20080109
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19:00 MootBot Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is heno. 19:00 MootBot Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] 19:02 heno [TOPIC] Things happening today: Kernel bug day and alpha 3 testing 19:02 MootBot New Topic: Things happening today: Kernel bug day and alpha 3 testing 19:02 heno just FYI really, no need for discussion 19:02 heno unless someone has comments 19:03 bdmurray Should I be testing the daily builds now? If not when? 19:04 bdmurray I can see holding Hug Days and testing daily builds at the same time as being challenging. 19:04 davmor2 lo 19:04 stgraber pong 19:04 heno bdmurray: yes, this will happen regularly 19:04 stgraber sorry, at lug meeting 19:05 heno we've had then on mondays sometimes close to releases 19:05 davmor2 bdmurray: got my vote testing is hectic enough normally 19:05 heno should we consider that as a regular day? 19:06 davmor2 sorry heno for which? 19:07 heno bug days on mondays 19:07 davmor2 right 19:07 heno we can't really move testing 19:07 heno as it's tied to thursday releases 19:07 davmor2 true :) 19:08 bdmurray I think bug days on Mondays is problematic with holidays, timezones and weekends 19:08 pedro_ I'd like to propose Tuesday instead 19:08 pedro_ Monday is for me at least the busiest day of the week where you have to catch up tons of emails from the weekend 19:09 davmor2 Tuesdays sounds good as the majority of testing seems to happen on wednesday's 19:09 bdmurray heno: did the distro team meeting used to be on Tuesdays? 19:09 heno with bug day on tuesday the lists could be prepared monday evening * heno can't remember 19:10 davmor2 sounding like a plan then :)# 19:10 heno so I'm not sure why it's wednesdays 19:10 heno it also clashes with this meeting :) 19:10 heno each week 19:11 liw so Tuesday sounds best? 19:11 heno sounds good, bdmurray? 19:11 davmor2 probably because it keeps getting postponed until Wednesday :) 19:12 davmor2 testing that is :) 19:12 bdmurray heno: that works for me but I'd like to check with the rest of the bugsquad and the marketing team 19:13 heno bdmurray: yep, will you email the lists? 19:13 davmor2 makes sense no point if no-one else can do it :) 19:13 bdmurray I think the first possible Tuesday would be the 29th then 19:13 bdmurray heno: yes 19:14 heno that's fine 19:14 heno are we skipping it the week of the sprint? 19:15 bdmurray That was my assumption but it was an assumption . . . 19:16 heno [AGREED] We may move bug days to tuesdays to reduce conflicts 19:16 MootBot AGREED received: We may move bug days to tuesdays to reduce conflicts 19:16 heno bdmurray: we probably should skip it. we'll be quite busy 19:17 heno [TOPIC] Following up on the target bug list with other teams 19:17 MootBot New Topic: Following up on the target bug list with other teams 19:17 bdmurray I'd be happy to help with the lists before leaving if someone wants to take that on 19:17 heno I intended to attend the platform meeting today but missed it in the end :-/ 19:18 heno bdmurray: perhaps that should go to the bugsquad list as well 19:19 heno we have several active triagers who are not here now 19:20 heno desktop team meeting is tomorrow at 14.00 UTC, but I have a phone meeting then 19:21 heno pedro_: are you on line by then, could you attend? 19:21 pedro_ let me check 19:21 heno you might want to start attending desktop meetings anyway 19:21 heno in the same way ogasawara attends kernel meetings 19:22 pedro_ heno: yep, ok i'll attend to it 19:22 heno of course the gnome packagers are not on the desktop team, but on platform ... 19:22 heno pedro_: thanks 19:23 heno I'll propose the bug list as an agenda item there 19:23 heno [TOPIC] Desktop testing status and a quick 'getting started with dogtail' intro 19:23 MootBot New Topic: Desktop testing status and a quick 'getting started with dogtail' intro 19:24 heno liw has written up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/DogtailTutorial 19:24 heno so everyone can play along at home 19:24 heno with automated desktop testing 19:25 bdmurray Has anyone tested it on Hardy? 19:25 liw the instructions on that page work on gutsy, at least for me; I haven't dared to try hardy yet, and all my attempts at trying them in hardy-inside-qemu result in a broken filesystem on the qemu image; however, I expect they'll work on hardy, too 19:25 heno it failed for me on hardy 19:25 heno in vbox 19:25 heno haven't tried on real hardware 19:26 davmor2 I'll let you know latter I'm just rsyncing my bunch of images :) 19:26 liw nothing in dogtail should be affected by real hardware vs emulation, but then again, that applies to most thigns... 19:26 heno davmor2: that's great, thanks 19:27 davmor2 well it's what test machine were designed for :) 19:27 liw anyway, a more general update: that sample script on the page is how far I've gotten; it's surprisingly much effort to get a dogtail script written, and the recorders in accerciser and dogtail are basically of no use at all, so it's all manual work, and trial-and-error, too 19:28 liw writing the scripts is, in fact, so much effort that I'm not sure it's worth continuing on that path -- it'll take person-weeks of effort to get anything useful for hardy, and then it'll all probably break when the apps change for hardy+1, so they'll have to be updated/rewritten 19:28 heno liw: I promised I would hook you up with the accerciser dev; this seems like a good time for that 19:28 liw I found out today about a new tool called Strongwind (or found out about it again -- someone told me about it during UDS, I think), I'll have a quick look at that tomorrow 19:29 liw strongwind's not packaged for debian or ubuntu, but that should not be a problem 19:29 bdmurray I know who that someone is 19:29 bdmurray What happens with the recorders? 19:30 liw bdmurray, the recorders don't record anything except key presses, when typing into text areas, which are the least interesting part of the script 19:30 heno I could swear we had accerciser recording native scripts in oslo 19:30 liw it may be that I'm just stupid and can't figure out how to use the recorders, of course; if so, help is appreciated 19:30 liw heno, I get the same results now as then, I think, but the results are not useful :( 19:30 heno I failed at it too ladt week, FWIW 19:31 heno ok 19:31 liw that is, the recorder records that I type "hello, world", but fails to record into which widget I do that; it does record the app, though 19:31 heno so, yeah if anyone wants to play with this and add eyeballs that'd be great 19:32 heno liw: did you try macaroon? 19:32 heno it likely has near-identical syntax 19:33 heno (why he doesn't just always use dogtail scripts i don't know) 19:33 liw heno, no, I should try that, too 19:34 heno ok, I think we're done. liw we can talk more about this after the meeting 19:34 liw I forget why I rejected it as an option last year, but given that dogtail isn't looking promising right now, I should look again at all the options 19:34 liw heno, ack 19:34 heno #endmeeting 19:34 MootBot Meeting finished at 19:34.
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