21 kjcole Our LoCo "leans towards" Ubuntu, but try to throw in a good word for other distros every once in a while. Our focus is on reaching the non-geeky, particularly in K-12 schools, libraries, and small community groups. 11:21 jono I would love to see some of those notes in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups 11:21 jono LoudMouthMan, are you ok to merge some of that in, maybe with the help of popey ? 11:21 elkbuntu yama, crap, they're on to us...! 11:21 nixternal Plug: just on your side note, the reason we get those emails, and i look at everyone, is to assist with the admin of the wiki, so if someone defaces a page, i can see it right away, or others, and fix it 11:21 Plug I liken the LoCo here to a virtual collection of the Ubuntu promoting focused users from all the national LUG 11:21 Plug s 11:21 JoeyStanford These are all good comments. We've been thru this as part of the justification to setup the CoLoCo....so I refer everyone back to our team page. 11:22 jono yama, yeah, we need to be careful of that 11:22 Plug each LUG has a bunch of people who dont care about Ubuntu, and a bunch that are only ever going to be users 11:22 Plug (which is fine) 11:22 jono JoeyStanford, cool, so you have some good thoughts on this subject? 11:22 JoeyStanford I have *LOTS* of thoughts. === JoeyStanford smiles. 11:22 jono JoeyStanford, good good :) 11:22 LoudMouthMan a better thought might be this : the other distros will mobilise their own communities.. this concerns LUGS more. however LUGS ar the assimilationof all distros into one common interest. hence Ubuntu LOCO teams can set the prescendence for working with them. 11:22 jono JoeyStanford, if you can contribute to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups as well, that would be great 11:22 JoeyStanford This was the primary topic ...the primary deciding aspect of setting up Colorado. We explored it in depdth. 11:23 JoeyStanford in depth even. 11:23 Plug I generalise that 'LUGs are meatspace' 11:23 LoudMouthMan and I spotted that comment Jono.. i was hopping other team members would edit for me.. namely (president)Pope 11:23 jono it seems most loco teams are interested in advocacy and promotion too - less about support and less about physical meetings 11:23 Plug our LoCo can't do that, and probably shouldn't. 11:23 looksaus Plug, meatspace? 11:23 jono LoudMouthMan, ok, lets persuade him :) 11:23 Plug looksaus: "the real world" 11:23 Plug where people are made of meat, not 1s and 0s :P 11:23 looksaus heh 11:23 jono :) 11:23 LoudMouthMan well i was going to ask him directly thursday if it had stayed empty .. hes got the best fix on a LUGmaster concern here 11:24 jono LoudMouthMan, I think he can offer some sane and realistic guidence for that page :) 11:24 jono I think that the issue of group relations is something we *all* need to take care with - we don't want to make LUGs feel like we are overtaking them 11:24 looksaus if you want end users with little skills to help each other, you will need one distro for them to center around 11:25 jono it seems most LoCo teams though have a definitive and different direction to a LUG 11:25 Plug "LUGs are dying" 11:25 elkbuntu jono, Plug is probably equally qualified for it, given his experience 11:25 LoudMouthMan jono : i agree 11:25 jono elkbuntu, awesome 11:25 Plug you need far less handholding to install Linux these days 11:25 jono Plug, would you be happy to add content to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoWorkingWithOtherGroups 11:25 Plug sure, looking now 11:25 jono Plug, not much to look at :P 11:25 LoudMouthMan Plug your not wrong .. they are dying but I dont feel thats a justification 11:26 jono awesome, just some things for us to think about 11:26 elkbuntu no reason why we cannot help change that 11:26 looksaus if you want to break outside a technical public 11:26 LoudMouthMan I know Dobbo and I spoke about it 3yrs ago thats why we started BCF and FSB meetings. 11:26 looksaus you want to stay away from most lugs... 11:26 Plug I was just saying that you need to expect some animosity from the 'old school' :) 11:26 looksaus you want to attract a different kind of people 11:26 JoeyStanford In Colorado, those LUG statements do not apply as greatly. LUGs are a backbone, albeit not as strong as they once were. 11:26 jono looksaus, we don't want to just break outside a technical public, but whatever your views, we are computer fans and so are they, so there are issues there 11:27 nixternal see, what I have been doing with the local LUGs, is just providing information/insite into the Ubuntu community..nothing more and nothing less. when i goto a LUG meeting, it is all about Linux, unless an Ubuntu topic comes up.. 11:27 LoudMouthMan theres a phrase I see on IRC quite a lot when talking about bringing new of fresh people into Ubuntu. 11:27 looksaus ah, k, sorry to have misunderstood 11:27 jono looksaus, we want to target non users, I am just saying we don't want to inflame negative relations with other groups :) 11:27 jono looksaus, :) 11:27 JoeyStanford Nixternal: Same here. 11:27 LoudMouthMan people say " I dont care " when refering to those below a set technical standard or understanding 11:27 nixternal i provide them with CDs when they ask..a LUG is for Linux in general, and some tend to get annoyed when you bring reteric into their community 11:27 jono I recommend we get that page filled out, and then we can schedule a meeting about this wide and interesting subject 11:27 LoudMouthMan I think it fits the Coc to start showing that Care is a feature. 11:28 jono everyone ok to move on? 11:28 elkbuntu yep 11:28 jono or any other comments? 11:28 nixternal although Plug probably would have the best LUG insite, seeing as he is from the home of the larget LUG i believe 11:28 looksaus well, I can say that lugs out here are absolutely not negative towards us 11:28 Plug We're not that large! :P 11:28 LoudMouthMan possibly we approach the other Distro guys ... Jon Fautley, Ted Heager ( others ? ) and discuss LUG energising. 11:28 looksaus au contraire 11:28 LoudMouthMan great so .. Plug can you start the content for us please? 11:28 JoeyStanford The primary separation between LUGs and LoCo's is Ubuntu in my mind. LUGs do Linux and related. LoCo's do Ubuntu. We tend to have more distro specific information, translated, and with that comes a greater ability to perform outreach, training, and even support. 11:29 nixternal Plug: there is a guy I know that is moving there in a couple of months, and one of his reasons was the LUG ;) 11:29 Plug it seems that any group with one or two driving people with passion, will succeed 11:29 jono evidently there are lots of thoughts here, and scope for future discussion 11:29 Plug The trick is finding those people 11:29 nixternal that there is jono 11:29 jono I think what is important is that we have some solid guidance on that page for LoCos who are unsure of how to move forward 11:29 LoudMouthMan if only there was a pdcast that could talk about LUG energising ? 11:29 jono nixternal, awww shucks :) 11:30 LoudMouthMan nevermind... next ! 11:30 jono LoudMouthMan, shut your face :P 11:30 elkbuntu lol === glennji giggles at loudmouthman's sarcasm 11:30 jono so, we ready to rock onto the next topic? 11:30 looksaus yup... 11:30 newz2000 [TOPIC] 11:30 dthacke1 next! 11:30 elkbuntu i think so 11:30 LoudMouthMan thanks newz === jono hugs LoudMouthMan in a manly "did you see the bears game" way 11:30 jono right, education === LoudMouthMan raises....... an eyebrow 11:30 elkbuntu get a room you two 11:31 newz2000 [TOPIC] 11:31 LoudMouthMan ooh good my other favourite topic. 11:31 nixternal wooohoooo DA BEARS!!! 11:31 jono many of you will have seen Richard Weiderman's post to loco-contacts about education 11:31 jono a bit of background 11:31 LoudMouthMan um no .. but lets assume i did .. man I must join more mail lists 11:31 jono Richard works for Canonical as Education Manager and he is keen to reach out to loco teams to help our teams get some success with education 11:32 jono the idea is that those teams who are interested in education would be great having an education lead 11:32 jono that is, a person who is happy to coordinate the education efforts of the team 11:32 jono this gives richard a point of contact for helping the team 11:32 LoudMouthMan ahh okay .. so my notes to post about sending these spare Edubuntu CDs to local Mps and Nursery Franchise owners would be useful ? I had a cover letter and all set out. 11:32 Plug I reposted your missive to our list and had two people say "I'd like to help, what do I do", and really didn't have much more I could tell them other than "read the wiki page & sign up". 11:32 jono our Colorado friends kicked it off 11:32 jono sure 11:32 nixternal yes, and I have been working on local educational contacts, and it is nice as there is an Educucational/School admin in the Chicago group, so he is making it easier for me...it seems there may be some great interest in Open Source in the school systems around here 11:32 jono those who want to figure out some edu contacts, add them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamEducation 11:33 jono nixternal, awesome! :) 11:33 dthacke1 NebraskaTeam is starting with local schools. Those will be our first presentations, when we get contacts made. 11:33 jono this is great 11:34 jono one thing I would like to work on in the future is for each team to have certain contacts (in addition to the normal main contact), and education contact is a great idea 11:34 jono it will make it easier for interested parties to talk to each other 11:34 jono also, Richard has his foot in the Edubuntu camp, so we have some great opportunities there too === dthacke1 notes that this is why we need more than three team members.... 11:34 LoudMouthMan issues will arise as to how Education is handled as a govt department for each loco team so it will be useful to spot where common ground exists in creating awareness. 11:34 jono so if you could all talk to your groups to figure out an edu contact, that would be great 11:35 kjcole The DC LoCo has Edubuntu labs in four local high schools, and five affordable housing project labs (which are often used by the younger kids). 11:35 jono dthacke1, heh 11:35 jono kjcole, wow, send me a fridge article about that with photos and I will get it posted :) 11:35 nixternal DC LoCo guys, I might be out in your area soon visiting my daughter, if I find time, I would like to maybe get together and see how you all are rocking it out there 11:36 dthacke1 kjcole, are you done with that HOWTO yet ;) 11:36 jono heh === nixternal misses DC so much === jono slaps dthacke1 :P 11:36 nixternal lol 11:36 JoeyStanford In CoLoCo's case, I gave the Edu person a title (Team Lead) and requested two, a primary and a backup, because we all know people get busy. :-) 11:36 newz2000 do you mean the "howto: world domination"? 11:37 jono this is an important point 11:37 jono if anyone has any success stories, do let me know so we can promote them on the fridge 11:37 kjcole jono Will try to send you something. For the moment you can poke around on our not-so-well maintained page: http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ 11:37 jono we need the world to know our LoCo teams kick ass 11:37 JoeyStanford I also used the incentive.... "Being the LoCo Team Lead for Education is a great addition to your wiki page to help you become a full Ubuntu Member" 11:37 jono kjcole, cool 11:37 jono JoeyStanford, :) 11:37 jono so yeah, if everyone could look at arranging an edu contact that would be cool 11:38 LoudMouthMan jono .. what do we do to promot Fridge stories to local media , for instance in the uk informing linux user & dev chappies! 11:38 looksaus jono, what exactly is expected from an edu contact? 11:38 jono again, it would be cool to dedicate a loco meeting to education sometime, so we can have a good full discussion 11:38 nixternal jono: you don't want peoples names and numbers up there im guessing? 11:38 Gnomonic Sorry, gotta leave, will read the logs tomorrow. Good night (or whatever applies to your timezone) === Gnomonic [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting  11:38 nixternal at least those contacts might not want their info up there 11:38 jono LoudMouthMan, what do you mean? 11:38 looksaus actively working towards the education sector? 11:38 jono looksaus, the aim is to work with the sector to help ubuntu get used 11:38 nixternal unless of course it is already public 11:38 jono and often advocacy with schools and colleges 11:38 looksaus ok, maybe it would be useful to give some examples there 11:39 looksaus testimonials 11:39 JoeyStanford LoudMouthMan, Excellent Question. 11:39 LoudMouthMan well im off topic a little here .. but id like to ensure that a regular press cycle occurs to maintain press and media awareness of Ubuntu and Locoteam activities. 11:39 jono nixternal, sure, we don't want to show private details, but stats are good where possible 11:39 looksaus a richer "job description" if you want 11:39 jono looksaus, good idea, I think some case studies would be useful there 11:39 LoudMouthMan so if we use the fridge to post excellent news then we should drop a copy to the media some how 11:39 jono LoudMouthMan, exactly 11:39 jono LoudMouthMan, this is part of my aim to get regular stories 11:39 JoeyStanford Jono, we need LMM's topic as a todo. How to release press releases to local media. 11:39 jono maintaining a cycle needs people though 11:40 jono JoeyStanford, yes, could you add it? 11:40 JoeyStanford Free advertising you know :-) 11:40 jono it may be good to have an agenda item in the future about publicising your events too 11:40 JoeyStanford rgr 11:40 jono rgr? 11:40 LoudMouthMan sure .. but I was thinking about it . i'll keep on top of asking people for news and stories and puting them to the fridge .. well for UKteam at least 11:40 nixternal rgr == roger == 10-4 11:40 glennji "Roger"? 11:40 nixternal ;) 11:40 jono LoudMouthMan, cool 11:41 jono maybe each loco could have a press contact? 11:41 jono someone to flow out press info and act as a contact for journalists? 11:41 jono nixternal, ahh! 11:41 elkbuntu i think thats sort of the general contact's job 11:41 elkbuntu other teams may disagree 11:41 looksaus elkbuntu, agree 11:41 jono elkbuntu, possibly, but some lead contacts may not want to be press contact 11:42 LoudMouthMan well let them have the choice .. some roles fill naturually . 11:42 jono this sounds like a mailing list discussion to get ideas 11:42 jono sure 11:42 dthacke1 I'd do it as gc, until the job got too big, the split a press contact 11:42 jono not everyone will want these roles 11:42 elkbuntu fair enough 11:42 jono ok 11:42 jono move on? 11:43 looksaus maybe it's not as much about the roles, but about defining what someone with that responsibility is to do 11:43 JoeyStanford (page updated) 11:43 LoudMouthMan im happy to talk ... ( yeah yeah ) but id look to some one with media experience ( jono , know anyone ? ) to motivate.. but anyway 11:43 LoudMouthMan [TOPIC] 11:43 jono JoeyStanford, thanks :) 11:43 newz2000 :D === LoudMouthMan considers it all a learning experience. 11:43 jono looksaus, and its looking at what people are good at 11:43 jono LoudMouthMan, indeed 11:43 jono ok further ideas 11:44 jono I think we need to think of events and campaigns for the LoCo community as a whole 11:44 jono elkbuntu had the idea of a recruitment drive 11:44 jono which I think is a great idea 11:44 elkbuntu yeah, and that should get some questions asked, for sure 11:44 Plug Advertised where? 11:44 elkbuntu for the faqs 11:44 newz2000 Plug: Ubuntu forums? 11:44 elkbuntu Plug, blogs and fridge woudl help ;) 11:44 LoudMouthMan okay well ive mentioned for the UK we have children in need coming up , so engaging with defined charaties Locally and Internatinally will be useful === elkbuntu erases the winkey before someone notices 11:45 looksaus elkbuntu, curiuous about this recruitment drive 11:45 looksaus idea 11:45 jono yeah 11:45 LoudMouthMan id like to see if we cant get a sponsored install/hack fest day . for Children In Need. 11:45 jono is anyone aware of an events ideas wiki page? 11:45 Plug Right, I wondered if you meant "outside of that" 11:45 jono ok lets first talk about recruitment 11:45 Plug we're about to launch a NZ-package-wallpaper-contest with three goals 11:45 elkbuntu looksaus, we spend a day pimpin locos, guiding people to the locos for their areas they may not have thought existed, etc 11:46 LoudMouthMan things that drag TV Cameras out to watch things occur that are positive is useful 11:46 Plug 1. get a wallpaper package 2. get certified 3. get people to know the LoCo exists, and get involved with it 11:46 LoudMouthMan man that was vague! 11:46 JoeyStanford I'm still a firm believer that while having documentation readily available on the internet is GOOD, it may not be of any benefit to someone who doesn't speak English. Having the LoCo's help create non-English docs is a big deal methinks. 11:46 jono I think it makes sense to have a recruitment day, and this could involve day long meetings on our loco IRC channels, fridge and forums posts and IRC events such as getting to know each other sessions 11:46 dthacke1 is looking for other places to recruit besides the local LUG for reasons previously discussed === JoeyStanford appologizes for injecting an off topic comment. 11:46 jono JoeyStanford, great idea - we could identify key docs and get them translated 11:47 newz2000 JoeyStanford: Good point, do you loco teams search google and others for key phrases to see where they go? 11:47 newz2000 (in your own language) 11:47 jono well should we make a recruitment day our first event? 11:47 LoudMouthMan JoeyStanford , in fact everyone .. whose heard of the BNI ? 11:47 elkbuntu jono, second considering today was docs day : 11:47 jono hehe 11:47 jono elkbuntu, smartarse :P 11:47 JoeyStanford Newz, in my case it's English but I'm also on a translation team so I have some experience working with non-English speaking folks :-) 11:48 elkbuntu i'd rather be a smartarse than a dumbarse ;P === LoudMouthMan only speaks one langauge .. but he does it quite loudly 11:48 jono elkbuntu, oi! 11:48 glennji LoudMouthMan, not me. === nixternal lets it be known that im both 11:48 jono LoudMouthMan, :P === elkbuntu runs and hides behind someone 11:48 jono so maybe we have a LoCo Open Day 11:48 JoeyStanford newz, from my experience, you are correct. Google or Clusty. 11:49 LoudMouthMan okay well if were looking for other areas to promote and recruit then locate your local BNI Chapter ( Business Network international ) and see if you drop in for a breakfast. 11:49 jono where each of the loco team IRC channels has events, maybe physical events where possible and other things 11:49 elkbuntu jono, agreed, i would assume lots of useful documenting would be done on the day, and calling it 'recruitment drive' sounds way too ominous 11:49 JoeyStanford newz, coupled with altavista babelfish ;-) 11:49 Plug ...and get it Slashdotted... 11:49 AdamBagnall and dugg 11:49 glennji jono, speaking as a "newbie" in the country AND ubuntu AND loco, I'd really like an Open Day. 11:49 LoudMouthMan Plug, surely we need to be Dugg ? 11:49 looksaus a nice recruitment activity I did in Belgium (well, the Dutch speaking 60%) was to use all my sources to find at least one person in every >50k inhabitants 11:49 elkbuntu Plug, if you know someone/s who can arrange that, do so 11:49 Plug pass, I don't do digg :P 11:49 jono elkbuntu, ok, I think it would make sense to have a team of us working to get all LoCo's up and running with an Open Day 11:50 yama "Recruitment drive? You mean Canonical is hiring???" === yama prpares his CV :p 11:50 Plug yama: good point 11:50 newz2000 yama: www.ubuntu.com/employment 11:50 jono I think just saying "lets do an Open Day" is not enough to get all LoCo teams involved 11:50 elkbuntu jono, you know i'll be there 11:50 jono elkbuntu, cool :) 11:50 Plug "Whats in it for them"? 11:50 elkbuntu this is going to take a few weeks of plotting 11:50 jono right, well I will send out a mail about the open day === JoeyStanford pokes Jono to let him know he has a further comment on LoCo Support when there is a break. 11:50 jono yes, luckily we can talk at the UDS 11:50 elkbuntu yes, indeed 11:50 elkbuntu who here will be at UDS? 11:51 jono JoeyStanford, sorry? 11:51 JoeyStanford jono: I have a topic change when you are ready === JoeyStanford will be at UDS. 11:51 jono JoeyStanford, oh np, we will finish this up first === looksaus too 11:51 jono awesome, should we have a open day meeting? 11:51 jono we can organise it when we are there 11:51 ajmitch elkbuntu: you know I will be :) 11:52 elkbuntu ajmitch, well yeah, i was hoping to find out things i didnt already know 11:52 elkbuntu jono, yes, agreed 11:52 jono cool, so people happy to make the open day our first major event? 11:53 elkbuntu heck yes 11:53 JoeyStanford Question for the Group: Has anyone developed a "what's in it for me?" list (besides the small bit my team did) for recruitment? 11:53 jono JoeyStanford, no, and that should go in the docs where possible 11:53 elkbuntu JoeyStanford, hmm? 'warm fuzzy feeling' doesnt cut it for some? 11:53 elkbuntu ;) === JoeyStanford pokes the Elk. 11:53 jono we could do with some art for things like that 11:53 Plug solves "Get involved or fuck off" 11:53 elkbuntu Plug, rofl 11:53 JoeyStanford hehe.. Yeah it comes up a lot here. 11:54 jono maybe some standard posters for "reasons to be cheerful" :) 11:54 JoeyStanford Not just why Ubuntu but why a LoCo 11:54 JoeyStanford I'll add it to the Todo list 11:54 jono :) 11:54 elkbuntu rock on, JoeyStanford :) 11:54 jono nice work JoeyStanford :) 11:54 jono ok, any other ideas to bring up right now? 11:55 JoeyStanford me me me 11:55 newz2000 jono: I added two things to the agenda 11:55 newz2000 we can talk about them later if you like 11:55 jono newz2000, my only concern is time, we are nearly out 11:55 jono newz2000, as per the first item, I have been working on that 11:56 jono newz2000, sorry for the delay, been swamped 11:56 jono newz2000, and I got your mail for the second one too 11:56 jono newz2000, there is a session at UDS about standardising resources 11:56 newz2000 no prob, its good to be able to say you're workign on it 11:56 jono newz2000, can I suggest we keep those items for the next meeting? 11:56 newz2000 That is just fine for me. 11:57 jono newz2000, awesome 11:57 jono so, next item folks? 11:57 LoudMouthMan yep 11:57 jono Emil? are you here? 11:57 elkbuntu what is his irc nick? 11:58 jono no idea === dthacke1 .oO(crickets....) 11:58 jono anyone know who Emil is? 11:58 elkbuntu scouring for info now 11:58 newz2000 opi according to launchpad 11:59 jono not here? 11:59 elkbuntu -NickServ- Last Seen: 5 hours 12 minutes 29 seconds ago 11:59 newz2000 opi :No such nick/channel 11:59 jono just pinging 11:59 jono erk 11:59 jono ok, well we can't discuss that without him 11:59 jono so we will defer that too 11:59 jono just before we finish... 11:59 Plug which makes it time for lunch :P 11:59 jono if everyone could look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamsUDSMVSpecs 12:00 jono these are the specs I have added for the UDS that are LoCo related 12:00 jono I am still working on filling them out 12:00 jono if anyone has any thoughts or comments, at them to the pages so we can cover them at the sessions 12:00 jono I will be blogging about it soon to drum up interest in the issues 12:00 Plug I've told ajmitch he must attend all of these. :P 12:00 jono and final, final thing, how is this time for everyone for a meeting? 12:00 jono Plug, :P 12:00 looksaus jono, do you prefer additions as comments to these pages? 12:01 jono looksaus, yes please 12:01 looksaus ok 12:01 jono I should outline that on the page really 12:01 LoudMouthMan okay well i can see a few items in that which Popey would find interesting 12:01 dthacke1 jono, time is not bad. 12:01 newz2000 jono: I'm here 12:01 jono looksaus, well, they can be visible, but identify the comment with your name 12:01 newz2000 dthacke1: we're in the same timezone :) 12:01 looksaus k 12:01 jono we are still finding out feet with meeting times, so lets see what people think 12:02 jono well, I think we are done folks 12:02 elkbuntu :) === JoeyStanford definately likes this time. :-) 12:02 dthacke1 newz2000: hi neighbor, can I borrow a cup of Edgy CD's? 12:02 jono you are doing an awesome job with our community, I am really proud of everyone :) 12:02 jono lets keep kicking arse in new and different ways :) 12:02 LoudMouthMan hmm better hire octopuses then .. they can kick arse 8 ways ! 12:02 elkbuntu we have you to thank though, jono. 12:02 JoeyStanford +1 12:02 jono I think if we continue to grow the project, get our docs written, we can do some awesome stuff :) 12:02 looksaus +1 12:03 LoudMouthMan but cheers Jono 12:03 jono :) 12:03 kjcole I'll try to remember to keep up with this (I got away from all the on-line stuff for a while)... Later all 12:03 newz2000 dthacke1: just burned my first last night! 12:03 jono nice one, thanks folks :) === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@184.108.40.206] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JoeyStanford is now known as Rinchen 12:05 newz2000 dthacke1: where is the nebraska team based? 12:05 newz2000 (where in Nebraska that is) 12:05 Rinchen Good question, I can smell and Colorado and Nebraska shindig 12:05 dthacke1 Omaha for now, I need more help, so I'm going to start recruiting out west. 12:05 jono later all!