20080402
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Agenda
- Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
- Review high priority bugs related to the Server Team.
Contact for bugsqad team - MathiasGug
Review ["ServerTeam/Roadmap"] and ["ServerTeam/ReportingPage"].
- Agree on next meeting date and time.
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[22:02] <mathiaz> #startmeeting [22:02] <zul> yarr [22:03] <soren> No mootbot? [22:03] <owh> Nope [22:03] <mathiaz> hum... mootbot is still sleeping... [22:03] <owh> I feel the same way :) [22:03] <mathiaz> bon... [22:03] <soren> Well have to live without it. [22:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] # [22:03] <mathiaz> Review ACTION points from previous meeting. [22:03] <mathiaz> last week meeting logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080326 [22:04] <mathiaz> owh: status action init script ? [22:04] <owh> Crap. [22:04] <owh> Yes. No action done. I'll wake up some and action it today. [22:05] <mathiaz> owh: great. [22:05] <owh> My intent is to add the init.d scripts to the existing bug and add that to the debian list. [22:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: I have something to add.... [22:05] <owh> Only so others can have the benefit of them. [22:06] <owh> Bring it on. [22:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: I'm attending the Linux Summit in Austin, TX next week, and there's a track on LSB (Linux Standards Base) which is the ISO standard that describes the init scripts (among many other things) [22:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: I'll take some notes, and I'd like to use some of that to seed a discussion for what we can do for Ubuntu Server in that space, potentially as a UDS Prague topic [22:07] <mathiaz> kirkland: great [22:07] <owh> The more I hear about the future of the init scripts, the more I wonder if there is any point in pursuing our current solution. [22:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'll report back here either next week, or more probably the next with the highlights [22:07] <nealmcb> but knowing what it means for lsb compliance is important - thanks kirkland [22:07] <kirkland> owh: i definitely think there's value in pushing patches to debian [22:07] <mathiaz> owh: well - the futur of init scripts in ubuntu is probably going to upstart integration [22:08] <owh> Are there others that agree with kirkland? [22:08] <mathiaz> owh: I'd say to push current patches, but not develop new ones [22:09] <owh> Is it appropriate to vote on it? [22:09] <owh> I mean, I've done the work, but continuing is going to create work for others. [22:09] <mathiaz> owh: well - that's up to them to accept it or not [22:10] <mathiaz> owh: the patches are there , just send them [22:10] <owh> Will do. [22:10] <mathiaz> owh: and the debian maintainers will decide what they wanna do with it [22:10] <owh> Yup. [22:10] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Wiki pages from help.ubuntu.com [22:11] <mathiaz> sommer: did you have a look at the samba wiki pages ? [22:11] <sommer> yep, I've started updating a few, but haven't gotten that far [22:11] <sommer> should have more time toward the end of the week though [22:12] <sommer> also created a page to link the others by category [22:12] <sommer> it's cruisen [22:13] <mathiaz> sommer: great [22:13] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review high priority bugs related to the Server Team. [22:13] <mathiaz> I haven't had time to compile such a list [22:13] <mathiaz> So anyone has seen of such show-stopper bugs ? [22:14] <sommer> we could focus no the one brought up last week [22:14] <sommer> the ldap boot issue [22:14] <mathiaz> sommer: I think zul and kirkland are working on it [22:14] <nijaba> Not a show stopper, but would be nice to see the MOTD bug fixed... [22:14] <mathiaz> nijaba: I think slangasek is assigned to it [22:14] <sommer> oh, that's cool then [22:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: i am working on it [22:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: i've not been able to precisely reproduce it yet [22:15] <kirkland> but i am actively multitasking on a vm right now on it ;-) [22:15] <nijaba> mathiaz: nope, ubuntu-server-team still is assigned to #159371 [22:16] <mathiaz> nijaba: right [22:17] <soren> Do we assign bugs to the team? [22:17] <mathiaz> soren: no - I don't think it's a good idea [22:17] <soren> Me neither. [22:17] <mathiaz> soren: individual assigment may be better [22:17] <soren> YEah. Otherwise -- somewhat ironically -- noone will do it. [22:18] <nijaba> volunteer? [22:18] <owh> soren: I suppose subscribing a bug to the team makes us aware of it, but to actually fix it needs an individual. [22:18] <soren> owh: Right. That's what almost every other teams does. [22:18] <nealmcb> team effort - I'll do the first byte - a "#" ! [22:19] <nealmcb> who's next? [22:19] <soren> IIRC the kernel team does it differently. [22:19] <mathiaz> nijaba: I'll make the upload [22:19] <nijaba> nealmcb: the debdiff is already there [22:19] <zul> soren: not really [22:19] <soren> I'll bitch and moan about it. [22:19] * nijaba hugs mathiaz [22:20] <mathiaz> apart from the ldap bug, anything else ? [22:20] <mathiaz> I think the postgresql bug in the installer is fixed [22:20] <zul> there are some weird apcahe sigsegv when upgrading from gutsy->hardy on amd64 but Im not sure why nor have the hardware [22:21] <nijaba> there is a stupid bash_completion issue that kees and I stumbled upon [22:21] <soren> bug no.? [22:21] <mathiaz> nijaba: yes - I came across that one too [22:21] <zul> soren: #210569 [22:21] <nijaba> bug #210013 [22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210013 in bash "bash-completion config replacement prompt on upgrade from gutsy to hardy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210013 [22:23] <mathiaz> nijaba: right - it's a problem with the new bash package and handling in ucf [22:23] <mathiaz> nijaba: we have the same issue with samba [22:24] <mathiaz> allright - that's all for high-priority bugs [22:25] <nijaba> also, there is a potential issue with iscsi (see last comment of Bug #192080) not sure soren has seen it. [22:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192080 in open-iscsi "shutdown fails.. nfs" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192080 [22:25] <mathiaz> I'll try to compile a list with the bugs [22:25] <mathiaz> Or at least come up with a way to track them [22:25] <nealmcb> is there a report on bugs with lots of duplicates? [22:25] <soren> nijaba: Yeah, I've seen it. [22:25] <mathiaz> zul: did you go through some of the bug and milestone them ? [22:26] <nijaba> soren: good :) I feel better now ;) [22:26] <mathiaz> nealmcb: not really - the qa team is marking these [22:26] <zul> mathiaz: I did some but I have to continue [22:26] <mathiaz> zul: great - marking bug for the next hardy milestone seems like the way to proceed to keep track of important profile [22:27] <mathiaz> s/profile/bug/ [22:28] <zul> ill move it up my todo list [22:28] <mathiaz> talking about bug triagging, I'd like to mention an email sent by brian murray a few minutes ago [22:28] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Contacts [22:29] <mathiaz> I think we should put one of us as a contact for server related software [22:29] <owh> mathiaz: What about just the bug list email address? [22:30] <nijaba> mathiaz: do we need a dev for this? [22:30] <owh> That would mean more eyeballs. [22:30] <mathiaz> owh: which one do you refer to ? ubuntu-server or ubuntu-server-bugs ? [22:30] <mathiaz> nijaba: no necessarly [22:30] <owh> The latter mathiaz [22:31] <mathiaz> brian mentionned in his email:Our thought was it [22:31] <mathiaz> would be a useful guide of who talk to if you need help debugging a [22:31] <mathiaz> particular package or part of Ubuntu. [22:31] <owh> mathiaz: It means that those who are subscribed - arguably already in the bug business - see a request. [22:31] <mathiaz> owh: it's more about contacting someone in person [22:32] <owh> mathiaz: But I suspect that it will attract specific support requests from individuals, rather than triagers. [22:32] <nijaba> mathiaz: if nobody wants to do it /me raises his hand [22:32] <zul> mathiaz: so like a receptionist? [22:33] <mathiaz> owh: well - I don't know what would be the outcome [22:33] <nijaba> zul: right... [22:33] <zul> for the lack of a better term [22:33] <mathiaz> zul: probably - I don't exactly what brian is up to with this list [22:33] <owh> mathiaz: I figure that the ubuntu-server-bugs is monitored 24/7, individuals sleep. [22:33] <soren> They do? [22:33] <soren> Slackers. [22:33] <soren> :) [22:34] * nijaba now knows that soren *never* sleeps [22:34] <owh> mathiaz: At the moment that address only gets automatic mail, so requests will stick out. [22:34] <mathiaz> But I think we should have a row that says "Server related software" talk to ... [22:34] <owh> soren: We're not talking about you :-) [22:34] <soren> Ah :) [22:34] <mathiaz> owh: yes - u-s-b is only set to receive bugs from LP [22:34] <owh> mathiaz: Talk to the ubuntu-server team. [22:34] <zul> soren: go back to sleep ;) [22:34] <nealmcb> we could refer them to #ubuntu-server [22:35] <owh> Yes, the would also work. [22:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, using a list would change the model from the way it's currently used in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Contacts [22:35] <soren> zul: I don't sleep. I idle or wait or something. [22:35] <owh> nealmcb: Our coverage is a little spotty though. [22:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: right [22:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm not disagreeing, just pointing it out [22:35] <mathiaz> owh: it seems that it's more about individuals [22:35] <mathiaz> owh: this is not for a 24/7 support line [22:35] <nijaba> as we said before: distributed responsability = no responsability [22:36] <nealmcb> owh: true, but less spotty than an individual irc nick [22:36] <zul> I guess if its too much for one person then nijaba and I could do it [22:36] <owh> nijaba: The flip side of that is that one individual gets overwhelmed. [22:36] <owh> nealmcb: Yes. [22:36] <nijaba> owh: we'll talk about it when it happens [22:36] <mathiaz> zul: well - I don't know if it really takes a lot of time [22:36] <owh> Is there a way to identify U-S team members in #U-S? [22:36] <zul> more coverage if people do it [22:36] <zul> er...two people do it [22:37] <mathiaz> I think someone should talk to bdmurray to know what he is up to [22:37] <owh> +1 [22:37] <mathiaz> zul: I'm not sure that coverage is to point of this [22:37] <nijaba> mathiaz: you can action me on that point [22:38] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nijaba to talk to bdmurray to figure out what the BugSquad/Contacts wiki page is about [22:40] <mathiaz> Well - that's all I have for now [22:40] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Any other Business [22:40] <mathiaz> somebody wants to add something ? [22:40] <owh> What happened to the iscsi testing stuff? [22:41] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReportingPage [22:41] <mathiaz> ^^ has a section about it [22:41] <nijaba> limesurvey: Kees found a few sec issue on it. so we'll be waiting for them to be fixed before being able to host it somewhere [22:41] * kirkland waves [22:43] <kirkland> umm, is the meeting still happening? [22:43] <soren> I don't see it. [22:43] <soren> :) [22:43] <mathiaz> yes [22:43] <sommer> I'm still meeting, heh [22:43] <soren> Heh :) [22:43] <mathiaz> just wondering if someone wants to add something [22:43] * nealmcb cheers [22:44] <owh> One moment I'm in a room with 117 people, then 113 of them run away :) [22:44] <soren> nealmcb: Wow, you guys missed the coolest part of the meeting. It as awesome! [22:44] <owh> soren: Was it the bit where you woke up? [22:44] <nealmcb> you all finished up with the ibex? [22:44] <soren> owh: iz sekrit. [22:44] <ajmitch> no, the bit where soren promised to fix all outstanding bugs [22:44] <owh> nealmcb: Release is next week :) [22:45] <zul> you missed it bug #1 was fixed and there was much celebration [22:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [22:45] <ajmitch> zul: thanks to jdong... [22:45] <soren> owh: Not funny. [22:45] <soren> :) [22:45] * owh is sleep deprived. The alarm didn't go off as expected :( [22:46] <mathiaz> so - seems that none has anything else to add [22:46] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] # [22:46] <mathiaz> Agree on next meeting date and time. [22:46] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place ? [22:46] <owh> mathiaz: That can't be right, a meeting that finishes early? [22:46] <owh> mathiaz: WFM, Summer Time is over, now I'm UTC+8 :( [22:46] <nijaba> that's because soren fixed all the bugs... [22:46] <owh> :) [22:48] <owh> Cool, that gives me 14 minutes to complete my action point for this meeting :) [22:48] <dendrobates> bye. [22:48] <mathiaz> ok - next meeting: next week, same time, same place [22:48] <nealmcb> and soren fixed all the bugs because he wasn't interrupted on irc for 2 whole minutes! [22:48] <mathiaz> thanks all for participating [22:48] <mathiaz> and happy beta testing ! [22:48] <nijaba> thanks mathiaz [22:48] <soren> nealmcb: Sounds like a dream :) [22:48] <mathiaz> #endmeeting [22:49] <owh> Thanks for hosting our get together again mathiaz [22:49] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later all [22:49] <owh> Later