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[16:01] <mathiaz> welcome to another meeting of the Server Team!
[16:02] <mathiaz> Today's amazing and exciting agenda can be found online at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
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[16:03] <mathiaz> Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081118
[16:03] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Server FAQ
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server FAQ
[16:03] <mathiaz> most of the questions have been updated
[16:03] <mathiaz> there is only one left: the RAID question
[16:03] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's all yours :D
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[16:04] <kirkland> mathiaz: sweet, i've been saving the best for last
[16:04] <mathiaz> I've also added an item to the Roadmap to cover the ServerFaq update
[16:04] <mathiaz> kirkland: excellent!
[16:05] <mathiaz> [ACTION] kirkland to review the RAID related questions
[16:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to review the RAID related questions
[16:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm editing it now :-)
[16:05] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Jaunty specs
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jaunty specs
[16:05] <mathiaz> dendrobates: what's the status on these?
[16:06] <dendrobates> mathiaz: going along well. but I have a request.
[16:06] <dendrobates> mathiaz: in the future, when creating a spec do not put the release in the name.  i.e  Hardy identity management.
[16:07] <dendrobates> Right now we have more specs than sessions, and I am trying to glob some of them together.
[16:07] <soren> dendrobates: I see your point if the spec in question gets deferred.
[16:07] <soren> However..
[16:07] <soren> If there's going to be more work put into a particular area, how should we name the next iteration?
[16:08] <soren> identity-management-plus-plus? :)
[16:08] <soren> ...or are you trying to solve a different problem, perhaps?
[16:08] <dendrobates> soren:  identity management is really too broad anyway.  We need more precise names.
[16:08] <soren> Point.
[16:09] <dendrobates> soren: I think that the current method of mapping specs to uds sessions is not working well.
[16:09] <mathiaz> dendrobates: is there more time to register blueprints?
[16:10] <mathiaz> dendrobates: or is the schedule for UDS already completed?
[16:10] <dendrobates> if you do so in the next 4 hours.
[16:10] <dendrobates> I am still creating umbrella specs so we can fit all the discussions in, so I will accept last minute additions.
[16:11] <mathiaz> dendrobates: ok.
[16:11] <mathiaz> A reminder: register a blueprint, set dendrobates as the approver and target the spec for jaunty
[16:12] <mathiaz> that way it will show up on the list of specs considered for the next UDS
[16:12] <mathiaz> if the ubuntu-server team is subsribed it's even better!
[16:12] <dendrobates> mathiaz: it also saves me time if you propose it for the Jaunty UDS as well.
[16:13] <nealmcb> dendrobates: is the list of specs currently proposed visible to us, or just you?
[16:13]  * nealmcb remembers that in the past it has not been visible to mere mortals
[16:14] <dendrobates> nealmcb: if your launchpad fu is good I'm sure they are available, but the way I see them is through the UDS planning page.
[16:14] <dendrobates> nealmcb: if I finish today , I can send out a tentative agenda.
[16:14] <kirkland> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-jaunty
[16:15] <kirkland> ^ all proposed for Jaunty, right now
[16:15] <kirkland> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server
[16:15] <dendrobates> kirkland: that does not mean they are scheduled though.
[16:15] <kirkland> ^ blueprints subscribing ubuntu-server
[16:15] <kirkland> dendrobates: understood, nealmcb asked for "list of specs currently proposed"
[16:16] <nealmcb> kirkland: excellent - they fixed my bug :)
[16:16] <kirkland> these are the two links i've been using as a were-mortal
[16:17] <kirkland> mere-mortal
[16:17] <kirkland> though, a were(wolf)-mortal does sound like fun
[16:17] <mathiaz> dendrobates: is there a publicly available version of the UDS schedule?
[16:18] <dendrobates> mathiaz: not that I know of, but we can put ours on the server blog when I finish.
[16:18] <nealmcb> dendrobates: that would be great
[16:19] <mathiaz> dendrobates: ok. Even if there may be some last minute changes, it would be great to have the schedule available soon
[16:19] <mathiaz> dendrobates: to make a blog post for example.
[16:19] <dendrobates> as usual, I will buy any server team member a beer if they find me at UDS.
[16:19] <dendrobates> mathiaz: Today for sure.
[16:20]  * soren makes  note of that
[16:20] <mathiaz> dendrobates: today? awesome!
[16:20]  * Koon cries.
[16:20]  * kirkland will take dendrobates up on that one :-)
[16:20] <mathiaz> dendrobates: is there a limit on the number of beers per members?
[16:21] <Koon> I'll also buy any server team member a beer if they can find me at UDS.
[16:21] <dendrobates> I meant community members, but I'll make an exception.
[16:21] <dholbach> I sponsored a bunch of packages of server team members - does that make me a server team member too? ;-)
[16:21]  * ScottK regrets he won't be there this time.
[16:21] <dendrobates> dholbach: of course!
[16:21] <dholbach> yoohoo!
[16:21]  * dholbach hugs y'all
[16:21]  * mathiaz reminds that being a member of the ubuntu-server team only requires to be subscribed to the ubuntu-server mailing list
[16:22]  * dholbach uses the opportunity to plug http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[16:22] <kirkland> Koon: :-P
[16:22] <kirkland> Koon: ScottK: bummer, dudes!
[16:23] <nealmcb> Koon: lol
[16:24] <Koon> nealmcb: I only play when I can't lose.
[16:24] <nxvl> Koon: you will buy me a beer?
[16:24] <nxvl> dendrobates: you too?
[16:24] <zul> Koon: you are skipping out because you need to buy me a beer
[16:24] <mathiaz> ok - is there anything else related to Jaunty specs and UDS?
[16:24] <Koon> nxvl: if you can find me at UDS next month, yes :)
[16:24]  * nealmcb plans to "find koon" via google at uds
[16:24] <nxvl> Koon: remember i do know you
[16:25] <dendrobates> nxvl: Koon will be in France, so it will be hard to collect.
[16:25] <nxvl> :(
[16:25] <dendrobates> the kicker is I get the choose the beer.
[16:26] <zul> dendrobates: so the watered down american beer?
[16:26] <ScottK> Careful.  He's from St. Louis.
[16:26] <nxvl> i'm from peru, i can play that game
[16:26] <nxvl> :D
[16:26] <dendrobates> mmmm, Busch beer.
[16:26] <nxvl> we drink weird stuff
[16:26]  * ScottK has been to Peru and can attest to that.
[16:26]  * Daviey remembers nxvl bottle of yuk
[16:26] <kirkland> :-D
[16:27] <nxvl> Daviey: plz! that was pisco, that's normal
[16:27] <nxvl> Daviey: you don't want to try to weird stuff
[16:27] <Daviey> :)
[16:27] <kirkland> -> the #beer-server team
[16:27]  * ScottK brought back Pisco when he was there.  
[16:27] <nealmcb> I see ebox on the server team spec list (from boston), but haven't yet spotted something for gui server admin on the jaunty list - is there something related to that already?
[16:27] <ScottK> I understand it's not exported any more or something.
[16:28]  * Koon cheers mathiaz, who desperately tries to keep the meeting on topic :)
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> nxvl: give them "7 raices" or "rompe calzon" :P lol
[16:28] <ScottK> What topic are we on?  I came in late.
[16:28] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on as we drifting from the current subject
[16:28] <nxvl> RoAkSoAx: plz! aguarras!
[16:28] <mathiaz> The topic is Jaunty specs and UDS
[16:29] <ScottK> I intend to work on automating postfix-amavisd-new-clamav-spamassassin setup.
[16:29] <mathiaz> nealmcb: dendrobates anything related to server gui?
[16:29] <nealmcb> a good set of server gui links is at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/68/
[16:29] <ScottK> As we discussed before.
[16:29] <ScottK> I can write a spec for that if you want?
[16:29] <nealmcb> but it all still needs updating I'm sure, given augeas progress
[16:30] <dendrobates> mathiaz: yes there will be a discussion of the configuration framework to be used by any =mgt front end.
[16:31] <mathiaz> ScottK: is this the spec using fai as the way to setup the system?
[16:31] <dendrobates> ScottK: will you be able to join in remotely?  We plan on discussing an integrated mail stack.
[16:31]  * nealmcb notices non-gui spec also :)  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/oem-config/+spec/oem-config-server/
[16:31] <ScottK> mathiaz: No.  That spec is still there (I updated it slightly), but it's more work than I can do in my free time.
[16:31] <nealmcb> though that is for desktops not servers
[16:32] <dendrobates> nealmcb:  that is more of a first boot thing
[16:32] <ScottK> mathiaz: It'll be building on the config scripts I did for Postfix in Intrepid.
[16:32] <mathiaz> nealmcb: well - that's the point of the spec: to get a server version of oem-config
[16:32] <ScottK> dendrobates: Possibly.  TZ diff isn't too bad.
[16:32] <lamont> hrm.. yet more sessions I'll want to join remotely...
[16:33] <mathiaz> ScottK: ok. If you could write up a spec that would be helpful
[16:33] <mathiaz> ScottK: with a least a list of things that could be done on the mail server stack.
[16:33] <ScottK> dendrobates: If you can schduled during east coast working hours, I can likely make it.
[16:34] <dendrobates> ScottK: I'll do my best
[16:34] <ScottK> Groceries have arrived, so I need to run off for a bit.
[16:34] <mathiaz> allright - anything else for Jaunty specs and UDS?
[16:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: interrupting ...  i have updated the RAID sections of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq
[16:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: great - thanks!
[16:35] <nealmcb> dendrobates, mathiaz - I'll be curious to see what backend oem-config uses to do the config itself
[16:35] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:36] <mathiaz> nealmcb: It uses the same infrastructure as the installer IIRC
[16:36] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Update ServerGuide for Jaunty
[16:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update ServerGuide for Jaunty
[16:36] <mathiaz> sommer: ^^?
[16:37] <sommer> not sure there's much more news from last time
[16:37] <mathiaz> sommer: right - the wiki page has a list of points to work on
[16:37] <sommer> started working on kerberos + ldap, but other than that
[16:37] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyServerGuide
[16:38] <mathiaz> sommer: did you think about the reasons for splitting the server guide into its own source package?
[16:38] <mathiaz> sommer: or should we just defer that topic to the UDS session?
[16:38] <sommer> mathiaz: ya, and I don't think it'll have that many advantages at this point
[16:38] <sommer> mathiaz: sure we can mull it over more at UDS
[16:38] <mathiaz> sommer: ok - great.
[16:39] <sommer> also haven't received any feed back from the doc team on the subject, so it's probably not a big deal either way
[16:39] <mathiaz> That's all for last week minutes
[16:39] <mathiaz> Anything else to add wrt to last week meeting?
[16:41] <mathiaz> nope - let's move on to the next topic
[16:41] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Merges
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Merges
[16:41] <mathiaz> how are we doing on the merging front?
[16:42]  * kirkland did a few this weekend, adding init scripts along the way
[16:43] <kirkland> and filing bugs with Debian for the diffs
[16:43]  * kirkland notes that the Debian email responder is *much* faster now
[16:43] <kirkland> and it's slightly less painful to file bugs with patches back upstream with Debian
[16:44] <ScottK> The reportbug we have in Intrepid supports attaching the patch with the original submission now.
[16:44] <mathiaz> ok - I'll keep the list of 'easy-merges' up-to-date.
[16:44] <ScottK> That saves a step.
[16:45] <mathiaz> ok - let's move on
[16:45]  * soren mumbles about submittodebian from ubuntu-dev-tools
[16:45] <kirkland> ScottK: right; i usually like to add the debian bug number in the merge changelog
[16:45] <kirkland> ScottK: that used to mean waiting some ungodly long time for the Debian BTS to get around to responding
[16:45] <kirkland> ScottK: now, that's more like 3 minutes or so
[16:46] <kirkland> which makes it just "a long time", and not "an ungodly long time"  :-)
[16:47] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[16:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[16:47] <mathiaz> anything to add?
[16:47] <mathiaz> ivoks: ^^ ?
[16:47] <ivoks> heh
[16:47] <ScottK> mathiaz: I do have something on libdb transitions.
[16:47] <ivoks> i'm back, that's all i can say :)
[16:48] <ScottK> mathiaz: Looking at the patch in Bug #301169 it appears to me there are some interface changes in DB 4.7
[16:48] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 301169 in gramps "Include patch to allow gramps to work with BerkeleyDB 4.7 (dup-of: 301170)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301169
[16:48] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 301170 in gramps "Include patch to allow gramps to work with BerkeleyDB 4.7" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301170
[16:48] <Koon> For those with a likewise-open setup, I need help in testing the hardy SRU (bug 230466), currently in -proposed
[16:48] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230466 in likewise-open "Likewise uninstall, Lock login to system" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230466
[16:48] <Koon> I tested it but would welcome someone else validating it, and it's been lingering for quite some time
[16:49] <ScottK> Fortunately it looks like at least in some cases Fedora has patches so we can get them from there.  Fedora patches are usually very good.
[16:49] <sommer> Koon: I can try an take a look at that this evening
[16:50] <Koon> Thanks somer ! also MOTUs could sponsor the tomcat5.5 hardy SRU (bug 179447), it's also been acked for quite some time
[16:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 179447 in tomcat5.5 "Installation of tomcat5.5 fails if openjdk-6 or a JRE is installed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179447
[16:50] <Koon> sommer, I mean
[16:50] <mathiaz> ScottK: are the instructions on the Roadmap still accurate?
[16:51] <mathiaz> ScottK: Note: To do the migration make sure its not using transactions: grep for transaction in the source code - if transactions aren't used, update the build-dep/depends. Otherwise, existing data have to be migrated to a new structure.
[16:52] <ScottK> mathiaz: For transition to 4.6, yes.  For 4.7 it appears more complicated.
[16:52] <ScottK> mathiaz: Getting everything to 4.6 would be a big victory.
[16:52] <mathiaz> ScottK: ok.
[16:53] <mathiaz> Anything else to add?
[16:53] <ScottK> No.  Just wanted to make sure whoever is working that was aware.
[16:54] <ScottK> mathiaz: On a new topic, in Intrepid we got roadblocked on tasksel and too many options.
[16:54] <ScottK> Is there a plan to deal with that for Jaunty?
[16:55] <ScottK> Part of the mail server stack question is how many options can we reasonably provide.
[16:55] <mathiaz> ScottK: there is a session about the server installer
[16:55] <ScottK> mathiaz: OK.  I probably won't participate, I'd just like a U/I that allows more choices so we can offer different mail server configs.
[16:56] <mathiaz> ScottK: sure - at least we'll have a specific use case to discuss during the session
[16:56] <mathiaz> let's move on as there is another meeting coming up
[16:57] <ScottK> OK.
[16:57] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time.
[16:57] <mathiaz> next week, same place, same time?
[16:57] <kirkland> oui!
[16:57] <sommer> sure
[16:57] <Koon> ok
[16:59] <mathiaz> ok - great then
[16:59] <mathiaz> see ya all next week, here.
[16:59] <mathiaz> happy merging !
[16:59] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:59.

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