UbuntuDev_2006-05-11
10:00 mdz time to get started
=== pitti calls doko
10:01 mdz will SMS BenC
10:01 fabbione somebody sends an SMS to benc?
10:01 fabbione score
10:01 mdz sfllaw: you're up first
10:01 sfllaw Backwards again?
10:01 sfllaw STATISTICS
10:01 sfllaw ==========
10:01 sfllaw Since last week's Distro meeting...
10:01 sfllaw Unconfirmed and unassigned bugs of severity >= normal: 1218 -> 1152
10:01 sfllaw Needs Info bugs: 1341 -> 1356
10:01 sfllaw Dapper bugs: 106 -> 104
10:01 sfllaw Bugs without packages: 1056 -> 998
10:01 sfllaw Ever since we started the current Bug Day, until now, we have closed 316 bugs.
10:01 sfllaw SUMMARY
10:01 sfllaw =======
10:01 sfllaw Bug triaging, bug triaging, bug triaging.
10:01 sfllaw Met with lifeless and BenC about kernel bug triaging.
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10:02 sfllaw Organised stuff in the wiki to support bug triaging.
10:02 sfllaw Collected volunteers to do bug triaging, and then trained them.
10:02 sfllaw To do: Create the dial-up team.
10:02 sfllaw And more triaging.
10:02 pitti doko's mobile is off, sorry
10:03 infinity pitti: The same doko who just joined the channel?
10:03 mdz pitti: he just joined
10:03 pitti oh, heh; doko: good morning :)
10:03 Riddell "dial-up team" good idea, kppp needs some testing
10:03 sfllaw I should probably fix my WvDial bugs too, eh?
10:03 infinity sfllaw: Yes please, so I can sync your Debian changes.
10:04 mdz sfllaw: might want to skip the headings and otherwise shorten your paste, so it doesn't get so throttled
10:04 sfllaw Ah. I wasn't ready, so I was typing the summary on the fly.
10:04 sfllaw I expected to be on the end, this week.
10:04 mdz aha
10:04 mdz sfllaw: when there are stragglers, we often start at the opposite end ;-)
10:05 mdz sfllaw: thanks for the stats
10:05 mdz wiki is looking good as well
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10:05 mdz seb128: next?
10:05 seb128 this week: bugs triage and fixing (still lot of new bugs, not easy to keep up with dholbach busy on icons and other stuff most of the time)
10:05 seb128 next week: bugs triage and fixing
10:06 pitti seb128: that's 100% the same as last week :)
10:06 mdz dholbach: I asked mvo to see if he could help you with icons
10:06 seb128 pitti: yeah, my weeks are boring :p
10:06 dholbach mdz: yes, I'll chat with him after the meeting - thanks.
10:06 seb128 pitti: but I didn't mention dholbach being busy previous week I think
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10:06 mdz seb128: any new bugs of note?
10:07 seb128 "of note"?
10:07 pitti seb128: I think I shall find some time this week to tackle the gnomevfs naming weirdness, maybe with some hints from you
10:07 mdz seb128: worth mentioning
10:07 seb128 pitti: would be nice :)
10:07 seb128 mdz: not really, most of new bugs are duplicates or minor issues
10:07 mdz that's my impression as well
10:07 seb128 mdz: the number of dapper milestoned bugs is going down
10:07 seb128 which is good :)
10:07 dholbach yeah
10:08 mdz seb128: thanks
10:08 mdz Riddell: next?
10:08 Riddell done: flight 7 testing, linuxtag meetings, memory requirements testing, breezy upgrade testing, bugfixing, ubiquity programming
10:08 Riddell also: testing heno's winfoss (really nice), testing new adept
10:08 Riddell next week: bug triage and fixing
10:08 mdz Riddell: happy with ubiquity now?
10:09 Riddell mdz: I've some changes to push today but yes it's working well
10:10 mdz Riddell: I came across that old ICEauthority ownership bug and thought it warranted a look for dapper; any other long-standing bugs that deserve attention for the release?
10:11 Riddell changing timezones needs to be looked at, it doesn't make the symlinks correctly
10:11 Kamion ubiquity worldclock needs to be sorted out or deferred
10:11 Kamion and the qtparted comes-up-with-the-wrong-size bug needs to be sorted
10:11 pitti mdz: in kubuntu? gdm has a function for sanitizing .ICEauthority, this could be copied if necessary (it's not nice, but works)
10:11 Riddell pitti: interesting
10:11 Kamion Riddell: would you mind subscribing to ubiquity bugmail? a lot of the new ones coming in are KDE-specific
10:11 Riddell Kamion: probably deferred
10:12 pitti Riddell: let's talk after the meeting if you want
10:12 mdz pitti: I referred to bug #8785
10:12 Riddell Kamion: ok (although any that mention kde already come though to me)
10:12 Ubugtu Malone bug 8785 in kdelibs "kdeinit changes ownership of ~/.ICEauthority if run via (a kde program via) sudo" [Major,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/8785
10:12 Kamion Riddell: they do? you don't show up as subscribed
10:12 Kamion oh, you have a mad ubuntu-bugs filter I guess
10:12 Riddell Kamion: I filter ubuntu-ubugs on kde and kubuntu
10:13 Riddell mdz: that one should be fixed, will investigate
10:13 mdz Riddell: yes, I know; I made the fix ;-)
10:13 mdz it was 1.5 years old and seemed to generate a lot of questions on the lists and forums
10:14 mdz anyway, something to look for as you're browsing the bug list. fixing that sort of bug is a win for polish
10:14 mdz Riddell: thanks
10:14 mdz pitti: next?
=== ogra always thought that was an exclusive k3b bug
10:14 pitti reducing-duplication: no progress since last week
10:14 pitti firewall: bounty deadline is over; I contacted Carsten three weeks ago, and again last week; the final settlements with his uni got delayed a bit because he got ill, but now he is well and up again and promised to contact me soon
10:14 pitti general stuff done in the past two week:
10:14 pitti * some security updates (quite a few not-too-terrible ones are outstanding, will catch up soon)
10:14 pitti * bug fixing
10:14 pitti * cups 1.2 final! yeah!
10:14 pitti * fixed a bunch of packages missing a POT file; together with mvo and Riddell we killed the original list; carlos updated it yesterday, we are almost there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MissingPotFiles
10:15 pitti * bug triage status: At the expense of spending half of my day on Malone every day, I am now in control of my bugs; assigned and +packagebugs (exception: gnome-cups-manager) are all at least looked at, have correct severity, and the low-hanging fruit bugs and most of the really bad ones are fixed
10:15 mdz ogra: it's only that a lot of people ran k3b under sudo
10:15 pitti plan for next week:
10:15 pitti * deal with final bits of POT file generation in packages, coordinate with carlos, build new langpacks tomorrow
10:15 ogra ah
10:15 pitti * start gnome-cups-manager bug triage and fix some which bite many people
10:15 pitti * finally deal with SoC applications (yes, I'm a slacker, sorry)
10:15 JaneW pitti!
10:15 ogra pitti, we could send you pygi :)
10:15 JaneW we have till 22 to finalise those, so we mustn't lag to much...
10:15 pitti ogra: pygi what for?
10:16 mdz pitti: any dapper-targeted bugs on your list?
10:16 ogra pitti, nagging you to do your SoC stuff, he's pretty good in that :)
10:16 pitti mdz: yes, 8 so far
10:16 mdz pitti: all fixable in time for the release?
10:16 pitti mdz: I'll take a look at my bug list again soon and will probably mark some more, but the current list is pretty good, I think
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10:17 seb128 (pitti: thank you for not mentionning me on the POT update task :p)
10:17 pitti mdz: 'Gimp help files are not installed by default' (bug 14597) requires some discussion, the rest should be fine
10:17 Ubugtu Malone bug 14597 in gimp "Gimp help files are not installed by default" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/14597
10:17 pitti seb128: oops, sorry
10:17 seb128 np ;)
10:17 pitti yes, seb128 rocked there
10:18 pitti mdz: oh, bug 23102 is not for dapper, sorry
10:18 Ubugtu Malone bug 23102 in gnome-volume-manager "Enable autoprinter by default" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/23102
10:18 mdz unfortunately there are quite a few bugs with bogus milestones due to random people setting them
10:18 mdz but I try to prune the list from time to time
10:18 mdz I've asked for malone to show in a tooltip who set the milestone, and also to have some access control for changing it
10:19 mdz thanks pitti
10:19 mdz ogra: next?
10:19 ogra * general: doc work, bug triage, linuxtag talk, fixed all non whishlist ltsp bugs, dropped all unused sounds from gcompris binaries (gains 5.5M on the CD)
10:19 ogra * next-week: triage/fix RC bugs, flight 8, final polish (artwork/docs) for edubuntu CDs
10:19 mdz ogra: how was linuxtag for you?
10:19 ogra great
10:20 ogra i'm invited to talk in front of teachers from a district in baden wuertemberg
10:20 ogra (mvo's area)
10:20 sfllaw Stylish!
10:20 ogra they probably want to use edubuntu on several schools there
10:20 mdz about how many people attended the Ubuntu talks?
10:20 ogra marks ~500
10:20 ogra i havent seen raphnik
10:20 ogra mine ~70-80
10:20 ogra Riddell, might know about raphniks
10:21 Riddell he had about the same size audience as ogra did
10:21 dholbach mvo: we had about 120+?
10:21 mvo yeah > 100 I think, the room was pretty filed
10:21 mdz ogra: is the final artwork/docs ready to be uploaded today?
10:21 ogra for me the intresting part was that the people followed me for another 30min afterwards :)
10:21 ogra mdz, yep
10:21 mdz ogra: did they ask for your autograph? ;-)
10:21 dholbach they asked for mine! WHOOO!
10:22 ogra hehe, nope, but a lot ltsp and edubuntu questions :)
10:22 juliux dholbach, and you didnt give me one ;)
10:22 mdz nice
10:22 mdz ogra: thanks
=== mvo hugs dholbach
10:22 mdz mvo: next?
10:22 mvo Did:
10:22 mvo * linuxtag presentation with dholbach
10:22 mvo * bug triage/fixing (lvm2, devmapper, update-manager, unattended-upgrades, gnome-app-install, update-notifier, dist-upgrader, ..)
10:22 mvo * upgrade testing
10:22 mvo * Goggle SoC review
10:22 mvo * 3rd party packages work (for the app-installer)
10:22 mvo Will do:
10:22 mvo * more bugfixing/bug triage
10:22 mvo * help dholbach with the icons
10:22 mvo * setup ppc auto-dist-upgrade (either infinites ppc or dholbachs new but aged g4 ppc machine)
10:23 fabbione mvo: do you want access to mine too?
10:23 fabbione i can slam it somewhere online for you
10:23 mdz mvo: for some reason, awareness of the dist-upgrade feature in update-manager seems to be low still
10:23 mdz mvo: according to elmo there were relatively few downloads of it during the days after beta
10:23 mvo mdz: I can announce it again (maybe on u-d-a?)
10:24 mdz I've also corrected people on -users about the best way to upgrade
10:24 mdz I think that people just don't click through to the upgrade instructions if they have done it before
10:24 mvo fabbione: yeah, lets talk about it after the meeting
10:24 mdz or read the release notes
10:24 fabbione mvo: yup
10:24 mdz mvo: maybe something on the fridge? someone's blog on planet?
10:24 dholbach a blog entry with screenshot might help :)
10:24 dholbach i can do that
10:25 mdz ok, cool
10:25 mvo dholbach: can you do it? that would be lovely
=== mvo should consider getting a log
10:25 dholbach mvo: add it to the list of things to chat about
10:25 mvo blog
10:25 mdz mvo: any bugs found in upgrade testing?
10:25 mvo mdz: no, we look good currently, one issue with nvidia-glx and dpkg-divert needs more investigation
10:25 mdz I hate that package
10:26 infinity Amen.
=== fabbione sighs
10:26 infinity mvo: I seem to recall following up to that bug.
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10:26 mvo and I got some positive feedback from people doing a sucessful upgrade
10:26 mdz add to the edgy list: remove dpkg-divert from dpkg
10:26 fabbione mvo: did you address the main -> universe demotion thingy?
10:26 mvo infinity: yes you did, the ball is in my court
10:26 mvo dpkg 2.0!
10:26 Keybuk mdz: can we remove update-alternatives too?
10:26 mvo fabbione: not yet
10:26 fabbione mvo: ok thanks
10:27 Keybuk mvo: http://multiarch.alioth.debian.org/dpkg2.pdf
10:27 mdz Keybuk: I'd like to, but I think that touches more packages ;-)
10:27 mdz mvo: thanks
10:27 mdz Mithrandir: next?
10:27 Mithrandir misc: flight-7 release, bug triage, booked flights to Paris, SoC application rating
10:27 Mithrandir next week: flight 8 preparation, some popcon fiddling, casper bugfixes, bug triage, Constitution Day (May 17th)
10:27 Mithrandir blocked: no
10:27 mvo Keybuk: cool! will we get it for edgy?
10:28 Mithrandir I'm going to announce the flight 8 freeze on u-d-a this time, probably on Wednesday evening or something.
10:28 JaneW Mithrandir: yes please give ogra at least a day's warning...
10:28 heno Mithrandir: did you get my popcon layout stuff (by email)?
10:28 mdz Mithrandir: do you think we can trim any further unionfs memory usage in casper?
10:28 mdz the kernel module locking is a tricky one
10:28 JaneW mdz: and the flight announcement to go to u-d-a as well this time?
10:28 Mithrandir heno: no, I'm planning to do that and cron popcon today or tomorrow.
10:28 ogra JaneW, he already warned me :)
10:29 JaneW ogra: good :)
10:29 mdz JaneW,Mithrandir: yes, fine...as the sab wishes it
10:29 Mithrandir mdz: I'll have to test a bit, but yes, we should be able to cut it somewhat.
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10:29 mdz I wonder if we should add a low-memory boot option which disables l-r-m
10:29 Mithrandir mdz: I need to see what unionfs thinks about me removing files underneath its feet.
10:29 ogra mdz++
10:30 mdz 19M is a lot of memory
10:30 ogra yep
10:30 Kamion we're 5M down on that
10:30 ogra was a major gain in ltsp to drop it
10:30 Mithrandir heno: that is, I got it, but I haven't done anything about it.
10:30 Kamion if you're including templates.dat-old
10:30 mdz Kamion: I mean l-r-m alone is 19M
10:30 Kamion oh, wow
10:30 mdz yes, nvidia+nvidia_legacy is close to 10
10:31 mdz and I expect very rarely used on the live CD
10:31 pitti mdz: it's just nice for the sake of installing it with ubiquity
10:31 Mithrandir hmm, it'd be sweet if we could use a compressed tmpfs instead of just a regular one, too.
10:31 ogra we should probably also drop xscreensaver-data-gl from the liveCd as well then
10:31 Mithrandir but that's eft material, I think.
10:31 mdz pitti: we don't need the modules in memory for that; they'll be linked on first boot of the real system
10:32 pitti ah, yes
10:32 infinity mdz: capser could write out a temporary /etc/default/l-r-m that disabled nvidia and fglrx linking, so only the networky modules are built.
10:32 mdz thoughts on whether we should drop everything but the wireless driver from l-r-m on the live CD?
10:33 Mithrandir infinity: sure, that'd work.
10:33 mdz that would save us 17M of memory
10:33 mdz and folks who really need them can just run lrm-manager, right?
10:33 Kamion ogra: at the moment we have no mechanism for something to be in desktop (i.e. installed by default on d-i installs) but not on the live CD, and given how ubiquity works I don't think it's wise to try to create one
10:33 ogra Kamion, well, yes, but its probably an option for edgy
10:33 infinity mdz: Erm, if we fiddle with /etc/default/l-r-m, then lrm-manager will also ignore them. But casper could let them link and then unlink them, I guess.
10:33 mdz infinity: indeed
10:34 mdz Mithrandir: could you and infinity brainstorm about that a bit? it's well worth the savings I think
10:34 Mithrandir mdz: sure.
10:34 mdz so long as it's a single command to get them back if the user really wants them, that's easy to document
10:34 mdz Mithrandir: thanks
10:34 mdz Kinnison: next?
10:34 Kamion ogra: no, I don't think it is either, it's a fundamental problem
10:34 Kamion ogra: ubiquity cannot copy it to the installed system if it's not on the live CD
10:35 ogra right
10:35 ogra :/
10:35 Kinnison gnome-power-manager: Lots of bugs dealt with for this, I have another update for later today related to brightness buttons.
10:35 Kinnison distro-other: Tidied an acpi-support issue for toshibas, got new upstream for powernowd done, various other bits of bug investigation etc. Provided fairly simple consultancy on dbus stuff for gnome logout screen.
10:35 mvo Kamion: would it be possible to install it on the target system with apt (or python-apt)?
10:35 Kinnison launchpad: Helped with the multi-libraryfilealias issue a bit more, vaguely attended the soyuz-workup-for-dapper meeting.
10:35 Kinnison ongoing: Some more g-p-m stuff, and continuing with the general bugs today. I only have one day for "next week" because I'll be off work moving house.
10:35 Kinnison bug-status: The bug list isn't shrinking but the growth rate is smaller :-)
10:35 Kinnison request: Will someone please volunteer to take on g-p-m for the week I'm away?
10:35 sladen if lspci gives no ATI/Nvidia PCI IDs, it would seem logical not to build them on that boot
10:36 Kamion mvo: requires network access
10:36 Kamion mvo: which we only really want to do for language packs, imho
10:36 mvo Kamion: agreed
10:37 Kinnison paris: finally heard I'm going to be going as a soyuz representative, need to book flights
10:37 Kinnison [end]
10:37 Kinnison sorry, dunno why that took so long to get through
10:37 mdz Kinnison: do you expect it to need anything more than watching for uber-critical bugs?
=== Kinnison doesn't expect g-p-m to need more than critical fixes, and I don't expect any of those
=== Kinnison just doesn't want people left without the ability to suspend, esp. since we're working to make the logout dialog signal g-p-m to do the work
10:38 pitti Kinnison: we still need to sort out that dbus atconsole bug one way or the other
10:38 pitti I think that's fairly critical
10:38 Kinnison pitti: Yes, but is that not a dbus issue directly?
10:38 mdz that sounded messy to fix for dapper
10:38 pitti Kinnison: well, it is in our ubuntu version
10:38 pitti I doubt that we'll get a dbus solution for dapper
10:38 pitti so we should at least do the 'cooperative' workaround with g-p-m checking the foreground console itself
10:38 Kinnison pitti: can we talk about this after the meeting? I may have time today to engineer a solution into g-p-m
10:39 pitti Kinnison: yes, let's
10:39 Kinnison pitti: cool
10:39 sladen Kinnison: I'll see how the next week goes, and look over the g-p-m bugs with slightly more attention...
10:39 Kinnison sladen: thanks
10:39 mdz ok
10:39 mdz Kinnison: thanks
=== Kinnison will have his cellphone and will endeavour to put his new landline on the wiki as soon as he knows it
10:39 mdz Keybuk: next?
10:39 mvo sladen: ping me in case you need a sponsor
10:40 Keybuk gah, need to unbury my postit
10:40 Keybuk nothing much to report, fixed a whole lot of bugs, had an n-m bug day and got them all filed upstream, decided to drop the iftab-fixing code after all as it was generating more bugs than it closed; we can look at a Debian/SuSE-style fix later. done SoC stuff. done some ftp master stuff.
10:40 mdz Keybuk: any particular bug targets for next week?
10:40 Keybuk I haven't got any particular bugs I need to fix before release
10:41 Keybuk so I'm going to go roaming through Malone looking for some that could use a loving hand
10:41 JaneW SoC evals for you then
10:41 sfllaw JaneW: You're a quick draw.
10:41 mdz Keybuk: "exclude bugs with packages specified" could use a scan for major issues, as we discussed
10:41 Keybuk yup
10:41 mdz JaneW: when is the deadline?
10:41 JaneW sfllaw: desperation breeds it
10:41 Kinnison Keybuk: there may be low-hanging fruit in the powermanagement arena if you want to have a flick through gnome-power-manager acpi-support acpid laptop-mode-tools et al.
10:42 sfllaw 22 May, is it?
10:42 Keybuk JaneW: I did SoC stuff this morning
10:42 mdz horrible timing, that
10:42 JaneW mdz: we need to have selected, ranked, and matched to mentors by 22 May
10:42 JaneW mdz: yes the timing sucks
10:42 mdz JaneW: I can help with the ranking starting next week
10:42 JaneW but after that it should slack off for a week or 2 as things settle in
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10:42 JaneW mdzL great thanks, you can do the final sweep and approve reject round
10:43 mdz ok
10:43 mdz Keybuk: thanks
10:43 JaneW Keybuk: yes I noticed, thanks
10:43 mdz Kamion: next?
=== heno just got the candidates to debate amongst themselves on the mailing list, hoping that the good choices will become clear
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10:43 JaneW heno: that was a good idea
10:44 mdz heno: guerilla selection ;-)
10:44 Kamion ubiquity: Keeping on top of bugs, just about. Worked on manual partitioner correctness, missing features relative to d-i (hw-detect, initramfs-tools setup), keymaps, i18n, memory usage. Still spending a fair bi
10:44 Kamion t of time correcting mistaken duplications/rejections/etc. by triagers. :-(
10:44 Kamion next-week: More of the same. I urgently need to sort out final string changes, and look at UTC/local hardware clock configuration and the remaining crash bugs. Also CD image renaming.
10:44 mdz Kamion: is the infamous LinuxTag ubiquity bug fixed?
10:44 Kamion mdz: LinuxTag the what?
10:44 mdz Kamion: apparently there was a crash during the demo at linuxtag
10:44 ogra Kamion, ask mvo and dholbach :)
10:44 JaneW heno: and helps to find sustained commitment and enthusiasm not just one good write up
10:44 dholbach I couldn't reproduce that at all afterwards.
10:44 Kamion mdz: nobody identified it as such to me
10:44 mdz I believe it was mvo who mentioned it to me
10:45 Kamion mdz: it may well be fixed but I have no idea what it was
10:45 Kamion dholbach: did you get a crash dump?
10:45 mvo Kamion: we had a crash on stage when we demoed ubiquity, but i wasnt able to reproduce it on my home machine (we had it on dholbachs laptop)
10:45 dholbach No, sorry - I just tried to save what was to save.
10:45 Kamion this is the first I've heard of it
10:45 ogra mdz, given that half the world crashed for them it might not even have been an ubiquity bug
10:46 mdz note to all: if ubiquity ever crashes, TELL KAMION
10:46 dholbach I'll watch out for it during my next test installs.
10:46 mvo dholbach: maybe we still have the log?
10:46 Kamion about 80% of crashes are duplicates, but there are still a few new ones appearing
10:46 mvo dholbach: on your machine?
10:46 dholbach mvo: I'll have a look.
10:46 mdz Kamion: duplicates of fixed crashes or remaining ones?
10:46 Kamion mdz: bit of both
10:47 Kamion there's a really WEIRD one to do with partman error handling that I haven't tracked down yet; it's getting a lot of dups
10:47 mdz ok, time
10:47 mdz Kamion: thanks
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10:47 JaneW me next?
10:47 mdz JaneW: yes
10:47 JaneW This week:
10:47 JaneW * Canonical Monthly Report input - long one this month!
10:47 JaneW * Ubuntu Dev Team Meeting report, got eaten up in an OOo crash and all changes vanished. Sorry everyone. I haven't had a chance to redo it, so will merge it with this week's report.
10:47 JaneW * Google SoC, added new SoC info and co-ord page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SummerofCode2006, corresponded with mentors and students re applications, co-ordinated with Google's SoC administrator, reviewed applications and assisted with rankings, and ploughed through SoC ML posts and asked and answered questions as appropriate.
10:47 JaneW * Edubuntu: Set up EC, inducted new council, approved first Edubuntu member and sent out notices. Team meeting to discuss tech progress (looking great thanks ogra!), cookbook progress and what is still required to complete, artwork - nearing completion ogra to package this soon and explicitly show all 3 themes to management for approval.
10:47 JaneW * Assisted with UDS planning, responded to questions and gathered request for sponsorship applications and prepared them for management consideration.
10:47 JaneW * Worked with cbx33 to start a proposal to showcase Edubuntu at BETT 2007
10:47 JaneW To Do in next week:
10:47 Keybuk "UDS" ?
10:47 JaneW * Ubuntu dev team meeting report, asap, to make up for last week's lack of report.
10:47 JaneW * Get all SoC applications properly evaluated by the mentors and ranked. Top 30 to be unique projects and students and assigned to (preferably unique)mentors.
10:47 JaneW * respond to press enquiries re Ubuntu's SoC participation.
10:47 JaneW * Plan UDS further, notify successful and unsuccessful sponsorship applicants of their applications status, contact other invited guests, figure out logistics of how to handle UDS scheduling with Jamesh's 'Schedul-o-matic', co-ord UDS staff arrangements.
10:47 mvo JaneW: did you report the OOo crash to doko :P ?
10:47 JaneW * * Edubuntu: Look at including Chris' Installing Edubuntu Tutorial video, need to get it in .ogg format too. Chase cookbook deadline to make sure we'll have something completed in time, make sure artwork is packaged and completed successfully.
10:48 JaneW * Whatever else comes up.
10:48 JaneW sorry very verbose!
10:48 JaneW Ubuntu dev Summit
10:48 mdz JaneW: speaking of the monthly report, saw some odd stuff in there...mentions of LTSP changes which were surely made months earlier
10:48 dholbach I thought that was UFK now! :-p
10:48 infinity Shouldn't that be "Ubuntu Avec Fromage" or something?
=== ogra still likes UbuntuFrenchKiss :)
10:48 JaneW mvo: I think it was self-caused, and preceded by several FF crashes
10:48 JaneW a reboot fixed it
=== dholbach high-fives ogra
=== ogra high fives back
10:48 sivang infinity: hmmm
10:48 Kinnison UbuntuFrenchLetter
10:48 sivang infinity: sounds yummy
10:49 JaneW mdz: yes the LTSP change was mentioned in beta announcement, but it transpired it was pretty old news, sorry
10:49 ogra mdz, i merged all changes we did in flights for the beta
10:49 mdz JaneW: I'm always happy to review the report input with you before it goes out
10:50 JaneW mdz: yes I think I will do that next time, I was not wanting to bother you, as it was a busy time
10:50 ogra (in the announcement that is)
10:50 mdz JaneW: doesn't take long to scan over it; much less time than when I try to write something
10:50 JaneW mdz: noted
10:50 mdz JaneW: thanks
10:50 mdz iwj: next?
10:51 iwj Last week: firefox bugs, dpkg bugs, gs bugs, other bugs.
10:51 iwj Last week: firefox 1.5.0.3. Frank Shoep's ff themes.
10:51 iwj Next week: more of the same.
10:51 infinity iwj: Doing firefox 1.5.0.3 again next week? :)
10:51 iwj :-P
10:51 mdz iwj: anything notable on the dpkg radar?
10:51 iwj Not really, no.
10:52 iwj infinity: seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if a 1.5.0.4 turned up at the most inconvenient possible moment.
10:52 pitti iwj: do you happen to have any inclination to update tbird to 1.5.0.2?
10:52 mdz iwj: we could use your help in a lot of areas beyond firefox; are there any critical issues remaining there?
10:52 pitti tbird is fairly critical; I can do it myself if nobody else has time, though
10:52 iwj I have a list of 13 bugs that ought to be investigated and probably fixed.
10:53 iwj But I might have a bit of time left over. Anywhere in particular I should direct my attention ?
10:53 mdz iwj: if they are important to fix for dapper, please set a dapper milestone and I wil monitor that list
10:53 infinity pitti: It's on my list, as I have to merge some stuff from asac.
10:53 mdz iwj: sfllaw is the person to speak to regarding bug targets
10:54 infinity pitti: I was waiting for him to get 1.5.0.2 into Debian (which he's done), but the merge is non-trivial, since we're forked currently.
10:54 iwj mdz: sfllaw> Right.
10:54 mdz iwj: it's worth having a conversation and seeing where he needs the most help
10:54 mdz ok
10:54 mdz iwj: thanks
10:54 mdz infinity: next?
10:54 pitti infinity: so maybe we shuold just update our version for now to get the plethora of security fixes?
10:54 infinity last week distro: Been hacking on initramfs-tools (and related: evms, mdadm, lvm) bugs, and when I get stumped there and need a brain refresher, I've context-switched to pulling PHP patches from CVS, fixing random bugs on my list, and doing archive maintenance.
10:54 infinity last week buildd: Did a mass give-back on the failed builds, monitoring those, also going through all the failed logs from a recent -autotest run and starting to categorise and triage those.
10:54 infinity next week distro: Should be uploading a mess of initramfs-tools versions (well, if I do this right, only a few), plus some pending UVF bumps, and the PHP security junk.
10:54 infinity next week buildd: Need to finish going through build failures, make the universe logs available to MOTU, and start another -autotest run.
10:54 infinity general 1: During the last couple of weeks of release crunch, I'm intending to mangle my core hours a bit more than usual to be more available to the Europeans. This will be particularly useful if I end up having to drive launchpad by hand at any point.
10:54 infinity general 2: While it's not strictly my domain as core-dev or a Canonical employee, I'm sick of getting bug reports about segfaults caused by symbol clashes when two MySQL client libs are loaded at the same time. I'd like to transition all of universe to libmysqlclient15 and drop the old ones from the archive, if that's okay.
10:55 dholbach infinity: I can file bugs for that, if you want me to.
10:55 dholbach infinity: the MOTU crowd is happy to work on those bugs.
10:55 infinity dholbach: Sure, but the time it takes to file a bug is about the time it takes to edit debian/control and upload.
10:55 Mithrandir infinity: that's mostly just rebuilding with changed Build-deps, isn't it?
10:56 infinity Mithrandir: Yeah.
10:56 fabbione Mithrandir: most of them yes
10:56 dholbach infinity: i have a massfile script :)
10:56 infinity dholbach: Either way, if you're prefer to hand it to MOTU, go nuts, but I do want to see these bugs fixed.
10:56 infinity Since the symbol clashes affect packages in main, and the bug reports are never well-aimed.
10:56 mdz infinity: can you post the list of build failures to -devel to distribute that task some?
10:56 infinity ("apache crashes, help!" being the most common type of report)
10:57 ogra tell them to use apache2 :P
10:57 infinity mdz: Yeahp, I'll do so when done triaging, so people with more QA time can poke at them.
10:57 infinity ogra: Same problem.
10:57 ogra infinity, i wasnt serious :)
10:57 mdz infinity: thanks
10:57 mdz heno: next?
10:57 heno * kubuntu-winfoss: completed
10:57 heno * example-content: making some changes based on user feedback.
10:57 heno * ubuntu accessibility: I need to devote this week to testing and following up reports. The core AT packages work reliably on my installed system, but people are reporting mixed results on the Live CD. Key applications like Firefox and OpenOffice still have poor AT support (but that's true of every distro). Ubiquity reveals some access info when poked, but doesn't work with the screen reader.
10:57 heno * Other: We have two very promising SoC a11y projects emerging; a new on-screen keyboard and a new magnifier
10:58 mdz heno: silbs noted that you were handling the community-contributed wallpaper to be included in dapper; I remember that being in example-content but it seems to be gone now. does it have a new home?
10:58 Riddell kubuntu-winfoss is lovely, thanks heno
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10:58 JaneW heno: have you managed to find the best proposal for each yet?
10:58 JaneW heno: let me know if you want me to find all the urls for you or something
10:59 dholbach mdz: I was supposed to package that for Universe, but nobody provided me with a list or tarball yet.
10:59 heno mdz: it's no longer in e-c, right. It should be packaged with aubuntu-artwork I guess or separately
10:59 mdz I'm happy for it to go in -artwork; as I recall it was reasonably sized
10:59 heno the art team ws supposed tp pick some. I'll ping them about it
10:59 dholbach Ok.
10:59 Riddell heno: kwwii will be looking at kubuntuifying example-content, I'll need to think about the best way to package that
11:00 mdz Riddell: what sort of content would be kubuntu-specific?
11:00 heno and if they still don't manage I can pick some
11:00 Riddell mdz: not much, just stuff like the presentation slides with kubuntu logo instead of ubuntu
11:00 heno Riddell: OK let me know what comes out of that
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11:01 heno JaneW: there are still 2-3 good candidates for each project
11:01 JaneW heno: ok let them fight it out :)
11:01 mdz Riddell: if it's different enough to be a separate package, it's probably too late; that would need casper integration etc.
11:01 mdz Riddell: but if there's something small we could add to the existing package, that's grand
11:01 Riddell ok, we'll keep it small
11:01 mdz heno: thanks
11:01 mdz fabbione: next?
11:02 fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: no more testing done, hopefully is gold.
11:02 fabbione * X bug squashing: down to ~320 bugs. Don't trust LP bug count. Next is to check one evdev problem that is unclear if it is due to new upstream or user configs mess up. Usual stuff like triaging, bug fixing on going.
11:02 fabbione * last week: X bugs. Started training zakame to go full power on X.
11:02 fabbione * next week: holidays. Any volunteer to keep going on X??? NO??? ladies!!!!
11:02 fabbione * notes: due to some real life events, i am 99.999% sure i will not be in Paris.
11:02 infinity fabbione: What about the evdev build failure on some arches?
11:02 mdz yay for X bug volunteers ;-)
11:02 fabbione infinity: that's in the list
11:03 infinity fabbione: Kay, cool. Thanks.
11:03 mdz fabbione: enjoy the holidays
11:03 fabbione mdz: don't open champagne now.. let see how long he will last :)
11:03 fabbione mdz: thanks
11:03 mdz doko_: next?
11:03 doko_ - openoffice.org: new upload, nothing spectecular, -l10n still problematic on the buildd, no further progress with scim.
11:03 doko_ - java updates: finished, sending status by email.
11:03 doko_ - vnc4: updated, not yet uploaded. vnc (3.x) is in main, but still uses an oldish Xfree86 server for the build.
11:03 doko_ - bug triage: not much progress since last update. assigned RC reports: seven, addressing the license issues today.
11:03 doko_ - next week: Debconf (leaving tomorrow morning)
11:03 sfllaw Oh yeah, I'm going to that too.
11:03 JaneW enjoy mexico
11:03 sfllaw Leaving Saturday morning.
11:03 mdz doko_: did that ooo-build update represent new upstream code? the changelog was a bit unclear
11:03 doko_ fabbione: could need your input on vnc
11:04 doko_ mdz: two patches
11:04 fabbione doko_: to use the new server?
11:04 mdz doko_: ok
11:04 Keybuk doko_: ooo is kinda not building/installable atm, no?
11:04 doko_ fabbione: yes
11:04 fabbione doko_: well i am not sure if i will have the time.. but we can try
11:05 infinity Keybuk: It's building fine, except for the -l10n package, which I'll be looking into shortly.
11:05 doko_ Keybuk: ooo does, ooo-l10n not, doesn't happen in a new chroot
11:05 Keybuk ahh
11:05 Keybuk I did notice that one of the help packages showed up in anastacia
11:05 doko_ will have a look
11:06 mdz doko_: ok, thanks. see you at debconf
11:06 mdz dholbach: next?
11:06 dholbach BugSitutation: HUGDAY next week - Kernel stuff? After LinuxTag and icon stuff went down from 3000 -> 1600 unread desktop-bugs mails, more catching up to do
11:06 dholbach IconSituation: artwork deadline next week, new Human icons, look into xcursors to add, other artwork (wait on Jeff and kwii), possible tangerine split, hack on icon table on the weekend
11:06 dholbach this week (done): icons, bugs, lots of uvf exception processing
11:06 dholbach this week (todo): more bug fixing, gparted update(?)
11:06 dholbach next week: more bug fixing, some unresolved fixes (brltty, scrollkeeper), look into gnome-pilot, cd testing, motu unbuildable packages list(?)
11:07 Kamion dholbach: I'm pretty unsure about the gparted update at this stage
11:07 dholbach Kamion: I understand - I sent a mail to you and Kinnison this morning.
11:07 Kamion dholbach: the fixes that it might bring in seem counterbalanced by the risk of importing a new advanced partitioner three weeks before release
11:07 dholbach Kamion: I'm happy with either decision.
11:07 Kamion dholbach: yeah, read it
11:07 dholbach Ok.
11:07 dholbach I'll communicate that to Bart.
11:07 mdz dholbach: do you have the final artwork (minus beta markings) in hand for when the time comes?
11:07 Kamion can you look for any particular patches we might want, and see if they can reasonably be backported?
11:08 Kamion dholbach: give Bart my apologies as well, he did try and I know we started out on this a bit late
11:08 dholbach mdz: I have to ask Jeff, if there's not a different wallpaper for that.
11:08 dholbach Kamion: I can do that.
11:08 mdz dholbach: gnome-pilot seems like a mess; so many bug reports and few people with relevant hardware
11:08 dholbach mdz: there was a discussion about different gdm circle of friends as well - I'll phone him about that all.
11:08 mdz dholbach: do we really want it in main for dapper?
11:09 dholbach I got in touch with upstream who provided me with a tarball - unfortunately it didn't build
11:09 dholbach mdz: that depends, if we can rip out the functionality out of evolution - seb128?
11:09 Keybuk gnome-pilot is fundamentally broken :)
11:09 seb128 some people use it
11:09 mdz some people try ;-)
11:10 seb128 I'm not that comfortable with dropping it now
11:10 dholbach I don't have necessary hardware as well, I was just glad that I got in contact with upstream people.
11:10 mdz does anyone here use it?
11:10 mdz apparently not ;-)
11:10 dholbach Hum...
11:10 seb128 hehe
11:10 sladen no. pilot-xfer and jpilot when I used to...
11:10 mdz seb128: ok, if you think we're safer keeping it
11:10 Keybuk I've lost every pilot I've ever owned
11:11 Keybuk if we didn't have gnome-pilot, people wouldn't nag me that the /dev/pilot symlink doesn't work :)
11:11 mdz I worry for jbailey if someone needs support with it ;-)
11:11 seb128 mdz: I'm not happy with the software itself, but I think some people use it and we have no better alternative to ship atm
11:11 sladen Keybuk: Bug Between Keyboard and Screen.
11:11 dholbach Seems like we do the update for Edgy. :-/
11:11 seb128 mdz: speaking about support, do you think we can drop "disks-admin" now?
11:12 ogra whee, that'd be great to drop
11:12 mdz seb128: it's broken?
11:12 seb128 mdz: it doesn't do anything useful and is misleading in the way it has buttons supposed to be useful
11:12 mdz seb128: ok, fine with me
11:12 seb128 like you can change the mointpoint for a partition but it's not change fstab
11:13 dholbach grrr g-s-t grrr
11:13 seb128 s/change/changing
11:13 mdz dholbach: want to rewrite it for edgy? ;-)
11:13 Mithrandir seb128: it's useful for the live cd.
11:13 ogra does it still open nautilus with root privileges through the browse button ?
11:13 seb128 and layout get messed with some locales, and we have several bug saying it doesn't list the partition correctly, etc
11:13 dholbach mdz: I'd love to work on that with mvo and seb128.
11:13 seb128 ogra: no, that is fixed, but still...
11:13 seb128 Mithrandir: how so?
11:13 ogra yep
11:14 pitti mdz: we should rather consider making our Google SoC 2005 bounty better and integrating it
11:14 pitti (pysdm)
11:14 mdz dholbach: what artwork are you waiting on?
11:14 Mithrandir seb128: people use it to mount their hard drive.
11:14 seb128 Mithrandir: starting it on my box display a bunch of notify bubble saying some /tmp mounts have low space
11:14 Mithrandir pitti: it's slightly too late to do anything about SoC 2005, isn't it?
11:14 mdz dholbach: I thought the current Ubuntu stuff was final, modulo the beta text (which you added, right?)
11:14 ogra hehe
11:14 dholbach mdz: new icons (more sizes), possible wallpaper/gdm stuff, xcursors I have, not easy to integrate :/
11:14 seb128 Mithrandir: should the liveCD mount detected partitions by default?
11:14 pitti Mithrandir: I don't understand?
11:14 ogra pitti, we have 2006 ;)
11:14 dholbach mdz: I hope it is that way, I can strip that stuff off easily.
11:14 Mithrandir pitti: oh, sorry, I misread.
11:14 imbrandon SoC 2006
11:14 dholbach mdz: I'll have to ask Jeff.
11:15 Mithrandir seb128: so some people argue. There's also an UDU spec for that.
11:15 pitti ogra: so what, the package is there, and the author, too; the package works fine in principle, it could just use some UI polish
11:15 iwj Are we nearly done here ? My laptop is about to run out of juice ...
11:15 ogra pitti, ah, sorry
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11:15 mdz iwj: yes, we are nearly done here. why are you on battery?
11:15 ogra pitti, i thought you proposed a 2006 bounty
11:15 iwj mdz: To avoid having to have breakfast at 0830 :-).
11:15 mdz dholbach: from kwii, you need the final usplash image?
11:15 pitti no, I'm proposing to make use of our finished ounes :)
11:16 dholbach mdz: Yes, that's what Riddell told me.
11:16 mdz dholbach: I think I have that for you (the ubuntu one)
11:16 dholbach mdz: ok cool.
11:16 mdz ok
11:16 mdz dholbach: thanks
11:16 Kamion seb128: it's problematic due to stuff breaking if it automounts hibernated filesystems
11:16 mdz I think we will need to extend this meeting officially to ~90 minutes in the future; there are just too many of us
11:16 Kamion seb128: it should mount Windows partitions, but anything else is painful
11:17 mdz and everyone should get a few minutes if needed
11:17 Kamion was nice while it lasted (60 minutes)
11:17 mdz we're always rushing toward the end
11:17 JaneW mdz: agreed
11:17 mdz any urgent business to discuss?
11:17 seb128 if we do that please move the 4am one early :)
11:17 Kamion but since we can manifestly get it done in less, we should be fascist about keeping it to time again
11:18 Riddell are syncs from debian being processed by ubuntu-archive?
11:18 Kamion Riddell: yes
11:18 infinity Riddell: Yes.
11:18 mvo seb128++
11:18 mdz Kamion: I think with the current team we get an average of 3 minutes apiece, which doesn't seem to be enough
11:18 Kamion not necessarily in FIFO order, but they're being processed
11:18 Kamion mdz: I agree
11:18 Riddell great, I'll wait patiently then
11:18 mdz at any rate, we're done for today; adjourned
11:18 mdz thanks allMeetingLogs/UbuntuDev_2006-05-11 (last edited 2008-08-06 16:38:21 by localhost)