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09:49   mdz     good evening, all
09:49   BenC    hey mdz
09:54   Mithrandir      mdz: are we going to do the usual paste or something else this time around?
09:56   dholbach        shouldn't everybody have read the agenda before? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20070201
09:56   BenC    Mithrandir: I think the idea of the agenda was to avoid it
09:56   dholbach        not sure if pasting still makes sense then
09:56   Keybuk  we're not doing the pasting afaik
09:56   Mithrandir      ok
09:57   Mithrandir      I won't prepare one, then. :-)
09:57   mdz     Mithrandir: no pasting
09:57   Keybuk  mdz: are you going to drive?
09:57   mdz     sure
09:58   mdz     just getting set up
09:59   mc44    wow crazy new format. How exciting :)
09:59   mdz     roll call?
09:59   mvo     hello
09:59   ogra_   oh, damned, new format ...
10:00   mdz     if you arrived or spoke in the past 10 minutes, I've got you; otherwise, please let me know you're here
10:00   iwj     So let's see how quickly we can manage this :-).
10:00   sfllaw  cjwatson: I added a link to DevelTeamMeetings on the agenda page.
10:00   cjwatson        sfllaw: thanks, I forgot
10:01   mdz     cjwatson: did heno mention whether he could make it?
10:01   mdz     ah, that's everyone then
10:01   cjwatson        ... I won't bother answering that then. :)
10:02   mdz     heno: didn't see you come in, sorry
10:02   mdz     ok
10:02   mdz     the meeting agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20070201
10:02   mdz     please have a look
10:03   mdz     if you have any new agenda items, shout
10:03   Keybuk  (everyone should read the activity reports there; if you have items to add to the agenda as a result of reading those, now is the time)
10:03   cjwatson        from now on we'll generally mail it out on the day of the meeting - probably not before the tail-end of Thursday morning though, as it takes time to prepare
10:04   BenC    mdz: What about removals?
10:04   sfllaw  Can we get a decision about what to do about -commercial support?  I'm unclear about it as is jbailey.
10:04   mdz     BenC: likewise
10:04   dholbach        I think we can drop point 7, right pitti?
10:04   BenC    mdz: apport/kernel, done
10:04   BenC    mdz: d-d-m maybe discuss, but being defered
10:04   mdz     ogra: you took the wiki lock; that means you get to do all the edits :-)
=== pitti just wrote a followup on distro-team@ and closed two feisty sprint things on the wiki page
10:05   ogra    mdz, already released
10:05   cjwatson        sfllaw: clarify?
10:05   Keybuk  ogra: please note, don't add items (or reports) to that wiki page -- instead mail them by the end of wednesday if you wish them to be included
10:05   pitti   dholbach: if the ML is the right place (as opposed to blackmailing kwwii), that's fine for me
10:05   dholbach        hahaha :-)
10:05   sfllaw  We have no way to track bugs in the BTS, and have no idea how to escalate bugs to the appropriate people to fix them.
10:05   seb128  mdz: easy codec installation can be marked done as well
10:05   ogra    Keybuk, ok, sorry, the new process somewhat went past me ...
10:05   sfllaw  Right now, they're getting dropped on the floor, which is lousy for user-experience.
10:05   mdz     BenC: done how?
10:06   BenC    mdz: apport/kernel stuff should be in Herd 3
10:06   sfllaw  cjwatson: Perhaps this isn't appropriate for the DevelTeamMeeting, though.
10:06   pitti   mdz: feisty's apport package is prepared for new behaviour for a while and should automatically switch over
10:06   mdz     BenC: oh, the new kernel interface you mean?
10:06   pitti   yup
10:06   cjwatson        sfllaw: I think that probably requires discussion with launchpad folks; perhaps mail distro-team and we can prepare something to pass to launchpad@
10:06   BenC    mdz: unless that's in regards to kernel calling apport for crashes
10:06   mdz     BenC: I thought you meant that, yeah
10:06   pitti   mdz: I tested it with a locally built kernel on the sprint
10:07   pitti   mdz: apporting kernel oopses is in apport bzr head (not uploaded due to freeze)
10:07   cjwatson        sfllaw: (I have some crude ideas but I don't want to brainstorm in this meeting)
10:07   mdz     pitti: ooh
10:07   mdz     ok, I've updated the agenda
10:07   BenC    we need a marker for changing topics in regards to the agenda
10:08   Keybuk  BenC: ?
10:08   BenC    like **CHANGING TOPIC: foo.***
10:08   BenC    so it's easy to follow
10:08   pitti   mdz: malone cloakroom is done, too
10:08   mdz     yes, that would be helpful
10:08   Keybuk  it's a wiki. just diff it :p
10:08   mdz     pitti: please go ahead and make your edits; I thought you said you already had
10:08   BenC    no, I mean in the channel :P
10:08   sfllaw  BenC: That's a clever idea.
10:08   pitti   mdz: the other wiki
10:08   BenC    while we discuss
10:08   mdz     Keybuk: he means to highlight proposals for new agenda items
10:08   mdz     oh, no he doesn't
10:09   Keybuk  we should keep the discussion to a minimum at this point :p
10:09   mdz     he means to delineate the conversation
10:09   BenC    right
10:09   cjwatson        TIMEOUT on new agenda items
10:09   mdz     agreed
10:09   BenC    there we go
10:09   pitti   mdz: done
10:09   mdz     first up: new archive team
10:09   mdz     new rule: all agenda items must have a person associated with them :-)
10:09   cjwatson        pitti is fully enfranchised; I've sent an RT request for seb128 as well
10:09   kylem   that's a good rule.
10:10   mdz     https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive
10:10   Keybuk  sorry, this was me from two or three different pastes
10:10   pitti   since I'm a fresh addition, and seb128 will follow soon, and Scott and Colin won't have so much time any more, I think we shuold get a new 'archive days'
10:10   seb128  agreed
10:10   Keybuk  Who are the new archive members; what are their general responsibilities and who is doing which day?
10:10   pitti   I became comfortable with SRUs and syncs
10:10   mdz     I'll add seb128 to LP
10:10   pitti   and I need to find some time with cjwatson to do langpack uploads as well
10:10   pitti   but I didn't do NEW yet
10:10   seb128  I'm happy to do binary new and syncs
10:11   iwj     Keybuk: These are good questions.  Perhaps the new archive team will send an announcement of new responsibilties, times, etc. ?
10:11   cjwatson        ACTION: cjwatson to train pitti in langpack upload procedure
10:11   mdz     are the syncs generally more complete now that we codified the policy?
10:11   pitti   seb128, Mithrandir: can we meet tomorrow for figuring out new archive days? say, 1000 UTC?
10:11   seb128  pitti: WFM
10:11   Mithrandir      I'm happy to help new members where they feel that they're not confident yet.
10:11   mdz     ACTION: followup meeting for archive team to discuss archive days
10:11   pitti   mdz: I had to reject/needinfo very few so far
10:11   Mithrandir      pitti: sure.
=== Keybuk is keeping track of actions
10:12   Keybuk  ok
10:12   cjwatson        help new members> as am I
10:12   Keybuk  next item?
10:12   cjwatson        (pitti) Artwork procedure: Martin would like to get an official Icon for apport, how do we get these kinds of things done?
10:12   Mithrandir      Keybuk: just a sec
10:12   pitti   <dholbach> pitti: for the official apport icon, I'd just ask the folks on ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
10:12   doko_   joining ...
10:12   Mithrandir      I'd really like to have one of the new members to become comfortable with source NEW as well, or I'll implode at some point.
10:12   pitti   if that implies any chance of actually getting one, I'm fine with the ML
10:12   mdz     pitti: kwwii is the person to talk to about that
10:13   kwwii   pitti: we can discuss this offline
10:13   pitti   kwwii: sure
10:13   pitti   ACTION: pitti and kwwii discuss apport artwork
10:13   mdz     tell him your need, and he can submit it to the community, track submissions, and perhaps be a fallback to create an icon if none turns up
10:13   mdz     (BenC) Fate of udev. Will kernel team take it over, or will Ian? Admittedly, udev should work as-is for feisty, but I want to know if in the future we should expect to do changes ourselves, or be able to go to another person taking the responsibility. Trying to account for workload.
10:13   pitti   Keybuk: you'll collect those with /lastlog ACTION or so?
10:13   mdz     pitti: he's noting them as we go
10:13   iwj     I'd be happy to help deal with it.
10:14   cjwatson        ACTION: archive team to ensure that at least one further member is trained in source NEW
10:14   Keybuk  udev is mostly a hands off project
10:14   iwj     I'm still a beginner as regards udev and not up to speed with kernel development nowadays.
10:14   Keybuk  it just needs updating in step with the kernel
10:14   BenC    iwj: Deal with it totally?
10:14   iwj     Keybuk: That sounds good.
=== pitti has some experience with source package review with MIR and thus could help out
10:14   Keybuk  and bugs rejected if they ask for package names
10:14   iwj     BenC: If what Keybuk says is true then yes.
10:14   Keybuk  uh
10:14   Keybuk  device names
10:14   mdz     Keybuk: it also needs someone to help isolate problems
10:14   BenC    iwj: Are you using udev? :)
10:14   cjwatson        pitti: I think you'd be the obvious person
10:14   iwj     BenC: On my Ubuntu systems, yes.
10:14   pitti   cjwatson: *nod*
10:15   Mithrandir      pitti: we'll discuss it tomorrow at 1000 utc
10:15   BenC    ok, I'm happy with iwj taking on udev
10:15   Keybuk  my gut feeling has been that someone on Colin's team, ideally the kernel team, should take it on
10:15   kylem   me too.
10:15   Keybuk  as it's an upstream project, and very closely related to the kernel
10:15   Keybuk  but I'm also happy for someone like iwj to take it on as well
10:15   iwj     I don't really have an opinion.
10:15   BenC    I was actually looking for more kernel realted packages for the kernel-team, but if someone else has the notion, Im not against it
10:15   mdz     I agree that it makes sense for the kernel team to own it
10:15   cjwatson        I agree with mdz
10:16   iwj     BenC: Well, if you guys want it don't let me stand in your way.
10:16   seb128  pitti: I'm not that comfortable doing source NEW for now, I would prefer to stick to binary new and syncs to start if that's fine with you
10:16   mdz     BenC: the kernel team has the most resources at the moment, with new folks coming on board
10:16   iwj     I'll probably still take a slight interest.
10:16   pitti   seb128: I am, let's talk about it tomorrow
10:16   cjwatson        I have no objection to stuff being arranged so that iwj can help out
10:16   seb128  pitti: ok
10:16   BenC    mdz: Right, we need work load fillers, and things to take off the daily bug grind
10:16   Keybuk  iwj has already proved very useful in touching things that interface with udev, like lvm, etc.
10:16   mdz     naturally, it wouldn't be an exclusive responsibility; anyone who is interested can help out
10:16   cjwatson        but I'd like the kernel team to own stuff that touches very closely on kernelspace from the userspace side
10:16   iwj     mdz: Right.
10:16   cjwatson        (as a general guideline)
10:17   pitti   does that also include the current pile of udev specs?
10:17   BenC    yes
10:17   iwj     pitti: Let's discuss them later.
10:17   cjwatson        pitti: not for feisty, but going forward yes
10:17   Keybuk  ACTION: keybuk to summarise a "how to maintain udev" for the kernel team, and "how to debug problems" for all interested parties
10:17   mdz     agreed, I'd like for the kernel team to take a general responsibility for hardware-related interfaces in userspace as well
10:17   cjwatson        ok, done?
10:18   cjwatson        (sfllaw) Support for -commercial
10:18   mdz     Keybuk: debugging doc should be run by sfllaw and bdmurray
10:18   BenC    ACTION: kernel-team to investigate packages that fit into their work
10:18   BenC    horde everything possible
10:18   pitti   BenC: hal :-P
10:18   mdz     both for their own information and for review for presentation to the community
10:18   BenC    heh, ouch
10:18   cjwatson        (I thought this was going to go to the ML, but it's ended up on the agenda now)
10:18   kylem   lsscsi, lspcmcia, etc.
10:18   mdz     I added it to the agenda
10:18   cjwatson        21:10 <cjwatson> I think the simplest approach would be to create an ubuntu-commercial distro
10:18   cjwatson        21:10 <cjwatson> (name unimportant as long as it contains "commercial")
10:18   mdz     sfllaw: the issue is that these packages aren't in launchpad, yes?
10:18   cjwatson        21:11 <sfllaw> That doesn't solve how escalations work...  What I'm saying is I have no idea what the procedure is.
10:18   cjwatson        21:12 <cjwatson> it would solve the problem of being unable to file bugs, and make it possible for people to be bug contacts
10:18   cjwatson        21:13 <cjwatson> which would mean that you could look them up, and complain (to the uploader, or to distro management since only distro team can upload to -commercial) when no bug contacts were registered
10:19   cjwatson        21:13 <cjwatson> anyway, let's do this on distro-team@
10:19   mdz     it would be better to import the package names into an Ubuntu component somehow
10:19   mdz     anyway, agreed, let's take it up with launchpad
10:19   mdz     cjwatson: your action item to follow it up?
10:19   cjwatson        sure
10:19   mdz     ok
10:19   mdz     done and done
10:19   sfllaw  I'll e-mail distro-team@ and we can discuss.
10:19   sfllaw  Thanks.
10:20   cjwatson        ACTION: cjwatson to follow up handling of -commercial in Launchpad
10:20   mdz     udev, device-mapper, lvm, evms, mdadm, etc. finishing and testing (Ian, Fabio, Scott)
10:20   iwj     Re udev-* specs.  I this was unblocked but actually Keybuk tells me he has a 104 package floating about.
10:20   iwj     udev-104, that is.
10:20   cjwatson        what does 104 get us?
10:20   cjwatson        though it is pre-UVF, granted
10:20   iwj     I don't really know.  The upstream changelog was rather obscure.
10:20   Keybuk  it may fix problems with .20 and device-mapper devices
10:20   iwj     `problems' ?
10:20   pitti   Keybuk: oh, the race condition? fixed upstream now?
10:21   iwj     I think the best thing here is for Keybuk to finish and upload his 104 package and then for me to take these specs and finish them off.
10:21   Keybuk  agreeed
10:21   mdz     104 is required to finish the specs?
10:21   Keybuk  no
10:22   Keybuk  it's orthagonal
10:22   mdz     iwj: then those should be parallel, not serial
10:22   iwj     But if it changes the way the dm-* devices are handled then it would involve rework to do 104 later.
10:22   Keybuk  it doesn't change it in any way that affects your specs
10:22   iwj     Keybuk: Err, OK.  I must have misunderstood some of your earlier comments.
10:22   iwj     (In private message this afternoon, I mean.)
10:23   mdz     ok, sounds like the two of you can work this out offline?
10:23   iwj     I'll press on basing things on 103 then.
10:23   iwj     mdz: Yes.
10:23   Keybuk  it simply reduces the number of times your rules would be called from twice (once on dmsetup, once after the table is loaded) to once after the table is loaded (or changed)
10:23   mdz     Device Driver Manager (Scott, Ben)
10:23   Keybuk  mdz: we've decided to defer that to +1, I believe
10:23   cjwatson        we dealt with that the other day, it's deferred to feisty+1
10:23   cjwatson        NEXT
10:23   mdz     ok
10:23   BenC    device-driver-manager is going to be defered
10:23   mdz     Automated testing deployment (Ian, Robert)
10:23   iwj     In progress, I'm debugging my code.
10:24   iwj     I'm not sure why Robert is on this agenda item.
10:24   mdz     BenC: it will be nice to have some time to polish up the UI, I'm sure
10:24   iwj     Are there two separate things going on here ?
10:24   cjwatson        iwj: that was copied from the sprint agenda
10:24   mdz     there's no hurry to get it in just now
10:24   iwj     mdz: OK.
10:24   BenC    mdz: Definitely
10:24   mdz     this is a list of items from the sprint agenda which had no outcome recorded
10:25   iwj     Right, well, Robert and I discussed all relevant things and that sprint agenda item should count as done.
10:25   mdz     iwj: I understand you and lifeless did have a conversation about this; what's the outlook?
10:25   keescook        iwj: keep me in the loop on auto testing docs please; I've been building tests while doing security update tests.  I want to make sure the stuff pitti and I have been doing will be each to port over.
10:25   iwj     keescook: Noted.
10:25   cjwatson        in many cases we simply didn't notice that the sprint item should be marked as done, and that's fine - just want to ensure they're all checked
10:26   pitti   keescook: I prepared a new dovecot package with the test included and autopkgtest'ified and sent it to iwj
10:26   iwj     mdz: We did have a conversation but the commonality between what we're doing isn't huge right now.  But we're keeping each other informed so there won't be duplicated work.
10:26   iwj     pitti: Right.  That's going to be my second testcase after I get mawk working.
10:26   mdz     iwj: the point of it was that he's available to help us with initiatives like this
10:26   pitti   iwj: cool :)
10:26   keescook        pitti: right; I just want to know what the Right methods are for autopkgtest'ifying.  :)
10:26   iwj     mdz: He has offered to review my Python :-).
10:27   iwj     keescook: Indeed.
10:27   BenC    mdz, cjwatson, Keybuk: So for next week, will the actions items from this meeting be on the agenda, and we can mark them in the wiki as done to avoid discussion?
10:27   cjwatson        BenC: yes
10:27   iwj     When I get dovecot working I'll have an update for you and updated docs too.
10:27   BenC    excellent
10:27   cjwatson        "actions from previous meeting" is a standing item
10:27   mdz     BenC: they'll be sent out to the mailing list after this meeting, and responses can be incorporated when we make the next agenda
10:27   mdz     Integrate update-silo that's outside of SPARC installer scope (spec is already implemented). (Fabio, Ben)
10:27   keescook        iwj: great, thank you.  :)
10:27   cjwatson        Fabio is travelling; BenC?
10:27   Keybuk  mdz: fabio is on his way to montreal right now
10:27   BenC    no work on that yet
10:28   BenC    I have a working script, just need to get it into the installer and into silo
10:28   sfllaw  He is set to arrive at the airport at around 19:00.
10:28   mdz     what's it about?  is it needed for feisty?
10:28   sfllaw  I believe jbailey is going to have dinner with him.
10:28   BenC    Fabio was going to do the installer bits
10:28   BenC    getting into silo is just an upload away
10:28   BenC    mdz: It's not required, no
10:28   BenC    just a useful update-grub-like script
10:28   cjwatson        we don't really need to track it as an action, then
10:28   BenC    no, not really
10:29   mdz     being a nice-to-have for sparc makes it a pretty low priority
10:29   cjwatson        it makes the sparc post-install boot sequence less sucky, but ...
10:29   mdz     Braille support and making access in GDM just work (Henrik, ?)
10:29   BenC    very low-prio, on the verge of can-do-without
10:29   cjwatson        ACTION: cjwatson to re-review and incorporate braille-setup into installer
10:29   cjwatson        (probably easier than any alternative)
10:30   heno    so braille support should be ok for FF, but GDM is looking to be a pain
10:30   cjwatson        "UNCERTAIN: access-gdm -- ATM selecting the accessible login option in the setup GUI completely breaks GDM. This can likely be fixed with some love, but even then it's only in the non-themed interface, not our default."
10:30   heno    upstream needs to implement support in the themed version
10:30   cjwatson        (heno's update)
10:31   mdz     heno: is this a regression from edgy?
10:31   heno    perhaps we should grey out the check box when the themed version is selected
10:31   heno    mdz: no, it has never worked
10:31   cjwatson        themed> as in the fancy greeter?
10:31   heno    cjwatson: yes, the one we use
10:32   heno    youcan get the old one to work with some tweaking, ut nobody uses that
10:32   heno    it defeats the purpose IMO
10:32   mdz     heno: assume you'll track it and take the best course available for feisty.  is there more to discuss?
10:32   heno    mdz: no, that's fine
10:33   mdz     ok
10:33   mdz     doko isn't here, so we should carry his over
10:33   cjwatson        IIRC it was reviewing the list of modules in main and deciding which still make sense
10:33   mdz     pitti,keescook: I'm assuming InitialUbuntuCVETracking isn't done in launchpad yet?
10:33   cjwatson        but yes
10:33   doko    mdz: I'm listening
10:33   pitti   mdz: right, low prio and blocked on InitialCVETracking LP spec
10:34   mdz     cjwatson: yes, that sounds like a discussion which should be had via mail with a larger group, say on ubuntu-devel
10:34   mdz     Herd milestone progress (Tollef, Jonathan, Scott, Colin?, Matt?)
10:34   Keybuk  that was just that I wanted to discuss some things with them both
10:34   Keybuk  I have done that
10:34   mdz     Keybuk: anything notable for the group?
10:34   Riddell Kubuntu is ready to go as far as I'm concerned
10:34   cjwatson        mdz: yes, it was to be a group discussion but never happened
=== ogra is still testing
10:35   mdz     cjwatson: mailing list moderation?
10:35   cjwatson        doko: as mdz says, ubuntu-devel is probably the best bet, now that it's moderated and hopefully won't descend into bikeshedding
10:35   Keybuk  mdz: nothing of note; mostly it was just making sure that I get updates of the milestone progress so I can tell you when you ask :)
10:36   mdz     Mithrandir: what do you think of having a milestone readiness update at each meeting, so we can stay informed of blockers and todos?
10:36   cjwatson        we didn't get round to that at the sprint. Who here is interested in doing mailing list moderation on a regular basis? The item was to ensure we're all doing it in roughly the same way.
10:36   Keybuk  cjwatson: Other Business
10:36   cjwatson        ubuntu-devel, chiefly
10:36   cjwatson        Keybuk: uh, it's an agenda item
10:36   mdz     I'm interested, but have no time
10:36   mdz     do we have written guidelines?
10:36   mdz     I can help with that
10:37   Mithrandir      mdz: that would be useful, but probably more as something where people tell me about problems
10:37   cjwatson        IIRC Tollef expressed interest
10:37   Keybuk  cjwatson: ah, sorry, didn't see the item :p
10:37   dholbach        I moderated like 10 mailing lists already and feel that's enough already. :-/
10:37   cjwatson        I don't think we do, but we should
10:37   cjwatson        aside from the charter
10:37   mdz     cjwatson: this strikes me as something which would benefit from community participation
10:37   Mithrandir      cjwatson: I'm happy to.
10:37   heno    I'm happy to moderate, given some guidelines
10:37   mdz     cjwatson: can you contact jono and ask him to put out a call?
10:38   cjwatson        ACTION: cjwatson to chase up the set of core-devs who can help moderate ubuntu-devel and arrange for clear documentation
10:38   mdz     cjwatson: perhaps not too broad; we only want folks we can trust with the responsibility
10:38   mdz     shouldn't have to be only core devs
10:38   cjwatson        I think core-dev is the appropriate restriction
10:38   mdz     if we write clear guidelines
10:38   cjwatson        most of the people I'd automatically trust with it are already core-dev
10:38   mdz     ACTION: mdz to codify mailing list guidelines
10:39   mdz     Kubuntu Dist Upgrader (Michael, Jonathan)
=== Mithrandir mumbles something about that mailman should just use lp for authentication
10:39   Riddell waiting for mvo to upload
10:39   mvo_    I merged jonathans code into the main tree
10:39   mvo_    will be uploaded after herd-3
10:39   Riddell then it needs backported and lots of testing
10:40   cjwatson        is it qt4?
10:40   Riddell cjwatson: no, it needs the embedded konsole widget from KDE
10:40   cjwatson        probably just as well
10:41   cjwatson        any actions from this beyond what mvo and Riddell are going to do anyway?
10:41   Riddell only poking archive admin when it needs to get into -proposed and -updates
10:41   cjwatson        ok, that's routine
10:41   Riddell yep
10:41   cjwatson        ANY OTHER BUSINESS
10:42   BenC    wow, 15 minutes to spare
10:42   mdz     yes
10:42   pitti   some feedback for the meeting style: I found it significantly less boring
10:42   Riddell we can now poke iwj about main inclusion reviews?
10:42   iwj     This new meeting format is a massive improvement.  With practice we can trim it even more.
10:42   iwj     Riddell: Yes.
10:42   BenC    pitti: as did I
10:42   mdz     heno: herd 3 will be the dry run of the new ISO testing scheme, yes?
10:42   cjwatson        this one will be unusually long due to the sprint followup, I think
10:43   pitti   less reading, more discussion, ++
10:43   Riddell iwj: kde-style-polyester in the queue if you want an easy one
10:43   mdz     Riddell: the screenshot in your activity summary is very nice looking
10:43   BenC    I actually stopped working during this meeting :)
10:43   iwj     cjwatson: Quite.  And we'll get more practice at getting stuff off the agenda.
10:43   heno    mdz: yes, we are already using it. 6-7 community results so far
10:43   iwj     Riddell: OK, but not now, because I'm off to the pub.  Email me ?
10:43   pitti   iwj: I cleaned up the queue a bit yesterday
10:43   cjwatson        I need to help abattoir out with a few things
10:43   iwj     pitti: I saw.
10:43   Riddell iwj: sure
10:43   cjwatson        in order to get that properly mergeable I need to finish off a timezone branch I have in progress
10:43   iwj     Or ping me on irc tomorrow.  Whatever you like.
10:43   heno    We should keep it open after the release as well, to get people used to it
10:43   mdz     heno: we should use it for canonical testing as well
10:44   heno    mdz: we are :)
10:44   cjwatson        which basically amounts to admitting that I won't get round to merging oem-config into ubiquity this time round and clone-and-hacking from u6y instead
10:44   Riddell cjwatson: let me know if I can help with anything there
10:44   iwj     Thanks everyone, esp cjwatson and Keybuk, for efficiency and bevity.  And goodnight all.
10:44   kwwii   pitti: send me an email with any ideas/info about the icon you need...then let's talk in chat about it
10:44   heno    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/+bugs
10:44   Keybuk  == Apologies ==
10:44   Keybuk  ## One advantage of this meeting format is we get to list who's not coming.
10:44   Keybuk  meh
10:44   pitti   kwwii: great, will do
10:44   Keybuk  I meant to say
10:44   mdz     we have a couple of new folks
10:44   Keybuk  I'll mail out the action points to distro-team, and update the meeting page
10:45   pitti   Keybuk: yay for two clipboards under X? :-)
10:45   cjwatson        oh yes, we missed new starters off the agenda
10:45   mdz     Philip Lougher (pkl_) joins the kernel team with BenC and kylem
10:45   cjwatson        that's Phillip
=== pitti hugs pkl_
=== kylem waves to pkl.
10:45   Keybuk  pitti: yay to firefox slapping over both of them
10:45   BenC    pkl_: welcome
=== dholbach high-fives pkl_
10:45   Riddell hi pkl_
10:45   mdz     you may know him from SquashFS
10:45   ogra    welcome pkl_
10:45   Keybuk  pkl_: welcome aboard
10:45   pkl_    Hi, I'm lurking, just learning
10:45   mdz     today is his first day
=== keescook waves "hi" to pkl_
10:45   cjwatson        pkl_: thanks for showing up at short notice, and I hope things are going well
10:46   cjwatson        have fun scaling the learning curve
10:46   pkl_    cjwatson: thanks
10:46   mdz     likewise, Alexander Sack is new on the team
10:46   cjwatson        Ben is mentoring Phillip
10:46   cjwatson        Ian is mentoring Alexander
10:46   mdz     I believe his nick is asac
10:46   dholbach        Rock on asac! another member of the 'german mafia' :-)
10:47   cjwatson        Alexander is joining as our new Mozilla maintainer, which fills a much-needed gap
10:47   kwwii   oh please, here go the germans
10:47   bdmurray        dholbach: not the Cargo Cult?
=== dholbach hugs kwwii
10:47   BenC    asac: welcome
10:47   mdz     asac isn't able to be at this after-hours meeting tonight, but will be around tomorrow
10:47   tkamppeter__    Has Ubuntu already more german developers than Novell/SuSE?
10:48   kwwii   dholbach: we've got to plan that artwork meeting in Berlin
10:48   cjwatson        oh, also, Alexander is half-time at present; I imagine we'll get used to his schedule, but he's agreed to set up a calendar
10:48   dholbach        kwwii: definitely :)
10:48   ogra    yay, hey asac
10:48   mdz     ok, that's all from me tonight
10:48   cjwatson        I think that's everything
10:48   mdz     any other business?
10:48   sfllaw  Summaries of action items in the wiki page?
10:49   cjwatson        I don't think I informed Till properly of the new meeting arrangements, so I'll do that
10:49   cjwatson        Keybuk was to do the summaries
10:50   mdz     summaries?
10:50   Keybuk  sfllaw: already done
10:50   mdz     oh
10:50   sfllaw  Sweet!
=== sfllaw hugs Keybuk.
10:50   Keybuk  and mailed to distro-team
10:50   mdz     Keybuk: please mail to the list as well
10:50   mdz     :-)
10:50   tkamppeter__    cjwatson, i have seen that no one pastes his report any more.
10:50   cjwatson        tkamppeter__: I'll e-mail you, sorry for forgetting that this week
10:50   mdz     tkamppeter__: we're trying something new
10:51   tkamppeter__    And I really did not get any mail about the new format.
10:51   cjwatson        you didn't, my fault
10:51   mdz     tkamppeter__: cjwatson will explain to you after the meeting
10:51   mdz     I'm not hearing any other business
10:51   mdz     so let's adjourn
10:51   mdz     thanks, all!
10:51   Keybuk  thanks all
10:51   dholbach        good night folks - thanks all
10:51   mvo_    good night everyone
10:52   seb128  'night
10:52   kylem   night.
10:52   doko    night
10:52   ogra    thanks
=== keescook waves
10:52   kwwii   night all, thanks
10:52   pitti   thanks all!
10:52   pkl_    good night