20080923

Agenda

Items we will be discussing:

  • Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
  • Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap.

  • Open Discussion.
  • Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

Ubuntu vm builder

soren published a post about his work on the vm-builder package. nijaba is working on updating his JeOS tutorial to use vm-builder. sommer mentioned that he planned to add a note about xen support in the virtulization section of the Ubuntu Server Guide.

ACTION: sommer to update the virtulization section with a reference to xen in vm-builder

Review ServerGuide for Intrepid

kirkland reviewed the RAID section of the Server Guide. A section about tomcat has also been added based on the work from Koon. sommer asked what the security question in the installer was exactly doing. No one had a definite answer.

ACTION: mathiaz to review the ldap section of the server guide

ACTION: sommer to look into the security updates part of the installer to figure out what it does exactly and document it

nagios3 in main

Koon hadn't had time to ask an archive admin to look into the issue. mathiaz suggested to file a bug explaining why nagios3 didn't need a MIR and ask ubuntu-mir to approve it. Once done, the server-ship seed can be fixed.

ACTION: Koon to file a bug explaining the state of nagios3, subscribe ubuntu-mir to it and get approved

ACTION: mathiaz to update the server-ship to use nagios3 instead of nagios2

Beta Freeze

mathiaz reminded that BetaFreeze is coming this Thursday in preparation for the Release of 8.10 Beta next week. Helping out with iso testing is welcomed. Coordination is done in #ubuntu-testing and on the Iso testing tracker.

Ubuntu Server survey

nijaba announced that the Ubuntu Server was ready to be launched on Wednesday, September the 24th. Canonical will issue a press release and the Ubuntu marketing team should help to get the word out.

Ebox

wst reported that ebox is currently broken in intrepid. mathiaz pointed him to the ebox PPA.

Encrypted directory install step during the server install

kirkland mentioned the ongoing thread on the ubuntu-server@ mailing list about the usefulness of the Encrypted directories setup step in the server install. Discussion is still going on and feedback is welcomed.

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, September 30th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[16:02] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02]  * nealmcb cheers for mootbot
[16:02] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080916
[16:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu vm builder
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu vm builder
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: how is it going ?
[16:03] <soren> Good, thank you.
[16:03] <soren> :)
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: awesome - ready for the next phase ?
[16:03] <soren> Err... I honestly don't remember what changed since last week.
[16:03] <mathiaz> soren: have you written a blog post ?
[16:04] <soren> Yeah. I've finally posted the blog thing, so with a bit of luck, the bug reports should start trickling in now.
[16:05] <mathiaz> nijaba: what about the tutorial ?
[16:05] <mathiaz> sommer: have you looked at the virtualization section update ?
[16:05] <sommer> mathiaz: should be pretty much good to go
[16:06] <sommer> mathiaz: after soren's blog, it needs something about xen though
[16:06] <sommer> at least a wink and a nod :)
[16:06] <mathiaz> sommer: excellent.
[16:06] <nijaba> mathiaz: I have not have time to move a lot on it while at VMworld, but I have worked a bit on VMbuilder so that missing functions that I need are now there
[16:07] <mathiaz> nijaba: great - so you consider it feature equivalent to ubuntu-vm-builder ?
[16:07] <mathiaz> soren: ^^ ?
[16:07] <nijaba> mathiaz: I need to do a final check, but yes, I beleive it will be
[16:08] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to update the virtulization section with a reference to xen in vm-builder
[16:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer to update the virtulization section with a reference to xen in vm-builder
[16:09] <soren> mathiaz: It still neeeds a few things, but it will be really soon.
[16:09] <nijaba> mathiaz: Soren was also talking about providing a wrapper to uvb to call the new one seemlessly
[16:09] <soren> Right.
[16:10] <mathiaz> ok - anything else to add on vm-builder ?
[16:11] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on
[16:11] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ServerGuide for Intrepid
[16:11] <mathiaz> kirkland: reviewed the RAID section ?
[16:11] <sommer> yeppers
[16:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: return true;
[16:11] <mathiaz> Koon: what about tomcat ?
[16:11] <mathiaz> sommer: and I still haven't looked at the ldap section
[16:12] <Koon> section drafted, reviewed and uploaded by sommer
[16:12] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to review the ldap section of the server guide
[16:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to review the ldap section of the server guide
[16:12]  * soren apologises for keeping people waiting. I had a knock on the door :(
[16:12] <mathiaz> sommer: anything else on the documentation front ?
[16:12] <sommer> I think things are pretty much good to go
[16:12] <sommer> had a question about the automatic security updates?
[16:13] <sommer> does that use cron, unattended-upgrades?
[16:13] <mathiaz> sommer: I think it installs unattended-upgrade
[16:14] <sommer> mathiaz: I didn't see it during my testing
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: not sure though.
[16:14] <nijaba> sommer: yes it does
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: you could ask the installer team about it
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: or look at the code
[16:15] <sommer> mathiaz: where is the code?
[16:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you remember the name of the component in d-i ?
[16:15] <nijaba> sommer: all of it is in the cron it install, IIRC
[16:15] <sommer> cause I'm pretty sure I selected automatic security updates, and didn't see unattended-upgrades installed
[16:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's the same one that deals with landscape-client
[16:16] <sommer> nijaba: ah, I might be looking in the wrong place then
[16:16] <nijaba> sommer: then that sounds like a non working feature
[16:16] <nijaba> because I believe u-a should be installed as a result
[16:17] <sommer> nijaba: that's cool, I'll update the installation section to that affect
[16:17] <mathiaz> sommer: I can't find it anymore
[16:17] <sommer> mathiaz: no problem I can do some digging later
[16:17] <mathiaz> sommer: I'd go to #ubuntu-installer and ask about it there
[16:18] <kirkland> mathiaz: pkgsel
[16:18] <sommer> mathiaz: will do
[16:19] <mathiaz> sommer: ^^ pkgsel
[16:19] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you have branch url somewhere ?
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: ??? apt-get source pkgsel
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgsel/ubuntu
[16:20] <mathiaz> kirkland: ah right - I'm always looking at the bzr branch :D
[16:20] <mathiaz> sommer: anyway - there is good chance you'll find the code above ^^
[16:20] <mathiaz> sommer: anything else for the documentation ?
[16:21] <sommer> mathiaz: I think that's it
[16:21] <kirkland> sommer: if you do find a bug, file it against pkgsel and subscribe me
[16:21] <sommer> kirkland: okay
[16:22] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer to look into the security updates part of the installer to figure out what it does exactly and document it
[16:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer to look into the security updates part of the installer to figure out what it does exactly and document it
[16:22] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:22] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] nagios3 in main
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  nagios3 in main
[16:22] <mathiaz> Koon: ^ ?
[16:23] <Koon> mathiaz: no good so far, had trouble getting a hold on archive admins. nijaba resent a mail recently
[16:23] <Koon> MIR/archive-fixing work is less priority than Ffe processing at that point
[16:24] <Koon> if nobody moves on the email, i'll ping them tomorrow
[16:24] <mathiaz> Koon: have you checked if nagios3 was seeded somewhere ?
[16:24] <Koon> mathiaz: it's not. nagios2 is still in server-ship
[16:24] <mathiaz> Koon: right - so we need to fix that.
[16:25] <Koon> mathiaz: in which order ?
[16:25] <mathiaz> Koon: IIRC we came to the conclusion that we wouldn't need a MIR for nagios3.
[16:25] <Koon> so we can just fix the seed ?
[16:25] <mathiaz> Koon: well - that step 5 according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[16:26] <mathiaz> Koon: step 6 is when the archive admin actually does the move from universe to main
[16:26] <Koon> mathiaz: ok, so someone with powerz[tm] needs to fix the seed to do s/nagios2/nagios3
[16:27] <mathiaz> Koon: ok - I can do that
[16:27] <Koon> (there still is the problem with hardy but that's outside the scope of this agenda item)
[16:27] <mathiaz> Koon: I think we should still file a bug explaining why nagios3 doesn't need a MIR
[16:27]  * mathiaz nods
[16:27] <Koon> mathiaz: i can do that
[16:27] <mathiaz> Koon: and point to the MIR for nagios2
[16:28] <Koon> (tomorrow)
[16:28] <mathiaz> Koon: great - once done ping pitti or doko so that can approve the bug
[16:28] <mathiaz> Koon: so that the archive admin can process the bug quickly
[16:29] <mathiaz> Koon: once you've filed the bug I'll update the seed.
[16:29] <mathiaz> [ACTION] Koon to file a bug explaining the state of nagios3, subscribe ubuntu-mir to it and get approved
[16:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Koon to file a bug explaining the state of nagios3, subscribe ubuntu-mir to it and get approved
[16:29] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to update the server-ship to use nagios3 instead of nagios2
[16:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to update the server-ship to use nagios3 instead of nagios2
[16:30] <mathiaz> Anything else from last week meeting ?
[16:32] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Beta Freeze
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Beta Freeze
[16:32] <mathiaz> As you may know we're preparing for the Beta release of intrepid
[16:32] <mathiaz> that is schedule for Thursday next week
[16:32] <mathiaz> so we'll enter Beta Freeze this thursday
[16:33] <mathiaz> That means iso testing will be more than welcomed
[16:34] <mathiaz> #ubuntu-testing is the place to hang out to follow the daily builds
[16:34] <mathiaz> The testing team will probably use a two phase approach:
[16:34] <mathiaz> with the first batch of isos produced this week used for smoke testing
[16:35] <mathiaz> and then another batch of isos produced early next week
[16:36] <nxvl> mathiaz: do we have bugs milestoned for beta?
[16:38] <mathiaz> nxvl: yes - but I don't find the url right now
[16:39] <mathiaz> nxvl: I'll ask aroung and put the url in the minutes
[16:39] <nxvl> ok
[16:39] <nxvl> :D
[16:39] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[16:40] <mathiaz> something to add ?
[16:40] <zul> mathiaz: ill poke slangasek about that patch for samba 3.2.4 today
[16:40] <nijaba> Server survey should be up by tomorrow
[16:40] <wst> ebox is completely broken in intrepid
[16:40] <wst> are there any plans to fix that?
[16:40] <mathiaz> wst: have you tried to version from the ebox-dev ppa ?
[16:41] <wst> no will do that
[16:41] <mathiaz> nijaba: are you in touch with the marketing team ?
[16:41] <mathiaz> nijaba: is the launch plan up-to-date ?
[16:42] <nijaba> mathiaz: a bit, was about to send them an announce.
[16:42] <mathiaz> wst: great - foolano asked for sponsoring of ebox into universe
[16:42] <mathiaz> wst: IIRC he was uploading the package to a PPA
[16:42] <nijaba> mathiaz: yes, the plan is up to date, AFAIK and Canonical is issuing a press release
[16:43] <mathiaz> zul: great - keep in mind that Thursday is Beta Freeze
[16:43] <foolano> mathiaz: yep, they are in our PPA. I have to run some automatic tests to see if there's any issue with the latest uploads
[16:43] <zul> mathiaz: yep
[16:43] <mathiaz> zul: but it's not a big issue if 3.2.4 gets in after Beta
[16:43] <mathiaz> foolano: do you have url for the PPA ?
[16:43] <zul> mathiaz: its --><-- this close
[16:44] <wst> just found it launchpad.net/~ebox-unstable
[16:44] <foolano> that's it
[16:45] <mathiaz> wst: foolano: great - could you report if things are working correctly ?
[16:45] <foolano> sure, i'm gonna run the tests right away
[16:46] <mathiaz> Anything else to add ?
[16:47] <wst> will try, never used ebox before actually but will see what happens
[16:48] <sommer> foolano: I just started getting into the ebox code, but if there's anything I can do to help, feel free to ping me
[16:50] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:50] <nealmcb> I finally posted minutes from the server team meeting a few weeks ago, fwiw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080819
[16:51] <mathiaz> nealmcb: great ! Did you send them to the ubuntu-server@ ml ?
[16:51] <nealmcb> nice to see mootbot back - good to have a friend :)
[16:51] <nealmcb> mathiaz: time has moved on... but if you think it would be helpful
[16:51] <foolano> sommer: thanks, I'm writing a new tutorial, more like a step-by-step guide
[16:52] <mathiaz> nealmcb: true - at least it's on the wiki page.
[16:52] <nealmcb> yup
[16:52] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I may push them to the server blog though
[16:52] <nealmcb> nothing seems to still be useful for a current topic.  that sounds good
[16:52] <nealmcb> helps to have the history anyway
[16:53]  * mathiaz nods
[16:53] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:54] <mathiaz> same time, same place, next week ?
[16:54] <sommer> sure
[16:54] <kirkland> mathiaz: can i add one thing?
[16:54] <mathiaz> kirkland: sure
[16:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: thought it might be worth mentioning that you posted a poll last week to ubuntu-server@ ML
[16:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - I haven't set up a pool in LP
[16:55] <kirkland> mathiaz: no, but you asked for feedback on the ML
[16:55] <mathiaz> kirkland: but send out a request for feedback for the encrypted directory step in the installer
[16:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you want to add something in the meeting ?
[16:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: we may run out of time
[16:56] <kirkland> mathiaz: oh, sorry, just "vote!"
[16:56] <kirkland> ;-)
[16:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: It seems that discussion is still going on the ml
[16:57] <kirkland> that's all
[16:58] <mathiaz> great - so see you all next week
[16:58] <mathiaz> same time, same place
[16:58] <nealmcb> thanks!
[16:58] <mathiaz> thanks for coming and happy beta testing !
[16:58] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:59.

MeetingLogs/Server/20080923 (last edited 2008-09-24 19:20:08 by mathiaz)