UbuntuDev_2006-06-08
09:56 mdz good morning folks 09:56 sladen x92: just sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop on your server box 09:56 mvo hello mdz! 09:56 mdz everyone here? === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:56 ajmitch hi mdz 09:56 dholbach hello 09:57 siretart hi === infinity [n=adconrad@69.0.240.48] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:57 Mithrandir EHLO 09:57 fabbione morning 09:57 Kamion morning 09:58 Fujitsu -ERR 09:58 pitti hello 09:58 x92 sladen: okay.. downloading ;) === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:58 mdz Keybuk,seb128,doko,heno,infinity,sfllaw,BenC,ogra,iwj,Riddell: ping 09:58 iwj Hello. 09:58 dholbach mdz: seb128 is on holidays. 09:58 sfllaw mdz: Pong. 09:58 mdz dholbach: oh, yes 09:59 doko mdz: pong 09:59 mdz JaneW: anyone other than seb128 not expected? 10:00 JaneW mdz: not afaik === bheung [n=brian@c-67-169-157-51.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:00 mdz dholbach: could you ring ogra? 10:00 dholbach mdz: i will do that 10:01 mdz Kamion: could you try riddell and keybuk? 10:02 Kamion ok 10:02 mdz SMSed Ben 10:03 mdz Kamion: oh, heno is in your calling radius as well 10:03 Kamion Keybuk's phone is ringing ... and ringing ... and ringing 10:03 dholbach I left a message on ogra's mobile. 10:03 mdz the UK has one of the most reasonable times for this particular meeting, ironically 10:04 Kamion I think Keybuk was up late driving edgy 10:04 Mithrandir Scott logged off at around ~0300 last night, so he could well be sleeping. 10:04 Mithrandir (0300 his local time) 10:04 infinity Yeah, Scott was up late wrangling the opening of edgy with me. 10:04 mdz dholbach: care to start us off? 10:05 dholbach this week (done): gnome 2.14 updates to dapper-updates, bugtriage, general catching up 10:05 dholbach this week (todo): gnome 2.15 and merging, more bug triage, writing specs 10:05 dholbach next week: gnome 2.15 and merging, more bug triage 10:05 mdz dholbach: how are you doing on your specs for paris? 10:05 Kamion left messages for Keybuk and Riddell; phoning heno === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:05 dholbach mdz: starting off and have some plans with Michael - but not much progress yet 10:06 Kamion heno will be with us shortly 10:06 mdz everyone should have a substantial number of specs (say 5-8) for Paris by the end of the week (i.e. tomorrow) 10:07 mdz if you're short of ideas, please talk to me sooner rather than later :-) 10:07 mvo should we try to limit ourself to 5-8? or is it ok to have ... more :) ? 10:07 mdz mvo: more is always fine, though it's not clear how many it will be possible to schedule 10:07 Mithrandir would it be possible to get a bunch of the old spec suggestions removed too? 10:07 mdz Mithrandir: removed from where? 10:07 Mithrandir the spec tracker in LP 10:08 Mithrandir there are some there which are bogus 10:08 mdz I don't think so 10:08 mdz the idea is that we should only need to pay attention to specs which are targeted for a release or a meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:08 mdz and that the list of all specs will be a swamp 10:08 mdz but feel free to mail launchpad with suggestions === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:09 heno sorry for being late 10:09 Keybuk mdz: re e-mail, I had deliberately left one spec not added to the meeting, because I think it's edgy+1 10:09 mdz dholbach: are you confident about meeting that target? === Casanova [n=prash@unaffiliated/casanova] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:09 dholbach mdz: I'll get cracking on it with full speed 10:10 mdz ok 10:10 mdz thanks dholbach 10:10 mdz doko: next? === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.200.176] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:11 doko - this week (monday bank holidy) 10:11 doko - toolchain updates for edgy 10:11 doko - openoffice.org: preparing 2.0.2 l10n packages for dapper, rosetta discussions with carlos, preparing 2.0.3 for edgy, builds for amd64 again (no java, gtk crashes, must be gtk bug). 10:11 doko - SoC bug 10:11 doko - need to do: specs, SoC 10:12 mdz doko: 2.0.2 l10n packages? 10:12 mdz hmm 10:12 pitti doko: erm, we don't have bank holidays in .de :) (that was Pentecost) 10:12 fabbione * doko has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <- 10:12 mdz indeed 10:12 mdz we'll come back to him when he reconnects 10:12 mdz fabbione: you're up 10:12 fabbione * sparc: working on t1000. Got it installed yesterday and helping davem to get his box up for full speed d 10:12 fabbione ebugging. got access to the 4 core Niagara today. 10:12 fabbione * specs: most of the specs i will be working are leftovers from dapper. Need to remove dust from them. Unl 10:12 fabbione ikely to have them all ready by deadline. 10:12 fabbione * ubuntu-cluster: updated ocfs2 and working on GFS2 userland (kernel is already done) while waiting for sp 10:13 fabbione arcs to reboot or build kernels.. 10:13 fabbione * last week: release, release party, drunk, drunk.. more drunk.. more drunkness.. fun.. profit, sparc, spa 10:13 fabbione rc64, more profit.. 10:13 fabbione * next week: sparc till dapper release. === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-065-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:13 Kamion fabbione: hand over some of the profit 10:13 mdz fabbione: since you'll be working on your specs remotely and not at the meeting, the deadline is not as critical. the sparc work is more important of course 10:13 fabbione Kamion: ehehe 10:14 doko sorry, daily disconnect from my provider 10:14 fabbione mdz: yeps.. i will still be coordinating with jbailey, neuralis and infinity. 10:14 fabbione mdz: they will be my gw for some of the specs 10:14 mdz fabbione: for your specs, just target them to dapper rather than adding to Paris 10:14 mdz fabbione: unless you really need us to talk about them without you 10:14 Mithrandir s/dapper/edgy/, I guess? 10:14 infinity s/dapper/edgy/? 10:14 fabbione mdz: some of them are shared, like cluster, server and mubuntu 10:14 mdz yes, edgy 10:15 fabbione mdz: people can still talk.. i will find a way to be "there" === Keybuk hands fabbione a headset 10:15 fabbione Keybuk: i have one ;) 10:15 fabbione theoretically.. 10:15 fabbione anyway 10:15 fabbione mdz: will do as much as possible.. sparc first === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:16 mdz fabbione: if they aren't proposed for Paris by the deadline it will be problematic to schedule them; if they really need to be discussed there then ask the people who will be there to help get them entered so you can continue on sparc 10:16 doko fabbione: you did mention this week some sparc toolchain issues? 10:17 fabbione mdz: ok will do. 10:17 mdz fabbione: thanks 10:17 fabbione doko: let's take this on -toolchain 10:17 fabbione mdz: thanks to you 10:17 mdz doko: now that you're back...you mentioned about 2.0.2 l10n for dapper? I thought dapper already had 2.0.2 l10n === jsgotangco [n=jerome@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:18 mdz doko: disconnected again? 10:18 doko mdz; it has, but including the import from rosetta, there are some conversion problems, and currently a build problem, because we do not scale with the number of language packs 10:19 mdz doko: 2.0.2-2ubuntu5 seemed to build 10:20 doko mdz: -ubuntu12 not yet 10:20 doko 2.0.2-2ubuntu5 doesn't have the updates from rosetta 10:20 mdz doko: is -l10n actually any different between ubuntu5 and ubuntu12? 10:20 mdz I see 10:21 mdz doko: what is "SoC bug'? 10:21 doko mdz: hrm, nothing, just the to do line :-/ 10:22 mdz doko: meaning SoC mentoring? what is the 'bug'? 10:22 JaneW doko: you can;t call SoC a bug! :P 10:23 G0SUB lol 10:23 doko mdz: sorry, please ignore that line 10:23 mdz ...ok 10:23 mdz heno: next? 10:23 heno * Websites: gave ubuntu.com a minor facelift and tidying up 10:23 heno * Accessibility: working on lots of new specs, SoC, website section, support section in the forums. We are starting to see a trickle of users now trying it out and seeking 10:24 heno support 10:24 mdz heno: are you more or less finished proposing specs for paris, or have more planned? 10:24 heno all done :) 10:24 mdz ok, great 10:25 heno I realise there were quite a few this time 10:25 mdz heno: did you receive the email I CCed you on regarding the forums (from sounder I think(? 10:25 heno yes, there are social and technical aspects 10:25 heno with the technical being fairly easy 10:26 heno coordinating tabs and such 10:26 mdz we seem to have one forums person in paris 10:26 mdz not necessarily someone who deals with the infrastructure, though; they say they are a moderator 10:26 JaneW yes Roald Hopman 10:26 heno I have a good communication with the forum staff on the social level as well though, so I can help there 10:27 mdz we should slot in at least one discussion about how to encourage more crossover between the forums and other parts of the community 10:27 mdz heno: could you register a spec to ensure that goes on the agenda? 10:27 heno mdz: yes 10:27 mdz thanks 10:27 mdz infinity: next? 10:28 infinity last week: lots of tete-a-tete with soyuz folk about correctly closing dapper, and getting edgy open. Also got dapper-updates (soyuz) and dapper-security (dak) live and mostly happy. 10:28 infinity this week: opening edgy with a full toolchain bootstrap, then letting open the floodgates for building everything else uploaded, then catching up on some less critical security backlog. 10:28 silbs mdz: one of the reasons to get forum people in Paris was to discuss forums governance. Mark and I have talked about this with Ryan Troy in the past, just tryingt omove things forward. Do you need a spec registered for that? 10:28 mdz silbs: I suppose we can schedule things manually, but putting in a spec is the best way to ensure that it won't be overlooked (and it'd be a good idea to write up the outcome anyway, provide a means for people to subscribe to participate, etc.) 10:29 mdz infinity: specs for Paris? 10:29 infinity mdz: What if there's nothing other than "run the infrastructure nearly full time and maintain my pet packages" that really interests me? 10:30 infinity mdz: I'll poke neuralis about some ubuntu-server spec stuff, though. 10:30 mdz infinity: if you'll be around after the meeting, let's talk about it 10:30 infinity Since I intend to still own that. === infinity nods. 10:30 infinity Do let's. 10:30 mdz ok, thanks 10:30 infinity I'm here all night making sure edgy opens. 10:30 mdz iwj: next? === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-165-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:31 iwj last week: release testing. firefox themes. chasing ancient dpkg bug with >=2 cargo cult wrong fixes (46530 etc.) 10:31 iwj this week: firefox 1.5.0.4. investigating breezy ff security options. Thinking about edgy; I hadn't realised the target was 5-8 specs; I'll take a more shallow approach. 10:31 iwj todo: investigate some ff 1.5.0.4 for breezy-security. Firm up, write up and register some of these spec ideas. When will the decisions about prioritisation be taken ? 10:31 mdz infinity: it can't be night for you; it's night for me ;-) 10:31 Kamion iwj: prioritisation> next week 10:31 infinity mdz: It'll be night when I'm done. :) 10:31 Kamion iwj: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-June/000145.html 10:31 mdz iwj: for the deadline, all you need are abstracts for discussion topics 10:32 iwj Right. But if I really want to push something I need to beef up the rationale ASAP. 10:32 mdz iwj: in edgy, please merge the human firefox theme as default; once it's been tested in edgy, sabdfl wants it backported to dapper 10:33 iwj mdz: That will mean having a different firefox in dapper-updates and dapper-security. 10:33 mdz iwj: or merging the change into -security 10:33 iwj Indeed. 10:34 iwj I'm not sure how our users would feel about us doing a theme update in -security. 10:34 mdz I expect that we have few if any desktop users who use -security without -updates, to be honest 10:34 Kamion by sabdfl's own definitions, doing that in -security would be wrong ;-) 10:34 mdz and almost as few non-desktop users 10:35 Fujitsu I'm both a server and desktop user, and I always have both :) 10:35 mdz Kamion: I did discuss it with him in fact 10:35 Kamion 18:30 < sabdfl> - enable -security only (very stable, only security updates) 10:35 mdz Kamion: what was the context there? 10:35 Kamion -security vs. -security+-updates vs. -security+-updates+-proposed-updates 10:35 Kamion #launchpad yesterday 10:36 mdz we've routinely merged non-security bugfixes into -security to avoid duplicating work 10:36 pitti not that often, but indeed we did === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:36 pitti but only for small critical bug fixes without impact on the UI === vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:36 mdz anyway, thanks iwj 10:36 mdz iwj: you'll be around after the meeting as well, yes? 10:36 iwj Just to be clear: 10:36 iwj mdz: yes 10:37 iwj I don't really think this is a very good idea, but obviously I don't want to argue with sabdfl. So AIUI I'm instructed to push the theme change into -security ? 10:37 pitti iwj: but let's do the initial 1.5.0.4 update ASAP, without the theme change for now 10:38 mdz pitti++ 10:38 iwj pitti: Absolutely. 10:38 iwj In fact, it was uploaded earlier during the meeting. 10:38 mdz iwj: you're welcome to roll a security+theme package for -updates, but keeping that up over 5 years sounds uninteresting 10:39 iwj doorbell 10:39 mdz ok 10:39 mdz JaneW: next? 10:39 iwj back 10:39 infinity TBH, firefox enjoys a rather lax security policy ANYWAY, so one more change in -security isn't likely to make people take notice in the least. 10:39 JaneW Did: 10:39 JaneW -SoC: Admin tasks, final mapping of students to mentors, communicating between students and mentors, and google, looking for a SoC admin replacement, any volunteers??? (doko?) 10:39 JaneW -Mailing Lists: catching up on back log and unsubscribing from those no longer relevant. 10:39 JaneW -Edubuntu: Attended last EC meeting, and appointed 2 new Edubuntu Members, Edubuntu 6.06 released and is doing great on the distrowatch charts - thanks to ogra. Have been handing over my Edbuntu Admin tasks as appropriate. 10:39 JaneW -UDS Paris: Invited sponsored guests. Communicated with all guests to facilitate bookings and preferences, prepared spreadsheets and handed these to clan to take over. 10:39 JaneW - Have been really knocked by flu and a sinus infection this week. 10:39 JaneW To Do: 10:39 JaneW -Finalising everything. This is my last week :( 10:39 JaneW -Assisting with LP spec registering and Edubuntu as required etc. 10:39 JaneW Please let me know if I need to do anything for anyone? 10:39 JaneW mdz: how do you want this meeting recorded for instance? 10:39 JaneW Finally: Thanks to everyone for the most fantastic opportunity, it has been an honor and privileged to have worked with you all! 10:40 Kamion thanks for everything 10:40 Keybuk JaneW: thank you! === jsgotangco claps for JaneW === pitti gives JaneW a big hug and thanks her 10:40 Keybuk JaneW: for everything you've done 10:40 mdz JaneW: a brief summary for the weekly newsletter and a link to the log would be great === Fujitsu applauds JaneW. 10:40 doko JaneW: thanks! 10:40 Kamion any volunteers for meeting secretary in the future? 10:40 dholbach yeah, thank you very much, JaneW 10:40 Fujitsu Where are you going? :( 10:40 JaneW mdz: right, thanks === mvo gives JaneW a big hug and wishes her all the best 10:40 JaneW thanks everyone. 10:41 doko JaneW: well, it would be nice to have you as some kind of backup for the SoC work 10:41 JaneW and drink Amarula in Paris! 10:41 Mithrandir JaneW: where would we get that from when you're not coming? 10:41 JaneW doko: I think we can arrange that, I'd like to stay in touch with it anyway 10:41 JaneW Mithrandir: duty free ;) 10:41 mdz JaneW: we'll miss you and your Amarula both ;-) 10:42 fabbione JaneW: take lady.. 10:42 fabbione and if you need anything.. you know where the godfather is 10:42 mdz heno: could you take over summarizing our meetings for the newsletter starting next week? 10:43 heno mdz: yes, should be fine 10:43 mdz JaneW: apart from that and SoC, is there anything else on your list which hasn't been handed off yet? 10:44 mdz heno: great, thanks 10:44 doko JaneW: as long as nobody volunteers, I'm going to do that (at least you already did start briefing ;-P) 10:45 JaneW mdz: not really besides some UDS stuff, and the specs etc, the edubuntu team has been great at volunteering 10:45 mdz JaneW: claire n. should be handling the remainder of the summit planning, yes? 10:45 JaneW mdz: and the meeting reminders etc... bt it is on the fridge, so it's pretty bot-like 10:45 JaneW mdz: yes except for the stuff silbs has asked me to do 10:45 mdz JaneW: the stuff silbs asked you to do, is doable by the end of the week? 10:45 JaneW mdz: also there's the e-mail I receive I will handle it and/or forward it as appropriate as it comes in 10:46 JaneW mdz: I did remove my address as the reference on the various wiki pages I had added it to 10:46 mdz JaneW: are you feeling any better? 10:46 JaneW mdz: I hope so yes, I just read the message properly this morning, I am not sure I understand the team speak requirement, but am going to try to find out... 10:46 mdz JaneW: if you could forward me a copy, that'd be appreciated 10:47 JaneW mdz: I get a bit better during the day, but at night and in the morning I feel really rotten. I really hope the worst is over now . Thanks. 10:47 mdz I've developed sinus infections as a complication of cold/flu before, no fun 10:48 mdz thanks JaneW, and all the best === Khalid [n=chatzill@82-167-30-27.odsplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:48 mdz Kamion: next? 10:48 Kamion misc: Huge amounts of bugmail, mostly Ubiquity. Preparing specs for Paris (done five, pondering revive-tasksel); ubiquity-advanced-partitioner prompted by aforementioned flood of bugmail. Various dapper-updates uploads, more to come. Will start on the big d-i merge today, probably (blocked on merging packaging toolchain). 10:49 Kamion migration-assistance: (This is my student's GSoC project.) I've seen an initial code drop and done a design and minimal code review on it; basic approach is mostly sound and I'm happy with his progress so far. 10:49 Kamion next-week: On holiday. 10:49 JaneW Kamion: enjoy your holiday - is it not your anniversary then (or soon?) === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:49 fabbione Kamion: am i still allowed to SMS you if we get the sparc bugs fixed? 10:50 fabbione Kamion: i am sure i can handle up to testing cdimages.. but for final release i think i will need your 31337 sk1775 10:50 Kamion JaneW: couple of months, this is just a random holidday 10:50 Kamion fabbione: I will be nowhere near a computer 10:50 fabbione Kamion: ok.. have fun1 10:50 Mithrandir fabbione: I can do releases for you. 10:50 fabbione Mithrandir: on releases.ubuntu.com ? 10:51 Kamion I can run Mithrandir through what needs to happen; it's a bit weird and will need manual assistance 10:51 Mithrandir that's just a mirror of lithium. 10:51 Kamion the scripts will get a few things wrong 10:51 mdz Kamion: if you can do a dry run with Mithrandir before you go, that'd be good 10:51 fabbione Kamion, Mithrandir: up to you two.. i can't even be 100% sure evything will be fixed 10:51 Kamion will do 10:51 Kamion um, we need to discuss other things, but #ubuntu-devel after the meeting 10:51 mdz ok, thanks 10:52 mdz Keybuk: next? 10:52 Kamion fabbione: (SMS is fine, BTW, as long as you don't demand an answer within the hour :-)) 10:52 Keybuk (this week) MoM: Working on a new source grabbing method for mom, instead of relying on external morgues. Currently finding all sources that I can for the backlog. 10:52 Keybuk (this week) edgy: Prepared new udev, module-init-tools and usplash packages. 10:52 Keybuk (this week) dapper: Fixed the pcmcia-cs utils bug harder *ahem* 10:52 Keybuk (next week) specs: finish off spec drafts and get them on the wiki 10:52 Keybuk (next week) edgy: Fix upstream's also-broken udev device enumeration 10:52 fabbione Kamion: don't worry.. i expect you to have fun :) not to be ready for me :) 10:53 mdz Keybuk: how much luck are you having finding the missing sources? 10:53 Keybuk mdz: I'm using several different archives; won't know what the hit/miss rate is until it's finished though 10:53 Keybuk hopefully it'll be good enough 10:54 mdz Keybuk: do we have a plan for the future so that we're sure to keep copies of what we need? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:54 mdz or is that tbd in paris? 10:54 Keybuk mdz: my plan for the future is that Launchpad should do it 10:54 infinity The future plan is to import sid into LP. 10:55 mdz that's unlikely to start happening before the merge starts 10:55 mdz unless you know something I don't 10:55 siretart infinity: do you plan to have chroots on the buildds for sid? 10:55 infinity siretart: No, we're not BUILDING sid, we'll be importing a read-only copy. 10:56 siretart I was rather thinking about personal package archives 10:56 Keybuk mdz: you didn't specify the constraint for "future" :p 10:56 mdz Keybuk: "edgy" 10:56 Keybuk mdz: edgy plans are to use the scripts I've written 10:56 Keybuk they basically keep our own equivalent of snapshot.dn 10:56 Keybuk but without history we don't need or binaries 10:56 mdz ok, so once we've filled in the gaps, they should give us what we need going forward 10:57 Keybuk yeah 10:57 mdz wfm 10:57 mdz Keybuk: thanks 10:57 mdz Mithrandir: next? 10:57 Mithrandir misc: post-release cleanups, thinking and writing up specs for Eft. Public holiday, getting started on SoC mentoring 10:57 Mithrandir next week: more spec preparation, get my space bar fixed so I stop losing spaces, start uploading syncs again, more SoC mentoring 10:58 mdz Mithrandir: are you confident about getting 5-8 specs in for Paris by the end of the week? 10:59 Mithrandir yes === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:59 pitti Mithrandir: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! 10:59 mdz OH 10:59 Mithrandir I'm picking some off your suggestions list as well as drawing from a bunch of my own too. 10:59 Mithrandir pitti: thanks. :-) 10:59 mdz happy birthday indeed === dholbach hugs Mithrandir! === mvo hugs Mithrandir === sfllaw hugs Mithrandir. 10:59 mdz doko just had one as well === ogra hugs Mithrandir 11:00 mdz and elmo! === ogra hugs as well :) 11:00 dholbach doko: HAPPY BIRTHDAY - when is the party? :-) === dholbach hugs doko 11:00 mdz goodness, we need to get these on the fridge calendar ;-) 11:00 pitti doko: happy belated birthday!! 11:00 Mithrandir thanks everybody. === mvo hugs doko 11:00 ogra mdz++ :) 11:00 doko thank you :) 11:00 sfllaw mdz: Yes, we should. === sfllaw hugs doko. 11:01 mdz Mithrandir: ok, thanks 11:01 mdz mvo: next? 11:01 mvo Did: 11:01 mvo (monday Pentecost) 11:01 mvo - some 3rd party packages work/review 11:01 mvo - SoC/spec work 11:01 mvo - apt work (ddtp) 11:01 mvo - smart work (apt-channel-sync) 11:01 mvo - bug triage 11:01 mvo Will do: 11:01 mvo - preparing specs for paris (including resurrecting some dapper ones) 11:01 mvo - more 3rd party app work 11:02 mdz mvo: do you have enough spec ideas to occupy you in Paris? 11:02 mdz if not I have all sorts of ideas for you :-) 11:02 mvo mdz: yes, I'm confident in this :) 11:02 mvo (both that you have enough ideas for both of us and that I will be able to have enough specs) 11:02 mdz mvo: there seem to be at least two things being called 3rd party now 11:03 mvo ? 11:03 mdz our vendor-oriented repositories, and the install-packages-via-browser magic 11:03 mvo oh, ok. "3rd party packages" means for me review/mail for the vendor repository 11:03 mdz which wasabi has been talking about 11:04 mdz one of them should be renamed to avoid confusion 11:04 mvo ok 11:04 mdz you and he can fight it out ;-) === mvo wins 11:04 mdz his is apt-third-party I think 11:04 mdz mvo: thanks 11:04 mdz ogra: next? 11:04 ogra * general: preparing a fix for missing cursors in edubuntu-artwork, discussing specs, preparing the merge of debians ltsp branch, packing g-s-s 2.14.2, SoC (willow spec changes) 11:04 ogra g 11:04 ogra * next-week: initial packaging of ltsp manager, more ltsp work (lots of changes in debian), preparing for paris, finishing spec writing and selecting edubuntu and ltsp specs 11:06 mdz ogra: ltsp manager? is that the gui configurator? 11:06 ogra yep 11:06 ogra it has also a spec, so i can work "officially" on it :) 11:06 mdz ogra: are you going to tackle the dhcp configuration issue and/or local devices for edgy? 11:07 ogra local dev is my highs priority indeed 11:07 ogra and the dhcp conf issue is at least solved for new installs in my local branch (in the udeb) 11:07 ogra *highest 11:07 mdz ogra: ok, if any further discussion is needed about dhcp, please get it on the agenda for paris. if you'd like to send me a diff to review, I'll look over it 11:08 ogra ok, first i need to get the debian changes in 11:08 mdz I think the best approach would be for that file to stop being a conffile in dhcp3 11:08 ogra the branch is pretty mixed up 11:08 ogra thats the minimal requirement, yes 11:08 mdz ok, thanks 11:08 iwj ogra: Have you seen any more reports about that ip address exhaustion problem ? 11:08 mdz pitti: next? 11:09 ogra another thing is when and how to generate it in "not new" installs 11:09 pitti done last week: 11:09 pitti * piled up a huge number of security updates; staged since *-security wasn't working until this morning 11:09 pitti * fixed a few major bugs in dapper-updates 11:09 pitti * set up automatic daily langpack updates for hoary, breezy, and dapper 11:09 pitti * initial design discussion with my SoC student 11:09 pitti plan for remainder of this week/next week: 11:09 pitti * finish my amber wrapper to generate USN templates that are actually usable, to greatly reduce the time I spend for creating them (currently in progress) 11:09 pitti * release the currently pending security updates 11:09 ogra iwj, only one 11:09 pitti * deal with the next round of security updates (firefox, tbird, mozilla, mysql, kernel), discuss solution for Mozilla&friends with upstream and other vendors 11:09 pitti * find some time to think about Edgy specs until tomorrow; most likely I won't find time for 5-8, since security takes a lot of my time, and AutomatedProblemReports is a huge spec that I'd like to concentrate on 11:09 mdz pitti: dapper-security is working now? 11:09 pitti mdz: at least jackass uploads; I didn't try to release something 11:09 pitti mdz: packages with translation tarballs are still broken, though 11:09 mdz pitti: are we still getting a significant amount of ongoing new translations for hoary and breezy? 11:10 pitti since katie doesn't eat the raw-translations changes items 11:10 iwj ogra: Hmm. I do still think there's something wrong with dhcpd there but at least it's not hugely serious. Do let me know if it becomes more prominent on your radar. 11:10 pitti mdz: yes, since all dapper translations which are valid for hoary and breezy will be updated there as well 11:10 mdz pitti: don't many/most packages have translation tarballs? 11:10 ogra iwj, will do 11:10 ogra iwj, thanks for pointing 11:10 pitti mdz: acutally not, about 400 in main 11:10 pitti mdz: and most of the UI stuff is not particularly vulnerability-prone 11:11 mdz pitti: do you have a tentative date for uploading the first translation updates for dapper? === shenki [n=shenki@ppp163-218.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:11 pitti mdz: carlos and I agreed to update translations on first Monday every month 11:11 pitti mdz: does that sound fine to you? 11:11 pitti so, July 3 11:11 mdz pitti: that's fine with me; jordi proposed doing the first update earlier though 11:12 pitti works for me 11:12 mdz did you discuss with him? 11:12 Riddell mdz: I'm awake now, sorry for being late 11:12 pitti the packages are generated daily, we just need to upload whenever we want 11:12 pitti mdz: I'll talk with jordi 11:12 ogra Riddell, seems to be a derivative desease, i was late as well :) 11:12 pitti mdz: June 14 sounds like a good date then 11:12 mdz pitti: did we already send something to -announce about translation updates from rosetta? 11:13 pitti mdz: I will do the announcement once I can do a thorough test of the hoary and breezy updates and have the dates settled 11:14 mdz pitti: ok 11:14 mdz silbs: might we want to do a press release about the fact that we will now be doing periodic translation updates for Ubuntu from Rosetta? 11:15 mdz pitti: we need to keep you busy somehow in Paris; do you need help getting specs registered? 11:16 pitti mdz: oh, I'll have plenty to do :) I plan to discuss several ffox/oo.o/langpack related things with Carlos, talk with Till Kampetter about printing stuff, and grab some people for AutomatedProblemReports 11:16 mdz pitti: it's a good idea to register your planned meetings as specs, that way they go on the agenda 11:16 pitti mdz: but I'll find some time today to review the specs and at least be drafter for some of them 11:16 mdz pitti: (and you will have time to document the outcome) 11:17 pitti right 11:17 pitti mdz: are you fine with me inviting Till Kampetter for a day? he lives in Paris 11:17 pitti mdz: he's the Mandriva print guru, and he wanted to exchange some ideas with me 11:17 mdz pitti: I think it's too late to get accomodation, but of course he is welcome to come by for the session itself 11:17 pitti he doesn't need accomodation 11:18 pitti he'll just be there for a few hours, I guess 11:18 mdz that's fine, it's open to the public. he should register on /Attendees though 11:18 pitti since our print infrastructure could need a huge hunk of love, I think it's a good idea 11:18 pitti alright 11:18 mdz thanks pitti 11:18 mdz Riddell: next? 11:18 Riddell done: 11:18 Riddell - e-mail catchup 11:18 Riddell - spec writing 11:18 Riddell - edgy package update preparation http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates 11:18 Riddell - making sure all SoC students are alive and with specs 11:18 ogra pitti, i'd like to have kdeedu langpacks (in case we cant drop it from edubuntu) to reduce the cd size, can we discuss that in paris ? 11:18 Riddell - Discussing Rosetta with KDE translators 11:18 Riddell - dapper-updates 11:18 Riddell next week: 11:18 Riddell - finish off pre-summit specs 11:18 Riddell - KDE 3.5.3 edgy packaging 11:18 pitti ogra: sure, should become a small spec 11:19 Riddell - meeting with KDE reps to discuss summit plans 11:19 mdz Riddell: you have a bunch of specs registered; do you expect to divide that work between yourself and some KDE folks? 11:20 Riddell mdz: me, KDE folk and the other kubuntu people who are coming 11:20 mdz Riddell: I commented on the status whiteboard of one of your proposed specs and asked for it to be reorganized a bit; hopefully launchpad emailed you? 11:20 ogra pitti, it will be included in the "edubuntu CD diet" spec (which has some other topics as well) 11:20 Riddell mdz: yes got that, will change that spec around today 11:20 mdz Riddell: how many SoC projects are you mentoring? 11:21 Riddell mdz: three 11:21 ogra phew 11:21 mdz Riddell: seems like a lot, make sure you budget time to help them 11:21 mdz in terms of your personal spec workload 11:22 Riddell sure 11:22 mdz Riddell: what do you plan for dapper-updates? 11:22 Riddell mdz: just the ones that have been uploaded, plus the openoffice amd64 stuff with doko 11:23 mdz Riddell: ok, I approved qt-x11-free earlier today 11:23 mdz Riddell: when is the meeting with KDE? 11:23 Riddell monday (european) evening 11:24 Riddell I need to warn them about the 9 o'clock starts === doko remembers that we'll need an ia32-libs-gtk update to include libgail* ... 11:24 mdz ok, please ping me when it's starting so I can at least listen in 11:24 Riddell mdz: sure 11:24 mdz Riddell: thanks 11:24 mdz sfllaw: next? 11:24 sfllaw Done: Bug triage, release party, SoC mentoring, setup ability to work in the Montreal office. 11:24 sfllaw Todo: Bug triage, training people for ubuntu-qa, spec writing, SoC mentoring. 11:24 sfllaw . 11:24 sfllaw STATISTICS 11:24 sfllaw ========== 11:24 sfllaw Since Dapper's release... 11:24 sfllaw Unconfirmed and unassigned bugs of severity >= normal: 1581 -> 2086 11:24 sfllaw Needs Info bugs: 1450 -> 1651 11:24 sfllaw Dapper bugs: 64 -> 76 11:24 sfllaw Bugs without packages: 1079 -> 1303 11:24 sfllaw Bugs closed: 6696 (This number seems wrong, considering what https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs said yesterday, which was about 5000 less.) 11:25 mdz sfllaw: does that represent a large spike in bug activity, or normal firehose action? 11:25 sfllaw What do you mean by "that"? 11:25 sfllaw The numbers overall? 11:25 mdz sfllaw: the deltas 11:25 Kamion sfllaw: bugs closed> does that take dups into account? 11:26 sfllaw Kamion: I'm unsure. bradb would be the best person to answer that. 11:26 sfllaw mdz: We have a huge spike in bug activity, caused by Dapper's release. 11:26 mdz sfllaw: the inconsistency might have something to do with that malone bugfix which went in recently, correcting the numbers vs. query results 11:26 sfllaw mdz: Fair enough. Sane numbers should reappear next week, then. 11:26 mdz bug 33882 11:26 Ubugtu Malone bug 33882 in malone "Critical bugs are listed as 8 in the side bar, but there actually aren't any" [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33882 11:26 sfllaw In any event, the bug flow seems to have doubled after you made that release announcement. === bheung [n=brian@c-67-169-157-51.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 11:27 mdz sfllaw: from what you've seen, are there many valid/confirmable bug reports or mostly dupes/noise? 11:28 sfllaw A lot of both. 11:28 dholbach from what I've seen, I'd say 60% dupes/noise and 40% valid bugs (desktop-bugs) 11:28 doko sfllaw: more statistics: ubuntu > 4500 hits on distrowatch, kubuntu and xubuntu on rang 4 and 5 (7 day statistics), edubuntu on rang 23 (ogra, go ;-) 11:28 ogra YAY ! 11:28 sfllaw dholbach: That sounds about right. 11:29 mdz doko: indeed, distrowatch is very sensitive to new releases and other big news ;-) 11:29 sfllaw Lots of people hit bugs in ubiquity, that I've been hesitant to collapse into dupes. 11:29 mdz qualitative feedback about dapper so far seems to be very positive, though 11:29 sfllaw I agree. 11:29 mdz congratulations to all of you on that success 11:29 ogra mdz, dont take our illusions ! 11:29 ogra (about distrowatch) 11:29 sfllaw Lots of people have weird configurations which didn't show up in Release Candidate stages. 11:29 mdz we're getting great press and user feedback 11:29 Kamion sfllaw: I'm happy to (and indeed prefer) to do most of that, but see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity for the easy cases that can be done by others 11:29 sfllaw Thanks. 11:30 mdz sfllaw: we need to figure out how to get those folks testing pre-release 11:30 Kamion sfllaw: ubiquity is about 80% dupes or weird-shit. :-( 11:30 sfllaw It's psychological, I think. 11:30 sfllaw Kamion: We need their logs before we can sort into dupes. 11:30 Kamion sfllaw: right, I have cut-and-paste text for that ... 11:30 sfllaw Yeah, so do I. :( 11:31 mdz anyone heard from BenC? 11:32 mdz out of time 11:32 mdz thanks all, and good time-of-day 11:32 sfllaw Thanks. 11:32 fabbione mdz: thanks, good night 11:32 sfllaw Zzz. 11:32 dholbach thanks - sleep tight 11:33 heno sfllaw: I think people are more likely to test Live CDs pre-release, so better ways of getting debugging info from those would help 11:33 ogra heno, but that wont show you the upgrade probs with weird configs ... 11:33 heno ogra: true 11:33 Kamion heno: we only really started to get decent ubiquity crash reporting going around beta 2, unfortunately 11:33 Kamion I regret not doing that earlier 11:34 ogra i had a guy who obviously had poked around in his /etc/login.defs and couldnt log without getting a ton of errors for example ... === vincent__ [n=vincent@85.69.101.147] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] 11:36 pitti bye everyone
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