UbuntuDev-2006-09-21
04:59 mdz Kamion, seb128, mvo, doko, Mithrandir, Riddell, ogra: ping 04:59 fabbione mdz: i just managed to get one laptop up and running 04:59 Mithrandir pong 04:59 ogra pong 04:59 seb128 mdz: pong 04:59 Riddell hi mdz 05:00 mvo hello 05:00 zul hi mdz 05:00 kwwii hi 05:00 pitti hi kwwii 05:01 Riddell Linuturk_code: yes 05:01 mdz Kamion, doko_: reping 05:01 doko_ pong 05:03 mdz ok, good afternoon everyone, let's begin 05:03 mdz pitti: will you start us off? === fabbione is ready too 05:03 pitti sure 05:03 pitti Done: 05:03 pitti * security updates: Thunderbird/dapper, Thunderbird + all reverse dependencies for breezy, Firefox/dapper (needs final approval from mdz), gzip, kernel 05:03 pitti * apt-get-debug-symbols: buildd side done by infinity, people.u.c. side done by me, announced to u-d-a, enjoy! 05:03 pitti * bug fixing in various packages (mainly apport, hal, gnome-volume-manager, some FTBFS, some dapper updates) 05:03 pitti * intro meeting with keescook 05:03 pitti * heavy Knot-3 CD testing 05:03 pitti * finished last bits of gnutls12->13 transition, gnutls12 in universe now 05:03 pitti * managed to stay on top of the bug wave 05:03 pitti Todo: 05:03 pitti * fix langpack-o-matic infrastructure to work with new SRU policy (upload staging in *-proposed), urgently need to update dapper langpacks (also to fix some serious bugs) 05:03 pitti * Beta testing 05:03 pitti * care for mysql merge if infinity's workload is too high 05:04 pitti * improve apport-retrace script to make use of new ddeb archive 05:04 pitti * bug fixing, to the extent possible by freezes === shenki [n=shenki@ppp131-170.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:04 pitti mdz: btw, ffox 1.5.0.7 is prepared for dapper release; do you want to discuss that or shall I just go ahead? 05:04 mdz pitti: I thought we already discussed it, if I'm confused then we should review it again 05:05 pitti mdz: well, I never got a formal 'ok', that's why I'm asking 05:05 pitti (just the ok for thunderbird) 05:05 mdz pitti: ok, let's follow up by email 05:05 pitti alright 05:05 mdz pitti: is there anything on your list which should be on the beta todo list? === pitti notes that he set his last spec to 'implemented' today :) === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.117.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:06 sbalneav Hello 05:06 mdz for reference, since it will come up many times during the meeting, it is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.10-beta 05:06 pitti mdz: nothing is terribly urgent, no 05:06 mdz you can nominate any bug for that list by setting the milestone, but make sure the importance is set appropriately 05:06 pitti in general, I do think we should fix the ubuntu-meta behaviour 05:06 mdz pitti: which behaviour? 05:07 pitti ok, I'll check my bugs for good candidates, but I squashed most of the appropriate ones already 05:07 pitti mdz: removing any u-desktop dependency marks all other u-desktop packages for auto-removal 05:07 pitti unlike in previous releases 05:08 imbrandon ( *-desktop ) 05:08 mdz hmm, is that because the metapackage is used to install the livefs? 05:08 pitti e. g. I can't even uninstall bug-buddy without apt wanting to kill my entire system 05:08 mdz rather than the task? 05:08 pitti I didn't look into it so far, but I think so 05:08 mdz pitti: open a bug, set the milestone to beta and let's talk with mvo about it 05:09 mvo mdz: the current apt has native tasks support 05:09 pitti mdz: alright 05:09 mdz should be a trivial change to the livefs build script 05:09 mdz pitti: thanks 05:09 mvo mdz: its a matter of modifing the livefs build script 05:09 mdz mvo: :-) 05:09 mdz mvo: next 05:09 mvo Did: 05:09 mvo - bug triage 05:09 mvo - added native tasks support into apt-get to make livefs build easier (apt-get install taskname^) 05:09 mvo - improved the synaptic/apt support for automatic dependency display/manipulation 05:09 mvo - knot3 cd testing 05:09 mvo - bugfixing (apt, pango, gtk-im-libthai, g-a-i, vmware-player-kernel/dapper-security, update-manager, python-apt, python-central, python-defaults, anacron, bash, gnome-system-tools GST_NO_NTP) 05:09 mvo - ddtp updates 05:09 mvo - added a wikipage about automatic dependency removal and added it to ubuntu weekly news 05:09 mvo - some work on the non-interactive dist-upgrader, some upgrade testing 05:09 mvo Will do: 05:09 mvo - more testing/bugfixing in the beta release 05:09 mvo - update the gnome-app-install desktop files/icons 05:09 mvo - investigate what to do with the dist-upgrader and early upgrading of apt (fot the breaks field). this was blocked last week by not working dapper-backports 05:09 mvo - user notification for non-free video drivers (these are bad m'kay) 05:09 mvo - look into scim/xim mess (scim-chewing in edgy/dapper) and (maybe) create a ubuntu-l10n mailinglist for developer discussion about l10n/input-methods/font issues 05:09 mvo - get apache logs to find duplicated HOSTIDs and forcefully reconfigure those *or* remove all old HOSTIDs data from popcon.ubuntu.com and upload new popcon that force reconfigure for all older versions to get a new HOSTID. this means we won't have valid data for a couple of days though 05:10 mdz mvo: are we able to do ddtp translation using rosetta yet, and if not, is there a spec registered for it? 05:11 Kamion here, sorry I'm late, just got back from the school run 05:11 mvo mdz: rosetta has them, but its still manual in a lot of steps 05:11 mvo partial because rosetta does not provide the needed api 05:11 mvo partial because I haven't written more scripts to automate import/export yet 05:12 mvo and there is some bugfixing to be done in the current scripts that deal with this 05:12 mvo (my scripts) 05:12 mdz mvo: ok 05:12 mdz mvo: do you have anything for the beta todo list? 05:13 mvo mdz: I don't think so, there may be stuff coming up though :) I would like to update the g-a-i desktop database 05:13 mdz mvo: that seems like something which should go on the milestone checklist 05:13 mvo mdz: does that mean I should add a bug for it and add it to the beta-milestone? 05:14 mvo mdz: the dist-upgrader is very high priority now 05:14 mdz mvo: no, talk with Mithrandir about adding it to the process checklist === Broken_Arrow [n=Julien@AToulon-152-1-80-228.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:14 mvo because the current breaks in the archive break the upgrader :( 05:14 mdz mvo: hmm, is dist-upgrader not ready for upgrades to beta? 05:14 mdz mvo: ok, that's important. please open a bug and set the milestone so it appears on the list 05:14 mvo mdz: not for packages with breaks, no 05:15 mvo ok 05:15 mvo will do 05:15 iwj mvo: Is there anything I can do to help with the upgrader ? 05:15 iwj I'm worried that this is starting to get rather late ... 05:15 mvo iwj: possible, lets talk off-meeting 05:16 mdz ok, thanks mvo 05:16 mdz Kamion: next 05:16 iwj mvo: OK 05:16 Kamion Done: 05:16 Kamion recommends-support: germinate backport for dapper-updates, needed on drescher. 05:16 Kamion ubiquity: Trimmed about 150-200 off the bug list by means of rejections and duplications, fixed some common issues (including back/forward flow between gparted and the mountpoints page, yay), and started categorising the most common remaining bugs. 05:16 Kamion milestone-rhythm: Made the daily CD health checks not mail the release team quite so many times. 05:16 Kamion To do: 05:16 Kamion usplash: Still need to handle tasksel enhancements to make resolution detection on fresh (d-i) install work properly. This will bite people who install the beta and then upgrade to Edgy, so is it beta-critical? 05:16 Kamion misc: Other beta-critical bugs (mostly loose ends of console-setup integration; estimate a good day's work for these). Rename server to minimal (?) on the alternate CDs, and hoover up any other relevant ubunt 05:16 Kamion u-cdimage bugs. 05:16 Kamion ubiquity: I have two large classes of crashes still to deal with, tagged gtk-mainloop-crash and invalid-literal-for-int in Malone; need to figure out whether these are in fact duplicates, or whether there are multiple causes. Also want to deal with reserved usernames. All this is probably post-beta now. 05:17 mdz Kamion: people who install the beta [from the alternate cd] and then upgrade? 05:18 Riddell Kamion: did abattoir contact you about oem-config-kde not not having to use metacity? 05:18 mdz how does tasksel relate to resolution detection? 05:18 Kamion mdz: usplash is installed before xserver-xorg, so can't fetch the mode from xorg.conf 05:18 mdz Kamion: is the ubiquity keyboard layout issue from knot 3 now fixed? 05:18 Kamion mdz: we need to fudge tasksel around a bit to make that not happen 05:19 mdz Kamion: how will that bite those who upgrade; won't usplash fix that up on upgrade? 05:19 Kamion Riddell: yes, and I rearranged the code so he could slot in use of kwin or whatever, although I don't think I've seen a patch from him yet that does that 05:19 Kamion mdz: usplash doesn't / IMHO shouldn't change an existing usplash.conf on upgrade 05:19 Kamion mdz: sorry, which ubiquity keyboard layout issue? 05:20 mdz Kamion: I lit the batsignal for gtk help and jdahlin came by; he might be able to help with the other issues as well 05:20 mdz Kamion: * The desktop CD installer does not guess non-US keyboard layouts 05:20 mdz correctly. This merely requires one to select the correct 05:20 mdz keyboard layout when using the desktop CD installer. 05:21 Kamion I don't think so, but I'll check; thanks for the reminder 05:21 mdz ok, thanks 05:21 mdz dholbach: next 05:21 dholbach Done 05:21 dholbach * finished functional version of the art-builder 05:21 dholbach * pilot updates into Ubuntu 05:21 dholbach * small fixes 05:21 dholbach * telepathy packaging, reviewing, mentoring - we might quite some progress: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Telepathy/Modules 05:21 dholbach To do 05:21 dholbach * catch up with bug triage, or suffer from Sb of Doom 05:21 dholbach * human-icon-theme update (added icons) 05:21 dholbach * CD testing 05:21 dholbach * investigate in gnome-bluetooth/gnome-phone-manager/libbtctl updates 05:21 dholbach * revu-ing for Universe Freeze 05:21 dholbach * apt-get.org 05:22 mdz dholbach: art-builder is deployed? or not quite yet? 05:22 mvo dholbach: I'm happy to help with the apt-get.org auto-test-build script === Gadi [n=romm@ool-44c7518f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:22 dholbach not deployed yet, will do so asap and talk with Frank about it 05:22 dholbach mvo: thanks a lot - I just didn't get around yet to debug it === dholbach hugs mvo 05:23 fschoep dholbach: looking forward to it 05:23 mdz dholbach: is there anything in desktop-land which should be on the beta list? 05:23 mdz besides the g-s-d bug I added already 05:23 dholbach In my bug catchup frenzy, I'll be sure to mark bugs as beta milestones 05:24 mdz dholbach: ok, review existing higher-severity bugs as well and see if anything should be added there === mvo hugs dholbach 05:24 mdz dholbach: thanks 05:24 dholbach mdz: alright 05:24 mdz seb128: next 05:24 seb128 Done: 05:24 seb128 - load and load of bug triage, replied to most of new desktop bugs and took my backlog from around 370 to 240 05:24 seb128 - some desktopish updates 05:24 seb128 - some updates and fixes for gnome-java packages 05:24 seb128 - started fixing desktop bugs for edgy beta 05:24 seb128 Todo: 05:24 seb128 - keep fighting bugs flood 05:24 seb128 - fixing desktop bugs 05:24 seb128 - beta CD testing === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:24 mdz seb128: did the upstream forwarding push help with the bug flood at all? 05:25 seb128 what upstream forwarding push? 05:25 seb128 we do forward them all the time ;) 05:25 mvo lol 05:25 seb128 there was no push though 05:25 mdz seb128: we had a bug day where the theme was to get folks to help with upstream forwarding 05:25 seb128 yeah, and I didn't notice a real difference compared to any other day to be honest 05:25 dholbach that was 2 weeks ago or something 05:26 mdz yes, and the idea was that more people would then know how to forward bugs and would keep doing it :-) 05:26 seb128 dholbach and I and some usual triager did put some extra efforts 05:26 seb128 but not of new people or other guys did participate 05:26 seb128 yeah 05:26 mdz sfllaw: is there info on the appropriate wiki pages with links to the needs-to-be-forwarded list? 05:26 seb128 we would need somebody pushing for that 05:26 dholbach it's on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bugs and I mailed that link to some mailing lists including ubuntu-bugsquad@ 05:27 sfllaw mdz: I'm writing documentation now on the new Bugs/HowToTriage page. 05:27 seb128 nobody is spending time on the mater atm 05:27 mdz sfllaw: after the meeting please, but thanks ;-) 05:27 mdz seb128: it is a priority for sfllaw 05:27 seb128 I'm happy to read that 05:27 seb128 :) 05:27 mdz ok === sfllaw hugs seb128. 05:27 mdz thanks seb128 05:27 mdz tkamppeter: next 05:28 mdz tkamppeter: did you talk with pitti about the meeting format? === seb128 hugs sfllaw 05:28 pitti no 05:28 tkamppeter This is the first meeting in which I participate, as I have started at Ubuntu in the beginning of this month. 05:28 tkamppeter Done: 05:29 tkamppeter - Installed Edgy as dual-boot with on my laptop and reported first bug 05:29 ogra tkamppeter, which we all appreciate ;) 05:29 fabbione only one? 05:29 fabbione that sounds cool ;) 05:29 imbrandon ;) 05:30 Kamion (we normally write up our done/todo items in advance so that we can just paste them; it saves time) 05:30 tkamppeter - Looked throught the printing-related bugs (subscribed to ubuntu-printing-team) === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:30 tkamppeter - Answered to many bugs to get info from the posters === keescook [n=kees@mylar.outflux.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:30 pitti we did some packaging tutoring ping-pong, worked pretty well for the merges 05:31 tkamppeter fabbione, I have found another one today 05:31 pitti tkamppeter: bug traige -> #ubuntu-devel, please 05:31 tkamppeter - Done my first Debian/Ubuntu package: Gutenprint 5.0.0 final, thanks to pitti to introduce me into the methods of Ubuntu packaging!! 05:32 pitti you're welcome, glad to see a printing guru stirring up edgy ;) 05:32 Riddell tkamppeter: apparantly there's some issues with KDE printing, which will be a post-beta priority, any help appreciated === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:32 tkamppeter pitti, what do you mean with "bug traige -> #ubuntu-devel, please"? 05:33 pitti tkamppeter: I thought you wanted to talk about bugs, that's #u-devel stuff; sorry, that wasn't the case apparently 05:33 tkamppeter Riddell, subscribe bugs to the printing team, 05:33 Riddell tkamppeter: will do 05:33 tkamppeter and one KDE/CUPS 1.2 issue is well-known. 05:34 tkamppeter Riddell, I will tell you about this issue later. 05:34 ogra tkamppeter, i plan some improvements for ltsp printing in edgy+1 and would like to talk with you about it in mountain view ... (just as notification) 05:34 mdz tkamppeter: the text is prepared in advance to save time because the meeting is large. if you could email me after the meeting and prepare next time, that is fine 05:34 mdz instead we will just welcome you this time :-) 05:34 mdz tkamppeter, for those who have not noticed, is helping us with printing support in Ubuntu 05:34 mdz tkamppeter: so welcome :-) 05:34 mdz sfllaw: next 05:35 mdz sfllaw: ping? 05:35 sfllaw Done: 05:35 sfllaw * Writing Wiki documentation 05:35 sfllaw * Bug triage 05:35 sfllaw To do: 05:35 sfllaw * Bug triage === pitti hugs tkamppeter 05:35 sfllaw * Writing Wiki documentation 05:35 sfllaw * Hug day 05:35 sfllaw * Buy a new laptop (the old one died) 05:35 mdz tkamppeter: please collect your text and send it to me via email, we have moved on 05:35 mdz sfllaw must be having connectivity issues 05:35 mdz Riddell: next 05:35 sfllaw Hullo? 05:35 sfllaw Can you hear me? 05:35 ogra heh 05:35 nixternal haha 05:35 mdz Riddell: your update please 05:35 ogra sfllaw, no 05:35 Riddell I can see sfllaw 05:35 Kamion mdz: I can see sfllaw speaking 05:35 sfllaw It must be a NetSplit. 05:35 mdz sfllaw: * Ping reply from sfllaw: 162.49 second(s) :-) 05:35 fabbione mdz: so can i 05:35 tkamppeter - Checked through the actual versions of Ubuntu packages and the bugs, a lot is too old, therefore asked for UVF ERs on: foomatic-filters, foomatic-db, foomatic-hpijs, HPLIP, Gutenprint, foo2zjs 05:35 kwwii as can I 05:35 Mithrandir I guess it's mdz having problems with his net. :-P 05:36 mdz what a mess 05:36 tkamppeter - (All but foo2zjs already approved) 05:36 BenC lol, for once I'm not the one with the major lag :) === fabbione ^5 BenC 05:36 mdz it seems like lag between the server I'm connected to (and some others) and everyone else 05:37 mdz am I caught up now? 05:37 fabbione * Ping reply from mdz: ? second(s) 05:37 Keybuk * Ping reply from mdz: 0.35 second(s) 05:37 seb128 --- Ping reply from mdz : 0.98 second(s) 05:37 Kamion 16:37 [Freenode] CTCP PING reply from mdz: 0.480 seconds 05:37 shenki mdz: yes, you're caught up now 05:37 mdz ok 05:37 mdz sfllaw: anything on the broader bug radar which should be raised for the beta? 05:38 mdz sfllaw: which wiki documentation did you write in the past week? 05:38 sfllaw Mmm. Not really. There are really only minor issues. 05:38 sfllaw I'm refactoring the BugSquad pages, so that it's easier to find info on getting involved. 05:38 sfllaw Documenting our processes and such. === wiz [n=wiz@83.222.194.31] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === pitti took the freedom to augment the worse bugs from Testing/Current with a beta milestone flag 05:39 sfllaw This should make it faster for new BugSquad volunteers to get up to speed, and also make it easier for people to join Ubuntu QA. 05:40 mdz sfllaw: ok, especially in the time leading up to beta, we need your eyes to pick out any serious issues we need to be aware of for the beta 05:40 mdz sfllaw: so make sure you are keeping up with bug triage during this critical time 05:40 sfllaw Right. 05:40 sfllaw When are we getting those version fields in Malone? 05:40 sfllaw ;) === mvo will investigate two "does not book up at all" regressions tomorrow from friends 05:40 Keybuk sfllaw: edgy+7 05:40 mdz sfllaw: LP1.0 + N 05:40 sfllaw :( 05:41 mdz sfllaw: we must work with what we have today 05:41 sfllaw Fair enough. 05:41 seb128 mvo: what book? ;) 05:41 mdz sfllaw: thanks 05:41 mdz Riddell: next === mvo slaps seb128 05:41 Riddell done: lots of bugfixing 05:41 Riddell kde ubiquity scrollview 05:41 Riddell fix various issues with .pot generation for rosetta 05:41 Riddell discussion with jono 05:41 Riddell blocked: ruby on ppc, can recreate failure on davis but probably needs someone more familiar with it to fix 05:41 Riddell todo: investigate Usplash art missing in Kubuntu and test dapper->edgy upgrade generally 05:41 Riddell package kubuntu-docs 05:41 Riddell KDE conference from friday evening to tuesday. 05:41 Riddell Beta release 05:41 Riddell note: kde 3.5.5 and koffice 1.6 both scheduled for early october 05:41 Kamion missing usplash> isn't that just misconfigured resolution, as above? 05:41 mdz Riddell: how did kubuntu knot 3 turn out? any bugs which should go on the beta list? 05:41 Kamion or is it something more complex? 05:42 mdz Riddell: someone more familiar with ruby, or with ppc? 05:42 Riddell mdz: pretty well, main problems all fixed 05:42 pitti shall we consider amd64/nvidia usplash failure as a high-importancy bug which deserves rollback to vga on amd64? === jammcq_laptop [n=jam@70.91.230.209] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:42 Riddell mdz: usplash seems to work on new installs, but there's that bug for dapper upgrades I need to look at 05:43 mdz pitti: I thought mjg59 said that was fixed 05:43 Riddell mdz: both? 05:43 mdz Riddell: martin pool admitted to knowing ruby; you know who the ppc fetishists are in the house 05:43 pitti mdz: not fully as it seems, today I heard several more confirmations in IRC, and it's still happening for a friend of mine and me (i. e. all amd64/nvidia guys I know) 05:43 mdz Riddell: have you asked one of them for help? 05:44 Riddell mdz: not recently, I can poke them again === spamhog [n=Miranda@xd-85-20-126-238.mi2.albacom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:44 Kamion rolling back to VGA will be pretty hard, requires complicated theme changes too 05:44 Kamion I think we're quite deeply committed 05:44 mdz who will help Riddell with this issue? it's been blocking for weeks now 05:44 pitti humm === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:44 mdz Kamion: mjg59 gave the impression it could fall back gracefully 05:45 Kamion mdz: not until somebody teaches usplash to build in both bogl and svga backends into a single binary 05:45 BenC if there's any ppc usplash help needed, I volunteer 05:45 mvo pitti: I have a amd64/nvidia test-machine, happy to give it a go 05:45 mdz Kamion: gah...I thought bogl talked to svgalib 05:45 Kamion unless svgalib can do vga too 05:45 Kamion mdz: no, separate backend 05:45 Kamion s 05:45 Mithrandir Kamion: that should be doable, shouldn't it? 05:45 Kamion at the moment they share function names - There Can Be Only One 05:45 Kamion Mithrandir: doable, sure, but not done === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:45 mdz Kamion: garrrr 05:46 Mithrandir if it's a blocker for beta, I can do it. 05:46 Kamion we really really need the existing themes to provide 640x400 and/or 640x480 images === BenC has done framebuffer+svga work 05:46 BenC feel free to bug me 05:46 Kamion fschoep,kwwii: ^-- 05:46 mdz BenC: would you help Riddell get ruby/ppc building? 05:46 kwwii Kamion: will do 05:46 fschoep Sure 05:46 BenC ruby? 05:46 Kamion thanks 05:46 BenC hrmm, I can try 05:46 kwwii Kamion: have one, but I did not include it :p 05:46 mdz BenC: afaik usplash/ppc is happy now, but more testing is always good 05:47 mdz BenC: yes, ruby...it's failing to build on ppc only 05:47 BenC ok, I can do that 05:47 mdz thank you 05:47 Kamion kwwii: it's particularly obvious since 640x480 is the current default on all alternate CD installs 05:47 Riddell BenC: on 64 bit kernel ppc only to be specific 05:47 mdz Riddell: you leave for the conf after the beta release, yes? 05:47 Kamion and we may have to fall back to 640x400 on amd64/nvidia, see above 05:47 Kamion that would be 640x400x8 in fact 05:47 Riddell mdz: before, I leave tomorrow evening 05:47 mdz Riddell: sorry, you leave tomorrow and come back early next week? 05:47 BenC Riddell: it fails to build only on 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userspace? 05:47 Riddell mdz: yes 05:47 Kamion or whatever the old usplash resolution was 05:47 Keybuk Kamion: x8 or x4 ? 05:47 Riddell BenC: yes 05:48 Kamion x4 I guess 05:48 BenC Riddell: should be easy, I have a G5 I can test out 05:48 mdz Riddell: ok, make sure you review your bug list tomorrow and add any beta blockers to the list 05:48 Riddell mdz: ok 05:48 mdz Riddell: if there isn't a bug filed for this ruby issue, file one and mark it for the beta 05:48 Mithrandir Riddell,BenC: can you take the ruby/ppc discussion later/in #u-d? 05:48 BenC sure 05:48 jbailey BenC: Poke me for other testing on G5, too. 05:49 mdz pitti: let's discuss about usplash/nvidia/amd64 after the meeting, I'm not up to date on the issues there 05:49 mdz Riddell: thanks 05:49 BenC jbailey: thanks 05:49 mdz Mithrandir: next 05:49 Mithrandir * misc: released knot 3, fixed a bunch of casper bugs. Working on some X bugs. 05:49 Mithrandir * next week: preparations for beta, mainly X and casper stuff, help Henrik get online from his new home. === mdz watches the beta milestone page grow during the meeting...;-) 05:50 Mithrandir (Henrik called me a few hours ago and needed a bit of help to get his DSL running so I'll bike out there tomorrow) 05:50 mdz Mithrandir: how close do you think knot 3 was to beta quality? 05:50 mdz Mithrandir: is the other known issue (mono and launchpad-integration?) fixed? 05:51 Mithrandir mdz: not fixed, but I think I have a fix. 05:51 Mithrandir mdz: beta quality> getting there, but not there. 05:51 ogra for edubuntu it was far from beta quality ... tomorrows iso should be though 05:51 mdz is openoffice installable yet? 05:51 Mithrandir too many small things all over the place which need small adjustments. 05:51 Mithrandir I don't think so. 05:51 Keybuk has it even built yet? 05:51 ogra there was an upload ... 05:51 mdz Keybuk: it built, but was rejected 05:52 Keybuk mdz: several built 05:52 mdz there's an email in my inbox about it which I have only skimmed 05:52 Keybuk and in fact, are still building 05:52 Kamion there's another upload which should get past the binary reject it hit 05:52 Keybuk doko nicely DoS'd the buildds by queuing multiple openoffices 05:52 Kamion but obviously it will take some time 05:52 doko_ they are building again, yes Keybuk, I know, but I don't have private buildd's 05:52 mdz oo.o+oo.o-l10n is unavoidable 05:53 ogra more buildd power ! 05:53 Keybuk doko_: <g> 05:53 mdz and those builds are needed to unblock CD production 05:53 Keybuk throw more kittens onto the fire! 05:53 ogra or dedicated ooo buildds :) 05:53 Kamion cprov volunteered another i386 buildd from the dogfood farm === mdz shovels more coal into the buildds 05:53 dholbach give doko bigger machines - he has enough space at home ;) 05:53 mdz Mithrandir: do you have a list of those small things all over the place? 05:53 Kamion if that's desirable, somebody who can say yes please should talk to him :) 05:53 doko_ just a multi cpu machine or two would help for the i386 buildd's 05:54 Mithrandir mdz: no, sorry, it was more of a general feeling. 05:54 mdz Mithrandir: it's probably about time to create a wiki page for the beta with a link to the ubuntu-6.10-milestone page + all the bits and bobs which don't deserve full bug reports 05:54 Mithrandir mdz: I'll look into that. 05:54 mdz Mithrandir: ok, thanks 05:54 mdz Mithrandir: oh, are the stacked livefs builds all happy now? 05:54 seb128 mdz: what sort of bugs should be listed for beta 05:55 mdz seb128: bugs which would make the beta suck ;-) 05:55 Mithrandir mdz: I don't think so, I haven't seen any stacks at least. Need to poke infinity about that. 05:55 mdz Mithrandir: aarrgghh 05:55 seb128 mdz: bugs like "gnome-vfs2 lists fstab devices twice because it doesn't understand the UUID= change" a beta candidate by example? 05:55 seb128 I listed them for edgy atm 05:56 mdz Mithrandir: thanks 05:56 mdz ogra: next 05:56 ogra * last-week: 05:56 ogra - knot3 testing (as good as i could before takeoff) 05:56 ogra - detriot ltsp hackfest: 05:56 ogra things fixed there: 05:56 ogra - xdmcp handling 05:56 ogra - printer handling 05:56 ogra - etherboot support out of the box (thanks jammcq) 05:56 ogra - network swap support 05:56 ogra - rdesktop handling (not in edgy, but we have a fix for edgy+1 to fully support that (thanks Gadi)) 05:56 mdz seb128: if it's very noticeable, yes 05:56 ogra - floppy handling and localdev improvenemts (thanks sbalneav) 05:56 ogra - X bugs with via driver 05:56 seb128 mdz: ok 05:56 ogra - upstream packaging training ... ltspfs upstream is maintained completely in LP now, 05:56 ogra ubuntu packaging is done in a separate branch by upstream as well 05:56 ogra (https://launchpad.net/people/sbalneav/+branch/ltspfs/ltspfs-upstream) 05:57 ogra - ltsp minimal ram requirements are 32MB now for thin clients, that gives many users that were 05:57 ogra holding back the opportunity to switch to our implementation ! :) 05:57 mdz seb128: just set importance appropriately; we'll focus on the most important bugs 05:57 ogra - we worked out an upstream roadmap for further ltsp development see http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp_roadmap.txt 05:57 ogra -- 05:57 ogra - ltsp-convergence: all prerequisites fulfilled now, merge of ltsp.org started 05:57 ogra - fixed edubuntu-artwork 05:57 ogra - fixed remaining known ltsp bugs 05:57 ogra - fixed a nasty esd regression in ltsp that prevented the second user from having sound on thin clients 05:57 ogra - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs - still need meeting with infinity ... starts to become urgent, will try to catch him asap if he returns 05:57 ogra * next-week: 05:57 ogra - find remaining bugs in ltsp 05:57 mdz ogra: the ltsp hackfest seemed both extremely productive and extremely entertaining 05:57 ogra - prepare the isos for beta release 05:57 ogra - known edubuntu RC bugs that need fixage so far: 05:57 ogra - bug 61688 05:57 Ubugtu Malone bug 61688 in lsb "[Edgy] "unbound variable" in /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61688 05:57 ogra - apparently the portmap postinst is doing an rpcinfo -p in the postinst that takes ages to complete. 05:57 ogra since thats only used to echo the portmap driven services in an info message to the cli 05:57 ogra i think we can just drop that line completely from our package 05:57 ogra - bug 61681 05:57 Ubugtu Malone bug 61681 in ubuntu-cdimage "the preseed option for static devices in netcfg for edubuntu can go" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61681 05:57 ogra - postinst change for edubuntu d-i, we dont need to default to a static IP for the first interface anymore (one line fix) 05:57 ogra mdz, oh, i forgot the initramfs issue you mailed me about ... need to fix that as well ... 05:57 ogra yeah, it was 05:57 ogra upps 05:58 mdz ogra: what changes were made to get down to 32M? 05:58 ogra that was bug 61668 05:58 Ubugtu Malone bug 61668 in portmap "Building LTSP chroot stops during portmap installation" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61668 05:58 ogra mdz, automatic nbd swap 05:58 ogra even its not our desired fully-automatic-swapserver it is fine for a start 05:58 Kamion ogra: yeah, I'll hoover up that ubuntu-cdimage bug in my general pass, it's easy 05:58 mdz ogra: congratulations on the milestone of ltsp-convergence, that's a great achievement for ubuntu 05:58 ogra (thats why the spec is set to deferred, vagrantc and me will care fir it in edgy+1) 05:59 ogra yeah 05:59 ogra redhat is the first adopter 05:59 ogra and warren even agreed to maintain everything in launchpad *g* 05:59 mdz looking forward to the writeup on that 06:00 ogra right, i wanted to do it yesterday, but somehow had no opportunity to sleep at all, to many bugs to fix before the freeze 06:00 fabbione ogra: don't be so surprised.. there are more RH developers using ubuntu and lp that you can think of 06:00 mdz ogra: 61688 doesn't have its milestone set; please set it if you consider it a blocker 06:00 mdz and Importance as well 06:00 ogra ok 06:00 Kamion I'll look at 61688 straight after the meeting 06:00 mdz ogra: thanks 06:00 ogra jammcq_laptop and sbalneav started switching to ubuntu ltsp everywhere btw 06:00 mdz fschoep: next 06:00 fschoep Done: 06:00 fschoep * ubuntu-art-polish-human-icons: contact Dave, now waiting for initial batch of icons 06:00 fschoep * firefox-themes-ubuntu: fix bugs (consider switching to Epiphany) 06:00 fschoep * looked into some other bugs 06:00 fschoep Ongoing: 06:00 fschoep * usplash-artwork: work with Seveas and msikma to get a new design in 06:00 fschoep * community-artwork: conference call with jmak and sabdfl tomorrow 06:01 fschoep * art-polish-human-gtk-theme: decide on color tweaks based on artwork direction 06:01 fschoep * sound-themes: got in touch with cbx33, will work on shortening sounds 06:01 fschoep * theme-teams: (try to) package their work 06:01 mdz fschoep: switching to epiphany -> that is so not funny :-) 06:01 fschoep mdz: no comment :) 06:01 Keybuk mdz: it'd solve potential trademark issues 06:01 Riddell fschoep: the text on the current ubuntu wallpaper needs moved up, it's covered by the panel 06:01 ogra fabbione, but not RH employees that use it for distro work (yet at least) 06:02 fschoep Riddell: thanks for spotting it 06:02 dholbach xulrunner+epiphany! yay! :) 06:02 fabbione ogra: yup.. those too :) 06:02 ogra oi 06:02 fschoep Riddell: I am trying to get it right ;) 06:02 fschoep But this does bring up an important issue 06:02 ogra dholbach++ 06:02 mdz fschoep: sounds like there is s till a lot of artwork churn. is there anything absolutely urgent which might justify an exception for the beta freeze? 06:03 fschoep mdz: yes, everything I think (not the right answer?) 06:03 fschoep mdz: I'm on the phone with Mark tomorrow 06:03 mdz fschoep: no, not the right answer 06:03 fschoep mdz: We'll pretty much have to rip out what's in there currently and create new stuff 06:03 dholbach mdz: I'll upload a human icon theme soon-ish (some added icons) 06:03 mdz fschoep: if the artwork isn't final, we'll deal with that, but we can't have it changing as we're preparing the release === Keybuk blinks at fschoep 06:04 mdz fschoep: please send me an email after the call with the outcome 06:04 fschoep mdz: We (I) tried the community approach and it kind of blew up in my face 06:04 mdz fschoep: actually, scratch that. send me the info for the call and I'll dial in 06:04 fschoep mdz: OK, I'll try to get that arranged with Claire 06:04 mdz fschoep: thanks 06:04 mdz and argh 06:04 mdz kwwii: next 06:04 kwwii Done: 06:04 kwwii made different usplash aniimation ideas...in the end decided this is something for the future 06:04 mdz kwwii: I hope you have good news ;-) 06:04 fschoep Keybuk: morituri te salutant ;) 06:04 kwwii Made new window deco buttons, gradient for window deco, wallpaper, amarok theme, metabar theme, color tweaking in kde and the window deco, new panel background. 06:04 kwwii new themeing elements in place. All in all we are very close to final 06:05 kwwii Todo: 06:05 kwwii akademy next week 06:05 kwwii finish usplash (reduce the size/form of the logo, tweak progress bar graphics) 640x480!! 06:05 kwwii about, app start, help page? 06:05 kwwii throbber for konqueror? 06:05 kwwii keep polishing where and when necessary 06:05 mdz kwwii: any final touches for beta should go in tomorrow; it's likely that we'll be locking down uploads early next week 06:05 ogra whats metabar ? 06:05 kwwii mdz: we have accomplished everything we set out to do and are outdoing ourselves 06:05 kwwii mdz: cool, I will make sure to get an updated upslash in 06:06 kwwii ogra: it is shown in the sidebar in konqueror, kinda like MS 06:06 mdz kwwii: thanks 06:06 mdz doko_: next 06:06 doko_ status: 06:06 doko_ - edgy-toolchain: implemented 06:06 doko_ - edgy-toolchain+1: no status change, opening of edgy+1 needed, 06:06 doko_ test rebuilds of the archive needed. 06:06 doko_ planning a coordinated glibc-2.5 / binutils update for not later 06:06 doko_ than Oct 6. 06:06 doko_ - python-roadmap: need to go over the list of application packages 06:06 doko_ in main, mostly bug fixes / missed syncs 06:06 doko_ - python2.5: final uploaded, extension packages are built for 06:06 doko_ 2.4 and 2.5, 2.5 will not be the default python in edgy. 06:06 doko_ - java-roadmap: classpath-0.92 based gcj in the archive, 06:06 doko_ packages providing jni bindings built natively, built 06:06 doko_ the core java packages as native (-gcj) packages. 06:06 doko_ gcj-4.2 should be removed for edgy (although we should keep it 06:06 doko_ for test builds for edgy-toolchain+1 until before the release. 06:06 doko_ - openoffice.org-l10n: delayed 06:06 doko_ this week: 06:07 doko_ - scan OOo bugs for printing related bug reports, discuss some 06:07 mdz doko_: what's the latest from infinity/soyuz regarding test rebuilds? 06:07 doko_ printing issues with tkamppeter, start OOo bug triage 06:07 doko_ - prepare and upload OOo 2.0.4, the usual build failures; binary 06:07 doko_ packages will hit the archive not before tomorrow. 06:07 doko_ - check and upload printing packages 06:07 doko_ - python2.5 final upload 06:07 doko_ - some more gcc/gcj fixes. 06:07 doko_ - other: fix python-defaults breakage, finally got tired of xfs fs 06:07 doko_ corruptions on my notebook, reinstalled edgy, recoverd my email setup. 06:07 doko_ - started SoC summary 06:07 doko_ next week: 06:07 doko_ - continue OOo bug triage 06:07 Kamion doko_: openoffice.org-l10n> "delayed" = "deferred"? or post-beta? 06:07 doko_ - OOo bug triage, focusing on python reports 06:07 doko_ mdz: no news 06:07 doko_ Kamion: deferred 06:07 Kamion ok 06:07 fabbione doko_: if you can give the packages i can do sparc toolchain easily 06:07 doko_ fabbione: ok, will do. 06:07 mdz doko_: ok, I'll make an inquiry 06:08 doko_ mdz: I'll have to coordinate with jbailey, so the time line is not yet final 06:08 mdz doko_: LP guys are forming a plan regarding opening edgy+1, I"ll talk more with kiko === diego [n=diego@168.7.253.150] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 06:10 doko_ Kamion, Keybuk: will outstanding syncs be processed a last time tomorrow before the beta freeze? 06:10 mdz I haven't read the emails about the oo.o rejects yet, but I will read and reply properly; discuss out of bnad 06:10 mdz band 06:10 mdz doko_: python2.5 final tomorrow, otherwise should probably wait until after beta 06:10 doko_ mdz: is already in 06:10 Kamion doko_: well, the beta freeze has already started 06:11 Keybuk doko_: I did a sync run earlier, were there new ones you've added? 06:11 mdz doko_: oh? I thought the last one I saw was an rc 06:11 tkamppeter mdz, doko_, will Python be switched to 2.5 in Edgy? I hope this does not break HPLIP. 06:11 Kamion doko_: but in any event I'm still waiting for the descriptions of the Ubuntu changes you're overriding for those ada and zope syncs 06:11 mdz but there it is 06:11 Kamion we need those in the bug, please 06:11 pitti tkamppeter: no, it won't 06:11 pitti tkamppeter: it's available, but not the default 06:11 mdz tkamppeter: no, default is still 2.4 06:11 doko_ Kamion: ajmitch did this for the zope packages, yes, I ahve to do that for ada 06:12 Kamion yes, please do 06:12 Kamion I can do the zope syncs if mdz's ok with that 06:12 Kamion (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/59001) 06:12 Ubugtu Malone bug 59001 in Ubuntu "sync zope packages" [Untriaged,Needs info] 06:12 mdz Kamion: I am 06:12 Kamion ok 06:12 mdz doko_: ok, thanks 06:12 doko_ then we can drop python2.3 ... even if it's universe 06:12 mdz fabbione: next 06:12 mdz doko_: yay 06:12 fabbione Done 06:12 fabbione * ubuntu-edgy-cluster: more bug fixing. Pending one bug in userland. GFS2 marke 06:12 fabbione d as experimental. Not stable enough for production. 06:12 fabbione * pkgsum.u.c: no progress 06:12 fabbione * edgy-sparc: lots of bug fixing here to get to install and run properly. Left: silo on niagara isn't very happy and a corner case where initramfs is loaded underneath the kernel. One kernel SMP bug on Niagara discovered. ETA for fixes: sometimes during next week. 06:12 fabbione * a lot of other bug fixing (mdadm in particular since it had a few regressions from dapper) 06:12 fabbione To do 06:12 fabbione * sparc bug fixing. 06:12 fabbione * Bug fixing in general. 06:12 fabbione * fire up sparc edgy rebuild of death. 06:13 fabbione Note: 06:13 fabbione * been offline most of the day. PSU on ws is dead (replacement by tomorrow) and 06:13 fabbione got laptop fixed only a few minutes ago. 06:13 fabbione (few minutes before the meeting.. now.. it's one hour ago :) 06:14 mdz fabbione: please get the sparc bugs filed and set the beta milestone so they're tracked 06:14 fabbione mdz: ok. 06:15 mdz fabbione: there was no sparc knot-3, right? 06:15 fabbione mdz: no because i come back that week and not enough time to go trough all the backlog 06:15 fabbione but we will have beta 06:15 mdz fabbione: are there dailies? 06:16 fabbione mdz: yes. 06:16 fabbione and i test from netinstall 06:16 fabbione so basically on the immediate archve snapshot 06:16 fabbione archive even 06:16 mdz have the dailies been tested? 06:16 mdz the ISOs I mean 06:16 fabbione not from me 06:16 mdz please do test them before monday 06:16 fabbione will do 06:17 mdz fabbione: thanks 06:17 mdz Keybuk: next 06:17 Keybuk Done: 06:17 Keybuk * TearDown: examined every package in main and changed some to not stop on shutdown or reboot 06:17 Keybuk * Readahead improvements 06:17 Keybuk * BootMessageLogging improvements, fsck output now displayed on console and removing "quiet" will do the right thing 06:17 Keybuk * Usplash and splash down neatening 06:17 Keybuk To do: 06:17 Keybuk * No outstanding bug fixes for beta 06:17 Keybuk * I don't yet have any release-critical bugs which have sufficient information to debug; but I'm sure I'll get some after beta :) 06:17 Keybuk * Hunt for other bugs I can fix 06:17 mdz Keybuk: prereadahead doesn't take as long as I thought it would 06:17 Keybuk prereadahead ? 06:17 mdz Keybuk: reading in the foreground 06:18 Keybuk right, it actually takes less time than reading in the background 06:18 Keybuk as then you aren't reading files twice 06:18 Keybuk and aren't thrashing the disk while trying to do other stuff 06:18 mdz it shouldn't read files twice if the list is sorted properly 06:18 Keybuk yeah, it would in the background 06:18 mdz but I think this way is more predictable anyway 06:18 Keybuk cause it'd start reading the list, while other stuff started 06:18 Keybuk which was further down the list, because the blocks were near the end of the filesystem 06:19 mdz Keybuk: if reading in the background, the list should be sorted by order of access 06:19 Keybuk then the disk head skips everywhere, which .... defeats the object 06:19 mdz but I guess it wasn't 06:19 Keybuk there's definite winnage from having the list read in disk position order 06:19 mdz Keybuk: is upstart single-user pretty happy now? 06:19 Keybuk seems to be 06:20 Keybuk it should behave as sysvinit now, both for "exit" and "shutdown" 06:20 mdz excellent 06:20 mdz Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.10-beta is a good starting point if looking for bugs to fix 06:20 mdz s/if/when/ 06:20 Keybuk yes, I've seen it === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 06:21 mdz Keybuk: ;-) thanks 06:21 mdz BenC: next 06:21 BenC * linux-kernel-crash-dump: Will end up disabling kdump on ppc64 and amd64, where it doesn't seem to work. kexec scripts to handle dumping to shell to get useful info will be uploaded with next kexec tools (non-invasive changes to normal kernel operation). 06:21 BenC * Last week (kernel): Bug crack down time. Spent 12-16 hours per day going through bug reports. Will be doing this the remainder of the release. 06:21 BenC * Next week (kernel): Nailing down critical bugs. Promoting bugs that need to be fixed before Edgy is released. 06:21 BenC * Current Major efforts: 06:21 BenC - Merging of Mactel patches. 06:21 BenC - AGP/DRM update (already done, clean merge, uploading with today's kernel). 06:21 BenC - Core 2 Duo backports from 2.6.18 (mainly to do with JMicron controllers). This should be complete now. Dozens of people can't boot Ubuntu on Core 2 Duo because of this. I'm ordering a Core 2 Duo laptop in the next couple of days, so I'll be able to do install testing on this platform. 06:21 BenC - PPC64 fixes for sata_svw crash. Fixed now. 06:21 BenC - Still working on making sure the crashes related to apport are tested and fixed. Current kernel (upload today) has fixes that should handle one type of crash, and maybe the other. Major concern is that these crashes are obviously security concerns. The fixes need to be tested very throroughly, else apport may be in jeopardy for Edgy release. 06:22 mdz I had a pretty hairy kernel day on my desktop yesterday while I was trying to get vmware working. hit the crash handler bug several times, and also some other crashes I wasn't able to capture information for 06:22 mdz it's been stable since then, but I'm uneasy 06:22 fabbione BenC: don't forget silo love for next week please :) 06:22 BenC mdz: Did you get the kernel I built for you yesterday? 06:22 pitti BenC: I'll give it some hard testing here 06:22 BenC has the fix I implemented 06:22 mdz BenC: I downloaded it but didn't have time to test yet 06:22 BenC fabbione: Ah yes, good ole silo 06:23 mdz it's on my laptop === Broken_Arrow [n=Julien@AToulon-152-1-80-228.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Quitte] 06:23 BenC mdz: apport related bugs are my #1 prio right now, I promoted one to ubuntu-6.10-beta 06:24 mdz BenC: ok, thanks 06:24 mdz zul: next 06:24 zul Done 06:24 zul * Xen0 and XenU kernels for x86. 06:24 zul * Ported xen to dapper 06:24 zul * bug fixing 06:24 zul To do 06:25 zul * Porting Xen to 2.6.17 before universe freeze. 06:25 zul * Xen0 and XenU kernels for amd64 06:25 zul * bug fixing 06:25 mdz zul: anything for the beta hit list? 06:25 zul nope not for me 06:25 BenC mdz: Chuck's trying to get the xen package to build by build-dep'ing on linux-source-2.6.17 and patching it from there, which I think we be better for security updates 06:26 BenC s/we/will/ 06:26 mdz that'd be handy, yes, if it's now updated fo r2.6.17 06:26 mdz zul: ok, thankss 06:26 mdz iwj: next 06:26 BenC zul: Let me know if you need any help with that too 06:26 iwj package-dependency-field-breaks: All complete except for the critical changes to update-manager, which I'm starting to get worried about. See also mvo's report. 06:26 iwj automated-testing-deployment: No significant change since last report. 06:26 zul BenC: sure the patch is just a bit hairy 06:26 iwj this week so far: Have spent it all wrestling trying to get firefox 1.5 into breezy as a security update. Main difficulty was an obscure string handling bug now reported upstream, for which I have a hideous workaround. Have had some conversations with timeless from the upstream community about this too but unfortunately not with any better outcome for us (so far). 06:26 iwj todo: make firefox ship xpidl again (in -dev) 06:26 iwj todo: anything but firefox! aaargh! etc. 06:27 iwj Since I wrote that timeless has provided quite a bit more useful help and I think I can actually cross-port the real fix for 1.5. 06:27 iwj pitti: So if you would reject that firefox upload from earlier ... 06:27 pitti iwj: I can't; just upload another one with a higher version 06:27 iwj OK. 06:28 mdz iwj: timeless...he was making noise on the security group list this week about patches not being sent upstream; I looked over the changelog and it seems almost entirely ubuntu-specific. did he talk with you directly? 06:28 pitti iwj: I'll do the locale package upgrading for breezy; it's a bit hairy and now I know how to do it 06:28 iwj No. I've been talking to him on IRC today and he didn't mention it. 06:28 iwj pitti: OK. 06:28 mdz iwj: anything but firefox -> interview prospective firefox gurus ;-) 06:29 iwj mdz: Quite :-). === pitti wonders whether asac would be interested 06:29 mdz pitti: I don't know who asac is, but we welcome all qualified applicants 06:29 iwj mdz: I'll do that just as soon as I don't mind losing all the state in my head about these fourteen different ff trees I'm hacking. 06:29 iwj mdz: Alexander Sack. 06:29 pitti mdz: Alexander Sack, Debian's tbird maintainer and the guy who did the last round of backporting; he does know the code pretty well 06:30 iwj We should probably invite him to throw his hat in if he's interested. 06:30 mdz pitti: if you have a dialog with him, feel free to contact him 06:30 pitti then again, he's aware of the job offer and didn't ask me so far 06:30 pitti yes, I'm talking to him quite often, but he didn't express interest so far; will ask him more directly, I guess :) 06:30 Kamion sometimes it does no harm to invite people explicitly 06:30 iwj pitti: Yes, do. 06:30 mdz pitti: perhaps a subtle hint ;-) 06:31 Kamion the best people often underestimate their own abilities 06:31 mdz Kamion: unless they're known to believe that we eat children 06:31 pitti 'We're screwed, fix Ubuntu, kthxbye' 06:31 mdz Kamion: agreed regarding underestimation though 06:31 mdz that goes for all the job postings currently up 06:31 iwj Dammit, we eat children ? Where's my share ? 06:31 mdz tell your friends 06:32 mdz we are looking for the best === diego [n=diego@168.7.253.150] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 06:32 mdz I think that's all for today 06:32 mdz any other brief business? 06:32 Riddell no kees? 06:32 mdz Riddell: I believe he starts next week 06:32 Riddell ok === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-169-064.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 06:32 Kamion he joined earlier and I think he's been watching 06:32 Kamion (hi!) 06:32 pitti Riddell: next Wednesday 06:33 pitti yeah, I invited him to see the general format 06:33 mdz ok, great 06:33 mdz thanks, everyone 06:33 mdz adjourned
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