20110726

Agenda

  • Review ACTION points from previous meeting
    • [ACTION] sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation (continued x 3)
  • Oneiric Development
    • On target
  • Ubuntu Server Team Events
    • SpamapS (Clint Byrum) will be speaking at OSCON July 28
  • Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)

  • Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)

    • [ACTION] smb and utlemming to look at Bug #791850
    • [ACTION] Daviey and adam_g to address Bug #799630
  • Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)

    • Unattended installation w/ preseeds working on pandaboard
    • Heavy QA for common package sets
  • Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community

  • Open Discussion
  • Announce next meeting date and time
    • Tuesday 2011-08-02 at 1600 UTC here on #ubuntu-meeting

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, August 02,2011 at 16:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

Jul 26 10:03:25 <utlemming>     #startmeeting
Jul 26 10:03:26 <MootBot>       Meeting started at 11:03. The chair is utlemming.
Jul 26 10:03:26 <MootBot>       Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
Jul 26 10:04:03 <RoAkSoAx>      o/
Jul 26 10:04:06 <utlemming>     [TOPIC] follow up from last meeting
Jul 26 10:04:07 <MootBot>       New Topic:  follow up from last meeting
Jul 26 10:04:23 <utlemming>     sommer, j1mc: to look at doc presentation (continued x 2)
Jul 26 10:04:34 <utlemming>     What is the status on the doc presentation?
Jul 26 10:05:40 <utlemming>     And it looks like neither are in...so
Jul 26 10:05:56 <utlemming>     [ACTION] sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation (continued x 3)
Jul 26 10:05:56 <MootBot>       ACTION received:  sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation (continued x 3)
Jul 26 10:06:09 <utlemming>     [TOPIC] Oneiric Development
Jul 26 10:06:10 <MootBot>       New Topic:  Oneiric Development
Jul 26 10:06:47 <utlemming>     Anyone have any topics here?
Jul 26 10:07:10 <Daviey>        o/
Jul 26 10:07:17 <Daviey>        Full cycle tracking: - http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html
Jul 26 10:07:20 <Daviey>        We seem to be pretty much on target, with:
Jul 26 10:07:23 <Daviey>        Bugs currently being tracked for Oneiric Release: - http://people.ubuntu.com/~davewalker/release-bugs.html
Jul 26 10:07:26 <Daviey>        If there is a bug you are aware of, or currently working on that isn't on that list - please can you raise it here, or with me afterwards.  Thanks.
Jul 26 10:07:29 <Daviey>        Sync's/Merges: - http://people.ubuntu.com/~davewalker/server-sid-new.html (We are doing ok!  But please be conservative!)
Jul 26 10:08:12 <Daviey>        (boot experience Clint is currently working hard on)
Jul 26 10:08:19 <Daviey>        LXC is expected to catch up at the LXC sprint.
Jul 26 10:08:24 <Daviey>        Anything else to note?
Jul 26 10:08:43 <hallyn>        conservative?
Jul 26 10:08:57 <hallyn>        meaning don't do any more synca than we feel we really need to?
Jul 26 10:09:01 *       hallyn confused
Jul 26 10:10:18 <utlemming>     Daviey: can you clarify for hallyn?
Jul 26 10:11:14 <Daviey>        hallyn: We just need to start stabilising
Jul 26 10:11:25 <Daviey>        We can still break stuff, but there is added presure to resolve.
Jul 26 10:11:30 <hallyn>        Daviey: oh, i was loking at it a bit differently...
Jul 26 10:11:39 <hallyn>        figuring we should sync to the last possible minute in this cycle,
Jul 26 10:11:49 <hallyn>        and be extra-conservative in 12.04
Jul 26 10:11:54 <zul>   agreed
Jul 26 10:12:12 <hallyn>        was particularly hoping not to sync libvirt at all during 12.04 cycle if possible
Jul 26 10:12:12 <Daviey>        hallyn: Well we /can/ do that.. but be more aware of issues it might cause.
Jul 26 10:12:20 *       hallyn nods
Jul 26 10:12:33 <Daviey>        (hallyn, note that next cycle may be syncing from debian testing, rather than unstable)
Jul 26 10:12:48 <hallyn>        ah
Jul 26 10:13:18 <Daviey>        hallyn: I wonder if we can reduce our delta regarding libvirt?
Jul 26 10:13:35 <hallyn>        Daviey: that's not the issue.  (well, it's a bear, but not the issue ;)
Jul 26 10:13:45 <Daviey>        That seems to be moving quite fast in Debian, and regular sync would be easier if a smaller delta.
Jul 26 10:14:16 <hallyn>        it's moving fast upstream.
Jul 26 10:14:28 <hallyn>        too fast, imo, to safely track during lts cycle.
Jul 26 10:16:44 <Daviey>        hallyn: agreed, we'll discuss that at UDS
Jul 26 10:16:49 <hallyn>        cool
Jul 26 10:17:05 <jdstrand>      fwiw, it does move very fast
Jul 26 10:17:11 <jdstrand>      (imo)
Jul 26 10:17:31 <Daviey>        jdstrand: We'll nab you for a session regarding core component versioning session at UDS btw :)
Jul 26 10:17:39 <Daviey>        utlemming: I think we can move on.
Jul 26 10:17:48 <utlemming>     [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
Jul 26 10:17:49 <MootBot>       New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Team Events
Jul 26 10:17:49 <jdstrand>      Daviey: cool
Jul 26 10:17:59 *       jdstrand quiets down
Jul 26 10:18:18 <utlemming>     Do we have any events this week? 
Jul 26 10:19:11 <utlemming>     SpamapS (Clint Byrum) will be speaking at OSCON July 28 
Jul 26 10:19:41 <utlemming>     [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
Jul 26 10:19:41 <MootBot>       New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
Jul 26 10:20:06 <hggdh> any questions for me?
Jul 26 10:20:21 <hggdh> otherwise...
Jul 26 10:20:23 <hggdh> ..
Jul 26 10:21:24 <utlemming>     hggdh: we'll take silence as no questions
Jul 26 10:21:28 <Daviey>        hggdh: None at the moment!
Jul 26 10:21:28 <utlemming>     [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) 
Jul 26 10:21:29 <MootBot>       New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
Jul 26 10:21:33 <smb>   Hi
Jul 26 10:21:45 <smb>   Not think there so much updates this week
Jul 26 10:21:57 <Daviey>        one mo
Jul 26 10:22:03 <smb>   Found some missing deps for the xen build which zul is taking care of
Jul 26 10:22:22 <smb>   Daviey, yes?
Jul 26 10:22:25 <Daviey>        smb / utlemming: Any news on bug #791850 ?
Jul 26 10:22:28 <ubottu>        Launchpad bug 791850 in linux (Ubuntu) "oneiric cluster compute instances do not boot" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791850
Jul 26 10:22:41 <utlemming>     Daviey: beat me to the punch there...
Jul 26 10:23:14 <smb>   Daviey, Not so much from my side, I was using the comment of Amazon looking to provide data as a SEP field
Jul 26 10:23:42 <utlemming>     There has been some AWS forum activity going with Oneiric -- so we might need to spend some time there. Amazon reports that the instance dies almost immediately. 
Jul 26 10:23:56 <Daviey>        utlemming: I assigned it to you, purely as the point of contact - as you were talking to Amazon about it.
Jul 26 10:24:18 <adam_g>        i've got a question regarding Bug #799630 and similar, where DKMS packages are updated against backported kernels and fail. is this kinda stuff supported, especially on LTS?
Jul 26 10:24:20 <ubottu>        Launchpad bug 799630 in drbd8 (Ubuntu) "package drbd8-source 2:8.3.7-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: drbd8 kernel module failed to build" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799630
Jul 26 10:24:27 <utlemming>     Yes, I've talked with Amazon a couple of times, but haven't made any in roads there yet. 
Jul 26 10:24:47 <Daviey>        utlemming: ok.. what can we do to progress this?
Jul 26 10:25:38 <Daviey>        adam_g: dkms should not build a kernel module if it notices the kernel has a >= to what is in the dkms payload.
Jul 26 10:25:48 <utlemming>     I'll work with smb on this -- we'll likely need to get a dump on this or repro this in house
Jul 26 10:26:00 <Daviey>        utlemming: sounds good!
Jul 26 10:26:08 <utlemming>     [ACTION] smb and utlemming to work on Bug #791850
Jul 26 10:26:09 <MootBot>       ACTION received:  smb and utlemming to work on Bug #791850
Jul 26 10:26:10 <ubottu>        Launchpad bug 791850 in linux (Ubuntu) "oneiric cluster compute instances do not boot" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791850
Jul 26 10:26:11 <smb>   adam_g, I guess at least for LTS and when providing backported kernels I think it should be taken care of
Jul 26 10:27:02 <adam_g>        Daviey: so that mentioned bug looks more like a packaging issue than anything else?
Jul 26 10:27:29 <RoAkSoAx>      adam_g: yes it does, though you'd also have to start updating user-space tools to match the kernel module
Jul 26 10:27:30 <Daviey>        adam_g: can't comment really, first time i've looked at it
Jul 26 10:27:34 <Daviey>        We'll take it out of meeting.
Jul 26 10:28:00 <utlemming>     [ACTION] Daviey and adam_g to address Bug #791850
Jul 26 10:28:00 <MootBot>       ACTION received:  Daviey and adam_g to address Bug #791850
Jul 26 10:28:01 <ubottu>        Launchpad bug 791850 in linux (Ubuntu) "oneiric cluster compute instances do not boot" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791850
Jul 26 10:28:15 <utlemming>     Any other topics for smb?
Jul 26 10:28:20 <smb>   Ok. Otherwise I also don't have more.
Jul 26 10:28:22 <adam_g>        drbd is one example, but there are other modules that we maintaind out-of-tree and later merged mainline, but in doing so caused out of tree modules to fail to build against later kernels
Jul 26 10:28:27 <Daviey>        smb: thanks!
Jul 26 10:28:48 <Daviey>        adam_g: Yeah, that sounds like a dkms bug, as it should not build.
Jul 26 10:29:16 <Daviey>        Thankfully, the dkms upstream is a ubuntu developer - we'll jump on him if we get blocked. :)
Jul 26 10:29:28 <adam_g>        Daviey: ok great, ill be happy to look at it with you later
Jul 26 10:29:30 <smb>   Daviey, just note that in some cases you only have the dkms module
Jul 26 10:30:01 <Daviey>        yah
Jul 26 10:30:40 <utlemming>     [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)
Jul 26 10:30:41 <MootBot>       New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)
Jul 26 10:31:11 <utlemming>     NCommander: you're up
Jul 26 10:33:06 <utlemming>     Okay, moving on
Jul 26 10:33:11 <utlemming>     [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
Jul 26 10:33:11 <MootBot>       New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
Jul 26 10:34:03 <utlemming>     Any questions or comments to or from our community? 
Jul 26 10:34:45 <utlemming>     Moving on then
Jul 26 10:34:47 <utlemming>     [TOPIC] Open Discussion
Jul 26 10:34:48 <MootBot>       New Topic:  Open Discussion
Jul 26 10:35:28 <Daviey>        I have nothing to raise.
Jul 26 10:35:51 *       NCommander is here now (sorry, TASP call)
Jul 26 10:36:15 <utlemming>     NCommander: glad to have you join
Jul 26 10:36:24 <utlemming>     Any updates for us?
Jul 26 10:36:48 <NCommander>    Unattended installation with preseeds is now know to work on pandaboard which should help satisfy the requirements of ensebmle
Jul 26 10:37:24 <NCommander>    In addition, heavy QA efforts are underway to make sure common sets of server packages work properly on ARM (such as kerberous, ruby-on-rails, etc.)
Jul 26 10:37:40 <NCommander>    any help with QA testing of any sort would be greatly appericated
Jul 26 10:38:00 <Daviey>        NCommander: Is there docs on using uboot to PXE boot?
Jul 26 10:38:23 <Daviey>        NCommander: Where is the QA effort being co-ordinated?
Jul 26 10:38:25 <NCommander>    Daviey: more like a loose collection of notes, GrueMaster is the expert on this
Jul 26 10:38:31 <NCommander>    Daviey: on two specs in LP
Jul 26 10:38:46 <Daviey>        NCommander: I wonder if you'd be able to ask GrueMaster to document this?
Jul 26 10:38:47 *       NCommander tries to get the links
Jul 26 10:39:04 <NCommander>    Daviey: he probably has it documented, I just haven't been around to poke him about it
Jul 26 10:39:21 <NCommander>    https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-arm-image-validation
Jul 26 10:39:28 <NCommander>    https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-arm-image-qa
Jul 26 10:39:31 <hallyn>        wiki.ubuntu.com/ArmServer ?
Jul 26 10:39:56 <NCommander>    hallyn: there's a landing page on the wiki but I don't have a link handy
Jul 26 10:40:01 <hallyn>        ah ok
Jul 26 10:40:21 <Daviey>        NCommander: This probably needs to be better vocalised.
Jul 26 10:40:35 <NCommander>    Daviey: the QA bits?
Jul 26 10:40:43 <Daviey>        NCommander: both parts :)
Jul 26 10:40:53 <NCommander>    I'll make a posting on my blog about it, though I'm unsure how many people actually read it :-(
Jul 26 10:41:06 <Daviey>        NCommander: We'll all read it :)
Jul 26 10:41:12 <Daviey>        it will be well recieved. :)
Jul 26 10:41:24 <Daviey>        Thanks NCommander !
Jul 26 10:41:39 <NCommander>    np
Jul 26 10:43:03 <utlemming>     [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
Jul 26 10:43:03 <MootBot>       New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
Jul 26 10:43:08 <utlemming>     Tuesday 2011-08-02 at 1600 UTC here in #ubuntu-meeting
Jul 26 10:43:17 <utlemming>     Thank you everyone and have a good week
Jul 26 10:43:21 <utlemming>     #endmeeting

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