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  • Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
  • Review high priority bugs related to the Server Team.
  • Contact for bugsqad team - MathiasGug

  • Review ["ServerTeam/Roadmap"] and ["ServerTeam/ReportingPage"].

  • Agree on next meeting date and time.



[22:02] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[22:02] <zul> yarr
[22:03] <soren> No mootbot?
[22:03] <owh> Nope
[22:03] <mathiaz> hum... mootbot is still sleeping...
[22:03] <owh> I feel the same way :)
[22:03] <mathiaz> bon...
[22:03] <soren> Well have to live without it.
[22:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] #
[22:03] <mathiaz> Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
[22:03] <mathiaz> last week meeting logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080326
[22:04] <mathiaz> owh: status action init script ?
[22:04] <owh> Crap.
[22:04] <owh> Yes. No action done. I'll wake up some and action it today.
[22:05] <mathiaz> owh: great.
[22:05] <owh> My intent is to add the init.d scripts to the existing bug and add that to the debian list.
[22:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: I have something to add....
[22:05] <owh> Only so others can have the benefit of them.
[22:06] <owh> Bring it on.
[22:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: I'm attending the Linux Summit in Austin, TX next week, and there's a track on LSB (Linux Standards Base) which is the ISO standard that describes the init scripts (among many other things)
[22:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: I'll take some notes, and I'd like to use some of that to seed a discussion for what we can do for Ubuntu Server in that space, potentially as a UDS Prague topic
[22:07] <mathiaz> kirkland: great
[22:07] <owh> The more I hear about the future of the init scripts, the more I wonder if there is any point in pursuing our current solution.
[22:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'll report back here either next week, or more probably the next with the highlights
[22:07] <nealmcb> but knowing what it means for lsb compliance is important - thanks kirkland
[22:07] <kirkland> owh: i definitely think there's value in pushing patches to debian
[22:07] <mathiaz> owh: well - the futur of init scripts in ubuntu is probably going to upstart integration
[22:08] <owh> Are there others that agree with kirkland?
[22:08] <mathiaz> owh: I'd say to push current patches, but not develop new ones
[22:09] <owh> Is it appropriate to vote on it?
[22:09] <owh> I mean, I've done the work, but continuing is going to create work for others.
[22:09] <mathiaz> owh: well - that's up to them to accept it or not
[22:10] <mathiaz> owh: the patches are there , just send them
[22:10] <owh> Will do.
[22:10] <mathiaz> owh: and the debian maintainers will decide what they wanna do with it
[22:10] <owh> Yup.
[22:10] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Wiki pages from help.ubuntu.com
[22:11] <mathiaz> sommer: did you have a look at the samba wiki pages ?
[22:11] <sommer> yep, I've started updating a few, but haven't gotten that far
[22:11] <sommer> should have more time toward the end of the week though
[22:12] <sommer> also created a page to link the others by category
[22:12] <sommer> it's cruisen
[22:13] <mathiaz> sommer: great
[22:13] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review high priority bugs related to the Server Team.
[22:13] <mathiaz> I haven't had time to compile such a list
[22:13] <mathiaz> So anyone has seen of such show-stopper bugs ?
[22:14] <sommer> we could focus no the one brought up last week
[22:14] <sommer> the ldap boot issue
[22:14] <mathiaz> sommer: I think zul and kirkland are working on it
[22:14] <nijaba> Not a show stopper, but would be nice to see the MOTD bug fixed...
[22:14] <mathiaz> nijaba: I think slangasek is assigned to it
[22:14] <sommer> oh, that's cool then
[22:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: i am working on it
[22:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: i've not been able to precisely reproduce it yet
[22:15] <kirkland> but i am actively multitasking on a vm right now on it ;-)
[22:15] <nijaba> mathiaz: nope, ubuntu-server-team still is assigned to #159371
[22:16] <mathiaz> nijaba: right
[22:17] <soren> Do we assign bugs to the team?
[22:17] <mathiaz> soren: no - I don't think it's a good idea
[22:17] <soren> Me neither.
[22:17] <mathiaz> soren: individual assigment may be better
[22:17] <soren> YEah. Otherwise -- somewhat ironically -- noone will do it.
[22:18] <nijaba> volunteer?
[22:18] <owh> soren: I suppose subscribing a bug to the team makes us aware of it, but to actually fix it needs an individual.
[22:18] <soren> owh: Right. That's what almost every other teams does.
[22:18] <nealmcb> team effort - I'll do the first byte - a "#" !
[22:19] <nealmcb> who's next?
[22:19] <soren> IIRC the kernel team does it differently.
[22:19] <mathiaz> nijaba: I'll make the upload
[22:19] <nijaba> nealmcb: the debdiff is already there
[22:19] <zul> soren: not really
[22:19] <soren> I'll bitch and moan about it.
[22:19]  * nijaba hugs mathiaz
[22:20] <mathiaz> apart from the ldap bug, anything else ?
[22:20] <mathiaz> I think the postgresql bug in the installer is fixed
[22:20] <zul> there are some weird apcahe sigsegv when upgrading from gutsy->hardy on amd64 but Im not sure why nor have the hardware
[22:21] <nijaba> there is a stupid bash_completion issue that kees and I stumbled upon
[22:21] <soren> bug no.?
[22:21] <mathiaz> nijaba: yes - I came across that one too
[22:21] <zul> soren: #210569
[22:21] <nijaba> bug #210013
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210013 in bash "bash-completion config replacement prompt on upgrade from gutsy to hardy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210013
[22:23] <mathiaz> nijaba: right - it's a problem with the new bash package and handling in ucf
[22:23] <mathiaz> nijaba: we have the same issue with samba
[22:24] <mathiaz> allright - that's all for high-priority bugs
[22:25] <nijaba> also, there is a potential issue with iscsi (see last comment of Bug #192080) not sure soren has seen it.
[22:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192080 in open-iscsi "shutdown fails.. nfs" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192080
[22:25] <mathiaz> I'll try to compile a list with the bugs
[22:25] <mathiaz> Or at least come up with a way to track them
[22:25] <nealmcb> is there a report on bugs with lots of duplicates?
[22:25] <soren> nijaba: Yeah, I've seen it.
[22:25] <mathiaz> zul: did you go through some of the bug and milestone them ?
[22:26] <nijaba> soren: good :)  I feel better now ;)
[22:26] <mathiaz> nealmcb: not really - the qa team is marking these
[22:26] <zul> mathiaz: I did some but I have to continue
[22:26] <mathiaz> zul: great - marking bug for the next hardy milestone seems like the way to proceed to keep track of important profile
[22:27] <mathiaz> s/profile/bug/
[22:28] <zul> ill move it up my todo list
[22:28] <mathiaz> talking about bug triagging, I'd like to mention an email sent by brian murray a few minutes ago
[22:28] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Contacts
[22:29] <mathiaz> I think we should put one of us as a contact for server related software
[22:29] <owh> mathiaz: What about just the bug list email address?
[22:30] <nijaba> mathiaz: do we need a dev for this?
[22:30] <owh> That would mean more eyeballs.
[22:30] <mathiaz> owh: which one do you refer to ? ubuntu-server or ubuntu-server-bugs ?
[22:30] <mathiaz> nijaba: no necessarly
[22:30] <owh> The latter mathiaz
[22:31] <mathiaz> brian mentionned in his email:Our thought was it
[22:31] <mathiaz> would be a useful guide of who talk to if you need help debugging a
[22:31] <mathiaz> particular package or part of Ubuntu.
[22:31] <owh> mathiaz: It means that those who are subscribed - arguably already in the bug business - see a request.
[22:31] <mathiaz> owh: it's more about contacting someone in person
[22:32] <owh> mathiaz: But I suspect that it will attract specific support requests from individuals, rather than triagers.
[22:32] <nijaba> mathiaz: if nobody wants to do it /me raises his hand
[22:32] <zul> mathiaz: so like a receptionist?
[22:33] <mathiaz> owh: well - I don't know what would be the outcome
[22:33] <nijaba> zul: right...
[22:33] <zul> for the lack of a better term
[22:33] <mathiaz> zul: probably - I don't exactly what brian is up to with this list
[22:33] <owh> mathiaz: I figure that the ubuntu-server-bugs is monitored 24/7, individuals sleep.
[22:33] <soren> They do?
[22:33] <soren> Slackers.
[22:33] <soren> :)
[22:34]  * nijaba now knows that soren *never* sleeps
[22:34] <owh> mathiaz: At the moment that address only gets automatic mail, so requests will stick out.
[22:34] <mathiaz> But I think we should have a row that says "Server related software" talk to ...
[22:34] <owh> soren: We're not talking about you :-)
[22:34] <soren> Ah :)
[22:34] <mathiaz> owh: yes - u-s-b is only set to receive bugs from LP
[22:34] <owh> mathiaz: Talk to the ubuntu-server team.
[22:34] <zul> soren: go back to sleep ;)
[22:34] <nealmcb> we could refer them to #ubuntu-server
[22:35] <owh> Yes, the would also work.
[22:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, using a list would change the model from the way it's currently used in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Contacts
[22:35] <soren> zul: I don't sleep. I idle or wait or something.
[22:35] <owh> nealmcb: Our coverage is a little spotty though.
[22:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: right
[22:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm not disagreeing, just pointing it out
[22:35] <mathiaz> owh: it seems that it's more about individuals
[22:35] <mathiaz> owh: this is not for a 24/7 support line
[22:35] <nijaba> as we said before: distributed responsability = no responsability
[22:36] <nealmcb> owh: true, but less spotty than an individual irc nick
[22:36] <zul> I guess if its too much for one person then nijaba and I could do it
[22:36] <owh> nijaba: The flip side of that is that one individual gets overwhelmed.
[22:36] <owh> nealmcb: Yes.
[22:36] <nijaba> owh: we'll talk about it when it happens
[22:36] <mathiaz> zul: well - I don't know if it really takes a lot of time
[22:36] <owh> Is there a way to identify U-S team members in #U-S?
[22:36] <zul> more coverage if people do it
[22:36] <zul> er...two people do it
[22:37] <mathiaz> I think someone should talk to bdmurray to know what he is up to
[22:37] <owh> +1
[22:37] <mathiaz> zul: I'm not sure that coverage is to point of this
[22:37] <nijaba> mathiaz: you can action me on that point
[22:38] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nijaba to talk to bdmurray to figure out what the BugSquad/Contacts wiki page is about
[22:40] <mathiaz> Well - that's all I have for now
[22:40] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Any other Business
[22:40] <mathiaz> somebody wants to add something ?
[22:40] <owh> What happened to the iscsi testing stuff?
[22:41] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReportingPage
[22:41] <mathiaz> ^^ has a section about it
[22:41] <nijaba> limesurvey: Kees found a few sec issue on it. so we'll be waiting for them to be fixed before being able to host it somewhere
[22:41]  * kirkland waves
[22:43] <kirkland> umm, is the meeting still happening?
[22:43] <soren> I don't see it.
[22:43] <soren> :)
[22:43] <mathiaz> yes
[22:43] <sommer> I'm still meeting, heh
[22:43] <soren> Heh :)
[22:43] <mathiaz> just wondering if someone wants to add  something
[22:43]  * nealmcb cheers
[22:44] <owh> One moment I'm in a room with 117 people, then 113 of them run away :)
[22:44] <soren> nealmcb: Wow, you guys missed the coolest part of the meeting. It as awesome!
[22:44] <owh> soren: Was it the bit where you woke up?
[22:44] <nealmcb> you all finished up with the ibex?
[22:44] <soren> owh: iz sekrit.
[22:44] <ajmitch> no, the bit where soren promised to fix all outstanding bugs
[22:44] <owh> nealmcb: Release is next week :)
[22:45] <zul> you missed it bug #1 was fixed and there was much celebration
[22:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[22:45] <ajmitch> zul: thanks to jdong...
[22:45] <soren> owh: Not funny.
[22:45] <soren> :)
[22:45]  * owh is sleep deprived. The alarm didn't go off as expected :(
[22:46] <mathiaz> so - seems that none has anything else to add
[22:46] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] #
[22:46] <mathiaz> Agree on next meeting date and time.
[22:46] <mathiaz> next week, same time, same place ?
[22:46] <owh> mathiaz: That can't be right, a meeting that finishes early?
[22:46] <owh> mathiaz: WFM, Summer Time is over, now I'm UTC+8 :(
[22:46] <nijaba> that's because soren fixed all the bugs...
[22:46] <owh> :)
[22:48] <owh> Cool, that gives me 14 minutes to complete my action point for this meeting :)
[22:48] <dendrobates> bye.
[22:48] <mathiaz> ok - next meeting: next week, same time, same place
[22:48] <nealmcb> and soren fixed all the bugs because he wasn't interrupted on irc for 2 whole minutes!
[22:48] <mathiaz> thanks all for participating
[22:48] <mathiaz> and happy beta testing !
[22:48] <nijaba> thanks mathiaz
[22:48] <soren> nealmcb: Sounds like a dream :)
[22:48] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[22:49] <owh> Thanks for hosting our get together again mathiaz
[22:49] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later all
[22:49] <owh> Later